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Hello Members,

Matthias Kallweit from ITBOX.COM.HR Scammed me for (630 USD + 945 USD).  Let me explain the whole story here...

While searching for Dice Game Software Providers on internet, i landed on bitbox.site and contacted them at contact@itbox.com.hr on 23 december 2016.

A person named Matthias(Not sure if this is his original name) replied within few minutes and gave me the demo login details of bitbox.site

Since that site doesn't have good features, i replied saying i am not happy with the features and i would require a custom software with more advanced features.  He replied saying, he can develop a custom version for additional cost.  Since then, we were discussing over email about the features and finally they gave me quote of 2100 USD to develop a custom version(On 30 December 2016). They were willing to give me 10 percent discount if i pay bitcoins and i agreed.  

Please see the screenshot below:

https://image.ibb.co/gcYprF/screenshot1.jpg (https://ibb.co/mXU7dv)


While i took time to arrange the funds, i came across moneypot version and asked them if they can do a moneypot version.  Initially they refused indirectly saying, it is not worth it. Later they asked me if i am ready to buy both the version (both moneypot version and their version). I agreed and they said they can develop a customized moneypot version for 1710 USD. They also provide me a demo of moneypotversion which is Luckycrypto.com (They said luckycrypto is one of their clients).

Note: The whois information is updated on all their websites between March 5 to March 8 2017 including luckycrypto.

Please see the screenshot below:

https://image.ibb.co/gUntJv/screenshot2.jpg (https://ibb.co/j369rF)



I never agreed for that price.  Immediately they reduced the price to 700 USD.  I should have become alert by seeing this itself.  But my bad time, i believed them.  

Please see the screenshot below:

https://image.ibb.co/dm6EQa/screenshot3.jpg (https://ibb.co/cs5Vyv)


Please find the invoice below:

http://image.ibb.co/c4mQWF/Invoice_Moneypot.jpg (http://ibb.co/mS3iJv)



Please find the payment proof below:

https://i.imgur.com/bE3rj29.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/commercial-photography)

For security reasons, i have not attached the contract here.  If the contract copy is required, i can show it in PM.  He was suppose to deliver the moneypot version on 5th March 2017.  But before he could finish the money pot version, he was very curious to start the next project.  He said he has to allocate the dates with his developers and hence he was pushing me to start the next project soon.  I should have waited until they delivered the moneypot version.  But again i have done a stupid thing.  Just few days before the delivery date of moneypot version, i went ahead with the second project and also paid.  

Please find the screenshot below:

http://image.ibb.co/mi8Tka/screenshot5.jpg (http://ibb.co/hjxcdv)


Please find the invoice for the main version below:

http://image.ibb.co/du6sBF/Invoice_Main_Version.jpg (http://ibb.co/nAeCBF)


Initially he asked me to pay the full amount in advance.  But i paid only 50 percent in advance.  

Please find the payment proof below:

http://image.ibb.co/icV2BF/screenshot6.jpg (http://ibb.co/f3Bndv)


After the payment, he replied acknowledging the receipt of payment. That was the last email and after that no response at all...

Please find the attached screenshot below:

http://image.ibb.co/n6xzrF/screenshot7.jpg (http://ibb.co/cSFkWF)



They are not the actual developers.  Some developers might have developed the software to them and they were selling it i think.  Since they were unable to give technical support and customize it, they decided to close the shop and run away.  But still they tried to get money from many people as much as possible.  Once a particular amount was received, they escaped.  I think many of them paid between feb 25 2017 to march 2 2017.  Until every one paid, they were responding to all and once every one paid them, they ditched every one.


If any one in this forum stays in germany, please visit their address and check if they really had an office there.

I request every one who got ditched by them to post a reply here...

Yes, I can confirm this. All the info they provided seems to be fake. The VAT on the invoice is not valid. This leads to the fact that this was all preplanned.

True.. Planned Cheating

All fake

now their website is also not working.. 

They are trying to erase their traces :(
@bitcoinplay_xyz is online right now!
I'm sure he has a lot to read :)

Yes they deleted all the traces.  is @bitcoinplay_xyz online now?  Hope he reads everything... 

Tagged.

I'm not sure why nobody posted the profile link in this thread or I have missed it; anyhow, here it is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=726116

he is not online.. he is offline

It was.
I sent him a message with "congratulations"
He deserve it :)

did he respond?

Never!

it is our badluck

If that's the case, someone from that group/individual programmer(s) must prove that they aren't the ones doing this. They should clear and reveal the person to whom they work for this script. Furthermore, AFAIK most custom scripts made are only offered to one license or end user which means, it is clear that they breach the contract specifically the rule of reselling.

Hi, may I know why LuckyCrypto.com is marked as a scam here?

I recently purchased this site from the previous owner. I was made aware the site was originally created by bitbox devs and I almost got scammed by them too when I contacted them to get some work done on the site.

But I am in no way affiliated with these guys, nor is LuckyCrypto at this point. I don't know if the previous owner(s) were affiliated with them or not but I am not a scammer and as far as I can tell the previous owners of the site are not scammers either.

Please take LuckyCrypto off this thread as we are not related to them in any way.

True...

For moneypot version, they gave me luckycrypto as a the demo.  It is obvious that it belongs to them.  Moreover the whois and other information was changed on the same day for luckycrypto and their other sites.  I received your pm.  Ill reply to your PM with more details asap...

I purchased this site from IronMarvel2, you can see the auction thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783707.0

I offered to BIN the site privately via private message, Ironmarvel2 can prove it if you ask him

ill wait for your pm so we can discuss further, or go and pm ironmarvel2 about it and he can prove that he sold the site to me, I have the blockchain transaction and everything to back it up!

I saw the auction thread and there was stated that the new owner wants to remain anonymous.
Now you become less anonymous :)
How is working the website?  I mean regarding the tech part? Any issues?  The integration with MP is ok?

So ironmarvel belongs to itbox scam?  Might be this can be even a drama made by the IT box.  Just to make people believe that luckycrypto belongs to some one else, they might have created this darama.  Anyway i am not sure about this.  We shall discuss in PM.  Since i am a new account holder here, i have restrictions to reply the pms. I am allowed to reply only 5 pm per hour.  But to my surprise there are many pms.  Ill reply asap and we shall discuss...


Still its dubious. 

yes i originally wanted to stay "anonymous" until I am ready to do a good relaunch of the site with some new features and updates. I would've done so on this same account, I just did not want to make any new postings until things were ready with a promotion and everything to go along with it.

But with this thread popping up and the luckycrypto name being smeared over it I could not wait but voice my concern here.

The site originally seemed to work fine. Even now it seems to be running ok, except for the chat which seems to have stopped working.

I really wish OP would remove the luckycrypto name from the topic. If there's any other ways for me to prove i am not affiliated before or ever with the bitbox.site devs please advise.

I just sent you a pm with all the explanation...

I replied to your PM.

It seems like the only thing that you find to be linking luckycrypto to bitbox is the WHOIS change.

I need to see this WHOIS record change and which date you saw the WHOIS info change.

Because I changed the domain WHOIS shortly after I purchased the website, domain was pushed to my account on my namecheap account.

Please provide the WHOIS records you are basing your accusation on publicly here, no need to PM. Your PM are taking too long to resolve this problem for me.

addition: I also contacted ironmarvel2 to chime in here but so far he has not replied to my PMs or any of these threads.

When i checked the whois records for itbox.com.hr, bobit.site and your site site, all the records showed the recent change was on 8 March 2017.  If you are not related to bitbox, how is it possible to have the who is updated on the same day.  After i opened this thread, again on 10th the whois records were changed (Just to erase the evidence).  Unfortunately i didn't save the screenshot..

Anyway please post all the proofs here to prove that you don't belong to the bitbox team.  I mean all your communication history and the blockchain transaction proof of the payment you sent to purchase the site.  Also post whatever proofs you may have...

Must be a terrible coincidence that the domain whois history changed but i canst seem to find any public record of the history, it may be likely these records aren't even 100% accurate. Plus the domain since it was in my possession was using namecheap's whois privacy service.

anyway in this post i will provide all the proof i can including PMs between me and ironmarvel. i am happy to give any moderator or admin who has access to verify the legitimacy of these PM's if need to.

Screenshot of the message chain between ironmarvel and myself https://i.imgur.com/0Pl7KHM.png

In this screenshot is the payment address provided by ironmarvel: https://i.imgur.com/pwo2iSU.png

This would be the transaction I sent to him https://blockchain.info/tx/17d63f1c17629bf1ae2cbbd1720f8f9b0a186c43d9a22c5510be03b5dd005b02

Ironmarvel and his partner transferred the digitalocean droplet image to my account for me to restore on my own server. Domain was pushed to my namecheap account.

I did not do anything with the site ever since i purchased unfortunately due to lack of time. I was instructed by ironmarvel to contact the bitbox devs for additional customizations, which I did. I added them on skype and they quoted me something like $400 for some work. I did not go through with it at the time because I was busy and thought I'd do it later on.

I have not heard form ironmarvel or his partner since either. I reached out to ironmarvel a few days ago and yesterday and notified him of this thread. He has not replied to my PMs.

Thanks for your clarification and explanation.  Ill remove the name luckycrypto asap.  Regarding the whois, yes all the network of sites used whois privacy protection and i was unable to see the actual details.  But it was showing the message "last updated on 2017-03-8" on all their network of sites including luckycrypto.  Now for luckycrypto i see this message "last updated on 2017-03-11".  Hope i clarified you...

I wasn't online for a few days and Iam still following up on what exactly happend here.
Just want to make clear, that Iam or luckycrypto or topiOleg is not related to bitbox.
The script was custom made for us by bitbox and thats it. The whole process is documented by several persons involved. Including minerjones who held escrow for the funds.

So you mean that bitbox developed luckycrypto for you and you sold it to topiOleg?  Do you have a proof that bitbox only developed the script for you?  topiOlege proved that he purchased the site from you and he paid you.  He also showed the required proofs here.  Do you have any proof to show that you have hired bitbox to develop the script for you?

Yes, I have proof.
I have sent you a pm.
I will post it public as soon everybody involved gives the ok for it.

Also contacted minerjones to vouch for the escrow job.


Edit: Here is the screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/g8tSF

Hi to all,
today i get the qoute from ironmarvel about this thread so i also can give some infos about this maybe.

Ironmarvel2 and me was the owner team behind luckycrypto, we had the dream to build our own dicer and we contact bitcoinplay_xyz about this on 11.01.17
They show us there live Demo about there dicer and we was like to order a custom moneyot version only made for us from that dice.

After some talk about our request list we get a Deal for it so we choose minerjones as escrow service and send him the money for this.
We talk with them about splitted payment after serveral step will be done, this also the last payment after there work was done minerjoney do for us.

After we get some problem in our first Raffle, i was on a journey and ironmarvel contact them and they made some more edit also charge again for it again and again... Then ironmarvel2 and i was talking together about time investment in LC and after our first raffle it was a clear think for us that we dont can offer so much time for it that they need.

Support, Improvments, Marketing, Advertising.... and and and so we both have other job in RL also Online this was a part time project for us. We both decide to sell LC again because we cant push it to the place we was like to see it with the time we can invest there. Ironmarvel start the auction and we sold the hole LC to topiOleg.

We get in contact per skype with him, and we transfer the droplet also the domain to topiOleg around the 12.02.17 why the whois was changed now i cant tell you. Also i told him how he can use the script also what bitbox can do for him maybe and that they charge any little edit again and again...

Anything ive writen here i can provide a screenshot or other details for it so if anyone think he need this screenshot or infos send me a PM with your reason why i should share personal detail with you and ill answer you asap.

Greetings
Jon

thanks for replying here ironmarvel2 and darkjon

Youre welcome, because we had made the deal with you about the luckycrypto site.

Ironmarvel2 and my relationship to bitbox was a customer / seller one we dont have any other contact to them or had talk with them again after selling LC.
It is (was ?) a Croatia Firm with a "second" Address here in Germany that is all i know about this firm, also we chat multible time over Skype.

Our Luck maybe, we had worked with a escrow service on this deal so they was needed to make work to get any funds...

Thank you for the clear explanation and clarification...



Thank you for the explanation Jones.  So in future, if i do some transaction here, can you do the escrow for me as well?

is there any progress with this scam?

no.. lost is lost

you also lost money?

yes