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Run up like crazy.

Dash  but with no bad start and added features..

As far as I can tell it is a dash clone except:

1 - No bad start
2 - All proof of stake, no POW, earn money with master node OR staking wallets. No minimum amount to stake a wallet however the smaller amount the longer/smaller the rewards
3 - Behind in development compared to Dash, ie, the 10% treasury system is not currently working in PIVX
4 - Still a bit buggy in my experience so far

Maybe really good in the future, but, its not there yet so to invest in it you would have to trust that the developers working on it are proficient, hard working and in for the long haul.

In addition/correction to the above, PIVX had a 6 month PoW period but it's ended last summer.

And it has a unique (afaik at least) system in which any masternode owner can create and vote on proposals the dev team so far always followed.

It also has a unique seesaw mechanic which balances masternode and staking rewards and zerocoin protocol is on the way.

And its emission rate is getting cut rapidly:


We're at block 561594 at the time of writing.

The coin had a lot of issues, especially with forks in the past but that's long gone and the coin is pretty stable.

is it also 1000 units for a masternode collateral?

10.000, that's currently ~1,61 BTC.

It is working on adding in Zerocoin protocol so it will basically be like having Dash private send combined with a coin reminting feature too

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Here you go.

Clones never do well long term. Who cares about fair, Dash is the first and always will be. And Dash is shit anyway.

Dash is kinda a clone of of Bitcoin, so not the first first ;)

I agree though, they will need to find a way to be different.

PIVX is different from DASH just as much as DASH is different from Bitcoin.

Just because once it started with Dash code it doesn't make it its competition.

Clones do well if the original didn't get it right. PIVX improves upon dash in some ways and most importantly the distribution was not as obviously unfair.

Consider bytecoin and xmr. Clones can do much better in some cases

I didnt know bytecoin was before monero!

learn something new every day.

Yeah it's PIVX is improved version of DASH and have something more that the original one is not offering right now. I think this coin has good future will be more worthy in future.

yeah this is a typical trend in the altcoin, when a coin get attention, its clone get attention too, and they have higher chance to be pumped, also you will see more and more newbie dev that run for making a clone of dash, just look at the altcoin announcement, i see already two dash clone one is scrypt algo

yes that's why pivX is different. It is not a simple dash clone. It takes some ideas from dash and is improving them.

It also does not have a scam start holding it back. I think if they can complete what they have planned it will exceed dash eventually.

PIVX is cooking with gas right now.

Community just passed 650 on Slack. Everyone is welcome. The team is very helpful with support, you can get involved in marketing, web, or other community functions. Also a number of multi-language channels and random channels like trading, etc. You can join here: http://slack.pivx.org/.

Development team has proven in both updates and governance they have the ability to take this platform to the next level. Libzerocoin will introduce unparalleled privacy features. Staking/masternode rewards are reaching low-inflation levels, so supply of coin is decreasing.

Also community seems pretty committed (which is why there is small sell-side supply). People are holding.

I like Dash, I have Dash and made a lot of money with Dash, but Dash is not sustainable. Too centralized; instamined unescapable controversy.

PIVX has taken what is good from Dash added fair launch; and is now adding brand new features, and a new core code that will boost anonymity like crazy.

Also, just lost a lot on ShadowCash. Example of how developers who do not know what they are doing can destroy a coin. From what I can see PIVX development team is highly, highly engaged with community, and supportive/collaborating with all members.

My take is PIVX will soon either be added by Poloniex, or start being used on dark markets.

It is going to be a very unique pos anon coin if the devs come through with all their plans.  The scope for pivX just keeps garnering more and more interest from many parties. I wonder how large the contributor team is on this now?

Considering Polo added way shittier coins, I'd be surprised if they wouldn't add it.

lets hope some exchange will add it that has working servers... takes 5 mins for the graphs to load on bittrex.

For you maybe, Bittrex is, and always was pretty fast for me. Otherwise I wouldn't use it.

How close it PIVX to implementing zero knowledge protocol? Many have tried. :)

Though did I read that some of the people were involved with Librex coin, which had been looking into zero knowledge for years?
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/librexcoin/

though my memory could be playing tricks on me.

Does PIVX have an advanced coin mixing mechanism compared to DASH (which is obsolete nowadays)?
Since DASH effectively gave up anon transactions and goes into the paypal direction, whats PIVX's stand on this?

AFAIK they are using coinjoin (same as dash), but are migrating to zerocoin, which is far better privacy than coinjoin. According to the roadmap they are applying zerocoin protocal to all transactions which is better than what zerocash is offering. Not sure if any staking system avoids centralization over time, but it's better start than its predecessor.

This is a good point. It is not a super easy thing to implement. There have been a few failed attempts in the past. Furthermore, the only successful attempt that I know of (ZCoin) had a bug that was exploited.

Although it was quickly fixed, the exploiter made off with approximately $776,900 worth of ZCoins. "A total of 388450 XZC were created from this bug." ZCoin was worth around $2 at the time of the exploit.

https://zcoin.io/language/en/zcoins-zerocoin-bug-explained-in-detail/

if the situations is like yesterday, i am sure pivx will be increase more higher because i see in bittrex, there are so active trading and i see there are many movement in buy and sell order and it gets dump and pump in many times and now the price is around in 0.0003x btc soon it will be 0.0004x if its possible gets another pump.

Try 0.004 ;)

400% in a weekend is just scratching the surface--the market cap is still TINY.  Poloneix will pick this up soon and then the bull run will REALLY get started.

Whenever I read this coins name to myself its sounds like PI VROX......ie Pirates!!! lol

How can you say the market cap is tiny? Its 20million down from 40m. Big cap projects like Steem are only 40m. Even if this has a future its run up too quickly and will need a correction. My hunch is it will shit its pants down to 10m or less.

It was never 40M - cmc should always take the price of the highest volume exchange not the highest price it is down from 42k to 38k

These coins should be judged on the tech for tech. On that basis of that why is 20M not tiny compared to 700M. Of course nobody is saying steem does not deserve higher or lower but again the start is questionable for steem. The fairness of the initial distribution can not be stated enough.

However I agree the rise is steep and I would expect corrections along the way. I wonder if polo doesn't add it if bittrex will start getting a lot of custom back based on polo trollbox where many are asking for it and you can bet many that are not saying on troll box want it there.

That's the funny thing about these coins. People can switch between them very quickly. First mover advantage will count for a lot but if there is a lot of question marks against the first mover or if the tech is proven more useful for way cheaper then unless you are btc (for now) you need to look out.

Sorry but I smell this is about to implode, seen it too many times not to recognise it. The rise was on pure hype, completely undeserved. Its almost a shitcoin if you look at it with objective eyes. It could return to 1-2m and be forgotten about in a month.

Dash is a shitcoin, so your logic is a fail. I bought some PIVX just for fun and to show dashtards that an instamine is a no go when all things are equal (or slightly better).

I  Thought zerocoin was the bunk implementation and that zcash was what got it right, so why use zerocoin again? Is it a joke or a typo that pivx uses zerocoin?

yeah but its a shitcoin that was first to market on anominity which is everything. Plus its taken a few years to get to its recent inflated price. PVIX does it overnight...yeah ok mate.

You've only been here 5 mins.

When you time something with any kind of accuracy instead of reams of misinformation then perhaps I can take you and your opinions more seriously.

Having said that any coin here can crash and be forgotten about with a few exceptions.

I notice you're not a dash fan and call that a pile of shit. I hear skilled devs say the same thing so if you guys are right on both accounts then fair enough - time will tell.

I know from experience not being on these rises is very frustrating. I cashed out a little too much at between 15 and 20 so I want a correction as much as the next person. Recently though these rises are not correcting.

People who have been here a lot longer than you are probably awaiting polo listing. After that then we will see.

Which coins in your opinion have well deserved rises? are there any? which coins do you own which are not to you shitcoins?

But as we have shown you first to market with your brand of anon does not mean everything. Look at bytecoin to xmr.

We have also told you that perceived unfairness plays a big part in dash's persona.

You seem fond of these words everything and never. I think this is where you are going wrong.

They can be factors but so can your image of being fair.

I mean if they were both 770M today then it may look like pivX got there rather quickly. But we are talking magnitudes less, it is 20m.

Fairness to you is not important and is a vague abstract concept as you said before in the other thread that vanished. Many others have their own more tangible and defined ideas of what fairness is and it matters to them. Recent polls show that is a critical issue for dash.

Look dickface I've been around crypto since 2011. PVIX is done for now, any small child can see that. I'll give you a clue to where the next big thing is even to help your disabled ass. BITSEND   I bought in two days ago and already eating gold ass. Now piss off.

A shitcoin is a shitcoin is a shitcoin. And if first means best/last/end in the your conception of privacy, you need to read up on the history of cryptography as it works in the exact opposite direction (with the caveat that a pen and paper burnt after memorization is as good as it currently gets, but hardly applicable to a discussion on cryptocurrencies or technologically based cryptography).

My next offer of assistance is to not use foul language and keep swearing. Make your points clearly and with some kind of coherent argument not rantings based upon inaccurate statements.

Off course you have been around since 2011...

I'll make my points however I want thanks, be it logic, intuition or black magic spells!


BTW I'm literally watching on my screen PIVX crater as I expected while BITSEND is just starting to rev up from a low market cap. Want proof i'm right?...use your eyes.

"Attention span is the amount of time a person (or animal) can concentrate on something without becoming distracted. The attention span of a squirrel is one second. The attention span of a squirrel focusing on an acorn is 4 minutes, a huge increase!"

OR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgOdMSIAH1Q

I'll take black magic over provably incorrect assumptions.

Nobody refuted your point it was probably due a correction. I agreed with you on that point if you read back.

 I simply disagreed with you when you stretched too far with assumptions on clones have no chance, that it is even a full clone and that it sunk from 40M to 20M market cap.

I don't think anyone would say a correction is not possible after 5x-10x increase.

Bitsend - not looked at it so can't say.

Zerocoin is on the list of things to implement in 2017.

See PIVX road map here: https://pivx.org/what-is-pivx/roadmap/

Interesting that there are almost half as many nodes as dash in such a short time--seems like dash laid the groundwork on educating people on how to stake as investment, but PIVX is teaching us that you don't need to put all those eggs in one basket via an instamine.

I'm also a big PIVX believer.  Really poised to explode.

I believe this was the darknet coin. Honestly,  this coin is one that will make it big or fizzle. Dash is quite expensive for beginners so it should attract a strong market as exposure to crypto expands. I remember my XMR being worth under a dollar and then suddenly it skyrocketed.  Looking at PIVX, it has strong community,  although developers are staying anonymous. I bought it at around 5 cents and it is up from last week.

Clones still so successful, it's crazy

It's not actually a clone though really is it there are very marked differences and will be very different come the end of the year if their plans are successful.

If it were just a total copy and paste with no further development then that would be still better than dash if it had a fair start.

Not just a clone.  Reposting from page 2:

https://pivx.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/PIVX-INFOGRAPH-2.jpg

Zerocoin is a protocol and not an implementation.

(There was also a cryptocurrency called Zerocoin, but that's not what we're talking about now.)

What are the places or steps to get this coin and or masternodes? Hell, main website link for such info

Newbie to coin lurking

PIVX.org is the main website and also has a great and helpful community.  There's a free wallet to download for use there that you can use for staking and what not (this video walks through setting up your wallet for staking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMp5J1Cazno

Here's a list of exchanges to get PIVX at: https://pivx.org/exchanges/

Everything look fake about this coin, even the pump.

I think if you take the time to look deeper, you'll see a much improved DASH that's far more communal and decentralized.  What you're calling a "pump" is more of a grass roots movement.

Of course, you're welcome to actually try and dispute any of the above with actual facts or specific examples.

*You'll see that its PLANNED to be a much improved Dash that is more communal and decentralized with a fair launch, provided the dev team can acomplish what they are setting out to do.


They still have a bit (lot) of programming to do before it IS a much improved Dash, IMO.

So... what do you guys think?? Is PIVX a good investment or is it just one of the first experiments and sooner or later we will be seeing an even better clone?

IMO if you believe the dev team has the ability to make the wish list into reality its a good coin

If you don't have faith in the dev team then the coin in its current state is basically worthless (the treasury and privacy systems dont currently work for example)

I cant tell you how good the dev team is, that you will need to research for yourself. If you have any programming skills you can start this research on their github.

6 months mining then POS = Scam

Conjoin not anon

Why wait implementation of Zerocoin when we can directly buy Zerocoin

I dont agree with the first statement, the initial proof of work stage was done to get the coins for people to be able to stake in the first place. There are other ways to do this (air drop for example) but I believe the way they chose is perfectly legitimate.

I partially agree with your second statement, but there are a number of other differences that may cause people to prefer PIVX over Zerocoin ideologically.

How is that cratering working out for you? At about the time this guy posted that PIVX was "cratering" it went from about 43k down to about 29k. Since then it has gone as high as almost 97k in 3 days.

In fact, PIVX has had 2 other such "cratering" events, one just less than an hour ago when the book was bought down from 95k to 50k. What was the result? It's now trading at 80k with decent support.

It's obvious that this Fatoshi guy is a child who has interests in other alt coins and sees PIVX as a threat to them since PIVX is getting so much increase in price.

Enough about this troll. The thing about this coin that fascinates me is that there are walls set up to prevent the price from spiking. The strange thing is that these keep going higher and higher, enough so that the price increases in multiples in just days. Someone is baby sitting this coin so that there is a controlled increase with support.

Oops, price now up to 83k after the recent "cratering".

The DASH $ is scared.

And rightfully so.

Any news on that?

PIVX is a Dash clone (with the illusion that Dash was ever PoW, exchanged for the reality that blocked funded masternodes are a PoS scheme) with a claim to a more honest launch. Same old crappy masternode and broken InstantX technology, but for some reason our ecosystem seems to believe in that shit "governance". They have some hype about they will improve the anonymity tech, but probably a false promise. I think many people just want to see it succeed so Dash fails. Any way, I can't buy it because I don't have a verified Bittrex account (I only trade of Poloniex) and I don't want the hassle (not for the small amount I am trading and also I need to work on my project not mess around with many trading accounts).

Why support a clone that never brings anything of value new to the industry?

https://s1.postimg.org/cs7fif31b/why-tezos.jpg

and the crowdsale hasn't started yet

This is my second time bumping with this Tezos thing. Seems interesting and better than those coins compared. I don't think they have an official bct thread yet?

Even devs doing their PR and compare it with DASH, so for me it is a clone of DASH, but I support it and stake some coins, I like their enthusiasm.

People still believing in anonymity online. How stupid can you be ? The only way for you to be more anonymous with crypto is by having tens of coins and wallets, and transact with all of them. This goes for anything online, you can only make it difficult to track you, you will never ever EVER by anonymous

zerocoin implementation in progress? Bitcoin can say that. Any coin can say that. Dont mean shit. Especially when there are several others with nit already. Stop future-ing!

 A fork of Dash, Private Instant Verified Transaction (PIVX) is popular for its proposal for Community Designed Governance (CDG). PIVX suggests that all wallet owners should be able to participate in the decision-making processes rather than depending only on Masternode owners.

PIVX has moved a step further with its recent wallet update which enables voting directly from wallets, even though such voting ability, for now, still remains an exclusive privilege of Masternode owners (MNOs).

The full article: https://coinidol.com/who-should-decide-on-the-blockchain/