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So, here's the post I just made on their thread. I don't think such sites should be allowed to be promoted here. Its truly disgusting and unfair to end users who risk their money only to find out a site can just take away their winnings like that, claiming "fradulent abusive and betting practices". I didn't see them accusing me of such shit and refunding me when I was losing money last month. Now that I'm winning, they just steal my winnings away.




okay I think eBettle.com just stole 550mbtc from me. I started using the 3 ultraplay sites about 2 months ago, and today I suddenly found myself locked out of my eBettle account with a message asking me to contact customer support. I sent them an email and this is the reply I received:


I logged in and after receiving that email and saw that my 2 latest pending withdrawals were cancelled and 550mbtc deducted from my account. I had a lucky streak the past couple of days and was looking forward to withdraw some winnings and this is what I get. I think it's clear that eBettle doesn't allow winners on their site.

https://i.imgur.com/IwIRSlp.png

I have absolutely no idea what they mean by fradulent abusive and betting practices so I replied asking them to clarify what they mean. Am awaiting their reply and will update here when they do. STAY AWAY for now!

So vitalbet steals 840mbtc from me next. That makes a total of 1.34 BTC. This time they're accusing me of multi-account fraud. I've only ever opened one account on each site.


I've replied asking for this bullshit evidence they have. Am waiting to see what they're going to cook up, or probably not respond at all.

https://i.imgur.com/gFi2keP.png

That, and I have 385mbtc in my balance. So 840mbtc stolen from vitalbet.

I know eBettle doesn't have any ANN thread around here but the ultraplay guys have one here. I'm also registered on 3 sportsbook that uses ultraplay's software (being ebettle as one of them)  but they haven't closed any of my account, it's kinda shady of them to not state the specific thing you did wrong and only mentioned the rules since you're the victim here. Anyways thanks to this warning i'll make sure to warn others who uses eBettle.

I'm betting they won't even reply to my emails anymore. I suggest anyone who still have money on eBettle or vitalbet to withdraw and stay away until this gets resolved. Who knows how many more such cases there are. There is absolutely nothing the end user can do if emails are not being responded to.

Betcoin limited my bets to single digit amounts and allowed me to withdraw all my winnings. While that's the same as saying they don't accept winning players, it sure as hell is a lot more respectable than outright stealing money and accusing the user of fraud/abuse.

Such a good idea to let us know about the issue. honestly never heard that site before ..
So for me that site is not safe if you are gamble in that site.. if you are investing or deposit a large amount of bitcoin . better to try contact the support until its resolve.. 
Those now well known gambling site i always stay away from i am just staying if what is trending gambling casino here which is very active here with signature campaign or directbet that even they dont have signature campaign their are active here in gambling section.

Yup. it's been hours and not a single word from these shady cunts. They obviously don't have a single shred of evidence that they claim to have.

How do I get the admins/mods from this forum to actually close their thread and label them scammers? I think it's starting to get obvious. This is the "evidence" they gave me...

The latest reply I got from eBettle is as follows:


My reply:


Since I only have one account at eBettle and vitalbet, I assume they are making all these shit up, or are closing accounts and stealing money from other winners and accusing them of the same crap. STAY AWAY from vitalbet.com and ebettle.com. I don't even understand why I would need to have more than 1 account when I already have 3 accounts (one on each site - vitalbet, ebettle, betcoin).

Hi!
The very same thing happened to me with their other site - Betnow1 They stealed 1247 euro, quoting the same 9.7 rule.


So, I am frustrated and do not know what to do now. Maybe it`s possible to sue them?

well if you have the resources to sue, please do haha. I can provide you with the proof you need from my side. I'm sure there are others out there too. I highly doubt we'll get our money back and there's nothing we can do really. Let's just try to spread the word so others don't get scammed.

Maybe I`ll try something after they pay out my initial deposit...

I haven't made a request for my remaining funds because that would probably mean I accept their terms and they'll likely close my account right away.

Another response from eBettle, again, more bullshit without proof or evidence. Still nothing from Vitalbet.


and my response:


So now you can't talk about games if you're going to bet on sports, WTF? This is beyond ridiculous. If this isn't enough to prove that ebettle is a scam site then I don't know what is.

Obviously they are sure you were arbing (I think in my case they think this either). But arbing is not a crime and they can not put it in the rules, cause arbing is caused by their own odds, so they are making up these bullshit...

Well I don't arb. I don't even think it's possible with the odds they provide. I just talk to my friends about games, like any bettor would. It's nice betting on the same team rather than against your own friends (although that happens too).

Here is mine: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3368021-scam-vitalbet-holding-back-winnings-4-months.html

And here are few other ones:
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3360637-vitalbet-com-closed-my-account-after-payout-request.html
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3275918-vitalbet-cancelled-winning-bets.html
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3136605-vitalbet-steals-winings.html

Vitalbet/Beteast/Betballer/ebettle = SCAM.

Sad enough they are sponsoring EPL club Swansea City with a record-breaking sponsorship (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-city-reveal-new-sponsor-11421110) and Manny Pacquiao.

vitalbet finally replied. Made up bullshit just like ebettle.


My response:

not getting any further replies from either sites. Guess my money is gone.

Mine too (1.3k). Welcome to the club.

Thanks. I filed a complaint to their licence regulator and waiting for the response. Then I am considering a possibility to report fraud activities to the UK Royal Police as far as these bookmakers recieve payments through enterprices registered in England and BVI.

You seem to be firm with all that "legal bookie stuff". Do you actually know one single case where a player sued a casino/sportsbook in Curacao?

There are some cases in Europe already but I never heard from a process in Curacao. Many talk about it but obviously no one finally has the balls and/or the money (BTW I am suing against a sportsbook in Belgium right now).

Thanks. I`ve submited a report to the UK Police.  The company that recieved payments is in England, my payment system confirmed it.

From the licensor there is no response yet.

a quote from Police respond:

Thank you for taking the time to report to Action Fraud. I’m sorry to hear you’ve been a victim of crime.
Our aim at Action Fraud is to make the process of reporting fraud and internet crime easier. Reports received are
sent to our National Fraud Intelligence Bureau (NFIB).
The NFIB review the information you have given us and assess whether there is enough evidence for the police or
appropriate law enforcement organisation, such as Trading Standards to investigate your fraud. The NFIB aims to
send you an update in writing around 28 working days after you have made your fraud report.

Yes, it`s them. The point is they provide really good odds on E-Sports. Betonline does not do that, their selection of matches is very poor. I know all betting sites providing odds on E-sports, cause I am an old arber. Ultraplay and Pinnacle combination is the most profitable. That`s said, there is a great risk to be scamed.

So instead of withdrawing my money from eBettle, I continued making bets with the deposit they were going to return. I ended up quadrupling it by going all-in on a couple of bets. But of course when I try withdrawing they locked my account and are probably gonna steal the winnings again. c*nts.

I tried contacting their license provider as well and ultraplay directly but got no response. I guess they are all in on this scam. I would say stay away from all Ultraplay sites.

No, no, sportsbet.io claims that Curacao would regulate its licensees!

okay the license provider just responded with a form for me to fill up, requiring all my personal particulars including a copy of my ID, which were all not required when signing up as a btc user on the 2 sites. I'll send over my info anyway if they really require it and we'll see what happens from there.

I`ve fullfilled that form 3 weeks ago and recived no response from them since... They even don`t answer my e-mails.

You have the same licensor like ebettle.com

Just an update from the license issuer after I submitted details of this case to them.


And my response.

At least you get some information from the licensor. I only recieved this e-mail 5 days go (after my requests):

We are working on your case. We were out of the office to observe the Passover Holiday and we are quite busy. We expect to have the needed information back from our licensee by weeks end
 
Regards
 
Stuart Goldstein
Gaming-Curacao.com

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And still no further information. In the other hand, it can be prove they have nothing on me, even made up.

well after some digging, I actually found the user FLOWERBRIDGE. Turns out he does use the exact same vpn provider as I do, but according to him, he hasn't used the server that I use since last year (and I only started betting at these sites this year). I checked with him the bets he make and he said he hasn't even been betting much and from what he remembers (his account is already gone, no access to bet history), our bets are nowhere near the same. The only similarity between our accounts is that we're both winning players.

Another interesting find is that he said his VitalBet account, which was net negative, had its withdraw processed, while his account at eBettle, which was net positive, had the withdraw denied and winnings stolen.


It's getting pretty clear that VB and eB are just finding any sort of convenient excuse they can find to take away money that people have fairly won.

Here is the answer from the licensor on my case


They just cover up these frauds... :( That is all everyone must know about Curacao gaming licenses....

Yes, licensor cover up licensee, but court can not cover up!

What is the URL of this Japanese market operator?

Did their client ban you to register an account with their URLs?

The URLs are betnow1.com  and betnow1.eu
They did not ban me anywhere. Actuallly all my accounts are alive (only badly limited ), except for this betnow1, where my account was closed by them after stealing all the winnings.

They say it seems..., so I wonna see your response to them?

It is also possible to post an article about Gaming Curacao on Game Protect website.

You surely learned meanwhile to make screenshots about your accounts.

yes, I registered on the different sites as far as they postion themselves as not related parties. They do it for marketing and tax optimization purposes, I suppose, and they do not prohibit for same person to have account on every site (but not more then 1 for each site, of course). That (only in other words) I answered to the licensor as well as that Betnow1 does not have any restrictions to players from my country (and most of countries of the World as anyone can see in their T&C). They exclude only residents of U.S.A., HONG KONG S.A.R., PHILIPPINES, and SPAIN.

O.k., let us await their response.

The difference between court and licensor or operator bla bla is that at the court, the operator has to deliver proof!

The problem is that 99% of the single fighters (victims) are not willing to spend any money for lawyer and court and the licensor and operator know this. So they say any kind of nonsense, knowing that 99% will not go to court, where they would have to deliver proof of their claim.

Gaming Curacao suspended the license for 94dakika.com after some complaints!

I was one of the complainers. Is there an official announcement or where did you get this information from?

BTW they are called 90dakika (not 94dakika) and they have several brands, e.g. parasino where I got scammed.

There is an email publicised on SBR, where Gaming Curacao say that the license is suspended. 94dakika.com had a license from Gaming Curacao that was suspended after complaints.

Thereafter 90dakika.com received a license from Curacao eGaming. You can read more in the comments section of Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ and 8048/JAZ (https://game-protect.com/curacao-license-scam/)

How much is your damage with parasino? And how do you know that parasino is part of 90dakika.com?

A victim want to hire a lawyer in Curacao, maybe you want to unite with him and share the costs.

I know this guy ("adrian") who wrote in your comment section. He is "stefan80" at SBR where he already described his case: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3191531-94dakika-scam.html

My damage is way too low (about 2k) so a lawsuit is out of question.

There are many Turkish sportsbooks out there that use BetConstruct software and I strongly believe they are closely related to each other:

90dakika, parasino, rotabet, adobet, kozbet, bexbet, baymavi, gorabet, grandbetting, kikbet, topazbet, ultraganyan, marsbet etc.

I know for sure that 90dakika, parasino, rotabet, adobet and kozbet are scam from my own experience.

Like stefan80/adrian already said: It seems like there is a big Turkish-Turkish Cypriot-English betting syndicate which is involved in a systematic fraud: http://calvinayre.com/2016/09/14/business/turkey-bust-international-online-betting-ring/con

@h4ns

Where is the proof that parasino is connected to 90dakika.com?

Parasino do not state an operator or license...


-> 404: Page not Found


Btw, what is the operator you have a court case in Belgium?

http://parasino.com/en/about/terms-and-conditions

2.1.Parasino is licensed and authorized by the Government of Curacao (formerly the Netherlands Antilles)  and legally authorized to conduct online gaming operations. Parasino is operated and managed by CAMELOT GLOBAL INVESTMENT LIMITED N.V   having its registered address  in Curacao with registered office is at Orionweg 10 C , Curacao . CAMELOT GLOBAL INVESTMENT LIMITED N.V operate under license no 1668/JAZ , granted by Governement of Curacao to exploit Games of Changes on International Market by ways of services lines.


https://calvinayre.com/2016/09/14/business/turkey-bust-international-online-betting-ring/

Should work now


Play n Bet BVBA and Circus Belgium NV

Unfortunately it won't come to a court process because of "irreconcilable differences" with my lawyer.

If I go to parasino.com, I can not see any link to terms and conditons. I can also not see a Curacao eGaming seal that links to the Curacao eGaming validation page.

What are the irreconcilable differences? Belgium has also other lawyers? This should become a precedent, shouldn't it?

Based on my experience, most victims are not willing to spend money for lawyer and court fee. They love to lose millions, but in no way should they spend anything to enforce their claim. A heaven for criminals!

Even after accident(s), they continue to drive cars without an insurance!

On the landing page you have to click on the question mark at the right side of the page. There you have the ToS and everything else.

Is this proof enough? -> https://i.imgur.com/wmQq0WS.png

This is the response from Curacao eGaming on my complaint.

Enough off-topic BTW. If you like to discuss about 90dakika/parasino we should do it at SBR or somewhere else but not in this thread.

Woow!

Yes, the original email from your email account would be proof enough. Can you please forward the original email from your email account to contact(at)game-protect.com?

I just did.

And so the story ends...

The licensor wrote:

And I answered:

@ Dobroslov

Ask them to qoute the terms and conditions where it prohibits to open accounts at all sites of the operator?

Good afternoon!
Immediately sorry for bad english, I use google translator to create this message.

The bookmaker "VITALBET" blocked my account without grounds and stole 1400 euros from me.

My nickname on the site VitalBet - Angelofp0ker.
I have been betting on sports for more than 10 years and during this time I first encountered such a candid kid from the bookmaker's office!
Having answered several times in the support service, my subsequent letters are completely ignored. The account is blocked, my money is stolen in a brazen way.
All I have to do is describe the situation on the forums and warn people + I'll try to find contacts of the organization that issued them a license and write there.

Briefly, for those who do not want to read the details:
I was blocked for multi-account, although I never created more than one account in their bookmaker office and did not violate any rules. I completely passed all the stages of verification of the person: scans, photos and skype conversation. My letters to the support are now completely ignored, my account is blocked, my money in the amount of 1400 euros is stolen.
The only thing it can be connected with is the FriGate application (VPN \ Proxy), which I use to access sites that are blocked by the provider. Those. All who use a similar application or proxy \ VPN can at any time also get into this situation.

Read more:
I have been registered in many bookmakers around the world, I have not violated any rules anywhere, different offices are needed to find a more optimal coefficient and the possibility to put a slightly larger amount. Almost all bookmakers are blocked by providers now in Russia, so for access to sites I use a free VPN / Proxy application for Google Chrome "FriGate", as well as many other players around the world. This is normal for all bookmakers around the world and NEVER, no one had any complaints about this.

In VITALBET, I have been making bets since May 2017. I made several deposits.
I verified the account: I sent a photograph of my passport and utility bill.
May, June and July I actively bets, and in July for the first time made a request for withdrawal of money, and then problems with access to the account began.

First I was asked to go through the verification again, and send a photo on which I will, holding a passport and the inscription "VITALBET". I passed successfully and this stage of verification, but my account was "temporarily blocked" and told that I need to go through another stage of verification, namely, they will call me on Skype and will ask various questions about my account in their bookmaker office.

I answered all their questions: I had to name some of my bets, the amounts I usually pay, the payment systems that I use and other data. I successfully passed the verification and the operator told me that everything is in order and your account will be open during the day.

However, the account was not opened in a day, or through three. I wrote to the support team to find out the reason. And I received a letter with the name "Multi-accounts registered":


Those. I was accused of creating multiple accounts on their site, and returned a miserable 490 euros to my Skrill (500 euros - 2% per withdrawal). Although my account was 1900 euros. And for all the time I played on this site I made deposits for a total of 1,795 euros.

I replied that in every bookmaker office I have only one account and I am ready to prove it by any method. As far as I understand, they are networked with several other bookmakers, namely: EBETTLE and LOOTBET. In them I also had accounts and bets, I thought that maybe the reason for this? I wrote to them that I make bets there, but everywhere I have only one account and I did not violate any rules, to which they specified that they have no complaints about this. But wrote here that.


And this is


I tried to explain in the most detail that I'm using the FriGate application to access their site, that I'm ready to prove that I did not belong to any other accounts and that I did not violate any rules, but they do not answer to me in the support service anymore and completely ignore my letters.

Playing in a lot of bookmakers, I came across different cases: a lot of bookmakers cut their maxima to zero, simply because they did not like you or won a little money from them, or without explanation at all; Asked to undergo a bunch of procedures of all kinds of verification of ridiculous; Truncated the coefficients personally;

But in all cases, their money could be taken away. Here I was accused of what I did not do, they took my money away and did not even want to try to understand the situation. This is the first time I've come across, so I endure this all for a general review, because I feel powerless in this situation.

By the way, what is even more interesting: from the bookmakers of their network - Ebettle and LootBet, I successfully withdrew the money and no complaints against me from them, although I also used the same FriGate to access their sites. As well as to all other sites.

In fact, this situation applies indirectly to everyone who uses different VPNs and Proxy to access your accounts on different sites.

Thank you for listening, I will be glad to any advice or assistance on the return of their funds.

VitalBet uses the scam license 365/JAZ from gaming-curacao.com

More info: Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ and 8048/JAZ (https://game-protect.com/curacao-license-scam/)

Welcome to the club!

Next time maybe better drive with security belt?