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Title: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: dannon on March 28, 2017, 11:09:03 AM
I noticed that all of the dice sites don't resemble rolling actual dice. They just give a random number between 1 and 100. Why is that? I don't know if I would call that dice. Seems more like pick high or low and bet on what number will be generated.

Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: BitcoinHodler on March 28, 2017, 11:32:30 AM
interesting question, since it is not really "dice" so i don't know why they call it that. but i suppose part of this game design is because you can actually change the chance of win/lose whereas in a 6 sided dice you will always have the same chance. you pick a number among only 6 choices and roll. that is it!

but in these "dice" games, you can have from 0.01% chance to 99.99% chance of winning or losing based on your choice.


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: FlightyPouch on March 28, 2017, 11:44:39 AM
interesting question, since it is not really "dice" so i don't know why they call it that. but i suppose part of this game design is because you can actually change the chance of win/lose whereas in a 6 sided dice you will always have the same chance. you pick a number among only 6 choices and roll. that is it!

but in these "dice" games, you can have from 0.01% chance to 99.99% chance of winning or losing based on your choice.

Well it is a gambling game which is used to bet to win easy money, many people will be attracted by it, so, the house will do something to make these game easier for them to earn profit, than the gamblers, so they increase the risk by making the 6 faced dice into 100 faced dice. Higher risk for the gamblers, higher profit for them.


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: daringdiscovered on March 28, 2017, 11:44:50 AM
interesting question, since it is not really "dice" so i don't know why they call it that. but i suppose part of this game design is because you can actually change the chance of win/lose whereas in a 6 sided dice you will always have the same chance. you pick a number among only 6 choices and roll. that is it!

but in these "dice" games, you can have from 0.01% chance to 99.99% chance of winning or losing based on your choice.

Correct, it would be boring and going like you are going on a real Casino if here in the gambling sites, we could also see a 6 sided Dice, that is why they have implemented this idea that a Dice game here on the online Casinos would not be a 6 sided Dice instead a 1-100% random numbers, I mean the chances of winning is base on the percentage that you have set before you make a roll is completely random.

Though we can't see a 6 sided Dice rolling, but, the truth is it is like an imaginary Dice that we are playing here in the Online Casinos.


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: Bitinity on March 28, 2017, 12:43:18 PM
I noticed that all of the dice sites don't resemble rolling actual dice. They just give a random number between 1 and 100. Why is that? I don't know if I would call that dice. Seems more like pick high or low and bet on what number will be generated.

Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?


Thats exactly what I thought when I knew online bitcoin dice game, I thought it is a 6 sided dice like what I experienced in real life dice game. Actually there is pocketdice which can fulfil your needs, pocketdice uses 2 dices and the rolling is like what actual dice should be.
I my self prefer to bet on dice site with 0-99 number because it is more fun than actual 6 sided dice.


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: Oilacris on March 28, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
When i first encounter about a dice game when i was still a newbie and dont have any idea about gambling when i do first heard about dice game i thought the same as yours which a dice game whose sides are 6 and just betting on what would be the number would roll out but when i tried to play its really a different story.


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: Sniper44 on March 28, 2017, 01:38:23 PM
I noticed that all of the dice sites don't resemble rolling actual dice. They just give a random number between 1 and 100. Why is that? I don't know if I would call that dice. Seems more like pick high or low and bet on what number will be generated.

Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?


i thought about this but the 6 sided dice would become boring so fast because you can't really make any strategies based on it and it is just picking number out of 6 numbers which is not a good chance of winning. (1 out of 6 instead of 50%=1 out of 2).

and if i wanted to do that i would play a coin flip which has only 2 results, heads or tails, and have a completely 50-50 chance kind of game to play.


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: torry28 on March 28, 2017, 01:44:51 PM
I noticed that all of the dice sites don't resemble rolling actual dice. They just give a random number between 1 and 100. Why is that? I don't know if I would call that dice. Seems more like pick high or low and bet on what number will be generated.

Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?

I prefer with dice game just like now. It's more fun compare 6 sided dice. If you want a real dice game (6 sided dice), just go to pocket dice, because they are the only one gambling site which offers betting like "real dice" or 6 sided dice.

but in these "dice" games, you can have from 0.01% chance to 99.99% chance of winning or losing based on your choice.
There are some dice site which have 1% - 98% chance of winning (Rollin.io) and 0.0001% - 98.99% winning chance (Justdice, Bitdice, Bit-Exo)


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: ralle14 on March 28, 2017, 02:16:20 PM
interesting question, since it is not really "dice" so i don't know why they call it that. but i suppose part of this game design is because you can actually change the chance of win/lose whereas in a 6 sided dice you will always have the same chance. you pick a number among only 6 choices and roll. that is it!

but in these "dice" games, you can have from 0.01% chance to 99.99% chance of winning or losing based on your choice.
Yup mostly this and because the multiplier will also be the same with a 6 sided dice some people would want to change it in their own preferred multiplier.

For OP.
Some users already mentioned pocketdice as a (2)6 sided dice  they have a higher house edge compared to the most popular dice sites now.


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: romero121 on March 28, 2017, 02:35:00 PM
Developing a dice game with six faces getting rolled along with the graphic, multimedia and algorithmic program might be tedious and not easily understandable. The present dice games were easily understandable​, for which such a simple way of dice is used in most of the websites.


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: piloder on March 28, 2017, 02:35:15 PM
Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?
Have you checked https://pocketdice.io/ they have actual six sided dice. They are also pretty old and can be trusted, i have played with them personally for many times without any problems.


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: izanagi narukami on March 28, 2017, 02:59:25 PM
More numbers more variative way to win ! compare if you play with real dice ( 1-6 )
The important parts is no matter what dice they offer, make sure that their algorithm is provably fair usually you will got the recommendation from expert of community feedback


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: Gotottack on March 28, 2017, 03:07:39 PM
More numbers more variative way to win ! compare if you play with real dice ( 1-6 )
The important parts is no matter what dice they offer, make sure that their algorithm is provably fair usually you will got the recommendation from expert of community feedback

It's still the same though, regardless of how many numbers your dice game has. It still has a chance of winning and a payout. The payout will always not be an equal EV and usually they will put a house edge and thus is always negative EV. So no matter how you spin off the dice, it will just be the same hi-lo game.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: michaelch on March 29, 2017, 02:53:49 AM
I prefer real life dice games, like craps


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: Ziskinberg on March 29, 2017, 05:14:35 AM
I noticed that all of the dice sites don't resemble rolling actual dice. They just give a random number between 1 and 100. Why is that? I don't know if I would call that dice. Seems more like pick high or low and bet on what number will be generated.

Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?

Maybe the logo where we see a picture of a dice would justify that they are operating a dice game, never thought of that before actually until I see your post. You have a great observation and I cannot further explain why it's called as dice, the only thing I know is that games gives us fast result and that is fun when we are so lucky.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: xypos on March 29, 2017, 05:19:10 AM
I noticed that all of the dice sites don't resemble rolling actual dice. They just give a random number between 1 and 100. Why is that? I don't know if I would call that dice. Seems more like pick high or low and bet on what number will be generated.

Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?


The reason is that you can get an infinite amount of sides on a dice, and still call it a dice game.

Casinos usually go up to the nearest hundredth decimal place, which means that there is "10,000 sides" in the dice, if you like.

People like to have more possibilities than 6 outcomes. People like the idea of having control over their own bets, choosing their own odds. And bitcoin dice offers that. If you want to play traditional dice, then maybe you should try sites like pocketdice.io.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: Wendigo on March 29, 2017, 05:21:50 AM
I noticed that all of the dice sites don't resemble rolling actual dice. They just give a random number between 1 and 100. Why is that? I don't know if I would call that dice. Seems more like pick high or low and bet on what number will be generated.

Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?


You could invite your friends over and gamble on rolling 6-sided dices if you so wish. However betting on events with only 6 possible outcomes means that the odds on these outcomes will be much lower than on, say, 100 possible outcomes. That's why people prefer to bet on these 'unreal' online dice sites where they can chase these elusive 9900x odds  ;)


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: Reid on March 29, 2017, 05:25:08 AM
I think the odds of winning will be higher if they just put that kind of Dice which is the real one.
That is why they made it to the higher numbers.
At other gambling sites it is call hi-low, I guess it is stuck with them.
I dont know if anyone file a complaint about this. You could start it if you want to.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: Japinat on March 29, 2017, 07:32:42 AM
I think the odds of winning will be higher if they just put that kind of Dice which is the real one.
That is why they made it to the higher numbers.
At other gambling sites it is call hi-low, I guess it is stuck with them.
I dont know if anyone file a complaint about this. You could start it if you want to.
That's funny, there is nothing wrong with the actual format of the game, in the end it's proven probably fair and we all play for a chance to win.
In real dice it has 6 sides and I don't find it very attractive for gamblers, at least in the dice game that we are playing, we can choose what odds we want.
One gambler could choose a bigger payout and the other one could choose a lower payout and everything depends on their luck.


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: noodle_dam on March 29, 2017, 07:55:31 AM
I noticed that all of the dice sites don't resemble rolling actual dice. They just give a random number between 1 and 100. Why is that? I don't know if I would call that dice. Seems more like pick high or low and bet on what number will be generated.

Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?

I prefer with dice game just like now. It's more fun compare 6 sided dice. If you want a real dice game (6 sided dice), just go to pocket dice, because they are the only one gambling site which offers betting like "real dice" or 6 sided dice.

but in these "dice" games, you can have from 0.01% chance to 99.99% chance of winning or losing based on your choice.
There are some dice site which have 1% - 98% chance of winning (Rollin.io) and 0.0001% - 98.99% winning chance (Justdice, Bitdice, Bit-Exo)
Actually don't go to pocket dice.
There is an accusation they are not paying their players now and withholding winnings.
I think the site has gone bust so this is why they are not being able to do payouts.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: emberbekas on March 29, 2017, 08:12:18 AM
I think the odds of winning will be higher if they just put that kind of Dice which is the real one.
That is why they made it to the higher numbers.
At other gambling sites it is call hi-low, I guess it is stuck with them.
I dont know if anyone file a complaint about this. You could start it if you want to.
That's funny, there is nothing wrong with the actual format of the game, in the end it's proven probably fair and we all play for a chance to win.
In real dice it has 6 sides and I don't find it very attractive for gamblers, at least in the dice game that we are playing, we can choose what odds we want.
One gambler could choose a bigger payout and the other one could choose a lower payout and everything depends on their luck.

Some people prefer to play at low payouts like 98% or even lower like 98.99% while other people tend to try their luck at higher payouts like 0.01% or even higher 0.0001%. And I am sure those payouts wont available at 6-sided dice game.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: LEEMEEGO on March 29, 2017, 08:46:38 AM
I think the odds of winning will be higher if they just put that kind of Dice which is the real one.
That is why they made it to the higher numbers.
At other gambling sites it is call hi-low, I guess it is stuck with them.
I dont know if anyone file a complaint about this. You could start it if you want to.
That's funny, there is nothing wrong with the actual format of the game, in the end it's proven probably fair and we all play for a chance to win.
In real dice it has 6 sides and I don't find it very attractive for gamblers, at least in the dice game that we are playing, we can choose what odds we want.
One gambler could choose a bigger payout and the other one could choose a lower payout and everything depends on their luck.

Some people prefer to play at low payouts like 98% or even lower like 98.99% while other people tend to try their luck at higher payouts like 0.01% or even higher 0.0001%. And I am sure those payouts wont available at 6-sided dice game.
true! and it is a lot more risky to do such.. even i, i have tried playing with a chance even at 50% and i'll just close my eyes every roll cause i dont want to see right away if i win or lose. lol. i dont usually try my luck at those chances because i always stick to 98%.. he pay out maybe small but atleast im gaining profit than not at all.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: BTCLovingDude on March 29, 2017, 09:11:50 AM
I noticed that all of the dice sites don't resemble rolling actual dice. They just give a random number between 1 and 100. Why is that? I don't know if I would call that dice. Seems more like pick high or low and bet on what number will be generated.

Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?

there has been a lot of different kinds of dice, i have even seen the 6 sided thing you say once. but they never interest anybody so to answer your question i say no people don't like actual 6 sided dice, apparently.

what seems to be the point of interest of majority of gamblers is this current type of dice game which is in fact a hi-lo game. and i also think the reason is because it is flexible. which means you can have a lot of routs to take in order to make a simple bet with so many different strategies and so many different "chances to win" and that makes this type of game interesting.


Title: Re: Best kind of dice?
Post by: Slark on March 29, 2017, 09:23:49 AM
Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?
Have you checked https://pocketdice.io/ they have actual six sided dice. They are also pretty old and can be trusted, i have played with them personally for many times without any problems.
On top of that, some Dice operators present dice outcome in the form of traditional two dice roll animation, KingDice does that.
Maybe it is something that can be pleasing for more old school and traditional type of gamblers?

The game we call Dice is not standard dice rolling. I don't know who first named it that way, but it is just semantics, personally I don't pay attention to it at all.

About perfect, or the best kind of Dice: stop looking, there is no such thing.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: RealPhotoshoper on March 29, 2017, 09:24:14 AM
Really interesting thought , according to wikipedia here  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dice_games , there is no a dice game rolls from 0 to 99.99.
Looks like we have a misleading/misguided definition about that game for long time enough.
The real dice game is of course rolling the two standard six-sided pipped dice with rounded corners, as time goes by it has changed.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: FlightyPouch on March 29, 2017, 09:51:58 AM
Really interesting thought , according to wikipedia here  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dice_games , there is no a dice game rolls from 0 to 99.99.
Looks like we have a misleading/misguided definition about that game for long time enough.
The real dice game is of course rolling the two standard six-sided pipped dice with rounded corners, as time goes by it has changed.

How did these happen? We are just gambling, playing dice but the whole time we are being fooled? But I am playing Dice game in KingDice.com which is, they are using 6 faced dice but there are no dots in there, there are ust random numbers in the dice's face. Then if it is not a dice game? how can we call it?


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: mcfom on March 29, 2017, 09:56:38 AM
Really interesting thought , according to wikipedia here  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dice_games , there is no a dice game rolls from 0 to 99.99.
Looks like we have a misleading/misguided definition about that game for long time enough.
The real dice game is of course rolling the two standard six-sided pipped dice with rounded corners, as time goes by it has changed.

How did these happen? We are just gambling, playing dice but the whole time we are being fooled? But I am playing Dice game in KingDice.com which is, they are using 6 faced dice but there are no dots in there, there are ust random numbers in the dice's face. Then if it is not a dice game? how can we call it?

This is true all online dice games are just using some hashes to generate the random numbers for each rolls. Actually no dice site have that classic game about what OP is looking for. In bitcoin community this is much popular and that is why dice sites are running.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: serjent05 on March 29, 2017, 10:00:36 AM
I noticed that all of the dice sites don't resemble rolling actual dice. They just give a random number between 1 and 100. Why is that? I don't know if I would call that dice. Seems more like pick high or low and bet on what number will be generated.

Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?


to make it simple, just imagine it as a 100 sided dice where  you chose a certain range for odds. but  if I imagine it, it is more of a flipping a coin where we have to bet on one of the side of it.  As of the actual sided dice, it would be cool to see if some gambling site will have a game like that.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: PeRo on March 29, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
A six sided dice game would be to easy to win money on, so they put a hundred numbers in the game so you can waste money and they can earn big loads of money off you. I guess they kept the dice name because its something like rolling dice but I agree it isn't a suitable name.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: Red-Apple on March 29, 2017, 11:11:37 AM
Really interesting thought , according to wikipedia here  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dice_games , there is no a dice game rolls from 0 to 99.99.
Looks like we have a misleading/misguided definition about that game for long time enough.
The real dice game is of course rolling the two standard six-sided pipped dice with rounded corners, as time goes by it has changed.

very interesting, this topic also makes me wonder why we are even calling it dice then. and it is not a new thing, i know the first game that came out was called something dice then the primedice thing came out and ever since we have been calling this game as dice!

maybe it had something to do with the RNG and how the random number was generated in the beginning! we need someone with a bit of history knowledge here :)


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: bering on March 29, 2017, 02:47:39 PM
it depend from which side people look it and dice with random number between 1 to 100 makes people easy to pick because usually the choice only two and that's low or high however the chance is not so different such as 6 sides dice but this is happening only for online dice site not for physical dice


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: maydna on March 29, 2017, 03:36:51 PM
I noticed that all of the dice sites don't resemble rolling actual dice. They just give a random number between 1 and 100. Why is that? I don't know if I would call that dice. Seems more like pick high or low and bet on what number will be generated.

Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?


i think is not important for gamblers as they only thinking about how to win the games. since its only a games that money involve and gamblers is enjoy when they played, i think they don't mind if the random number between 1 and 100. beside that, the purpose of gamblers playing games is to make money from the games they played and they only choose the games that they have good experience and they can played with good.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: Ayers on March 29, 2017, 03:43:27 PM
I noticed that all of the dice sites don't resemble rolling actual dice. They just give a random number between 1 and 100. Why is that? I don't know if I would call that dice. Seems more like pick high or low and bet on what number will be generated.

Do people not like actual 6 sided dice?


yeah because representing a real dice doesn't make sense, with a dice you have 1/6 chance to win with their dice game you have 50 and 50, with 1% or more to the house, i think this is the reason why they can't make a real dice


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: piloder on March 29, 2017, 04:32:20 PM
A six sided dice game would be to easy to win money on, so they put a hundred numbers in the game so you can waste money and they can earn big loads of money off you.
You are completely wrong brother, having six sided dice will not increase odd of winning. Site can easily earn good amount in profit with house edge.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: Monnt on March 29, 2017, 05:36:46 PM
Do you mean craps? Because craps and dice are very different things, craps is just a game played WITH dice but it is not the dice game, it is just one variation. Dice that we play on bitcoin World most of the time is pure random number generator and I believe it doesn’t resemble dice game but dice isn’t dice is not the right way to put it, dice isn’t craps is the right question you are asking.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: audaciousbeing on March 29, 2017, 07:40:26 PM
The contribution I can add to that is since you can not lay your hands on an actual dice, then the developers have to form a concept based on the view of what is obtainable when we roll a live dice that the winner is determined by rolling higher or lower than a particular figure. But even in this case we have online, you have the ability to even control you chances of winning.


Title: Re: Dice isn't dice?
Post by: JL421 on March 29, 2017, 09:27:27 PM
Lol you be really serious ;D. That's not what they mean by dice. Well basically you can say dice has two meanings one the 6 sided cube and other the gambling one. They call it dice because a number is rolled and if it is lesser than for example 10 you win or else you lose. If you think this explaination isn't sufficient then what name would you keep for a game like this?