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Title: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Masha Sha on April 11, 2017, 09:07:05 AM
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Brazil!!!

Why not? All the stadiums are already build, all will go smoothly.

Keeping it in russia isn't really fair. Russia is embarked on some wired shit recently and the corporate image of the sponsors of such an event in russia will not really benefit.

What do you think?


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Masha Sha on April 11, 2017, 09:26:55 AM
Brazil!!!

Why not? All the stadiums are already build, all will go smoothly.

Keeping it in russia isn't really fair. Russia is embarked on some wired shit recently and the corporate image of the sponsors of such an event in russia will not really benefit.

What donyou think?
I think that Russia is a great place to host the event. I have issues with it. Seems like a really nice country.

Yeah, but in reality russia is at war in ukraine (occupying crimea, fighting on the east), at war in syria (pretexting the legitimacy of the assad and his sovereignity over the land by killing everyone who opposes him), then russia supports iran and fight alongside hezbolla which make it an ennemy of israel, support the president of belaruss since 1994, and seems in good term with North Korea and is planning something in lybia. Furthermore there is all the corruption stories around the attribution to russia.

Football worldcup deserves maybe to be hosted in a country less confrontative, and letting the putinists use this opportunity to boast their image is stupid. It will send a big bow to russian arrogance, and this is the type of call that the russian people will ear and can understand.

And as Brazil can it up and running fast it would be a better option with lot of advantages for everyone.

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Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Forester618 on April 11, 2017, 12:01:06 PM
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Brazil!!!

Why not? All the stadiums are already build, all will go smoothly.

Keeping it in russia isn't really fair. Russia is embarked on some wired shit recently and the corporate image of the sponsors of such an event in russia will not really benefit.

What do you think?
I think it would be right, but who will do it. We all witnessed the corruption scandal through which Russian bought the decision to hold the 2018 world Cup. Isn't that the reason for the transfer? As for Brazil I'm not sure that's a good idea. In this country is pretty tense situation. I think it is better somewhere in Europe.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: darkseid1199 on April 11, 2017, 12:56:01 PM
I think with all the mayhem and confusion surrounding Syria and Russia, it would be best to move the world and i totally agree that Brazil should be the next destination, All is set and they only need a small time to renovate their old stadiums and it may give in form Brazil a chance to win the trophy at home turf.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: MattScott on April 11, 2017, 01:03:31 PM
I think with all the mayhem and confusion surrounding Syria and Russia, it would be best to move the world and i totally agree that Brazil should be the next destination, All is set and they only need a small time to renovate their old stadiums and it may give in form Brazil a chance to win the trophy at home turf.
And I support the idea of moving the 2018 world Cup in Germany. There is the necessary infrastructure and services. In addition Germany is less dangerous for the fans than Brazil.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Masha Sha on April 11, 2017, 02:34:18 PM
I think with all the mayhem and confusion surrounding Syria and Russia, it would be best to move the world and i totally agree that Brazil should be the next destination, All is set and they only need a small time to renovate their old stadiums and it may give in form Brazil a chance to win the trophy at home turf.
And I support the idea of moving the 2018 world Cup in Germany. There is the necessary infrastructure and services. In addition Germany is less dangerous for the fans than Brazil.

As most posters agree, it's useless to divide the move. Russia unfit, Brazil ready (last one in 2014 was in brazil), the stadiums can't be already rotten (football isn't a niche sport in brazil).

 
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Brazil!!!

Why not? All the stadiums are already build, all will go smoothly.

Keeping it in russia isn't really fair. Russia is embarked on some wired shit recently and the corporate image of the sponsors of such an event in russia will not really benefit.

What do you think?
I think it would be right, but who will do it. We all witnessed the corruption scandal through which Russian bought the decision to hold the 2018 world Cup. Isn't that the reason for the transfer? As for Brazil I'm not sure that's a good idea. In this country is pretty tense situation. I think it is better somewhere in Europe.

Who? Trump of course! And again brazil, is the only option with enough support.

As soon as each one tries to get it, infighting, no decisions and ultimately putin having his glory moment.

Or all the civilized world, put their short term interests behind, agree for a 100% ready, safe and fun solution and direction brazil for a worldcup where soccer is king.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Jonar21 on April 11, 2017, 08:47:19 PM
I think with all the mayhem and confusion surrounding Syria and Russia, it would be best to move the world and i totally agree that Brazil should be the next destination, All is set and they only need a small time to renovate their old stadiums and it may give in form Brazil a chance to win the trophy at home turf.
And I support the idea of moving the 2018 world Cup in Germany. There is the necessary infrastructure and services. In addition Germany is less dangerous for the fans than Brazil.

As most posters agree, it's useless to divide the move. Russia unfit, Brazil ready (last one in 2014 was in brazil), the stadiums can't be already rotten (football isn't a niche sport in brazil).

 
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Brazil!!!

Why not? All the stadiums are already build, all will go smoothly.

Keeping it in russia isn't really fair. Russia is embarked on some wired shit recently and the corporate image of the sponsors of such an event in russia will not really benefit.

What do you think?
I think it would be right, but who will do it. We all witnessed the corruption scandal through which Russian bought the decision to hold the 2018 world Cup. Isn't that the reason for the transfer? As for Brazil I'm not sure that's a good idea. In this country is pretty tense situation. I think it is better somewhere in Europe.

Who? Trump of course! And again brazil, is the only option with enough support.

As soon as each one tries to get it, infighting, no decisions and ultimately putin having his glory moment.

Or all the civilized world, put their short term interests behind, agree for a 100% ready, safe and fun solution and direction brazil for a worldcup where soccer is king.
Today, not only on corruption scandal Russia can lose the World Cup, but also on other more important moments of world politics, but even on aggressive military actions and provocations around the world.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Lieldoryn on April 11, 2017, 10:59:15 PM
And I think that nobody will be deprived of the world championship. All talk and forget. There may be several countries in response to Russia's aggression boycott the championship. Everything else will remain as it is.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: LTU_btc on April 11, 2017, 11:21:42 PM
I don't like that next World Cup will hapen in Russia, but it's impossible to move it to other country. Why? There are several reasons:
FIFA is one of the most corupted sports organisations. They are selling rights to organise world cup for countries, which gives them lot of money like Russia and Qatar.
Also, one of the main FIFA sponsors is russian Gazprom. FIFA don't want to cut branch that they are sitting on.
Finally, russians like to say "don't mix sport and politics"
Now it's too late to move World Cup to other country. It has be done year or two ago, not now.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: HabBear on April 12, 2017, 04:30:33 AM
Brazil!!!

Why not? All the stadiums are already build, all will go smoothly.

Because Brazil football chokes every time the International competition happens on their home soil. Or maybe it's just Neymar that chokes. It's hard to remember, Brazil football is forgettable.

How much did they pay FIFA to win the Olympics?


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: gredisgold88 on April 12, 2017, 05:29:47 AM
World Cup in Russia will go well, the country that I think is very formal and stiff certainly had preparation very mature for sporting events of the world, the possibility also russia will provide a good service for tourists the world cup, i hope World Cup 2018 runs smoothly and i can buy doll icon world cup russia, maybe russian bear likelihood will be the emblem on the world cup in 2018.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Sithara007 on April 12, 2017, 04:00:58 PM
World Cup in Russia will go well, the country that I think is very formal and stiff certainly had preparation very mature for sporting events of the world, the possibility also russia will provide a good service for tourists the world cup, i hope World Cup 2018 runs smoothly and i can buy doll icon world cup russia, maybe russian bear likelihood will be the emblem on the world cup in 2018.

Russia has already spent tens of billions of USD for the 2018 world cup. The infrastructure will be of the topmost quality and this time the experience will be much better than the 2014 edition. The fans will be happy, irrespective of their nationality.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Kasper123 on April 12, 2017, 04:39:14 PM
World Cup in Russia will go well, the country that I think is very formal and stiff certainly had preparation very mature for sporting events of the world, the possibility also russia will provide a good service for tourists the world cup, i hope World Cup 2018 runs smoothly and i can buy doll icon world cup russia, maybe russian bear likelihood will be the emblem on the world cup in 2018.

Russia has already spent tens of billions of USD for the 2018 world cup. The infrastructure will be of the topmost quality and this time the experience will be much better than the 2014 edition. The fans will be happy, irrespective of their nationality.
I don't think so. How many Russians hadn't spent money on infrastructure it does not mean that the civilized world must close its eyes to corruption due to which Russia got the right to host the world cup.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: kodes88 on April 13, 2017, 07:40:59 AM
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Brazil!!!

Why not? All the stadiums are already build, all will go smoothly.

Keeping it in russia isn't really fair. Russia is embarked on some wired shit recently and the corporate image of the sponsors of such an event in russia will not really benefit.

What do you think?

I think it's ok to move the 2018 world cup, but not to Brazil. The last world cup held in Brazil, so why don't we move it to another country? So many perfect country with good field and good football like Italy, France, England, spain, Japan, China etc. Give another country a chance to be a home of world cup.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Masha Sha on April 13, 2017, 10:23:14 AM
World Cup in Russia will go well, the country that I think is very formal and stiff certainly had preparation very mature for sporting events of the world, the possibility also russia will provide a good service for tourists the world cup, i hope World Cup 2018 runs smoothly and i can buy doll icon world cup russia, maybe russian bear likelihood will be the emblem on the world cup in 2018.

Russia has already spent tens of billions of USD for the 2018 world cup. The infrastructure will be of the topmost quality and this time the experience will be much better than the 2014 edition. The fans will be happy, irrespective of their nationality.
I don't think so. How many Russians hadn't spent money on infrastructure it does not mean that the civilized world must close its eyes to corruption due to which Russia got the right to host the world cup.

It's more for their full rampage in killing all opponents to assad for the interest of their gazprom... if you ever watch rt you will discover quickly that gazprom and russian energy strategy is never ever discussed. It's the most successful counter propaganda op ever.

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Brazil!!!

Why not? All the stadiums are already build, all will go smoothly.

Keeping it in russia isn't really fair. Russia is embarked on some wired shit recently and the corporate image of the sponsors of such an event in russia will not really benefit.

What do you think?

I think it's ok to move the 2018 world cup, but not to Brazil. The last world cup held in Brazil, so why don't we move it to another country? So many perfect country with good field and good football like Italy, France, England, spain, Japan, China etc. Give another country a chance to be a home of world cup.

China could be cool but too divisive. Let it happen in brazil. There is countrr energy play, gazprom aims the world.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Sithara007 on April 13, 2017, 10:43:52 AM
World Cup in Russia will go well, the country that I think is very formal and stiff certainly had preparation very mature for sporting events of the world, the possibility also russia will provide a good service for tourists the world cup, i hope World Cup 2018 runs smoothly and i can buy doll icon world cup russia, maybe russian bear likelihood will be the emblem on the world cup in 2018.

Russia has already spent tens of billions of USD for the 2018 world cup. The infrastructure will be of the topmost quality and this time the experience will be much better than the 2014 edition. The fans will be happy, irrespective of their nationality.
I don't think so. How many Russians hadn't spent money on infrastructure it does not mean that the civilized world must close its eyes to corruption due to which Russia got the right to host the world cup.

What you mean by civilized world? A "civilized" country is hosting the world cup in 2022. In this country, the gays are beheaded for their sexual orientation, and the women are stoned to death for adultery. Are you favoring such "civilized" countries?


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Masha Sha on April 13, 2017, 11:20:41 AM
World Cup in Russia will go well, the country that I think is very formal and stiff certainly had preparation very mature for sporting events of the world, the possibility also russia will provide a good service for tourists the world cup, i hope World Cup 2018 runs smoothly and i can buy doll icon world cup russia, maybe russian bear likelihood will be the emblem on the world cup in 2018.

Russia has already spent tens of billions of USD for the 2018 world cup. The infrastructure will be of the topmost quality and this time the experience will be much better than the 2014 edition. The fans will be happy, irrespective of their nationality.
I don't think so. How many Russians hadn't spent money on infrastructure it does not mean that the civilized world must close its eyes to corruption due to which Russia got the right to host the world cup.

What you mean by civilized world? A "civilized" country is hosting the world cup in 2022. In this country, the gays are beheaded for their sexual orientation, and the women are stoned to death for adultery. Are you favoring such "civilized" countries?

Or maybe it will be used to regime chnage russia... it's easy as there will be too many people out in the street for the russian population control forces to be effective in case of massives state wide protests...


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Tribizz on April 14, 2017, 11:14:32 AM
I think with all the mayhem and confusion surrounding Syria and Russia, it would be best to move the world and i totally agree that Brazil should be the next destination, All is set and they only need a small time to renovate their old stadiums and it may give in form Brazil a chance to win the trophy at home turf.

I disagree because when world cups are held in any country, it gives the country;
1.Catalyst for new and improved facilities to support the development of the game at all levels.
2.Increased civic pride and community
3.Enhanced partnerships and greater commercial activity and investment from new sponsors, media, broadcasters and large corporations.
4.Help in breaking down social barriers to participation and high performance by both women and young people.
5.Increased number of and higher quality football development programmes for both the elite game, talent identification and grassroots.
6.Using successful players as role models to encourage young and emerging players and to promote health and other social benefits.
They are all benefit a country gains so why do you want to move it back to Brazil when they already had their chance.
The confusion surrounding Syria and Russia will come to an end before the year goes by.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: BitBite5 on April 14, 2017, 11:24:43 AM
Maybe we should still give Russia a chance, why not? I know they are not the most desireable destination at the moment but maybe this could also help them for some positive movements, who knows?


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Forester618 on April 14, 2017, 11:27:09 AM
World Cup in Russia will go well, the country that I think is very formal and stiff certainly had preparation very mature for sporting events of the world, the possibility also russia will provide a good service for tourists the world cup, i hope World Cup 2018 runs smoothly and i can buy doll icon world cup russia, maybe russian bear likelihood will be the emblem on the world cup in 2018.

Russia has already spent tens of billions of USD for the 2018 world cup. The infrastructure will be of the topmost quality and this time the experience will be much better than the 2014 edition. The fans will be happy, irrespective of their nationality.
I don't think so. How many Russians hadn't spent money on infrastructure it does not mean that the civilized world must close its eyes to corruption due to which Russia got the right to host the world cup.

What you mean by civilized world? A "civilized" country is hosting the world cup in 2022. In this country, the gays are beheaded for their sexual orientation, and the women are stoned to death for adultery. Are you favoring such "civilized" countries?

Or maybe it will be used to regime chnage russia... it's easy as there will be too many people out in the street for the russian population control forces to be effective in case of massives state wide protests...
So the protests were effective, someone must lead. In Russia there is no worthy candidates to lead the opposition. Navalny is Putin's man. Until Putin's inner circle does not want his removal from power.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Sithara007 on April 14, 2017, 11:30:24 AM
So the protests were effective, someone must lead. In Russia there is no worthy candidates to lead the opposition. Navalny is Putin's man. Until Putin's inner circle does not want his removal from power.

LOL... are you joking? Navalny is the real opposition leader in Russia. That is why he is undergoing a lot of harassment right now. On the other hand, others such as Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky.etc are just the paid stooges of the Kremlin.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: E-shipper on April 14, 2017, 12:30:51 PM
I vseravno in which country will host the World Cup on football, if only this pathetic spectacle did not turn into a political war, and even be ill will be uninteresting.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: bra4our on April 14, 2017, 12:46:11 PM
So the protests were effective, someone must lead. In Russia there is no worthy candidates to lead the opposition. Navalny is Putin's man. Until Putin's inner circle does not want his removal from power.

LOL... are you joking? Navalny is the real opposition leader in Russia. That is why he is undergoing a lot of harassment right now. On the other hand, others such as Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky.etc are just the paid stooges of the Kremlin.

I agree with you, now wonder he is being persecuted at all sides. Both if only protests are anything to go by, they shouldn't move the World Cup from Russia, if they do then FIFA should give them a huge financial consolation because lots of the businesses are eagerly awaiting the tournament.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Jonar21 on April 15, 2017, 04:19:47 AM
So the protests were effective, someone must lead. In Russia there is no worthy candidates to lead the opposition. Navalny is Putin's man. Until Putin's inner circle does not want his removal from power.

LOL... are you joking? Navalny is the real opposition leader in Russia. That is why he is undergoing a lot of harassment right now. On the other hand, others such as Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky.etc are just the paid stooges of the Kremlin.

I agree with you, now wonder he is being persecuted at all sides. Both if only protests are anything to go by, they shouldn't move the World Cup from Russia, if they do then FIFA should give them a huge financial consolation because lots of the businesses are eagerly awaiting the tournament.
No, my dear, the protests in russia unambiguously divert the holding of the tournament. So, whoever there was not the main one in the opposition, he still does bad for the image of the country.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Sithara007 on April 15, 2017, 04:28:40 PM
So the protests were effective, someone must lead. In Russia there is no worthy candidates to lead the opposition. Navalny is Putin's man. Until Putin's inner circle does not want his removal from power.

LOL... are you joking? Navalny is the real opposition leader in Russia. That is why he is undergoing a lot of harassment right now. On the other hand, others such as Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky.etc are just the paid stooges of the Kremlin.

I agree with you, now wonder he is being persecuted at all sides. Both if only protests are anything to go by, they shouldn't move the World Cup from Russia, if they do then FIFA should give them a huge financial consolation because lots of the businesses are eagerly awaiting the tournament.

It is too late to shift the tournament now. The television rights are being traded right now, and the final arrangements for the fans are being made. If the FIFA wanted to shift the tournament, then they should have done that at least two years ago.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: bitmakerBR on April 15, 2017, 11:53:16 PM
So the protests were effective, someone must lead. In Russia there is no worthy candidates to lead the opposition. Navalny is Putin's man. Until Putin's inner circle does not want his removal from power.

LOL... are you joking? Navalny is the real opposition leader in Russia. That is why he is undergoing a lot of harassment right now. On the other hand, others such as Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky.etc are just the paid stooges of the Kremlin.

I agree with you, now wonder he is being persecuted at all sides. Both if only protests are anything to go by, they shouldn't move the World Cup from Russia, if they do then FIFA should give them a huge financial consolation because lots of the businesses are eagerly awaiting the tournament.

It is too late to shift the tournament now. The television rights are being traded right now, and the final arrangements for the fans are being made. If the FIFA wanted to shift the tournament, then they should have done that at least two years ago.
and indeed it is. I do not understand why to raise so much noise because of the nonsense and idle chatter. Although some of this excitement is possible on hand.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Barbarian on April 16, 2017, 12:10:49 AM
The world cup is not going to change places it is too late maybe the next world cup could be changed since there is ample proof there were shady deals but withdrawing the world cup will just create unnecessary international tensions.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Sithara007 on April 16, 2017, 04:05:20 AM
The world cup is not going to change places it is too late maybe the next world cup could be changed since there is ample proof there were shady deals but withdrawing the world cup will just create unnecessary international tensions.

No one have the balls to take the world cup away from Qatar. They won the 2022 hosting rights after openly bribing the voters. Till now close to 3,000 laborers have died during the construction of these stadiums in Doha and the other cities (mostly Nepalis). But Qatar is the richest country in the world, and no one is going to speak anything against them.


Title: Re: Moving the football world cup 2018 from russia to...
Post by: Alexzap on April 16, 2017, 10:43:56 AM
The world cup is not going to change places it is too late maybe the next world cup could be changed since there is ample proof there were shady deals but withdrawing the world cup will just create unnecessary international tensions.
Can certainly not take away from Russia the world Cup, but it will not be because someone is afraid of Russian, but because they do not want to return to Russian bribes that took this decision. But I think that may be an option even worse. If before the start of the world Cup, the main parties are boycotting it.