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I used to buy a coffee from time to time with bitcoin.
But I can't use bitcoin buying a coffee now, because the fee is so high, if I keep 0.0001 fee like before, it would take days for the transaction to get confirmed, I've got a transaction which took 11 days to get the 1st confirmation last month.  
It's not cost-effective any more to buy (I mean both online and buying face to face) thing via bitcoin. And this is why I quit buy coffee with bitcoin.

You can always use other coins like Doge for that kind of stuff. You can use bitwala to pay for stuff in doge, dash, litecoin etc. See

https://www.bitwala.io/card/

https://www.bitwala.io/bitwala-sepa-transfers-with-ether-litecoin-dash/

The point is that other coins like doge or litecoin is much less popular than bitcoin.  The coffee shop does  not accept doge and litecoin.

as someone who has never seen a real shop accept bitcoin can you take a photo in the coffee shop that is accepting bitcoin and share it with us?

If that is the case then back in the traditional payment with fiat now and start saving bitcoin. There's no different if we have to use fiat or bitcoin in a physical coffee shop.

The transactions fees we are using today will be worth hundred of dollars in the future :) .

This is really making a sense.  8)


It's still like a normal coffee shop. If OP can give the name, that is enough. :)

I cannot grasp the idea, why would anyon think that bitcoin has been created to pay for coffee at the cafe?

It was created to revolutionize the payment system, and financial sector, but the way to pay by bitcoin for cofee is still far in the future.

It doesnt make sense because of the fee size, so you need to decrease it somehow-but you simply cant.

I would just prefer to use regular cash, or convert my crypto to fiat, just to pay for coffee right?
It isn't hard for me to understand that some people are very happy that bitcoin payment is available in some of the shops, but I dont think that this example is a best use I couls imagine.

The main point if you can't use bitcoin to buy a cup of coffee right now. He means the off-chain transaction while there is a problem with the blockchain network and your transaction will be delivered over 2-3 hours.
Last night my transaction has delivered after 6-8 hours. Thus use the on-chain transaction will not be recommended just for buying a coffee.

I guess if your problem on the confirmation should be those stores do not need to use the confirmation because it will need the long time, to my knowledge every transaction it will not be returned to the sender but will only take a long time only, so in a business like this should have a payment using bitcoin no need to use 2 confirmation again

you can still use bitcoin as payment for some personal shopping if they don't require a confirmation to be able to be a valid purchase. I agree that with the current high fee that is required for btc to be confirmed as fast as before is too much already to use on a daily basis. It's a good thing that some wallet provider still have options that they cover the charge for fee of about 40k satoshis.

yes thats true transactions nowday are really broken the records. i belive some company can make a offchain wallet system of their own and can easily earn some tax by providing a very low cost transaction system. even if i have some time and resources i can start this wallet right now. i hope soon someone take  this step that can save everyone a huge amount of tax

I feel you mate , thats why Im buying my personal stuffs now by using fiat because bitcoin transactions today needs high fee in order to make a transaction more faster. Its better in my case to convert my bitcoins into local currency and buy the things I want.

can't you pay offchain your coffe, they don't accept this kind of service? a coffe isn't worth much i think they could accept it off-chain with zero confirmation, if no solution is present i find that we need other good altcoin, for this kind of small payment, altcoin that have only the usage for this small transaction, and have not the problem of the block limit, because they need to handle few transaction per day

Good idea for OP.  However, why anyone would want to spend their precious crypto on something as consumable as coffee is beyond me.   But good luck in doing so if that's your desire.

There is a very easy workaround to enable you to still buy coffee with Bitcoin. Get the coffee merchant to open up a Xapo wallet and then do off-chain

transactions within the Xapo network for zero fees and immediate confirmations. They will only have to pay one fee, when they tally up the days

transactions and then withdraw it from the Xapo network to the Blockchain. We had to do this to get past the problems we experienced a while ago

when there were spam attacks on the network. { It will only be temporary, until the scaling issues has been solved }  ;)

My understanding is if we want Bitcoin to have micro transactions again we must enable segwit then companies like coffee shops can start small side chains for their customers.

Yes, only with an improvement like segwit we can start buying cheap, little things with bitcoins. Bitcoin isn't fully developed yet to work with full efficiency as users want. And it's not so easy to do, as the community thinks different in many aspects.
To implement something it takes too much time and discussion about.

Yes it is not and soon coinbase and xapo like centralized payment processors may become first choice for both coffee shops and users to pay without fee. But we can't say this off-chain transactions as true bitcoin transactions.

It seems to have been an early meme, the old buy coffee for cheap and/or free.

That's an angle that really never should have been pushed as it's obvious the fee situation was going to arrive eventually. I'm surprised at the speed it has arrived, but as many others have pointed out, using thousands of computers to store your coffee transaction for all eternity is a bit extravagant.

Sad but true. We cannot use bitcoin for micro payments right now. The fees are painfully high and the confirmation time painfully too long. I have a transaction that took a day to confirm even when I paid a decent amount of fee and the unconfirmed transactions on the Blockchain is low.

I'm not so much into the technical details but yeah, the high tx fees and long confirmation will make microtransactions not satisfactory for a long time. We won't be able to use it for such stuff until these are fixed and so we'd still need to have fiat on standby for buying goods. And to think they used to pay more than a dozen bitcoins for pizza.

Looks like we are still a long way to go from the dream of being financially free of state, only using bitcoins for transactions.

We have to find a solution to this situation. It's a problem to everyone, as people are leaving Bitcoin because of these problems. I used to order pizza, which I can't do now because of too high fees, I can buy a side dish with that fees and even after paying that, the confirmations will take a day.
That's really sad for Bitcoin and its long term supporters.

Well, this time, a fee of bitcoin transactions is quite high. I am pretty sure that this is also due to the transaction so much, and pending confirmation. it may be better to put off buying coffee premises bitcoin, and bitcoin began to herd you have, until the transaction has become a small fee.

If you're not a miner the problems kinda out of hand. Too little things to contribute. The biggest helpout so far for this is the transaction accelerator of

viabtc but unfortunately they have a limit of 100 and many people from all over the world are using it so the chances are you gotta wait for another minute

and come again. Honestly if its just micro transactions. I would prefer to just use the usual fiat because price will increase sooner or later you gotta pay a

low amount of satoshi for that.

this is the reality and as the bitcoiners you must facing and accept it but may i know that how much the price a cup of coffee in your country actually indeed the fees was too high currently but i think a cup of coffee still more expensive rather than the fees for each transactions

Thats very sad to hear that you are not able to buy  coffee using bitcoins.I think these things would only remain as pleasant memories in our life.If we find any practical solution to solve this higher fees,then bitcoin would progress more quickly.

Then don't, it's not like someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to pay with bitcoin for a stupid purchase such as buying coffee.
I don't know why people are so ungrateful? bitcoin with blockchain is here to change the fundamental of the concept which we know as
Currency/ economy/ banking system not for petty things like daily small purchases.
What is bitcoin right now? you should see it and expect from it as it is not something that it's not.
Imao, people should only use bitcoin when they want to transfer amounts higher than $100 as a minimum, then paying $0.5-$1 for a fee shouldn't hurt that much.

Imho, developers should propose a change to the system where everyone (miners/ nodes/ total consensus) agree on a permanent change to accept a fixed fee per byte of data equal to USD worth of satoshi per byte, I'm not good with math but it should be something like if I used to pay $0.2 for a 200 bytes transaction then no matter what the price of bitcoin would be I must be able to pay 20 cents in satoshi each and every time transacting the same size.

If miners really want a everlasting and strong currency backed by community then I don't think they refuse to do this.

The value of Bitcoin will not increase if the adoption rate does not increase. Buying things in shops will increase the adoption rate. Fixing the problems of fees is easy peasy that any child can do. The developers are behaving like an idiot at the moment.

I think paying with bitcoin for a cheap things is useless when you paying a high fees to get your transactions confirmed. So i think it's really nice to use it when you pay in expensive things. This is my opinion.
By the way,  it's really good to pay with bitcoin to buy some things like coffee or pizza etc..

I think as long as you buy something to someone, and you have TXID, your transaction is secure because it has to be said balance will actually go 100% into the address of the seller . dan it was not a problem

I don't understand but still, I think it's okay to buy even for a higher transaction but not up to the point where the pice of the transaction would go higher than the price of the thing you are buying for. It's just not right. It's better to use fiat than bitcoin or some cryptocurrency.

I understand what youre saying, fiat is the best for me for buying stuffs instead of bitcoin. Though theres no yet stores here that accept bitcoin, but as I observed its too long for the confirmation once you send a bitcoin. So its bet Ill used fiat by buying still.

You dont have to stop buying coffee cause there are other ways to buy it
Like:
Converting your bitcoins into your fiat currency in advance so when you feel like drinking coffee you can easily do so.
Convert your bitcoin into other crypto currency.

Once UASF is been implemented all the delay well go away.

For a long time Starbucks was found accepting bitcoin for their service. But several news came regarding the same that those are very expensive and cannot be affordable for common people. I suggest there are lots to be done with bitcoin other than buying goods and foods. Try to focus on such activities and profit out of it.

Interesting that starbucks, if they really did, offer their coffee for bitcoins. I just can't really imagine yet how things would go if there are services that already accepts bitcoins as payment in the real world. Especially, when bitcoins is not instantaneous. The merchant has to wait for confimations before he gives his service.

I also heard the news but said a lot of users bitcoin still doubt because the length of transaction confirmation. actually I have not been interested in using bitcoin for something fast like drinks or food because I think there are still weaknesses in that.

i seriously doubt if OP or anybody else in the whole world have been buying Coffee with bitcoin at least not regularly. maybe once or twice but nobody has ever done it on regular basis. when people invest in bitcoin and get sick on a small drop and get thrilled to the moon when it goes up, they are not going to spend their precious coins on things like coffee regularly.

It is not true that you can't use bitcoin to buy a coffee now because I am sure that there is a lot of stores that accepts bitcoin as their payment option and also the coffee shops in different places. In fact, in our place near in the mall there is a small coffee shop and a restaurant that accept bitcoin and that is very good for me because if i don't have money when i'm starving then i just go to that place and buy some food and eat it and pay them with bitcoins.

OP - That is right even I am facing same issue with the fees with so high. So even if I have to transfer some small btc to anyone , I cannot do it since the fees has gone up sky high considering the world is starting to adopt the fees has to go down and not vice versa.

Isn't that just more of a reason that people don't want to spend Bitcoin?

When it's as deflationary as it is now, everyone just wants to hoard it and not spend it.  That basically just makes it a stable asset/investment and not a currency.

By the time that Bitcoin stabilises, it won't be used for spending either because the lowered block reward will result in transaction fees rising to cover mining costs.  I don't think people need to spend Bitcoin for coffee though - it was always going to be impractical.

Because Bitcoin, or any other cryptos, is/are a currency and shall be used as it. It's not a collectible item like stamps. In this case the same could be say with fiat why anyone want to spend their precious money on something as consumable

The transaction through bitcoin may be differ depending on the country where you lived or where you take your transaction. Because the capability of local businesses to accept bitcoin depends on the value, price and modernization through countries. We all know that crypto-currency is powered by internet meaning to say through web o acceptance of bitcoin on buying , paying or converting much be affected by the recent quality of the country. But for my thoughts, in the near future I know bitcoin will improve as the technology improved making bitcoin as a primary currency that can be used in any transaction.

I thinks, at the moment, buy a a coffee with BTC may be expensive because the fee is so high

Coffee with Bitcoin thats so nice. Why don't you deposit a lumpsum amount in the coffee shop and continue to enjoy cofee. Or pay at the month for the coffee if the owner trusts you very well. Paying such kind of fees for coffee is not such a good idea. You may ask them for a prepaid card and have it refilled. Otherwise it shall burn a huge hole in your pocket if you continue to pay such fees.

Are you bluffing ? I think no coffee shop would accept bitcoin as payment could you send us the name of the coffee shop who accept bitcoin as payment or try it to take a photo of it. Because when i start to ask the cashier in starbucks at my place if they are accepting bitcoin as payment she didn't know what is bitcoin is.

actually starbucks is accepting bitcoin, google it and you will find it. and there is also a lot of other smaller businesses like this who are accepting bitcoin too. google foodtruck accepting bitcoin and you will find that too.

but people spending bitcoin on them on a daily basis is the bluff of OP.
yeah you may even buy a cup of coffee with bitcoin using your mobile wallet but that will be once or twice tops.

that is why i asked him to give us some photo 24 hours ago in the first page of this topic and so far that comment was ignored. :)

Pure curiosity

How much is the "normal" or "recommended" fee that would help your transaction be confirmed in the next blocks compared to the price of a coffee?
I don't know how accurate this is but it lists a fee of 62.1 cents for the next block.

The usual cup of coffee ranges from 1.4 to 2.5 usd dollars in my home town.
So it's about a close to 50% and low as 25% for a purchase.

Kind of ..... really shitty.






There are a lot of them.
I know two in my city and hell, I live in eastern europe.

I have also no idea why would somebody wants to use his bitcoin on to something that could be bought by fiat in the first place, is this a way to impress people and say, "Hey, I have bitcoins folks, who want some?" something like this. It is a waste of profits, really, because instead that we could have a large profit in the long run, we are jut throwing it away for some coffee or whatsoever that we wanted to buy that can be bought by fiat, I mean, yeah, it is worth it, if, we are going to buy the stuffs that we need that can only be bought by bitcoin.

Op might bluff or you can also call it a figurative expression - and we gotta admit it is pretty accurate.
We will have trouble buying anything with BTC with current high fees and long confirmations, there is no denying that.

Then there is no reason to use bitcoin at all - for anything - as everything you can buy with fiat/credit card.
So why we have BTC in the first place, just to hoard it forever?

according to my wallet and also the 21.co website right now because the mempool is full again the suggested fee is 180 satoshi/byte which means a normal user pays about 40K satoshi for a normal transaction which is equal to 48.8 cents.

and this suggested fee is if you want a fast confirmation within the next block.

there is no denying the increased amount of fees and the over-crowded mempool.

but i just made a deposit into my exchange account, it cost me 0.0004BTC fee and it went smoothly and fast.

I also renewed my VPN subscription recently and again paid a small fee like the other tx and it also went smoothly within 10 minutes with that fee.

Basically, that is really the problem with bitcoins right now that it is actually hindering the progress of it being adopted in the real world and in real world applications such as buying coffee. Since, bitcoin transactions require confirmations then that means that we need to really wait for such before merchants will give the product to the customer.

That is so true.

However this presents an opportunity for all the altcoins to make a better solution than bitcoin with the micropayments.

I think bitcoin is originally designed for overseas payments more than face to face payments. For face to face payments, you've still got fiat currency, but you cannot send fiat overseas without incurring a heck of a fee.

Hopefully the fees will come down in due time, right now the fee is so high, combined with the high price of bitcoin, making it unacceptable.

And here is another good thread – talking about a real problem that we should take care of because it scares people away from bitcoin – killed by signature spammers. Sigh...

It'll be interesting to see what happens in Japan now that so many retail outlets there are going to begin accepting bitcoin. I wouldn't be surprised if Japanese bitcoiners start leaning very heavily in support of Core/SegWit

Bitcoin was definitely not designed in the first place to pay for f2f transactions.

I think that what most people would agree with me is that bitcoin was originally designed as a payment network over the internet allowing people access to banking without a bank account, and people are also able to send money overseas without incurring any charges.

But I think if bitcoin is able to accomodate for f2f transactions as well, that would be awesome.

And right now, the transaction fees are way too high even for me who usually doesn't give a damn. It's basically a dollar on average now, compared to a few cents that you had to pay a few years back.

And when a coffee is only costing you like $3 or $4 max and you have to pay $1 extra on top just to use bitcoin? No tahnks.

I can certainly wait for the congestion this is going to.cause, since we can't make up our minds over this whole scaling fiasco. I feel it's coming to a head, given the recent developments in the mining scene, but I still feel we won't have resolved the scaling thing by the time this comes into full effect, and it might make the decision for us. Also, would love to see some competition with asic design as the Japanese market gets more into mining. The Japanese make elegant devices.

that is true but current available altcoins are not capable of doing that because for everything that they have different than bitcoin there are 10 more downsides to it.

for example an altcoin that has a faster confirmation time (aka faster blocks generation) has lots more orphan blocks. in other words if you use bitcoin, 1 confirmation is a 99% sure thing and 3 is the suggested one for 100% sure thing for large amounts.
with that altcoin these numbers are 60 confirmation to be sure of no double spend,...

Thats the part of bitcoin needed to be change and improve. We mine bitcoins to provide our needs so therefore we should get our earnings as fast as it can. Transaction fee getting bigger as fast as the growing value of bitcoin.

this is the common problem bitcoiners is facing now, it needs time before the confirmation. my advise is maybe you can add more and make your fee a little bit higher compared to what you have used to. this is the best and easy solution we can do.

Yes, add more fees for your transaction to be able to have a faster confirmation because most of the days now the confirmation takes longer because of the growth of the volume of the bitcoin users and the network can't manage to handle that without the help of the miners. If you pay more fees then you will be on the top priority of the miners and you will be able to transfer your bitcoin successfully in a short period of time.

This is the readon why there are a lot of solutions that the known economists formulated but did not worked out, one of them is BitcoinUnlimited. Everytime I read these kind of articles about bitcoin having a long time of confirming, I am always thinking about how will Japan use these digital currency effeciently if the transaction of bitcoin is really slow. Then I guess there will be 3 lines in every store in Japan, one for the line who will buy, the exit line, and the waiting for the confirmation line.

Because it is not meant to be used in your daily transactions much more if you are thinking that it should be used in a line system or a Queue. I have a better alternative for you why don't you just convert your Bitcoin to Fiat so that you are not having this kind of problems. Problems that are not suppose to be posted in the first place. We always have a simple solution for that we should use it.

Well,before the transactions were about 10 mins and the only thing you had to do is wait,now with the increased taxes it's not even profitable to buy low-priced items.I don't know how we can get around this,if you pay a smaller tax then the confirmation time will spike and you probably won't be even allowed to pay with BTC.The only solution available is if you can pay for example for 6 coffees like a subscription at once and then each day you just get your order and don't pay each time

Well I would also stay away from buying things for bitcoins in the case of high fees, in this case it would be more profitable just to cash out bitcoins on my card and pay some few fees to an exchanger and that's it. Why payment directly with bitcoins is so grabbing? I think to make it more popular and to attrect new bitcoin users and to help bitcoin to spread over the world fees should be minimal as possible. I understand that the companies who installed that kind of payment just wish to bring their investitions back as fast as possible and become rich, but such strategy doesn't help bitcoin and many bitcoin users will prefer to use old methods such as echangers to pay with bitcoins for their stuff.

Just because of the fee you are going to stop your hobby of buying a coffee? It's very simple, forget about the confirmation and just because you consider it so high? Don't sacrifice your hobby because of the fee. Just adjust and simply pay the right fee for the confirmation and also use the transaction accelerator which is popular now.

If that's the case then its not really ideal to use bitcoin on buying coffee since the fee would really add up on the cost of coffee and in fact we could able to use our local fiat on this time and pass with bitcoin.Lucky for you that you can able to buy coffee with your bitcoin and there are already shops accepts bitcoin.Better to keep first your bitcoin than actively spend it on small things.

Oh c'mon dude! Just because of the transaction fees you cannot buy coffee? Even there is an increase in the transaction fees they are still low and will only cost you a few penny. Why blame the transaction fees? It is there to help the wallet provider to survive.

That is the problem here, the transaction fees. I am buying myself a coffee and I will pay for it using bitcoins, but the fees needs to be a considerable one so it will be confirmed quickly. The scenario is, you will be paying a coffee but your fee is greater than the payment for the coffee, isn't that ridiculous? Better to pay fiat than bitcoin if the price of the item is reall low.

Bro, the issue is not affecting only you but equally quite a number of people around here and the way around it is just to gather as much as you will be needing then convert to Fiat at once by that you save the Transaction fees of intermittent withdrawal then you can buy as many cups of coffee your money can afford and when you exhaust that, you start the cycle all over again.

It has already been discussed , the fees can go up to 40-50 cents for a transactions.

This might not be much for a Starbucks coffee at 4$, but it is still a damn 10-12% fee.
If your bank would be charging this for every transactions i doubt you would keep that card in one piece.

And if we go to other countries where a coffee is 1-2$ the fee is close to 50%.
Really|?
Tell me you're ok with paying this extra.
And the vendor is happy to sell it knowing he will also have to pay a few cents in transactions to get all this dust.


so the solution is to use fiat not bitcoin ?

Over on this thread about whether Bitcoin should get segwit if Litecoin gets it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1867541.0
there are a few who recon bitcoin will not get the activation as the quote from that thread below reads.

Bitcoin Confirmation times and Fees are definitely killing small transactions or sure
Will vendors ever accept other coins as mentioned above Doge, Litecoin etc?

You are just lucky to have a store that accepts Bitcoin near you. If you really love Bitcoin, you wouldn't mind spending an extra 50 cents for fees to buy your daily coffee. Also, you could always use a Bitcoin debit card as most don't charge fees other than the fee you have to pay to send Bitcoin to a deposit address. However, you shouldn't keep your funds in their websites for long as they charge monthly fees of like 1 or 2 dollars, which is just a waste.

pyes, fees and confirmations are the biggest problems for small payments, thats why ive asked if there can be implemented like a market blockchain software that will store all transactions and fees in a separate blockchain and later on sync in with the main one. that would eliminate the confirmation time for the fast purchases and payments.

I am a Bitcoin freak aka fan, and I am not that much excited about spending my coins. I just spend that what is convenient, which at this point still is fiat. No point into using something else.

Another thing, if you make use of a Bitcoin related debit card, you are just spending fiat. The service that provides you with that card just converts your coins to fiat according to the latest exchange rate.

If I were you,I wouldn't waste my btc on buying a cup of tea.Who knows this cup of coffee will cost me thousands of dollar in future like the 10,000 btc.
Use bitcoin for bigger transaction or better hold it.

Speaking of the matter, he want to spend his bitcoin as normally as it should be, it's normal, you can't consider it's as a waste whereas bitcoin was first made to be a currency for spending and not for investing.
Probably you're right that in the future we might see that bitcoin would skyrocketing its price but still it's a right thing to use your bitcoin for a cup of coffee.

We need segwit + lightning network in order to cater for mainstream coffee-tier transactions.

So for time being, please use your altcoin of choice for coffee-tier transactions.

LOL, so the same can be say with fiat. Why are you using fiat for something that could be bought by bitcoin? Is it also a way to imress people and say "Yo, i have fiat folks, who want some?" It can also be a waste of profits as you can also have a profit in the long run.... But don't worry, if you have bills to pay, no matter what currency you have, you will be happy to use it. And if you have no fiat, don't worry you won't say "I have also no idea why would somebody wants to use his bitcoin on to something that could be bought by fiat "

The cost we pay does not go up, I think, due to the high bitcoin value, which makes the cost we pay for a higher value, however, if we Reduce costs, the transaction will be blocked. This shows that bitcoin is in the stage, it is challenging, need a remedy. If they can overcome this, I believe that will grow stronger than ever. Buying bitcoin coffee at the present time is an unwise idea.

true, use altcoin you to conduct transactions coffee or something like that,
or other types of coins if you have :)

Oh c'mon dude! Just because of the transaction fees you cannot buy coffee? Even there is an increase in the transaction fees they are still low and will only cost you a few penny. Why blame the transaction fees? It is there to help the wallet provider to survive.

Well that is true given the current miner fees today it is likely that we will stick to fiat currency in buying anything such as coffee from local shops and merchants due to a very high fees which will make your purchase more costly. This is one of the problem that the community is facing right now and we hope that when a code is accepted in mining the fees should also go down.

Yeah, Bitcoins become useless for small payments if you don't want to pay a lot for the transaction. And looks like transaction fee will grow in the future.. :-[

And when the coffee shop sees that nobody is paying in BTC anymore, they'll figure out that it's not practical. Additionally when speaking to their customers about it and hearing their desires to pay with crypto currencies, they'll investigate other solutions. LTC with LN perhaps? ETH? DASH?

Consequently those coins proving to be filling the demand will gain in value. See how that works?

Is yet to be seen if LTC can activate segwit. I guess it's a good idea to hold some just in case, but you never know what's inside the mind of a chinese mining whale. We may see it in LTC eventually. We have people like Wang claiming segwit "is a disaster" yet he supports it in LTC. You can't make this shit up.

Well maybe you need to raise the fee. That’s the point of the fee. The higher it is the less long it takes to complete the transaction and get the confirmations.

But, buying coffee with Bitcoin isn’t really practical  anyway. Unless you make a living with Bitcoin just buy your beverage with your local fiat currency. People are always romanticizing about buying everything in bitcoin but it is actually more convenient for you to just use your government backed currency.

I like coffee and my dream is to buy coffee using my bitcoin,but it will take years here to realize that,yeah posting that coffee shop photo is a big boost to all of us here I think you are located in the us or in the uk I read that you can buy coffee in Japan using Bitcoin.

In my opinion, they blame the fees because of a very simple reason- they sent transactions usually, with small amounts of bitcoins in them, so it is very harmful.
When you own 1 bitcoin, and you make 0.02 or even 0.01 transactions, this 30-50k satoshi fee doesnt hurts you like that, an experienced bitcoin user knows many way to decrease the fee, or to regain the money spend on it somehow, without big effort.

I cannot grasp why would anyone think that the bitcoin has been made to pay for the coffee?
Blockchain is a great technology and bitcoin is also revolutionary, and paying for coffee with it seems like a stupid idea for me, you better pay with BTC for some electronical devices, or anything more expensive than 5$ lol.

You quit to buy coffee only, but i quit everything to buying with bitcoin. Because when bitcoin was under $500, than sometime i use it for shopping but now bitcoin has a heavy price. So i am prefer to save than use the bitcoin.

Since its release the bitcoin has been aiming to become a revolutionary way of payment a way to replace spending money on the internet with having more sense of security and to avoid banking fees or credit cards usage.

But that idea kept fading away as bitcoin kept to grow constantly and people started realizing the fact that utilizing bitcoin as a profitable investment due to its price constantly growing is better than getting it and then spending it like regular money, so they started treating it like gold, and that what makes it hard to people spending it and business owners accepting as a payment method.

At the present time, buying BTC coffee seems to be too expensive because the transaction fee is too large
I thinks so`1

That would be so sad if that case will going to happen, things will be really different as the timr goes by, we do not know how things work in the future if the transaction fee wi going to affect the consumption of bitcoin.

Well, in my country, you can buy a lot of coffee with bitcoin right now. Even you can build your own coffee shop. Here, bitcoin is so valuable, and has a high value when converted into fiat form. But, most people are not yet aware to immediately look for bitcoin, because it lacks interest with it.

At this point it is clear that we will never be able to purchase a coffee with on-chain transaction.
Whenever we like it or not a second layer network will be developed in the future to prevent overload of the network.
Bitcoin will be used and cornerstone for larger system - but until this happen the idea of buying your coffee with BTC is dead.

Yes, it is because of the rise of its value, it is like buying expensive coffee then. :D To OP, I guess you better convert your bitcoin into fiat and make some transaction using your fiat money so the it will not be that expensive in your part.

I don't use bitcoin as a digital currency anymore because as you said, the fees is getting too high, sometimes more than paypal if the transcation amount is not much. And did you have to wait for confirmation until they give you the coffee? or did they accept zero confirmation?

The coffee shop here near from my house accepts bitcoin as a payment also in buying a coffee and they did accept bitcoin even it doesn't have a confirmation yet as long as they see that they are already receiving the bitcoin then they already confirmed it and you can enjoy your coffee without worrying about the confirmation.

Bitcoin is created as p2p payment system but anyone knows that is not appropriate for microtransactions. Unfortunately as time passes network fees will be raised because the block reward will be decreased after any halving. So people have get to use different payment mediums for anything they want to buy. Cash or a credit card would be a better way to buy a cup of coffee than bitcoins. Therefore there is none to wonder how to buy from coffee shop with his paypal account.

Considering the problem of raising fees, I guess time has come when an Altcoin pops up and takes a position of Junior. In my opinion Dogecoin is best alternative. People should start using Dogecoins for micro-payment while macro-payments could still be in hands of Bitcoin. It is the most effective mean at present and can save fees by 2000% !!

I think they don't want to accept bitcoin anymore this means starbucks will no longer accept bitcoin as payment method hope that all starbucks on all over the country will implement this one for us to easy to pay with bitcoins.

You must be one of the few people who does this. Where I live, for example, there are not many possibilities for doing this.
If you are having such problems, I suggest you use your credit card, until things get right on Bitcoin side. Or you can opt for a Bitcoin debit card, but the fees will make things more difficult.

It is unacceptable for me to buy coffee for bitcoin. It seems to me that soon I can regret such a purchase. Because this is a non-rational waste of resources. Similarly, I will never buy any other everyday goods for bitcoins

It does not make sense to pay with bitcoin for orders that are shorter than 30 minutes. Because the payment will be confirmed within 10 minutes at the earliest.
It is currently not possible to pay with bitcoin for fast-food consumption like coffee.

That are the problems that bitcoin face on global scale. How we can use bitcoin at the moment if we have so many little problems, and on top of that we need to wait for confirmation or we need to pay extremely high fee to avoid that.
If dev's wish bitcoin to be used for everyday needs they will need to fix this problems and they really need to see about this fees, it will be not so good if they rise more, even now they are high.

The sad thing is that at this point even if you fully try to get everyone you know to use Bitcoin, most people really don't care for a lot of the stuff that bitcoin can offer. Some people try to say that Bitcoin is anonymous and hard to trace (we know this isn't true) but even on that tangent. What normal person in the world really cares about who knows where there money is going?

Or the part about Bitcoin being close to instantly also isn't true at all, we pay a disgusting amount in fees (50 cents or so) on a Coffee which at the most should be costing around $5 (Starbucks I'm going on here) that means your paying an extra 10 percent then tax just to use this weird crypto.

Most people just want to use cash or a credit card, much easier and cheaper for them.

Once we fix the scaling issues, MAYBE it could be used for Coffee but I still doubt it.

I think bitcoin not only been created for investment or trading purposes only. Like money in general, bitcoin created to facilitate people in transactions such as buying and selling. And buy goods with bitcoin I think the common thing to happen. Buying coffee with bitcoin maybe can not be done by any user bitcoin, due to the bitcoin development in each country is different. So buy coffee with bitcoin become unnatural for other bitcoin users. Thank you

Yeah, right? Because why do we need to spend bitcoin to buy a coffee if we can use fiat, is this a way to shout out to the world that we have bitcoins and others don't have? Well, we don't have to be this way, we should be low key as always, be humble, and not use bitcoin on everything where we want to, use it where you think it is worth to be use.

And I would rather spend my fiat just to buy a lot of coffee and save my bitcoin to have profits in the long run.

Well xapo doesnt charge any fees to transactions between their accounts, and if you dont like it you can try poloniex since their fee keeps  being 10k satoshis, soo you can keeo drinking you coffee as before just choose the processors able to keep you happy.

There is a big problem about bitcoin not being used for micropayments, because that may cause people seek for other solution, but not in the #1 cryptocurrency, but in some altcoins.
If SegWit won't be implemented, bitcoin volume can go slightly lower, because the people will look for some altcoins which basically allow sending small transactions (bitcoin does too, but the fee is too high) which is going to get confirmed fast.

I hope we will find some way to fix the current way of blockchain work, because sometimes the traffic is really huge, and is really annoying for everybody using transaction system ( maybe except miners :))

It is simple why we may want to pay for coffee with bitcoin, because we want and because we should be able to do it, I can do that with fiat whether I’m using cash or a debit card or even a gift card, so it is obvious we want to do the same with bitcoin even if it is not the optimal way to use it.

I agree with you, if BTC is money, it should buy anything that fiat buys. Since a candy until a plane! But we must understand for now that it's not possible, what doesn't mean it won't be in the future. I think we can't exclude the possibility to buy cheap things with BTCs, because it can be a way to introduce more people into the Crypto Currency world.

You can buy Starbucks with Bitcoin today.
Go to https://coffee.foldapp.com/. Using Bitcoin, buy a $10 Starbucks gift card (with a 10% discount!)
Apparently, the Fold transaction requires 0 confirmations, so you can have your gift card in minutes.
And, you can do it anonymously. (It keeps a cookie in your browser to remember your Starbucks gift card.)

there are a lot of vendors on localbitcoins that sell gift cards at discounts, some of them huge discounts

sadly most of them are for US only  :'(

This problem because people in rush to get their transaction to be confirmed as soon as possible by adding more fee, so yes ; low fee transaction more likely won't ever be included in blockchain block. The days for spending bitcoin for pennies has ended as bitcoin price reach ATH this year. Who want to buy a cup of coffee but have to add another $1 for fee but it takes longer time to receive.

And worst, transaction fee is way more expensive than a coffee order here in our country.  It would be funny if you spend more on the transaction than on the goods that you bought.  Only and insane person can accept that.  But I think we just need to wait, developer is aware of all of this thing, and am sure there will be a fix for this, the only problem is when.  But rest assured, we can enjoy buying coffee again with bitcoin in the future.