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Title: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: lockept93 on April 11, 2017, 10:23:09 PM
I wonder that one of the most used features in forums and communities is not in use on bitcointalk.
It would be nice to vote up good posts and downgrade bad ones.

I think there is a reason why its not esed here - what is it?
What did u say?


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: layoutph on April 11, 2017, 11:00:26 PM
Thumbs up for site's activity algorithm, this prevent someone from becoming Legendary level in no time.

Thumbs down for site's appearance, no logo, no customization, no social media accounts.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: Yakamoto on April 11, 2017, 11:22:39 PM
I wonder that one of the most used features in forums and communities is not in use on bitcointalk.
It would be nice to vote up good posts and downgrade bad ones.

I think there is a reason why its not esed here - what is it?
What did u say?
No, we don't need a like/dislike button for Bitcointalk. It takes away from people who have to go and actually form their own opinions, and issues that have divided stances (like segwit v BU v core right now) would just end up with people becoming +1 or -1 based entirely on their stance on an issue, and some users would be willing to go and like or dislike all the other posts of a user because of small spats that they have online.

Hell, why would you just want to see a like or dislike on a post? This is a forum, and it's not like you have to be smart. Your trust will speak more about who you are and how you work than just having some likes or dislikes. I can be dumb as a brick but if I can be an effective escrow service and be 100% accurate and efficient with business I do, then that's more important than my likes.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: bettercrypto on April 11, 2017, 11:27:39 PM
Thumbs up for site's activity algorithm, this prevent someone from becoming Legendary level in no time.

Thumbs down for site's appearance, no logo, no customization, no social media accounts.

I do like the activity algorithm to but this is easily counter by buying an account so thumbs down on allowing account sales.  I also like the segregation of topic specially in marketplace.  It makes the section easy to browse and find a specific goods we are interested with.  I like the reputation thing but dislike those who abuse it,


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: mrcash02 on April 11, 2017, 11:28:28 PM
I wonder that one of the most used features in forums and communities is not in use on bitcointalk.
It would be nice to vote up good posts and downgrade bad ones.

I think there is a reason why its not esed here - what is it?
What did u say?

I already tought about it once and I think it's a nice idea. Sometimes you don't have what to write, what to say, but you would like to agree with someone or thanks someone, so you don't need to post only a "thank you so much", you can have a button that replaces it.

I believe nobody here leads their own opinion based on others likes and dislikes. It's not because I saw a post with 200 dislikes that I will disagree with the post content, vice versa.

I just think this thread should be posted on Meta section, as discussions about forum itself are done there.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: Windpower on April 11, 2017, 11:36:38 PM
I wonder that one of the most used features in forums and communities is not in use on bitcointalk.
It would be nice to vote up good posts and downgrade bad ones.

I think there is a reason why its not esed here - what is it?
What did u say?
No, we don't need a like/dislike button for Bitcointalk. It takes away from people who have to go and actually form their own opinions, and issues that have divided stances (like segwit v BU v core right now) would just end up with people becoming +1 or -1 based entirely on their stance on an issue, and some users would be willing to go and like or dislike all the other posts of a user because of small spats that they have online.

Hell, why would you just want to see a like or dislike on a post? This is a forum, and it's not like you have to be smart. Your trust will speak more about who you are and how you work than just having some likes or dislikes. I can be dumb as a brick but if I can be an effective escrow service and be 100% accurate and efficient with business I do, then that's more important than my likes.
I definitely agree with you that there shouldn't be a like or dislike button. This would just deter people from posting their own opinions and instead just copy the more popular responses. Instead, I think that we should just have an up-vote button. This would mean that the more well thought out responses would be at the top of the topic and the more spammy posts would be at the bottom so that people wouldn't have to read them. No down-vote button should be implemented.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on April 11, 2017, 11:47:11 PM
We have new forum software that will do all of that for you and more. It should be ready any day now. LOL


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: Pearls Before Swine on April 11, 2017, 11:47:59 PM
I wonder that one of the most used features in forums and communities is not in use on bitcointalk.
It would be nice to vote up good posts and downgrade bad ones.

I think there is a reason why its not esed here - what is it?
What did u say?
No, we don't need a like/dislike button for Bitcointalk. It takes away from people who have to go and actually form their own opinions, and issues that have divided stances (like segwit v BU v core right now) would just end up with people becoming +1 or -1 based entirely on their stance on an issue, and some users would be willing to go and like or dislike all the other posts of a user because of small spats that they have online.

Hell, why would you just want to see a like or dislike on a post? This is a forum, and it's not like you have to be smart. Your trust will speak more about who you are and how you work than just having some likes or dislikes. I can be dumb as a brick but if I can be an effective escrow service and be 100% accurate and efficient with business I do, then that's more important than my likes.
I disagree with the above, and I agree with the suggestion put forth by OP.  I think it would be very useful if this forum had such a function.  All the cool kids are doing it, you know.  Whether it's absolutely essential or not is hard to argue, but it would enhance this community a bit.  I'm surprised to see so much vehement disapproval.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: naville on April 11, 2017, 11:48:29 PM
I wonder that one of the most used features in forums and communities is not in use on bitcointalk.
It would be nice to vote up good posts and downgrade bad ones.

I think there is a reason why its not esed here - what is it?
What did u say?
No, we don't need a like/dislike button for Bitcointalk. It takes away from people who have to go and actually form their own opinions, and issues that have divided stances (like segwit v BU v core right now) would just end up with people becoming +1 or -1 based entirely on their stance on an issue, and some users would be willing to go and like or dislike all the other posts of a user because of small spats that they have online.

Hell, why would you just want to see a like or dislike on a post? This is a forum, and it's not like you have to be smart. Your trust will speak more about who you are and how you work than just having some likes or dislikes. I can be dumb as a brick but if I can be an effective escrow service and be 100% accurate and efficient with business I do, then that's more important than my likes.
I definitely agree with you that there shouldn't be a like or dislike button. This would just deter people from posting their own opinions and instead just copy the more popular responses. Instead, I think that we should just have an up-vote button. This would mean that the more well thought out responses would be at the top of the topic and the more spammy posts would be at the bottom so that people wouldn't have to read them. No down-vote button should be implemented.
agreed, but we dont need both button though


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: Yakamoto on April 12, 2017, 12:08:14 AM
I wonder that one of the most used features in forums and communities is not in use on bitcointalk.
It would be nice to vote up good posts and downgrade bad ones.

I think there is a reason why its not esed here - what is it?
What did u say?
No, we don't need a like/dislike button for Bitcointalk. It takes away from people who have to go and actually form their own opinions, and issues that have divided stances (like segwit v BU v core right now) would just end up with people becoming +1 or -1 based entirely on their stance on an issue, and some users would be willing to go and like or dislike all the other posts of a user because of small spats that they have online.

Hell, why would you just want to see a like or dislike on a post? This is a forum, and it's not like you have to be smart. Your trust will speak more about who you are and how you work than just having some likes or dislikes. I can be dumb as a brick but if I can be an effective escrow service and be 100% accurate and efficient with business I do, then that's more important than my likes.
I disagree with the above, and I agree with the suggestion put forth by OP.  I think it would be very useful if this forum had such a function.  All the cool kids are doing it, you know.  Whether it's absolutely essential or not is hard to argue, but it would enhance this community a bit.  I'm surprised to see so much vehement disapproval.
Then you obviously haven't seen just how "effective" this type of feature is on various online forums, now have you?

Look at Reddit. The single best example for this entire system.

If you speak from the narrative, or you don't agree with the popular opinion, you just get downvoted. No explanations, no debates, it's just "No, I'm right, and these internet points prove how much people agree with me, so I'm right", leading to an appeal to popularity and bandwagon logical fallacies.

As for all the cool kids are doing it, that's actually not true anymore. Facebook (and by extension its like feature) is on the decline, and 4Chan (despite the cesspool of bullshit, thanks to being entirely free-speech-based and every posts existing on its merit alone) is on the rise, however it will never get as big as Facebook for obvious reasons. Snapchat doesn't have a like or dislike feature, but that's the new cool thing.

Like/dislike functions take away from legitimate discussion. If people can just say "I don't like what you think, here's a -1" and never be required to explain why, that's what it becomes. Hell, just look at reddit's /r/politics if you want to see this in play. If you don't agree with the narrative, expect hundreds of downvotes, but only maybe a half-dozen individual responses.

There is no enhancement beyond people declaring "look at how many likes I have" and just becomes another extension of attention whorishness. All it means is that more people agree with them, regardless if they're right or wrong. It's an appeal to popularity, and will make users believe that they are better than other users much like how the quantity of Facebook friends would inflate egos just under a decade ago.

Going back to what I said in my earlier post, there are many instances on this forum where I have seen two users get pissy at each other for something that happened in another thread. Like/dislike buttons can lead to just serial dislikes easily. Again, see reddit as an example for this.

TL;DR It inflates egos, does not enhance anything beyond making it easier to appeal to popularity, and takes away from discussion and debate by simplifying discussions into "no, I don't like that. -1" while there are more complexities to be had.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: AngryDwarf on April 12, 2017, 12:08:39 AM
Comment re-ordering on a linear topic would make those topics senseless to read. Reddit, for example allows responses to comments in a tree like fashion. I'm still not convinced that re-ordering based on likes/dislikes is always a good idea in a tree based system, as comments could be based on knowledge acquired from other tree branches.
Dislikes I am against. People should make reasoned arguments against why they think someones assertion is wrong or misleading. It's just open for abuse by indoctrinated people.
Likes I am not sure about. Sure, it is good way of showing that you agree with someones views without adding inane waffle. However, some people just want positive confirmation just to make them feel good, which is not always appropriate for a debate. It can also be abused by indoctrinated people.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: darkangel11 on April 12, 2017, 12:18:50 AM
Thumbs up for site's activity algorithm, this prevent someone from becoming Legendary level in no time.

Thumbs down for site's appearance, no logo, no customization, no social media accounts.

I do like the activity algorithm to but this is easily counter by buying an account so thumbs down on allowing account sales.  I also like the segregation of topic specially in marketplace.  It makes the section easy to browse and find a specific goods we are interested with.  I like the reputation thing but dislike those who abuse it,
Account sales are close to impossible to track, because how would you? You'd have to block people from changing emails and passwords, but then if someone forgot it they'd lose the account.
If you really want to give thumbs down add things like now way of changing forum appearance. Things like that were widely available years ago, but here it's grey or nothing.
I'd be happy to see any improvements , including likes/upvotes, that feature which shows new posts without refreshing the site would be nice too.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: lockept93 on April 12, 2017, 12:29:50 AM
I still think voting up posts here would be very helpfully. It also can be a +1 or something and a counter in every profile.

At least downvotes can easy show for everybody whats totally wrong or scam.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: chennan on April 12, 2017, 12:38:14 AM
Thumbs up for site's activity algorithm, this prevent someone from becoming Legendary level in no time.

Thumbs down for site's appearance, no logo, no customization, no social media accounts.

I actually really like the minimalist design of this forum.  It functions perfectly well and does what it needs to do which is to be a place to discuss cryptocurrencies. 

It just always seems like when a website tries to get too fancy with it's website design, the functionality of the site always goes down. 



Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: franky1 on April 12, 2017, 12:44:27 AM
+- voting just ends up with the guys with multiple accounts and people of particular teams all chipping in to self gratify and pretend it means they are correct.

it then leads away from people actually reading the content and then going out to research themselves to find the truth. but instead people becoming lazy thinking "it must be true he has +50"

for instance, on facebook. when you see the news feeds people think its real that celebrity X has died, simply because the article has over 1mill shares.
leading to another 1mill posts of condolences.. meanwhile celebrity X is alive.

where as posts highlighting celebrity X being alive, get little to no response


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: Mometaskers on April 12, 2017, 02:52:15 AM
I don't think this would do anything for the forum. Maybe just allow people to post reactions like that on FB. Rather than just allow people to spam reactions indiscriminately, maybe allow them to only do that after they have posted a reply.

Which brings me to another thing I would like to see implemented... allowing us to at least get notifications whenever we get quoted. Right now the only way to check if someone reacted to my comments is to go to my profile, and open each post to check the thread to see if anyone quoted me.

+- voting just ends up with the guys with multiple accounts and people of particular teams all chipping in to self gratify and pretend it means they are correct.

it then leads away from people actually reading the content and then going out to research themselves to find the truth. but instead people becoming lazy thinking "it must be true he has +50"

for instance, on facebook. when you see the news feeds people think its real that celebrity X has died, simply because the article has over 1mill shares.
leading to another 1mill posts of condolences.. meanwhile celebrity X is alive.

where as posts highlighting celebrity X being alive, get little to no response

You nailed it. It would probably just exploit people's herd mentality.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: BCTBF on April 12, 2017, 03:11:23 AM
I think bitcointalk not have any mistakes and I really like being in bitcointalk and be part of the bitcointalk forum.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: Coding Enthusiast on April 12, 2017, 05:12:25 AM
I thought I saw this feature somewhere back in the old days!
Here you go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264337.0
I have no feedback on it though, since I have never used it.

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BT++ includes:
Configuration for nearly all the features
Up/downvote people (requires a BT++ password)
See the total score of people
Like/dislike posts
A chat
A Bitcoin ticker, using your own source/currency
Hide threads
Add your own CSS file
Display the real target domain next to each link (helps against phishing)
Link to threads links directly to the last read post
Auto-format Bitcoin addresses and txids
New "upload image" button in the reply form
Auto-refresh current page


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: Joel_Jantsen on April 12, 2017, 11:16:31 AM
Thumbs up for site's activity algorithm, this prevent someone from becoming Legendary level in no time.
That's not it.You should see other algorithms theymos uses for various other activities like the Trust System.Some next level programming stuff.Putting the activity and posts counts for ranking up is fairly easy.The most complicated stuff actually happens behind the screen.

Thumbs down for site's appearance, no logo, no customization, no social media accounts.
Who cares ? Welcome to the nerd nation.We prefer  terminal and commands over drag and drop anyday!


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: btvGainer on April 12, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
I wonder that one of the most used features in forums and communities is not in use on bitcointalk.
It would be nice to vote up good posts and downgrade bad ones.

I think there is a reason why its not esed here - what is it?
What did u say?
No, we don't need a like/dislike button for Bitcointalk. It takes away from people who have to go and actually form their own opinions, and issues that have divided stances (like segwit v BU v core right now) would just end up with people becoming +1 or -1 based entirely on their stance on an issue, and some users would be willing to go and like or dislike all the other posts of a user because of small spats that they have online.

Hell, why would you just want to see a like or dislike on a post? This is a forum, and it's not like you have to be smart. Your trust will speak more about who you are and how you work than just having some likes or dislikes. I can be dumb as a brick but if I can be an effective escrow service and be 100% accurate and efficient with business I do, then that's more important than my likes.
I am also against the idea of like and dislike button.If you like someone's post simply thank him by quoting his post.Like and dislike button will begin unnecessary competition between users to get more likes to their posts.
It may also encourage buying or selling likes like fb likes are sold.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: BitHodler on April 12, 2017, 12:19:25 PM
I am also against the idea of like and dislike button.If you like someone's post simply thank him by quoting his post.Like and dislike button will begin unnecessary competition between users to get more likes to their posts.
It may also encourage buying or selling likes like fb likes are sold.
There is no particular point into quoting someone when you like his post, while you have nothing to say that is pointed at when he or the OP stated.

Other than that, it is indeed a bad thing to allow people to like or dislike posts. In the same way that polls here are useless, that directly goes up for likes and dislikes as well.

I probably don't have to point anyone at the massive armies of farmed accounts. If people like a certain post in the way that it is helpful, then you can tip that person if you feel generous.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: Zicadis on April 12, 2017, 01:04:53 PM
I am also against the idea of like and dislike button.If you like someone's post simply thank him by quoting his post.Like and dislike button will begin unnecessary competition between users to get more likes to their posts.
It may also encourage buying or selling likes like fb likes are sold.
There is no particular point into quoting someone when you like his post, while you have nothing to say that is pointed at when he or the OP stated.
in this particular case a simple like button could be handy in expressing support for the piece of information shared in a fast manner as compared to typing your support

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Other than that, it is indeed a bad thing to allow people to like or  dislike posts. In the same way that polls here are useless, that directly goes up for likes and dislikes as well.
totally agree, having people dislike posts will deter members from sharing valuable opinions or ideas and will also be as good as been negative(red) tagged if you have so many dislikes ::)



Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: SniX030 on April 13, 2017, 11:10:52 PM
I like the idea of voting up posts. Would be a good filter through all these levelup-gathering-postings.
If i think about all these scamming sites presented in self-moderated threads, where the scammer can delete post from users warning and newbies fall for it cause they never heard something about a trust-system in a forum and actually don't think about it in first time.

I think too many people here don't like to change a running system and are afraid about. But i think sometimes also a forum like bct should move forward and should be open for new features and possibilities.

What i also miss here is a survey feature.


Maybe only for high members, but there should be one.



Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: lockept93 on April 18, 2017, 09:37:42 PM
Give a counting thanks for a post would be also great.
I don't understand why it will be bad for this forum if you can vote up threads or single posts.
If there is an option to disable it - i see no problem about this.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on April 18, 2017, 10:48:25 PM
Give a counting thanks for a post would be also great.
I don't understand why it will be bad for this forum if you can vote up threads or single posts.
If there is an option to disable it - i see no problem about this.


What if signature campaign operators made it a condition that their "employees" only upvote people with their signature. There would never be a thread with anything valuable at the top.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: Yohji Yamamoto on April 19, 2017, 06:22:53 AM
Dislike we can't reset our passwords through email, it is a necessary feature in almost every modern site.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: jacee on April 19, 2017, 06:35:21 AM
Dislike we can't reset our passwords through email, it is a necessary feature in almost every modern site.
Actually you can. Compared to other sites tho it is handled manually. You can to reset your password through proving that you own the email plus if you can provide a signed message. Imo it is more secured than letting it be reset automatically because there may be cases that the email are compromised and a signed message is necessary to rove ownership of the account.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: Jet Cash on April 19, 2017, 08:54:28 AM

I like the site's appearance with no logo, no customization, no social media accounts.

I don't like account sales, and sig spammers. Also, I think the massive emphasis on gambling, and other sites that promote services that the general public will relate to ponzis, frauds and other undesirable practices doesn't help Bitcoin acceptance.


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: snipie on April 20, 2017, 01:14:36 AM
I wonder that one of the most used features in forums and communities is not in use on bitcointalk.
It would be nice to vote up good posts and downgrade bad ones.

I think there is a reason why its not esed here - what is it?
What did u say?

Take a look here
Bitcoin Forum > Other > Meta > New forum software
Can we like a post / by vod
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622992.0


Title: Re: Likes and dislikes on Bitcointalk?
Post by: pecson134 on April 20, 2017, 01:53:39 PM
Like what other says, I like how the site prevents someone from reaching the legendary ranks by using the activity post system. They prevent anyone from spamming the boards by making multiple account. What I dislike is the Trust/Distrust that one can assign to a certain person through objective reasons not some subjective, bias and with baseless grounds.