Bitcoin Forum

Does anyone have contact info for the owner of Blockbet.net?  I am owed 172.1 BTC for 8 winning wagers placed last Saturday.  The site went offline early Sunday morning.

Wow- How many bets did you make that day?

I had 15 bets total on the day.

I'm down around 100BTC overall since starting betting with Blockbet.net in March after hearing a few months of positive reports.  This theft is just unconscionable.

    Domain WHOIS Look-up

    Whois lookup for Blockbet.net.
    [Querying whois.internic.net]
    [Redirected to whois.webnic.cc]
    [Querying whois.webnic.cc]
    [whois.internic.net]

    Whois Server Version 2.0

    Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
    with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
    for detailed information.

    Domain Name: BLOCKBET.NET
    Registrar: WEB COMMERCE COMMUNICATIONS LIMITED DBA WEBNIC.CC
    Whois Server: whois.webnic.cc
    Referral URL: http://www.webnic.cc
    Name Server: NS1.OFFSHOREDNS.CO
    Name Server: NS2.OFFSHOREDNS.CO
    Name Server: NS3.OFFSHOREDNS.CO
    Name Server: NS4.OFFSHOREDNS.CO
    Status: clientDeleteProhibited
    Status: clientTransferProhibited
    Status: clientUpdateProhibited
    Updated Date: 29-dec-2012
    Creation Date: 29-dec-2012
    Expiration Date: 29-dec-2013

    >>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 01:13:52 UTC <<<

    NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
    registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
    currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
    date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
    registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
    view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.

    TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whois
    database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and
    automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or
    modify existing registrations; the Data in VeriSign Global Registry
    Services' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign for
    information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information
    about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not
    guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abide
    by the following terms of use: You agree that you may use this Data only
    for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data
    to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
    unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone,
    or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
    that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation,
    repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly
    prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. You agree not to
    use electronic processes that are automated and high-volume to access or
    query the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to register
    domain names or modify existing registrations. VeriSign reserves the right
    to restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensure
    operational stability. VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to the
    Whois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSign
    reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.

    The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
    Registrars.[whois.webnic.cc]

    The Data in Web Commerce Communications Limited ("WEBCC")'s WHOIS database
    is provided by WEBCC for information purposes, and to assist in obtaining
    information about or related to a domain name registration record. WEBCC
    does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree
    that you will use this Data only for lawful purposes and that, under no
    circumstances will you use this Data to:

    (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited,
    commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail (spam).
    (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to WEBCC
    (or its systems).

    The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is
    expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of WEBCC. WEBCC
    reserves the right to terminate your access to the WEBCC WHOIS database in
    its sole discretion, including without limitation, for excessive querying
    of the WHOIS database or for failure to otherwise abide by this policy.
    WEBCC reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.


    Domain: Blockbet.net
    Status: Protected

    DNS:
    ns1.offshoredns.co
    ns2.offshoredns.co
    ns3.offshoredns.co
    ns4.offshoredns.co

    Created: 2012-12-29 21:32:11
    Expires: 2013-12-29 13:32:10
    Last Modified: 2012-12-29 21:32:08

    Registrant Contact:
    CINIPAC IBC
    Team CINIPAC WHOIS PROTECTION Team CINIPAC WHOIS PROTECTION (abuse@cinipac.com)
    Unit No C-6-25 Centrio, Pantai Hillpark, No 1 Jalan Pantai Murni Pantai Hillpark
    Kuala Lumpur, Kuala Lumpur, my 59200
    P: +1.2024701095 F: +0.0

    Administrative Contact:
    CINIPAC IBC
    Team CINIPAC WHOIS PROTECTION Team CINIPAC WHOIS PROTECTION (abuse@cinipac.com)
    Unit No C-6-25 Centrio, Pantai Hillpark, No 1 Jalan Pantai Murni Pantai Hillpark
    Kuala Lumpur, Kuala Lumpur, my 59200
    P: +1.2024701095 F: +0.0

    Technical Contact:
    CINIPAC IBC
    Team CINIPAC WHOIS PROTECTION Team CINIPAC WHOIS PROTECTION (abuse@cinipac.com)
    Unit No C-6-25 Centrio, Pantai Hillpark, No 1 Jalan Pantai Murni Pantai Hillpark
    Kuala Lumpur, Kuala Lumpur, my 59200
    P: +1.2024701095 F: +0.0

    Billing Contact:
    CINIPAC IBC
    Team CINIPAC WHOIS PROTECTION Team CINIPAC WHOIS PROTECTION (abuse@cinipac.com)
    Unit No C-6-25 Centrio, Pantai Hillpark, No 1 Jalan Pantai Murni Pantai Hillpark
    Kuala Lumpur, Kuala Lumpur, my 59200
    P: +1.2024701095 F: +0.0

Hope you get your coins back, best of luck to you.

are you conveniently forgetting to mention he refunded your bet??? or did he not do that????

ns1.offshoredns.co    46.17.101.159
   
ns2.offshoredns.co    109.235.51.181
   
ns3.offshoredns.co    193.107.16.231
   
ns4.offshoredns.co    94.185.84.77

46.17.101.159
% This is the RIPE Database query service.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
%
% The RIPE Database is subject to Terms and Conditions.
% See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf

% Note: this output has been filtered.
%       To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.

% Information related to '46.17.96.0 - 46.17.103.255'

inetnum:        46.17.96.0 - 46.17.103.255
netname:        RU-HOSTKEY-20101018
descr:          Mir Telematiki Ltd
country:        RU
org:            ORG-MTL21-RIPE
admin-c:        PC7356-RIPE
tech-c:         PC7356-RIPE
tech-c:         PC7356-RIPE
status:         ALLOCATED PA
mnt-by:         RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
mnt-lower:      MTLM-MNT
mnt-routes:     MTLM-MNT
remarks:        abuse-mailbox: abuse@hostkey.com
source:         RIPE # Filtered

organisation:   ORG-MTL21-RIPE
org-name:       Mir Telematiki Ltd
org-type:       LIR
address:        Mir Telematiki Ltd Petr Chayanov Lva Tolstogo, 19/2 119021 Moscow RUSSIAN FEDERATION
phone:          +74992463587
fax-no:         +74992463587
mnt-ref:        MTLM-MNT
mnt-ref:        RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
mnt-by:         RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

person:         Peter Chayanov
address:        Moscow, Russia
phone:          +7 499 246 3587
nic-hdl:        PC7356-RIPE
mnt-by:         MTLM-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

% Information related to '46.17.101.0/24AS49335'

route:          46.17.101.0/24
descr:          NCONNECT-NET direct announce
origin:         AS49335
mnt-by:         MTLM-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

109.235.51.181
% This is the RIPE Database query service.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
%
% The RIPE Database is subject to Terms and Conditions.
% See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf

% Note: this output has been filtered.
%       To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.

% Information related to '109.235.50.0 - 109.235.51.255'

inetnum:        109.235.50.0 - 109.235.51.255
netname:        XENEUROPE
descr:          xenEurope VPS Services www.xeneurope.com
country:        NL
admin-c:        SBT10-RIPE
tech-c:         SBT10-RIPE
status:         ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by:         NETROUTING-MNT
mnt-lower:      NETROUTING-MNT
mnt-routes:     NETROUTING-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

person:         S Bout
address:        Handelsweg 8
address:        2404 CD Alphen a/d Rijn
address:        The Netherlands
phone:          +31 172 720 135
abuse-mailbox:  abuse@netrouting.com
nic-hdl:        SBT10-RIPE
mnt-by:         NETROUTING-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

% Information related to '109.235.48.0/21AS47869'

route:          109.235.48.0/21
descr:          Netrouting Route Object
origin:         AS47869
mnt-by:         NETROUTING-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

% This query was served by the RIPE Database Query Service version 1.60.2 (WHOIS2)

193.107.16.231
% This is the RIPE Database query service.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
%
% The RIPE Database is subject to Terms and Conditions.
% See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf

% Note: this output has been filtered.
%       To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.

% Information related to '193.107.16.0 - 193.107.19.255'

inetnum:        193.107.16.0 - 193.107.19.255
netname:        IDEALSOLUTION
descr:          Ideal Solution Ltd
country:        SC
org:            ORG-IS106-RIPE
admin-c:        IS300-RIPE
tech-c:         IS300-RIPE
status:         ASSIGNED PI
mnt-by:         RIPE-NCC-END-MNT
mnt-by:         IDEAL-MNT
mnt-lower:      RIPE-NCC-END-MNT
mnt-routes:     IDEAL-MNT
mnt-domains:    IDEAL-MNT
mnt-routes:     RU-WEBALTA-MNT
mnt-routes:     OCOM-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

organisation:   ORG-IS106-RIPE
org-name:       Ideal Solution Ltd
org-type:       OTHER
address:        Sound & Vision House, Francis Rachel Str.
address:        Victoria, Mahe, Seychelles
address:        PO box 355
address:        IP networks can be routed to different countries
remarks:        emergency or sales contact in different language available
remarks:
remarks:        Egypt contact (tel): (010) 428-71-91
remarks:        Russia contact (tel/fax):  (495) 540-43-24
remarks:
phone:          +248 225521
mnt-ref:        IDEAL-MNT
mnt-by:         IDEAL-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

role:           Ideal Solution NOC
address:        Sound & Vision House, Francis Rachel Str.
address:        Victoria, Mahe, Seychelles
remarks:        ***************************************
remarks:        This is Ideal-Solution.org and 2x4.RU Hosting IP network
remarks:        - Shared and virtual hosting services
remarks:        - Virtual and Dedicated Servers
remarks:        - Adminstraion and programming
remarks:        - Telecomunications
remarks:        ***************************************
remarks:        other information:
remarks:        - nothing
remarks:        ***************************************
remarks:        in case of ABUSE or active issues please contact us
remarks:        abuse/administrative email: ideal.solutions.org@gmail.com
remarks:        ***************************************
phone:          +248 225521
abuse-mailbox:  ideal.solutions.org@gmail.com
admin-c:        UDF669-RIPE
tech-c:         UDF669-RIPE
mnt-by:         IDEAL-MNT
nic-hdl:        IS300-RIPE
source:         RIPE # Filtered

% Information related to '193.107.16.0/24AS58001'

route:          193.107.16.0/24
descr:          Ideal Solution
origin:         AS58001
mnt-by:         IDEAL-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

% This query was served by the RIPE Database Query Service version 1.60.2 (WHOIS4)

94.185.84.77
% This is the RIPE Database query service.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
%
% The RIPE Database is subject to Terms and Conditions.
% See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf

% Note: this output has been filtered.
%       To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.

% Information related to '94.185.84.0 - 94.185.84.255'

inetnum:        94.185.84.0 - 94.185.84.255
netname:        NETROUTING-IP
descr:          Netrouting Telecom Sweden
country:        SE
admin-c:        NN1175-RIPE
tech-c:         NN1175-RIPE
status:         ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by:         NETROUTING-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

person:         Netrouting NOC
org:            ORG-NA302-RIPE
address:        Boyleweg 2
address:        3208 KA Spijkenisse
address:        The Netherlands
phone:          +31 880454600
abuse-mailbox:  abuse@netrouting.com
nic-hdl:        NN1175-RIPE
mnt-by:         NETROUTING-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

% This query was served by the RIPE Database Query Service version 1.60.2 (WHOIS1)

Spare me your attitude.  He paid 0 BTC of 172.1 BTC owed on 8 winning wagers from Saturday.

Early Sunday, he did return 20 BTC in pending NBA first round series wagers.  This is unethical in itself, though obviously better than outright theft.

thank you kindly for mentioning it.

I'm curious why you find this relevant and what color the sky is in your world?

Thank you for mentioning it this time around

Yes, we have established that he stiffed 8 winning graded bets for 172.1 BTC and weaseled out of 2 booked pending bets for 20 BTC.

Go back to begging, pathetic little troll.

crying over a measly 170 bitcoins my sides

Fuck. Best of luck getting it sorted!

You trying to get on everyone's ignore list?


Henry,

I assume you PMed blockbet?  No answer?  Why did you wait a few days to come forward?  Have you opened a scam accusation thread?

I made some wagers on that last day.  The winners were paid.  I also received refunds on my NBA Series bets for the series that started on Sunday.  Maybe he paid what he could and ran out of BTC???  It seems strange that he would pay some customers and not others.

Anyone else who got stiffed needs to come forward now.  Blockbet mentioned that he was planning on pursuing other BTC related business ventures.  He needs to address this reported theft.

What were the max bets at BlockBet if any?

I can't see how anyone would bet more than 10BTC at a time without some serious reputation at a shop.

This theft accusation was reported on an online gambling site: http://news.rouletters.com/sports-betting-blockbet-net-closing-shop-0001264.html

I hope blockbet makes good. Bitcoin has had enough bad press due to all the scammers that it has seen. We don't need any more.

I PM'd him, emailed him, and sent messages via his site.  He did not respond.  You can see from his forum account that he hasn't logged on here since locking the Blockbet.net thread.  I gave him a few days to respond or settle before reporting.

I posted to the scam forum.

From my amateur sleuthing of blockexplorer, I noticed he did pay some smaller bets on Saturday.  It's pretty common in the sportsbook world to stiff only the largest players for obvious reasons.

As I said above, I'm DOWN over 100BTC betting with him.  Based on what I see of his action from the address histories, I was overwhelmingly his largest gambler.  This is absolutely not a case of him just going broke from getting beat and running away.  He flat out stole the coins.

Probably to start his exciting new Bitcoin opportunities!  Yay anonymity!

Definitely a black eye for the entire community, really hope you get paid.

There is a reason most people stick to the few established books, most of these places barely have 2 months experience let alone 2 years+

People thinking that making wagers by sending btc per bet is somehow safer than having accounts is clearly a joke. You must trust the operator period, end of story.

Thanks for the sentiment.  I've been stiffed for much more several times.  It was a likely outcome with this operator, I understood that risk.

Ceteris paribus, the Blockbet.net model is obviously safer for players than posting funds.  Surely you are not asserting otherwise.

I won't derail your thread - but yes, all else being equal posting up is just as safe, if not a safer model.

I've heard complaints about line changes with the guys running the 'send coins to bet xxxx' model. Send coins at one line, have it booked at another (typically worse) line.

The reason the post up model is just as safe, with a trusted bitcoin book that has automated deposits and withdrawals - is that many players post up, bet, and withdraw directly after a game. Rinse, repeat several times a day. Risk is exactly the same as the no-account model.

We're not talking about the dinosaur model of having to leave funds offshore because it's such a pain to fund.

Anyway, best of luck and please keep us updated on the situation!

 

Your argument is patently false and only gains any traction by ignoring the supposition "all else being equal."

Does the player gain security by adding the intermediate step of having his money held in a 3rd party account as opposed to wagering directly from his wallet?  OBVIOUSLY NOT, SOLVE BY INSPECTION!  Once again, surely you can't be so daft as to suggest otherwise.

You can say that a post-up book may effectively approximate the ad hoc approach by shifting onus to the player to request payouts after completion of each wager.  This only increases his relative risk by creating a barrier of inconvenience and tacitly grants that the post-up model is inherently less secure.

This is not an attack on your book.  (I have plenty of other things to criticize for that purpose.  ;) )  It is an argument from basic reason on a topic which is ultimately unimportant.

Did you read what he wrote?  He said that he has heard of people sending coins and then finding out later that they did not get the same line they thought they were betting.  This cannot happen with a post up shop.

I am not disagreeing with your overall argument.

I agree that this theft is another black eye on the bitcoin gambling industry.  I really hope he is just short of BTC right now, but is a man about it and comes back to pay his debt. 

It's not clear to me why he would stiff the one largest bettor.  Why not stiff all bettors?  He sent me 64 BTC on Sunday, and clearly (from this thread) he did not have to do that.  The fact he has gone AWOL looks very bad though.  I hope he's not a true piece of garbage and that he contacts you with some kind of payment plan.

I posted in your scam accusation thread asking that he be given a scammer tag, just in case he tries to come back here without paying.

lol, sure, pocket change

gl OP, I'm constantly worried the same thing could happen at one of the BTC sportsbooks I have funds on.  Hopefully Pinnacle or someone else reputable opens up a BTC operation

Of course this could happen at a post-up book.  They can and have done anything they wish, with the added leverage of holding more than your stake.  Not sure why you two are so desperately attempting to defend this preposterous position.

For a given bookmaker, you're seriously arguing that you would rather he hold your money than you hold your own money?  Lulz, the full-blown Stockholm Syndrome present among sports betting ploppies never ceases to amaze.

And coming from a guy with documented, posted panty-twistage over .1 BTC bets in pre-boom February.  Sad to say he fits right in to this forum.

Well after BetsofBitcoin stiffed everyone on the BFL bets, I'm not sure it's safe to trust any at the moment...

blockbet isn't a scammer, he was just a bit over his and got done in by good bettors and ran out of funds. The only thing he could do was return the bets else he'd of gone under completely and probably go bankrupt and lose his home or something. Its not like you actually lost money, yet you file a scam report. If he was scammer he wouldn't have even done that.

Instead of being mad about, feel good about you actually beating a book out with uyour leet betting skillz

well the only thing left is open up an account with bet365 or betfair or any of those that will not go under on big rollers wining streaks i bet in bitcoin sites becuase i have no chioce live in the us it is fuking hard to cash out

uo can tryu anonibet they're financially backed by pinnacle so they're gonna pay out. they are a bit slow but certainly faster than normal nonbtc methods.

where did you hear that Pinny backs anonibet? I don't think this is true, it's a different post up book.

Absolutely false.  That kid is a stone moron.

Wait, what?!

He didn't even have the decency to hire that Luke-jr sockpuppet like the betsofbitco.in scamsite. What world we live in.  :-\

So rude.

I appreciate the ignored user's idiotic trolling for keeping this thread atop the forum.

What a load of rubbish. When you open a sportsbook, or anything that offers a payout, then you should be ready to cover what you offer. They are still technically x bitcoins less well off than they woulda been if they had been paid out appropriately.

The fact that they refunded the bet shows decency on behalf of blockbet.net, however it still doesn't change the fact people have been cheated out of their money. Who the hell would have bet knowing that the bEST case scenario was getting their investment back, with the worst being they lose it all?

Sigh..

Blockbet.net didn't return anything on graded bets.  I placed 15 bets on Saturday totaling 150 BTC.  Net winnings were 22.1 BTC on those wagers, 172.1 BTC owed.

HE PAID ZERO, 0, NOTHING, NADA!

The 20BTC sent on Sunday was from 2 NBA futures bets which he cancelled before completion.

I was down over 100BTC betting with Blockbet.net before his theft and now over 250BTC after his theft.

This would obviously be a much smaller issue if he had simply (yet unethically) cancelled ALL wagers and returned the 150BTC that I put at risk on Saturday.

I'm surprised that Blockbet was losing. I also donated a lot to him.

Were you paid on any wagers from last Saturday?

He's a nice guy though I think you should give him a pass.

It was probably the only day that I hadn't bet with him since he started.

U run good

Shit this guy must be so cool and rich must have bitches just swimming all over him!

You're right.