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Title: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Alexzap on April 14, 2017, 05:36:36 PM
The democratic people's Republic with a population of 25 million people has the fourth largest army in the world. Thus, according to the portal of the Military Balance, the army of the DPRK has about 1 million people. In this country there is a mandatory call with 17 years men serve 10 years and women 3 years. North Korean armed forces may have 2500 tanks, mostly of Soviet manufacture, 21000 artillery and 563 combat aircraft. The exact number of missiles, entered service the army of the DPRK is no official data.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: criptix on April 14, 2017, 05:45:53 PM
The democratic people's Republic with a population of 25 million people has the fourth largest army in the world. Thus, according to the portal of the Military Balance, the army of the DPRK has about 1 million people. In this country there is a mandatory call with 17 years men serve 10 years and women 3 years. North Korean armed forces may have 2500 tanks, mostly of Soviet manufacture, 21000 artillery and 563 combat aircraft. The exact number of missiles, entered service the army of the DPRK is no official data.

They dont have enough food to feed their population. They have mostly soviet/cold war military equipment. The only thing they are good at is posturing behind their nuclear programme and china.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Lieldoryn on April 14, 2017, 05:59:52 PM
Approximately the same was the army of Saddam Hussein. Against the American army, it lasted 20 days. This is assuming that the Americans did not use the tactics of the damage, not to hurt civilians. I think that North Korea will be destroyed even faster.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: HabBear on April 14, 2017, 07:43:25 PM
The democratic people's Republic

That's an ironic statement...or is it oxymoronic.

Please, unless you live in North Korea, please don't refer to it as the "Democratic People's Republic"....it's not a Republic, there's no vote so it can't be Democratic, and Kim could give no fewer fucks about the people who live there.

Let's show some basic respect and decency for the people stuck in this awful dictatorship.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Oppolee on April 14, 2017, 08:01:20 PM
The democratic people's Republic

That's an ironic statement...or is it oxymoronic.

Please, unless you live in North Korea, please don't refer to it as the "Democratic People's Republic"....it's not a Republic, there's no vote so it can't be Democratic, and Kim could give no fewer fucks about the people who live there.

Let's show some basic respect and decency for the people stuck in this awful dictatorship.
Told the truth. Although there is nothing funny about it, but the words about a people's and even a democratic republic sound very strange! This is unrealistic.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Lancusters on April 14, 2017, 10:52:54 PM
The democratic people's Republic

That's an ironic statement...or is it oxymoronic.

Please, unless you live in North Korea, please don't refer to it as the "Democratic People's Republic"....it's not a Republic, there's no vote so it can't be Democratic, and Kim could give no fewer fucks about the people who live there.

Let's show some basic respect and decency for the people stuck in this awful dictatorship.
Told the truth. Although there is nothing funny about it, but the words about a people's and even a democratic republic sound very strange! This is unrealistic.
This is the most interesting. Why the democratic Republic of Korea is not democratic, and one of the most totalitarian, the Russians say that the world is ready to fight against fascism, but they built a fascist state.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: gabmen on April 15, 2017, 02:01:57 PM
Well even with that army and manpower, still it doesn't stand a chance if the us will proceed to get rid of kim. And i agree with the people here as to why is democratic when you hardly see any choice given to the people there. People are executed on a whim by the crazy kim, including high ranking officials. Highly possible that majority of the population would even be happy if kim is toppled


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Sithara007 on April 15, 2017, 03:00:51 PM
We don't need any published data to acknowledge that the North Korean Armed Forces is very powerful. They have a strength of more than 4 million personal, and are armed with advanced weaponry. Trump will be really stupid, if he want a direct war with the DPRK.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: criptix on April 15, 2017, 04:40:32 PM
North korean overpower.
They never sleep, they never get tired and the most important they never eat  :D


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Discovery 17 on April 15, 2017, 04:49:08 PM
We don't need any published data to acknowledge that the North Korean Armed Forces is very powerful. They have a strength of more than 4 million personal, and are armed with advanced weaponry. Trump will be really stupid, if he want a direct war with the DPRK.
The same was once said of Saddam Hussein. Where is he now? And could still live if not put itself above God. The same fate awaits Kim Jong-UN.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: grermezter on April 15, 2017, 05:48:48 PM
The main reason why North Korea has a high number of service personnel is because they don't want to get hungry most of the enlisted men are finding it hard to get a job and the best to care for themselves is in the military where they are at least guaranteed a meal and some money with which they can take care of their family. And apart from Nuclear weaponry most of the weapon are are from the soviet era.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Sakura_nakomoto on April 15, 2017, 08:42:27 PM
The main reason why North Korea has a high number of service personnel is because they don't want to get hungry most of the enlisted men are finding it hard to get a job and the best to care for themselves is in the military where they are at least guaranteed a meal and some money with which they can take care of their family. And apart from Nuclear weaponry most of the weapon are are from the soviet era.
All of them war technique only for the parade is good. Fight with them from morning till dinner. not more. But if there is a nuclear weapon, it's a monkey with a grenade.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: JengoFF_n0 on April 15, 2017, 09:49:29 PM
We don't need any published data to acknowledge that the North Korean Armed Forces is very powerful. They have a strength of more than 4 million personal, and are armed with advanced weaponry. Trump will be really stupid, if he want a direct war with the DPRK.
The same was once said of Saddam Hussein. Where is he now? And could still live if not put itself above God. The same fate awaits Kim Jong-UN.
As far as I understand history, the dictators of the modern world end their lives very badly. I have a few more in mind, but so far I will not voice the names.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: gentlemand on April 15, 2017, 10:14:21 PM
The same was once said of Saddam Hussein. Where is he now? And could still live if not put itself above God. The same fate awaits Kim Jong-UN.

And much of his army was a bunch of tubby chancers. The North Koreans are indoctrinated from birth. They're on a never ending war footing and they believe that the US has always been the ultimate evil.

They're a short cruise from Seoul and they have enough cannon fodder to throw away to cause an insane amount of damage.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Lancusters on April 15, 2017, 10:29:17 PM
The same was once said of Saddam Hussein. Where is he now? And could still live if not put itself above God. The same fate awaits Kim Jong-UN.

And much of his army was a bunch of tubby chancers. The North Koreans are indoctrinated from birth. They're on a never ending war footing and they believe that the US has always been the ultimate evil.

They're a short cruise from Seoul and they have enough cannon fodder to throw away to cause an insane amount of damage.
Cannon fodder won't help. The Americans will destroy targets from afar. When they destroy all the infrastructure, the army will surrender itself. You forget how they fled Saddam's army. The main thing that Trump doesn't.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: gentlemand on April 15, 2017, 10:32:46 PM
Cannon fodder won't help. The Americans will destroy targets from afar. When they destroy all the infrastructure, the army will surrender itself. You forget how they fled Saddam's army. The main thing that Trump doesn't.

Read up. The North Koreans are fucking psychos who would probably fight until the very last kitten. There is no parallel with anything Middle Eastern. The entire country is an engine for war.

They're constantly finding new invasion tunnels dug into South Korea. The countryside will be riddled with hides and bunkers. Even if there's no more command there would still be guerrilla fighting everywhere.

They may be tiny and have crap weapons but they're fuelled by pure, burning hatred.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Lancusters on April 15, 2017, 10:49:13 PM
Cannon fodder won't help. The Americans will destroy targets from afar. When they destroy all the infrastructure, the army will surrender itself. You forget how they fled Saddam's army. The main thing that Trump doesn't.

Read up. The North Koreans are fucking psychos who would probably fight until the very last kitten. There is no parallel with anything Middle Eastern. The entire country is an engine for war.

They're constantly finding new invasion tunnels dug into South Korea. The countryside will be riddled with hides and bunkers. Even if there's no more command there would still be guerrilla fighting everywhere.

They may be tiny and have crap weapons but they're fuelled by pure, burning hatred.
If the conduct war humanely then this war can last a long time, but if a powerful blow to destroy all strategic targets significant harm to the Koreans can't do. Then give the night to the women and children left the combat zone, and then destroy these bastards.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: criptix on April 15, 2017, 11:43:35 PM
Cannon fodder won't help. The Americans will destroy targets from afar. When they destroy all the infrastructure, the army will surrender itself. You forget how they fled Saddam's army. The main thing that Trump doesn't.

Read up. The North Koreans are fucking psychos who would probably fight until the very last kitten. There is no parallel with anything Middle Eastern. The entire country is an engine for war.

They're constantly finding new invasion tunnels dug into South Korea. The countryside will be riddled with hides and bunkers. Even if there's no more command there would still be guerrilla fighting everywhere.

They may be tiny and have crap weapons but they're fuelled by pure, burning hatred.

But americans never really cared about collateral dmg (south korea, japan).
That is the reason why south koreans and japanese are really scared about the US going in solo.
Retaliation would hit the South and then Japan.

That is why we need the chinese.
If the chinese would agree to work with the US both could probaly pacify north korea in less then one month.
Chinese and US special forces would take over nuclear missile silos while kim would be executed/sent into exile and replaced by a different leader.
The happy end would be a unification of north and south.



Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Tyrantt on April 16, 2017, 12:59:06 AM
Cannon fodder won't help. The Americans will destroy targets from afar. When they destroy all the infrastructure, the army will surrender itself. You forget how they fled Saddam's army. The main thing that Trump doesn't.

Read up. The North Koreans are fucking psychos who would probably fight until the very last kitten. There is no parallel with anything Middle Eastern. The entire country is an engine for war.

They're constantly finding new invasion tunnels dug into South Korea. The countryside will be riddled with hides and bunkers. Even if there's no more command there would still be guerrilla fighting everywhere.

They may be tiny and have crap weapons but they're fuelled by pure, burning hatred.

Too bad that fight wouldn't last that long, they may be war ready but their equipment is far from good for modern times. and if the war breaks out, they'd be in a rough position with enemy from all sides. Well you don't know how many of them would desert and surrender when they get the first chance.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Sithara007 on April 16, 2017, 03:50:50 AM
We don't need any published data to acknowledge that the North Korean Armed Forces is very powerful. They have a strength of more than 4 million personal, and are armed with advanced weaponry. Trump will be really stupid, if he want a direct war with the DPRK.
The same was once said of Saddam Hussein. Where is he now? And could still live if not put itself above God. The same fate awaits Kim Jong-UN.

Nope. Saddam had limited options at his disposal. He was supported only by the Sunni Arabs, who constituted for less than 20% of the Iraqi population. His armed forces couldn't expand to more than half a million personal. Also, his army was well short of quality equipment, as unlike the North Koreans, the military technology in Iraq wasn't very advanced.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Snail2 on April 16, 2017, 10:01:57 AM
The happy end would be a unification of north and south.

Unlikely. Neither the Chinese nor the Russians would be extremely happy with a close ally of the States on their doorstep instead of the current heavily fortified buffer zone.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Sithara007 on April 16, 2017, 11:04:08 AM
The happy end would be a unification of north and south.

Unlikely. Neither the Chinese nor the Russians would be extremely happy with a close ally of the States on their doorstep instead of the current heavily fortified buffer zone.

The Chinese would be much more concerned than the Russians. The Russo-Korean border is only a few kilometers long, and I don't think that the NATO will install bases anyway near that narrow strip of land. On the other hand, the Sino-Korean border runs through three strategically important provinces of China.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Marcus_2017 on April 16, 2017, 11:11:04 AM
The happy end would be a unification of north and south.

Unlikely. Neither the Chinese nor the Russians would be extremely happy with a close ally of the States on their doorstep instead of the current heavily fortified buffer zone.

The Chinese would be much more concerned than the Russians. The Russo-Korean border is only a few kilometers long, and I don't think that the NATO will install bases anyway near that narrow strip of land. On the other hand, the Sino-Korean border runs through three strategically important provinces of China.
I do not agree. During the first war in North Korea could trigger a mass Exodus of civilians and cause of the migrant crisis. In the second, the first target of an American attack are silos of nuclear missiles. The radioactive cloud could carry out the wind on the Russian territory.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: squatz1 on April 16, 2017, 01:44:09 PM
Sounds like a bunch of the same info that they give with countries that really only have a large standing army and that's really it with them. A country like NK is someone that is going to have some of the oldest military techs in the book, its stuff that was created when the Cold War was still happening and was probably supplied by the Chinese and the Soviets at that point.

Just cause they do all these crazy drills means they actually have anything. Lets just say they have a nuclear warhead, the US could shoot that down in seconds and then wipe NK off the map with a small portion of all the nukes that the US has.

Our military tech is probably 100000x times better than anything the North Koreans could even imagine.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: iluvbitcoins on April 16, 2017, 02:46:53 PM
10 years???

What the hell

People here get up on their hind legs and curse everything when someone mentions a 1 month military service

10 years, for fuks sake, you waste all your youth

The happy end would be a unification of north and south.

Unlikely. Neither the Chinese nor the Russians would be extremely happy with a close ally of the States on their doorstep instead of the current heavily fortified buffer zone.

What if the unification would be pursued by North Korea instead of South Korea?


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: criptix on April 16, 2017, 03:18:58 PM
The happy end would be a unification of north and south.

Unlikely. Neither the Chinese nor the Russians would be extremely happy with a close ally of the States on their doorstep instead of the current heavily fortified buffer zone.

That would be the deal: Korea gets unification and the yankees are going home.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Kobalt on April 16, 2017, 05:34:07 PM
It is much better to have a well-developed and predictable country such as South Korea on its border than impoverished country led by an unpredictable idiot.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Sithara007 on April 16, 2017, 07:19:47 PM
The happy end would be a unification of north and south.

Unlikely. Neither the Chinese nor the Russians would be extremely happy with a close ally of the States on their doorstep instead of the current heavily fortified buffer zone.

The Chinese would be much more concerned than the Russians. The Russo-Korean border is only a few kilometers long, and I don't think that the NATO will install bases anyway near that narrow strip of land. On the other hand, the Sino-Korean border runs through three strategically important provinces of China.
I do not agree. During the first war in North Korea could trigger a mass Exodus of civilians and cause of the migrant crisis. In the second, the first target of an American attack are silos of nuclear missiles. The radioactive cloud could carry out the wind on the Russian territory.

The refugees will be heading towards China. The ethnic Korean minority in China is almost 2 million strong. The Russian provinces neighboring North Korea doesn't have the infrastructure to house so many people, and the culture and ethos are much different.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: popcorn1 on April 16, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
We should just let north korea build long range nukes   he can kill us all then..

So lets all celebrate  8) ???..

He will not stop unless we stop him..The longer we wait the more chance he wins..

This week please China get shut of that dictator ..
Give him no more chances we must take him out..

China tell him he changes his ways and we want inspections in his country OR HE DIES..


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Snail2 on April 16, 2017, 08:31:01 PM
China tell him he changes his ways and we want inspections in his country OR HE DIES..

Well, and next week what country do you guys want change and  let inspectors in? ...and after that? BTW could you tell me please, if the Russians and the Chinese will be allowed to do the same on any chosen country where they don't like the ways as the locals living :)?


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: criptix on April 16, 2017, 08:35:53 PM
China tell him he changes his ways and we want inspections in his country OR HE DIES..

Well, and next week what country do you guys want change and  let inspectors in? ...and after that? BTW could you tell me please, if the Russians and the Chinese will be allowed to do the same on any chosen country where they don't like the ways as the locals living :)?

There would be only one nation that would remotely resemble NK's situation... and that is israel.

With the exception that israel doesnt blackmail their neighbourhood with a nuclear holocaust, let their citizens starve or put hundred thousands of civilians in nazi germany style KZ's.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Snail2 on April 16, 2017, 08:49:56 PM
The Chinese would be much more concerned than the Russians. The Russo-Korean border is only a few kilometers long, and I don't think that the NATO will install bases anyway near that narrow strip of land. On the other hand, the Sino-Korean border runs through three strategically important provinces of China.

Indeed, China would be quite upset to find that the US and SK armies started building bases next to their borders.
Only a few kilometers long you said. Well for example the Isthmus of Perekop was also only a few kilometres wide, Mannstein however somehow managed to push through a fairly big army on it, and Vladivostok not much farther from the NK border than Sevastopol was from Perekop. So I don't think the Russians would be happy bunnies.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Snail2 on April 16, 2017, 09:07:03 PM
There would be only one nation that would remotely resemble NK's situation... and that is israel.

With the exception that israel doesnt blackmail their neighbourhood with a nuclear holocaust, let their citizens starve or put hundred thousands of civilians in nazi germany style KZ's.

Except if those citizens of theirs happened to be palestinians and living at the Gaza strip or the West bank. Otherwise Israel didn't blackmail their neighbourhood with a nuclear holocaust indeed...err...maybe with a few exceptions... like Lebanon ('82), Iraq ('91, '01-'03), Iran (ongoing) ;).


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Spendulus on April 16, 2017, 09:13:53 PM
There would be only one nation that would remotely resemble NK's situation... and that is israel.

With the exception that israel doesnt blackmail their neighbourhood with a nuclear holocaust, let their citizens starve or put hundred thousands of civilians in nazi germany style KZ's.

Except if those citizens of theirs happened to be palestinians and living at the Gaza strip or the West bank. Otherwise Israel didn't blackmail their neighbourhood with a nuclear holocaust indeed...err...maybe with a few exceptions... like Lebanon ('82), Iraq ('91, '01-'03), Iran (ongoing) ;).

Really?  You're going to compare Israel to NK?

Lol...

The bragging, arrogant rhetoric of NK is really like nothing else in the world today, perhaps with the exception of ISIS or Iran.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Snail2 on April 16, 2017, 09:34:37 PM
There would be only one nation that would remotely resemble NK's situation... and that is israel.

With the exception that israel doesnt blackmail their neighbourhood with a nuclear holocaust, let their citizens starve or put hundred thousands of civilians in nazi germany style KZ's.

Except if those citizens of theirs happened to be palestinians and living at the Gaza strip or the West bank. Otherwise Israel didn't blackmail their neighbourhood with a nuclear holocaust indeed...err...maybe with a few exceptions... like Lebanon ('82), Iraq ('91, '01-'03), Iran (ongoing) ;).

Really?  You're going to compare Israel to NK?

Lol...

The bragging, arrogant rhetoric of NK is really like nothing else in the world today, perhaps with the exception of ISIS or Iran.

I'm not comparing Israel to NK. Actually Criptix brought it up, I just fixed a few historical inaccuracies.

You might want to add the US to that list of countries with "bragging, arrogant rhetoric"... ;)


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: criptix on April 17, 2017, 01:51:34 AM
There would be only one nation that would remotely resemble NK's situation... and that is israel.

With the exception that israel doesnt blackmail their neighbourhood with a nuclear holocaust, let their citizens starve or put hundred thousands of civilians in nazi germany style KZ's.

Except if those citizens of theirs happened to be palestinians and living at the Gaza strip or the West bank. Otherwise Israel didn't blackmail their neighbourhood with a nuclear holocaust indeed...err...maybe with a few exceptions... like Lebanon ('82), Iraq ('91, '01-'03), Iran (ongoing) ;).

Please dont troll yourself.

Palestina/Gaza: so people there are starving, getting tortured, killed and have to do forced labour? Last time i checked the jews are even giving finacial aid. Even though there are a lot of problems it would be delusional to say palestinians are living in a big german style KZ.

Nuclear weapons: israel had several wars since 67 and they didnt even once used the nuclear option.
They dont blackmail adversaries with the bomb because that would go against their doctrine of nuclear ambiguity and from different international intelligence and .gov sources we know that israel will only use the nuclear option if:

1. Israels military defense gets penetrated and the enemy is walking towards cities.
2. Israels airforce is destroyed.
3. Usage of biological and chemical weapons against israel.
4. Usage of nuclear weapons against israel.

Israel doesnt shoot missiles every 3 months in direction of their arab neighbours.


Ps: can you please pull some sources for israels public threat of using nuclear bombs?  I cant find anything about it.
Or do you mean the preemptive strikes against iraqs (conventional attack) and irans (cyber attack) nuclear reactors.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: PeterTheGrape on April 17, 2017, 04:58:46 AM
If North Korea is able to transport their military back to the mid 19th century they could take over several countries.


Title: Re: Published data on the military capability of the DPRK
Post by: Sithara007 on April 17, 2017, 05:07:19 AM
The Chinese would be much more concerned than the Russians. The Russo-Korean border is only a few kilometers long, and I don't think that the NATO will install bases anyway near that narrow strip of land. On the other hand, the Sino-Korean border runs through three strategically important provinces of China.

Indeed, China would be quite upset to find that the US and SK armies started building bases next to their borders.
Only a few kilometers long you said. Well for example the Isthmus of Perekop was also only a few kilometres wide, Mannstein however somehow managed to push through a fairly big army on it, and Vladivostok not much farther from the NK border than Sevastopol was from Perekop. So I don't think the Russians would be happy bunnies.

Remember the Korean war of the 1950s? There could be a repetition of this. The Chinese will provide the manpower and the Russians will provide equipment for the North Koreans. The Americans will fight it out for many years, before pulling out with heavy casualty figures.