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Title: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Dunster on April 26, 2013, 06:21:33 PM Satoshi has been sighted! He is now a member of "the Foundation" otherwise known as THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC.
Quote ARTICLE III - MEMBERSHIP Section 3.1 Membership Classes: The Corporation will have three classes of membership: (a) Founding Members; (b) Industry Members; and (c) Individual Members. The term "member" may be used to refer generically to a member in any class. Section 3.2 Membership Qualifications: The requirements for membership in each membership class shall be as follows: (a) Founding Members. The Founding Members of the Corporation shall be: i. Gavin Andresen, Bitcoin Developer residing or doing business in Amherst, MA, USA. ii. Peter Vessenes, CEO of CoinLab and residing or doing business in Bainbridge Island, WA, USA. iii. Charles Shrem, CEO of BitInstant residing or doing business in Brooklyn, NY, USA. iv. Roger Ver, CEO of MemoryDealers residing or doing business in Santa Clara, CA, USA. v. Patrick Murck, Principal at Engage Legal, PLLC residing or doing business in Washington, DC, USA. vi. Mark Karpeles, CEO of MtGox.com and residing or doing business in Tokyo, Japan. vii. Satoshi Nakamoto, at satoshin@gmx.com, author of the white paper “Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System” published on http://bitcoin.org and owner of the PGP Public Key with fingerprint: 5EC948A1. As a founding member of THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. he may have signed the by-laws. In the interest of full transparency THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. should post a scan of the original by-laws or provide us with an explanation why he was appointed without his consent. Please post on Twitter, Facebook and other social media. Let's get the word out. THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. is scrambling and covering up to bury this story by relegating the most important revelation since the genesis block as deeply as they could in these forums: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188177.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188177.0) Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: acoindr on April 26, 2013, 06:28:33 PM What do you think is news? The people who set up the foundation are honoring the person, group, or entity responsible for the project they support. Your breaking news has been widely known for several months.
Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Dunster on April 26, 2013, 06:29:45 PM What do you think is news? The people who set up the foundation are honoring the person, group, or entity responsible for the project they support. Your breaking news has been widely known for several months. They are not honoring Him, they have named him as a founding member: Quote (a) Founding Members. The Founding Members of the Corporation shall be: In the interest of full transparency THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. should post a scan of the original by-laws or provide us with an explanation why he was appointed without his consent. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Wilikon on April 26, 2013, 06:32:25 PM What do you think is news? The people who set up the foundation are honoring the person, group, or entity responsible for the project they support. Your breaking news has been widely known for several months. In the interest of full transparency THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. should post a scan of the original by-laws or provide us with an explanation why he was appointed without his consent. What makes you think it was without his consent? Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Dunster on April 26, 2013, 06:35:33 PM Quote What makes you think it was without his consent? The scan of the original by-laws will answer that question. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: acoindr on April 26, 2013, 07:05:53 PM What do you think is news? The people who set up the foundation are honoring the person, group, or entity responsible for the project they support. Your breaking news has been widely known for several months. They are not honoring Him, they have named him as a founding member: Once Bitcoin reached a certain point of adoption Satoshi said he was "moving on to other things". For whatever reason(s) he is no longer dealing in any significant way with Bitcoin, at least not openly. If he should ever decide to return in a public way why should he not have status with an organization likely to be well associated with the project he started? Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Dunster on April 26, 2013, 07:14:11 PM Quote Once Bitcoin reached a certain point of adoption Satoshi said he was "moving on to other things". For whatever reason(s) he is no longer dealing in any significant way with Bitcoin, at least not openly. If he should ever decide to return in a public way why should he not have status with an organization likely to be well associated with the project he started? We want to know if he consented to being a founding member of THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. or if THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. is simply using his name to strengthen their hold as the self appointed "leaders" of Bitcoin. The ethical question this poses is extremely important. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: acoindr on April 26, 2013, 07:27:41 PM Quote Once Bitcoin reached a certain point of adoption Satoshi said he was "moving on to other things". For whatever reason(s) he is no longer dealing in any significant way with Bitcoin, at least not openly. If he should ever decide to return in a public way why should he not have status with an organization likely to be well associated with the project he started? We want to know if he consented to being a founding member of THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. or if THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. is simply using his name to strengthen their hold as the self appointed "leaders" of Bitcoin. The ethical question this poses is extremely important. It's clear all that's listed is his assumed identification. The free market can take that whichever way they want. You don't seem to give the free market much credit. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Dunster on April 26, 2013, 07:33:24 PM Quote It's clear all that's listed is his assumed identification. The free market can take that whichever way they want. You don't seem to give the free market much credit. The question is not about the free market. You are now using the "hide the problem in plain site technique". The by-laws clearly state he is a founder and we want to see his signature. The ethics of this situation absolutely require it. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: acoindr on April 26, 2013, 07:38:45 PM Quote It's clear all that's listed is his assumed identification. The free market can take that whichever way they want. You don't seem to give the free market much credit. The question is not about the free market. You are now using the "hide the problem in plain site technique". The by-laws clearly state he is a founder and we want to see his signature. The ethics of this situation absolutely require it. I'm not trying to hide anything in plain sight. I'm no corporate lawyer, but AFAIK by-laws are simply rules that govern the corporate entity. You can say Donald Duck is your spiritual leader in your by-laws if you want to. It only applies to the entity. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Dunster on April 26, 2013, 07:41:51 PM The Wikimedia Foundation bylaws are signed:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Bylaws (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Bylaws) SIGNATURES /s/ Kat Walsh, /s/ Jan-Bart de Vreede, /s/ Jimmy Wales, /s/ Bishakha Datta, /s/ Matt Halprin, /s/ Stu West. /s/ Samuel Klein, /s/ Alice Wiegand, /s/ Patricio Lorente, /s/ Ting Chen Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Dunster on April 26, 2013, 07:49:31 PM We don't need to do a pull request. We simply want to see a scan of the original by-laws to see who signed. There is no PDF scan in the Github.
Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: acoindr on April 26, 2013, 08:03:47 PM The Wikimedia Foundation bylaws are signed: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Bylaws (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Bylaws) SIGNATURES /s/ Kat Walsh, /s/ Jan-Bart de Vreede, /s/ Jimmy Wales, /s/ Bishakha Datta, /s/ Matt Halprin, /s/ Stu West. /s/ Samuel Klein, /s/ Alice Wiegand, /s/ Patricio Lorente, /s/ Ting Chen You don't understand what I'm saying. The foundation's by-laws create various classes. One class is founding members, in which they included Satoshi. They could have also included a Spiritual Leaders class in which they name Donald Duck. That doesn't mean Donald Duck has to sign anything. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Gabi on April 26, 2013, 08:06:31 PM I agree with Dunster, this "foundation" is just a private thing, it is not bitcoin. Satoshi a founder? Did he sign? Or the "foundation" members happily added him? So now i can make the GABI FOUNDATION and have as founder satoshi as well? ::)
Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: acoindr on April 26, 2013, 08:07:56 PM I agree with Dunster, this "foundation" is just a private thing, it is not bitcoin. Satoshi a founder? Did he sign? Or the "foundation" members happily added him? So now i can make the GABI FOUNDATION and have as founder satoshi as well? ::) Yes. And you can have Donald Duck as your "spiritual leader" if you like. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Dunster on April 26, 2013, 08:08:34 PM Donald Duck is clearly not a real person. A real person should be consented and Satoshi is presented as a real person as a founding member. You are skirting the real issue and we simply wanted to see a scan of the by-laws and who signed them.
Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Gabi on April 26, 2013, 08:13:27 PM I agree with Dunster, this "foundation" is just a private thing, it is not bitcoin. Satoshi a founder? Did he sign? Or the "foundation" members happily added him? So now i can make the GABI FOUNDATION and have as founder satoshi as well? ::) Yes. And you can have Donald Duck as your "spiritual leader" if you like. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: acoindr on April 26, 2013, 08:14:40 PM Donald Duck is clearly not a real person. A real person should be consented and Satoshi is presented as a real person as a founding member. You are skirting the real issue and we simply wanted to see a scan of the by-laws and who signed them. Well, I suppose if they thought Satoshi would have a problem with being named as a "founder" in their by-laws they might have a problem if not having consent, but I doubt it would ever be an issue. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Dunster on April 26, 2013, 08:20:38 PM Quote Now imagine if they add me as a founder member. Without my consent. This clearly would not be acceptable because i am not a founder and i never signed to be one. This is correct. We need the community to demand a scan of the original by-laws as soon as possible. Otherwise, the takeover of Bitcoin by THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. is essentially complete. We don't want to see Satoshi's Bitcoin born January 3, 2009 and died April 26, 2013. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: benjamindees on April 27, 2013, 12:19:51 AM As a founding member of THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. he may have signed the by-laws. In the interest of full transparency THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. should post a scan of the original by-laws or provide us with an explanation why he was appointed without his consent. Agree. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: repentance on April 27, 2013, 12:48:34 AM The way that they identified him makes it pretty clear (by his pseudonym, his email address, and as the author of the white paper) makes pretty clear that it's an honourary status. I could set up an organisation tomorrow which gives a similar honourary status to - for instance - Martin Luther King. His heirs could object to that, but otherwise there'd be no real problem with it unless the status itself imposed legal responsibility.
Generally speaking, "founding member" on its own imposes no legal obligations on someone (although it's a status often coveted by wankers). Depending on jurisdiction, certain roles within an organisation do carry with them legal responsibility and people assuming those roles must consent to assuming that responsibility (whether it comes about by appointment or by election). You could not - realistically - appoint Satoshi to the board, even though the initial board was not elected. Does this hostility come from Satoshi being named as a founding member or is it more about the likelihood that there are people within the Bitcoin sphere of influence who are still in contact with him (which has always been presumed by most of the community)? If you said that Satoshi being named as a founding member in absentia creates the impression that he supports the actions of Bitcoin Foundation, you might have a valid point. I'm utterly convinced, however, that if Satoshi returned today under a new username and posted his opinions on the current state of Bitcoin a shitload of people would tell him that he "doesn't understand" Bitcoin and what it's "supposed" to be. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Dunster on April 27, 2013, 05:10:48 AM http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/1/3436984/bitcoin-foundation-legitimacy-and-standardization (http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/1/3436984/bitcoin-foundation-legitimacy-and-standardization)
Quote In a response, Vessenes said he could "confirm that Satoshi is a Founding Member" of the Foundation, though he didn’t disclose who he was. He also sees the move away from anonymity as vital to building trust in Bitcoin. "I hope we’ll be able to provide a bit of social proof that people are high-quality and willing to tell their real names," he says of the rule. Obviously, this doesn’t stop anyone from using their coins anonymously, but if the group gains clout, it could incentivize putting your name behind your trades. Where is the proof of confirmation? We don't need six confirmations, one is sufficient in this case. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: darkmule on April 27, 2013, 05:17:59 AM What makes you think Satoshi isn't entirely capable of defending his own honor, if he's upset about this?
Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Dunster on April 27, 2013, 05:22:03 AM What makes you think Satoshi isn't entirely capable of defending his own honor, if he's upset about this? It's possible that THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. just entered his name and details into the by-laws and makes it appear that Satoshi endorses THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. Additionally, they admit they have locked Satoshi out of the forum. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186939.msg1943004#msg1943004 Quote His account is locked, so no. If he wants to claim his account, he'll have to contact me with a PGP signature. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: wumpus on April 27, 2013, 06:04:50 AM You already created a topic about the by-laws, why not continue discussion there?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188127.0 How many of these topics defaming the bitcoin foundation with the same old arguments are you going to start? Check the front page of this subforum. This is starting to look like quite an unhealthy obsession. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Dunster on April 27, 2013, 06:12:28 AM Quote You already created a topic about the by-laws, why not continue discussion there? Because that thread is buried deep in the hierarchy and difficult for people to find. Clearly I'm up against some very strong forces of the Bitcoin power elite here, I've touched a nerve as I may have exposed some significant deception. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Lethn on April 27, 2013, 07:45:39 AM What makes you think Satoshi isn't entirely capable of defending his own honor, if he's upset about this? It's possible that THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. just entered his name and details into the by-laws and makes it appear that Satoshi endorses THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. Additionally, they admit they have locked Satoshi out of the forum. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186939.msg1943004#msg1943004 Quote His account is locked, so no. If he wants to claim his account, he'll have to contact me with a PGP signature. I think this as well, it looks like a classic way for them to try and seem legitimate and get more people on your side, kind of like organising a rebellion and marrying a princess so the rebellion seems more legitimate except in this case they're taking advantage of the fact that Satoshi seems to not want to show up in public and I suspect this kind of thing is exactly they were worried about. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: jubalix on April 27, 2013, 08:55:27 AM They have forked Satoshi persona, by specious by laws and trading off his name
Satoshi has been sighted! He is now a member of "the Foundation" otherwise known as THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. Quote ARTICLE III - MEMBERSHIP Section 3.1 Membership Classes: The Corporation will have three classes of membership: (a) Founding Members; (b) Industry Members; and (c) Individual Members. The term "member" may be used to refer generically to a member in any class. Section 3.2 Membership Qualifications: The requirements for membership in each membership class shall be as follows: (a) Founding Members. The Founding Members of the Corporation shall be: i. Gavin Andresen, Bitcoin Developer residing or doing business in Amherst, MA, USA. ii. Peter Vessenes, CEO of CoinLab and residing or doing business in Bainbridge Island, WA, USA. iii. Charles Shrem, CEO of BitInstant residing or doing business in Brooklyn, NY, USA. iv. Roger Ver, CEO of MemoryDealers residing or doing business in Santa Clara, CA, USA. v. Patrick Murck, Principal at Engage Legal, PLLC residing or doing business in Washington, DC, USA. vi. Mark Karpeles, CEO of MtGox.com and residing or doing business in Tokyo, Japan. vii. Satoshi Nakamoto, at satoshin@gmx.com, author of the white paper “Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System” published on http://bitcoin.org and owner of the PGP Public Key with fingerprint: 5EC948A1. As a founding member of THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. he may have signed the by-laws. In the interest of full transparency THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. should post a scan of the original by-laws or provide us with an explanation why he was appointed without his consent. Please post on Twitter, Facebook and other social media. Let's get the word out. THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. is scrambling and covering up to bury this story by relegating the most important revelation since the genesis block as deeply as they could in these forums: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188177.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188177.0) Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: jubalix on April 27, 2013, 02:32:04 PM isn't this always the way for the actual leader,
crucify him, deify him, adopt him, ???? profit. lulz locked out to funny the truth is they are not about to risk that he does come back, because even if genuine, he would prove fallible, and not in line with there views What makes you think Satoshi isn't entirely capable of defending his own honor, if he's upset about this? It's possible that THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. just entered his name and details into the by-laws and makes it appear that Satoshi endorses THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. Additionally, they admit they have locked Satoshi out of the forum. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186939.msg1943004#msg1943004 Quote His account is locked, so no. If he wants to claim his account, he'll have to contact me with a PGP signature. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: bitrick on April 27, 2013, 05:17:42 PM I agree with Dunster, this "foundation" is just a private thing, it is not bitcoin. Satoshi a founder? Did he sign? Or the "foundation" members happily added him? So now i can make the GABI FOUNDATION and have as founder satoshi as well? ::) Yes. And you can have Donald Duck as your "spiritual leader" if you like. Darn, the tubes lost my longer post, so this will have to do: Agreed. The Foundation should simply add the word "honorary" to the text regarding Satoshi's membership and I'll be satisfied. Until they clarify this, I will assume they have inappropriately claimed Satoshi's support in a bid to attain some exclusive authority that Satoshi's endorsement would imply. The Foundation should speak for it's members and other foundations can speak for their members. That is the decentralized philosophy of Bitcoin and the Foundation should strictly adhere to that philosophy. Gavin, for example, has always claimed he supports the development of other bitcoin clients. Since this could be addressed with a trivial fix of adding one word to the text, I will assume this is an ongoing deception on the part of the Foundation and I suspect it will remain a sticking point in the Foundation's relationship with the broader Bitcoin community until it is addressed. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: arklan on April 27, 2013, 06:27:14 PM i read most of the posts in the thread about the founding of the foundation. it was clearly, unquestionably, without any shadow of a doubt, stated therein that they had no actual interaction with satoshi, that the seat is utterly honorary as a result, and that, if he does "return" and prove his/her/their identity using the email/pgp key or what have you, he could thus claim his seat on the foundation's board.
you think he actually showed up somewhere and signed a document? man, that... that's rich. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: rini17 on April 27, 2013, 07:50:06 PM So, if i understand correctly, half of you are saying it's completely okay to incorporate in the US with pseudonymous and not undersigned entities listed as Founding Members? And handwave it "oh, they are just honorary"?
Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: arklan on April 27, 2013, 08:47:48 PM So, if i understand correctly, half of you are saying it's completely okay to incorporate in the US with pseudonymous and not undersigned entities listed as Founding Members? And handwave it "oh, they are just honorary"? no idea in the slightest if it's ok or not. for me, i was simply saying this is what they DID. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Gabi on April 27, 2013, 09:00:48 PM To me it is nonsense. He did not found that "foundation", plain and simple. So he is not a founder. Like i am not a founder. Or maybe the other founders know something we don't know? Maybe satoshi is really a founder and we don't know?
Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: tvbcof on April 27, 2013, 09:22:44 PM Hazek and the other mods mostly seem to be either Libertarians or Anarchists (of a Capitalist flavour). They say so themselves. As individualists, it's highly unlikely that they'd be involved in some grand conspiracy (whether to promote or censor anything about the Bitcoin Foundation). What's much more likely, is that they could be unwitting participants in somebody else's manipulation. And even if there is no conspiracy whatsoever, Bitcoin could still be corrupted by accident -- a "tragedy of the commons" caused precisely because Anarcho-Capitalists don't seem to believe in a 'Commons'. That said, I think it's a "storm in a teacup". I agree that "the" Bitcoin Foundation seems awfully suspect: a) they seem to be 'squatting' in a made-up prestigious role, apparently for the sake of making Bitcoin look good to investors. b) they seem ineffectual (from the outside, at least) in driving some obvious development. Instead of saying "fuck off, mainstream! Can't you see the BETA sign?" It's all "softly softly! Lest we upset some stakeholders." Those 2 observations combined make Bitcoin seem like a ponzi scheme, which is sad because I'm sure it's not. However, I suspect Satoshi recruited Libertarians and An-Caps, not because he supported all of their views, but because he knew they would be strong believers who could evangelize Bitcoin and help it survive downturns. Perhaps he underestimated people's greed and herd mentality though. How would anyone hope to steer development towards some kind of "Open Source multiple mini cash systems all interacting together", when there's a gathering crowd of vulture capitalists saying "don't touch it, I'm trying to profit!" ? A+ analysis. The more I study things, the more it does not appear to me that 'Satoshi' ever had much interest in 'multiple mini-cash systems' though. I'd like to believe it were true since that efficiently sums up my personal preferred world-view of crypto-currencies. I just have to accept the fact that most of the important developers of the solution simply have a different world view than I. Oh well. The Bitcoin project has almost certainly released the floodgate holding back an ocean of technical talent which will likely be entering the space. And possibly at a very opportune time in the life-cycle of our official financial systems. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Malawi on April 27, 2013, 09:45:45 PM Quote Now imagine if they add me as a founder member. Without my consent. This clearly would not be acceptable because i am not a founder and i never signed to be one. This is correct. We need the community to demand a scan of the original by-laws as soon as possible. Otherwise, the takeover of Bitcoin by THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. is essentially complete. We don't want to see Satoshi's Bitcoin born January 3, 2009 and died April 26, 2013. Are you trolling? Nobody can take over bitcoin unless there is consensus for it, or there is a massive hashing-attack. Satoshis signature is of no importance, Bitcoin works and does not need Satoshi to thrive. Just like apples don't need to check with Newton before they fall. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: darkmule on April 27, 2013, 11:52:37 PM What makes you think Satoshi isn't entirely capable of defending his own honor, if he's upset about this? It's possible that THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. just entered his name and details into the by-laws and makes it appear that Satoshi endorses THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. Additionally, they admit they have locked Satoshi out of the forum. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186939.msg1943004#msg1943004 Quote His account is locked, so no. If he wants to claim his account, he'll have to contact me with a PGP signature. So you seriously think Satoshi is too retarded to use PGP if he wants to? Or sign a message using the key from the genesis block? This is such a complete non-issue. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: mcdett on April 28, 2013, 03:24:08 AM calm down you fools. THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. is registered in DC and should have filed papers stating this before advertising it. We need someone to pull down the official legal filing, and make sure the i's are dotted.
If they're registering as a private organization and protecting their original bylaws by being private <-- tear it up on this forum... I'll get some backup If they desire transparency, then they'll produce pdf's of the contract that was executed for the articles of incorporation. We need the originals not the digital ones... the ones with signatures. I do contracts all the time.... there's always a last minute edit (initialed by all parties), and full john hancocks for a body of work that usually is never perfect in word format (you need the scanned pdf). Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: cycloid on April 28, 2013, 03:31:06 AM As a founding member of THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. he may have signed the by-laws. In the interest of full transparency THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. should post a scan of the original by-laws or provide us with an explanation why he was appointed without his consent. Agree. This makes sense and needs to be addressed! Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: cycloid on April 28, 2013, 03:35:35 AM Quote Are you trolling? Nobody can take over bitcoin unless there is consensus for it, or there is a massive hashing-attack. Satoshis signature is of no importance, Bitcoin works and does not need Satoshi to thrive. Just like apples don't need to check with Newton before they fall. LOL awesome :) Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: kjj on April 28, 2013, 03:52:43 AM So, if i understand correctly, half of you are saying it's completely okay to incorporate in the US with pseudonymous and not undersigned entities listed as Founding Members? And handwave it "oh, they are just honorary"? U.S. law has absolutely no concept of "founding members", nor of "members". Corporations have owners (shareholders) *, directors (the board, typically elected by the owners) and officers (president, CEO, CFO, etc, typically appointed by the board). In the US, corporations are typically formed as shells with generic bylaws by people that specialize in such things, I have no idea if the foundation was filed that way, or directly. Doesn't matter even a tiny little bit either way. The foundation board is divided into classes for various reasons, for example, to ensure that the entire board isn't corporate members. This is pretty common for nonprofit entities. Being listed as a founding member means two things. First, if he steps forward to claim his membership, he won't need to pay any dues. Second, if he wishes to be on the board, it will be very easy for him to do so. As usual, this is a pure troll thread, caused not by an evil conspiracy to control bitcoin, but by a too-tight tinfoil hat. * Nonprofits are an odd exception to this. They don't have owners or shareholders, they have stakeholders. Read that again. No owners. Or, owned by everyone, if you prefer to see it that way. Since there are no owners, the bylaws indicate how the board is elected. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: mcdett on April 28, 2013, 03:59:16 AM As usual, this is a pure troll thread, caused not by an evil conspiracy to control bitcoin, but by a too-tight tinfoil hat. Not so. If they desire to be transparent they'll produce the legally executed articles of incorporation. They could legally assign ownership to an individual that provides a key, but why wouldn't they produce the signed agreement? They need to let us know how transparent they want to be! Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: drakahn on April 28, 2013, 04:03:46 AM As a founding member of THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. he may have signed the by-laws. In the interest of full transparency THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. should post a scan of the original by-laws or provide us with an explanation why he was appointed without his consent. Agree. This makes sense and needs to be addressed! Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: kjj on April 28, 2013, 04:17:40 AM As usual, this is a pure troll thread, caused not by an evil conspiracy to control bitcoin, but by a too-tight tinfoil hat. Not so. If they desire to be transparent they'll produce the legally executed articles of incorporation. They could legally assign ownership to an individual that provides a key, but why wouldn't they produce the signed agreement? They need to let us know how transparent they want to be! You "do contracts all the time"? That must be hard for a guy that apparently can't read. There is no ownership. That means that there was no "legally assign ownership" either. Members are not owners. You seem to have missed that in my previous post. Is bold enough, or should I change the font size too? At least you have stopped thinking that corporations are created by contract. You may get your merit badge in internet lawyering yet. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Jackin Jill on April 28, 2013, 05:24:39 AM Cited, not sighted.
But I'm excited that you sighted the citation. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: BorderBits on April 28, 2013, 05:32:53 AM Ha! OP's thread shows how "decentralized" BTC is. Too funny.
Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: mindtomatter on April 29, 2013, 01:32:23 AM I pointed Jon Matonis to this thread and asked for comment, as he is a founding member of the Bitcoin Foundation
Here's what he said: Quote Satoshi was added as a courtesy It would have been more arrogant to exclude Satoshi as his designated heir to development was also a founding member. If requested to, I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem to remove. I don't think there's anything to get upset about here, just a symbolic move. Keep in mind The Bitcoin Foundation has no formal standing, it's just a joint effort by early pillars within the community to centralize some of the attention to better address it, and to help target development. They have no real power besides who their members are and what they voluntarily do (except Gavin, who is paid to develop) Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: JaredR26 on April 29, 2013, 03:01:02 AM I pointed Jon Matonis to this thread and asked for comment, as he is a founding member of the Bitcoin Foundation Here's what he said: Quote Satoshi was added as a courtesy It would have been more arrogant to exclude Satoshi as his designated heir to development was also a founding member. If requested to, I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem to remove. I don't think there's anything to get upset about here, just a symbolic move. Keep in mind The Bitcoin Foundation has no formal standing, it's just a joint effort by early pillars within the community to centralize some of the attention to better address it, and to help target development. They have no real power besides who their members are and what they voluntarily do (except Gavin, who is paid to develop) tl;dr: Much ado about nothing. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: BitCoinDream on March 24, 2014, 12:04:18 PM Satoshi has been sighted! He is now a member of "the Foundation" otherwise known as THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. Quote ARTICLE III - MEMBERSHIP Section 3.1 Membership Classes: The Corporation will have three classes of membership: (a) Founding Members; (b) Industry Members; and (c) Individual Members. The term "member" may be used to refer generically to a member in any class. Section 3.2 Membership Qualifications: The requirements for membership in each membership class shall be as follows: (a) Founding Members. The Founding Members of the Corporation shall be: i. Gavin Andresen, Bitcoin Developer residing or doing business in Amherst, MA, USA. ii. Peter Vessenes, CEO of CoinLab and residing or doing business in Bainbridge Island, WA, USA. iii. Charles Shrem, CEO of BitInstant residing or doing business in Brooklyn, NY, USA. iv. Roger Ver, CEO of MemoryDealers residing or doing business in Santa Clara, CA, USA. v. Patrick Murck, Principal at Engage Legal, PLLC residing or doing business in Washington, DC, USA. vi. Mark Karpeles, CEO of MtGox.com and residing or doing business in Tokyo, Japan. vii. Satoshi Nakamoto, at satoshin@gmx.com, author of the white paper “Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System” published on http://bitcoin.org and owner of the PGP Public Key with fingerprint: 5EC948A1. As a founding member of THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. he may have signed the by-laws. In the interest of full transparency THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. should post a scan of the original by-laws or provide us with an explanation why he was appointed without his consent. Please post on Twitter, Facebook and other social media. Let's get the word out. THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. is scrambling and covering up to bury this story by relegating the most important revelation since the genesis block as deeply as they could in these forums: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188177.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188177.0) Just stumbled upon this awesome fact. A year ago Bitcoin Foundation had more reliability and then they were doing this !!! Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: rayfloyd on March 24, 2014, 01:16:13 PM I pointed Jon Matonis to this thread and asked for comment, as he is a founding member of the Bitcoin Foundation Here's what he said: Quote Satoshi was added as a courtesy It would have been more arrogant to exclude Satoshi as his designated heir to development was also a founding member. If requested to, I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem to remove. I don't think there's anything to get upset about here, just a symbolic move. Keep in mind The Bitcoin Foundation has no formal standing, it's just a joint effort by early pillars within the community to centralize some of the attention to better address it, and to help target development. They have no real power besides who their members are and what they voluntarily do (except Gavin, who is paid to develop) /thread Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: AnonyMint on March 24, 2014, 02:17:53 PM I'm utterly convinced, however, that if Satoshi returned today under a new username and posted his opinions on the current state of Bitcoin a shitload of people would tell him that he "doesn't understand" Bitcoin and what it's "supposed" to be. And how do you know it isn't me? Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: OnkelPaul on March 24, 2014, 02:23:07 PM And how do you it isn't me? Because that sentence no verb. And Satoshi seems to have an excellent command of english, so you can't be him. Q.E.D. Onkel Paul Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: BitCoinDream on March 24, 2014, 02:26:24 PM And how do you it isn't me? Because that sentence no verb. And Satoshi seems to have an excellent command of english, so you can't be him. Q.E.D. Onkel Paul OMG ...Excelent :D Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: OnkelPaul on March 24, 2014, 02:36:38 PM OMG ...Excelent :D <grammar-nazi> The word is spelled "excellent". </grammar-nazi> You aren't Satoshi either. 2 down, 297518 to go... Onkel Paul Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: AnonyMint on March 24, 2014, 02:40:46 PM And how do you it isn't me? Because that sentence no verb. Deleting words from what I wrote is a sign of desperation. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: BitCoinDream on March 24, 2014, 02:44:34 PM OMG ...Excelent :D <grammar-nazi> The word is spelled "excellent". </grammar-nazi> You aren't Satoshi either. 2 down, 297518 to go... Onkel Paul Google chrome thinks this spelling is correct. And I'm NOT Satoshi. I am Bitcoin Dream ;D Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: OnkelPaul on March 24, 2014, 02:54:13 PM Google chrome thinks this spelling is correct. And I'm NOT Satoshi. I am Bitcoin Dream ;D Educate chrome somewhat and show him this link: http://www.dumbtionary.com/word/excelent.shtml Thanks for confirming that you are not Satoshi - this shows the power of the scientific method once again! Onkel Paul Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sited as member of "the Foundation" Post by: DannyHamilton on March 24, 2014, 03:01:36 PM Thanks for confirming that you are not Satoshi - this shows the power of the scientific method once again! Onkel Paul Interesting process. On the other hand, it's well known that Satoshi guarded his privacy and anonymity. As such, it is entirely possible that he would intentionally use poor grammar while posting under an alternative username to keep others from realizing who he actually is. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: AnonyMint on March 24, 2014, 03:08:02 PM There is so much dick in the Bitcoin space, I
First of all Bitcoin (as it currently stands unless morphed as I say above) will be limited to reasonably affluent, white males mostly under age 50. Thus figure the upper limit of adoption is several hundred million. Note NE Asians are white. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: BitOnyx on March 24, 2014, 03:27:45 PM Interesting topic. It fits great recent drama related to Satoshi.
Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: TreasureSeeker on March 24, 2014, 03:48:01 PM So in the absence of Satoshi, is Donald Duck going to be Bitcoin's spiritual leader, or have I misunderstood something?
Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: anonuser777 on March 24, 2014, 04:34:01 PM You guys do realize that handwritten signatures aren't legally required? All the scan will show (assuming he signed) is:
/s Satoshi Nakamoto (and a date) Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: Nathonas on March 24, 2014, 05:25:48 PM Nothing but the Btc foundation giving itself legitimacy. I highly doubt he actually signed any documents or was contacted in any way to get his name on there. Why would he support a foundation for a decentralized currency, ESPECIALLY if he went underground back in 2008 (I believe?) and the foundation was formed in 2012.
Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: bananas on March 24, 2014, 05:44:43 PM Nothing but the Btc foundation giving itself legitimacy. I highly doubt he actually signed any documents or was contacted in any way to get his name on there. Why would he support a foundation for a decentralized currency, ESPECIALLY if he went underground back in 2008 (I believe?) and the foundation was formed in 2012. Also he did not trust many of the foundation founders(i.e. Gavin gave information to the CIA and so Satoshi would never talk to him again), here is the reason probably he disapeared. Title: Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" Post by: QuestionAuthority on March 24, 2014, 06:08:13 PM Satoshi sighted!
Satoshi is fucking Bigfoot now. rofl |