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A Catholic priest infected with HIV raped 30 girl children aged between 5 and 10, and has been acquitted by the church after he admitted to the heinous crime.

Jose Garcia Ataulfo, was cleared of any wrong-doing and won't face any criminal charges. This decision comes in the light of an announcement by Pope Francis that the church would aim to be “more merciful” by reducing penalties for paedophile priests. Just how will they do this? Relocate them to a different church in order to offer them support rather than punishing them.

In this case, the Vatican even declared that "the matter is closed" when the mother of one of the victims sought an audience with the Pope in Rome to discuss the case. Only two out of the 30 rape victims have come forward to denounce the acquittal.





https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1839134/catholic-church-acquits-hiv-positive-priest-who-admitted-raping-30-young-mexican-girls-and-cops-are-refusing-to-investigate/

This is the guy:

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And the biggest joke is that this guy will be kept alive with the help of expensive anti-retrovirals from Vatican, while the 30 kids who got infected by him will slowly die as they have to rely on prayer and gospel to cure their HIV.

I have always said that religion is evil. I want to know where to look law enforcement? Rape and pedophilia is a crime for which no indulgences even from the Pope. If there are such facts that he should sit in jail. Maybe it's a fake?

Unfortunately, it is not fake. This incident occurred in the state of Oaxaca in Mexico. Almost all of the victims were indigenous girls aged between 5 and 10. Since the victims are all native, the press is going to hush up the news (else they will face the wrath of the powerful Catholic church).

Forgiveness is never evil, humans are. A human being doing something wrong (sinning) and being evil does not make the religion evil. People who are religious aren't perfect.

I do not agree with letting the man go. If the man is not going to rape any more children, why should he be put in jail? If he will continue to, of course he should be put in jail. A punishment is useless if it makes no difference to society.

I almost threw up after reading your comment. Religious nuts like you are really a horrendous bunch. The man has to pay for his crimes. It is not like you can rape three dozen girls and then walk home saying that you are not going to repeat the crime.

That's why countries like Mexico will never become a developed country. There is no law, there is no reasoning. They don't have the balls to punish  that freak because the whole country is being swarmed by those freaks. Just like in the middle east. This also proves that Islam or Christianity doesn't matter; all religions are cancer.

A pervert pope can exist every once in a while but if your justice system can't punish him, then it means that your country sucks. Big time. Pack and leave.

Unlike militant atheism best represent by Nazi Germany and Soviet Union, yes?

You take for granted living in developed country that was build from the ground by evangelicals. Not some secular cultists.

The problem is not with Christianity, but within structures of corporate Catholic Church, that distanced itself immensely from teachings of the Book. Celibacy of the priests being direct result of clergys fear about retention of their estates.

Bible has no kind words on pedophiles or pardoning punishment on such godless freaks. The only people, according to Bible, who have authority to forgive said criminal are his victims and their families. In any other scenario, punishment including the capital one is on the table.

The Bible prescribes the death penalty for the following activities, among others:

    Murder
    Adultery
    Bestiality
    Rape of a virgin

Source: Deuteronomy 22:22-27
    
EDIT: By the way, I am interested on what were you thinking with that "pack up and leave" comment. Secular liberals are doing their "job" all over the west these days.

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Is this even real? If yes... disgusting monster priest and an even more disgusting Vatican. I've only heard cases like this spoken in hushed tones but they really outdid themselves here. And what is the Mexican government doing? Rape is still a criminal offense.

Yes, its absolutely appalling. We all knew, that Mexico is struggling with systematic corruption, but the fact that its leading institution on matters of morals and faith is no better than liberal cultists elsewhere in the world speaks volume on how much it regressed. Not only does Catholic Church ignore laws of host country, it also explicitly goes against holy gospel it swore to upkeep and protect. Shameful.

Only bright side I can see in all of this is, that more people will learn about the incident and hold both "priest" and church of golden bullion accountable. No man or institution shall stand above laws of nature.

How can this be? I don't believe in God, but I know that is a crime. As the Pope can forgive such a crime? This priest not only committed a crime, but also embarrassed the whole Catholic Church. These need to burn at the stake. What are the police? Or in Mexico, the Pope decides who is guilty and who is not?

Fuck bible.

We live in 2017, not medieval ages and you are still talking about death penalty, as expected from a bible following barbarian.

You don't kill criminals, you throw them into jail forever till they are dead. That's how you handle them. No electric chair, no drugs, no hanging... Jail. We are not an African tribe, lighten up.

Bible written by Humans, it made sense for its time but not now. Time has changed. Bible is outdated. (the others also) We have internet now, you can find any information you want. Update yourself to our age or die as a bigot.

Do you realize you sound just like an average Muslim btw?

I think that death penalty is needed in these cases. Just make a few examples and you will see that no more pedophile priests will try to do these extremely nasty acts. These kind of persons do not deserve to live, in fact I don't understand the FBI or CIA or the governments which keeps these human trash alive in their prisons.

From the outside it all looks very scary and how things are in fact should return from within. There was a time when I watched the TV series Ray Donovan, which also raised the topic of priests and children. How can the church forgive? If they are criminals? Religion has always taught forgiveness, but in terms of morality and humanity, these people are real dregs and how to deal with them better.

Why don't go join to ISIS? You can make yourself a living there. Because that's  exactly the same reasoning with their belief.

If someone raped somebody? Cut his dick off.
Someone stole something? Cut his stealing hand off.
Someone murdered? Hang (behead most likely) him at the city center.

Is this what you want?

This is just unbelievable. Oh great, now I'll go out, rape someone and confess later and I would be forgiven. Oh wait! I forgot, not a part of the clergy. Does Mexico have a constitution that have separation of Church and State. I mean, them old folks at the Vatican might think this is OK but which ever way you look at it, this is a crime. If Mexico just allows this perv to get away with this, maybe Americans would say they really are justified for wanting a wall.

I'm not a savage like ISIS but I believe this man does deserve capital punishment. You don't have to shout "Off with their heads, off with their heads!" like the Red Queen but death penalty should be an option for revolting crimes like this. It should be there to make it clear to people that human rights can only go so far. I'd forgive crimes against property but rape is violation of another person's being. It shows no respect for the individual, the individual is only seen as an object to gratify sexual urges. A object without rights.

Maybe they are extreme punishments the ones you are saying, but they are effective. Since you put up all punishments from Saudi Arabia let me reply you with some statistics from this country which many people believe is abusing human rights and maybe they are but :

There are about 6 killings in a year in Saudi Arabia, this number is clearly higher in a single day in some European countries and especially in the USA. (It is looking effective that they hang the killer for 3 days in the city center, only 6 kills in a year)

There are no rapes reported in Saudi Arabia from many years.


P.S: I am a Christian but honestly I like their justice system. Because it is effective, clearly in my country Italy we don't have it yet.

Fuck bible? Fuck you.

This is your liberal left world with Catholic Church being one of its many victims, that we live in. Not mine. People of the Book regardless if they call themselves Christians, Muslims or Jews will restore natural order. You, "progressive" cultists are already dying out all over the world. You claim to worship "human rights" but in practice you worship death.

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Restoration of capital punishment is not in order, because people should enjoy it. It is in order, because it works. Because all men are equal in birth and death with none standing above God. Your broken moral compass grants more rights to criminals and pathologically insane, than to their victims. Secular progressives at work in United Kingdom:

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The biggest joke is the parents of the 30 children who do nothing. If it was my daughter you would find yourself dead in a pool of your own blood if you even tried to stop me. If I could get my hands on this guy I would tie his ankles to my rear bumper and drag him around town for a few hours. During Sunday mass.

Fuck religion.

No rapes in SA?

It seems you have no problems with marrying <10 kids. You don't consider this as a rape?

You have no problems with having 4 wives?

I am sick all of you. I'm out. Sickfucks. I don't want to never ever see this thread again. Have s shit day.

Relax and try to understand what I write. I agree with their justice system but I do not agree with their way of life, I do not agree with polygamy and marrying a girl since when she is 9 years old. That is what I am against, I think we Western Developed countries should borrow their justice system and add it to our liberal way of life. You can live like you want but know that if you do some errors big punishments are waiting for you. That would be good for our countries.

Mindrust,

I am neither Arab, nor muslim.

Now, indeed leave. Go defend "human rights" of rapists somewhere else.

The Bible, common sense and parental love are all in line on this. Child rape is mortal sin worthy of capital punishment. Only heathen and sick will defend its perpetrator against justice and only his victim has authority to forgive the beast. Its not your call and the fallen priest will face judgement. Eitheir in this life or after it.

Poor priest. Got HIV from the kids.

Just the same, anyone doing this even once should be executed.

This shows that the church is not a church you would want to be part of.

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Don't blame the parents or the children. Most of the children were either orphans or from broken families. The church was supposed to look after them. But in the end they got HIV from the clergy.

It is really sad and at the same time shameful that these monsters with human face instead of be condemned in an exemplary way so that in the future same incidents being avoided unfortunately they are mercifully treated and church pays to give them medication. Unfortunately, neither courts nor governments do anything particularly in small and poor countries because they are paid by the church.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches mercy and forgiveness and that is why the Pope cannot condemned the priest but give them mercy and second chance. It is not wrong to give mercy to the ones who have done wrong but the error of the Roman Catholic is that they have given welfare and counselling to the rape victims  so they can overcome their trauma and they can face the world again.

The rape victims need welfare and counselling. But before that they need the anti-retrovirals to slow down the progress of HIV. Will the Vatican fund their medical treatment? According to some sources, the Catholic church is the richest organization in the earth, with assets worth some $30 trillion (10% of the world's net wealth).

Liberalism is only good as long as it's not used against you. RIP Western Europe.

Unlikely, at least not mentioning it on public. That's basically telling everyone "Oh look, one of our pedophile priests infected these kids and now they'll have to take meds for life, which your humble servant the Church is willing to provide as atonement for our sins of tolerating pedophilia among ranks,".

First of all, the Catholic Church isn't the government in Mexico. It doesn't have any legal jurisdiction.

Second of all, there's no record of said priest in that diocese: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/does-the-mexican-priest-who-allegedly-abused-minors-even-exist-95510/

The problem with this story is ....

I can see being forgiving. But this guy's bosses in his Vatican operation aren't the ones who should be deciding. The likes of you and me should be. Maybe on a jury, maybe as individuals.

The other problem with this story is they don't state how much the payoffs were.

Does Mexico have a secular constitution? I thought it was a bit less conservative than my country coz I heard abortion and divorce are legal there. I would understand if the Church is really given powers that this abuse might just be accepted if not, why are they not even trying to prosecute that, that thing?!

Every country should make it illegal for the Church, and any religious institution at that, to just shuffle around their erring clergy.

Wrong line of questioning. Anything is possible in Mexico con la mordida.

http://mexicomatters.net/retirementmexico/04_bribeslamordidainmexico.php

Terrible for me to contemplate that the Pope could do so. After that, he is not my authority. If a person is willing to forgive for such crimes he is complicit. If tomorrow this or another priest will repeat such a crime to judge it at the Pope as the instigator of the crime.

This can be done without much media attention. The kids can be moved to some remote rural healthcare center run by the Catholic church. The ARVs are getting cheaper now. I am sure that the church will not have to spend a fortune to treat these kids.

This is not an excuse for this pastor. How all these people can be forgiven. The bastard ruined the lives of so many children. I believe that people like him should not be forgiven and to be executed. The Pope I was very disappointed.

Did anyone RTFA? Even the sensationalist link mentions that the diocese doesn't have a priest by that name.

The abuse by the church has been horrible, but there's no need to make it up.

Holy fuck even worse! So now I gotta drag the entire clergy behind my car, around town, on a Sunday afternoon.. Shit I'm gonna have to top up with high octane gasoline for more horsepower. Gotta pull all those bloody parts ya know.  :P

Here are the latest developments:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3799005/Catholic-Church-ACQUITS-Mexican-priest-admitted-raping-30-young-girls-knew-infected-HIV.html

I agree that this cleric must be punished, and probably castrated or emasculated. But now, lets think about the methods to be taken, to prevent a repetition of similar incidents in the future. Perhaps children should not be allowed to visit Catholic priests without an accompanying adult.

Am I reading the post right,he will retain his priesthood and will be transfer to a new church?this is crazy he should be condemn to death the hiv infected children he raped are now suffering from almost a death sentence,I will not go to the church where he is preaching,he don't deserve to retain the priesthood

Frankly, friend. That would require draconic laws infringing both upon freedom of religion and personal freedom.

Perhaps the best prevention would be for Catholic Church to reform itself and abolish priest celibacy altogether (altough, that would for sure create rift among its billion plus followers with unforseen consequences...). It is centuries old, almost pagan custom, way that Catholic Clergy prevented possibility that any people could (as offspring of clerics) lay claim to property and estates of the institution. The obvious con of celibacy is that it turns small minority of priests into potential sexual predators...


Yes, you are right. In fact, bible - unlike present day secular governments, explicitly prescripts death penalty for child rape, no common man nor priest exempt from that. In their attempt at damage control, institutions of Catholic Church are going against the very Book they swore to live by. Shameful and now that everything took place, there is no clean way out for anyone involved.

Sigh,  :'(

Well, if the media would report a case, maybe there's a chance that it would be tried if it not for the Church's habit of spiriting away their priests. Of course they could get away with it by bribing immigration officials so they can flee the country but if the Church itself stops codding these monsters, then they'll be caught. And the Church wonders why attendance is decreasing.


Oh believe me, that happens in my country too. "There's no person with that name in our diocese. Goodbye."

The biggest joke is that he will be able to afford the medications, while the poor little indigenous children will be asked to rely on prayer to cure their illness. Who is going to talk on behalf of these orphaned children?

Any responsible parent wouldn't let their children anywhere near a Catholic priest in the first place.
Even if they don't get physically raped, they are going to get mentally raped via brainwashing.

That seems to be one of the evilest things that hide behind the church and now that it is put into the spotlight, what do you recommend them on doing with that so called "priest"? Knowing the religion, they want to forgive and be merciful, and I think that's what they did but the wrong thing that I disagree with is that he still retains the priesthood that he has.

Everyone is innocent before proven guilty, even pedophiles. So lets put him before a public jury, the same as everyone else would be.

If he lives in Indonesia, I am dead sure that he will be castrated.  >:(
Sad to hear that in Mexico, church have power more than government.
30 innocent children has to bare HIV??? WTF!  >:( >:( >:(

Matthew 6:14-15
14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.


Luke 17:3-4
3 So watch yourselves. “If your brother or sistersins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. 4 Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.”

And this Luke dude gives you seven goes a day..
So if your a bad pedo pray to Luke ..well you could be going to hell..

I TOLD YOU RELIGION IS FOR CRAZIES.. ;).

WOW  7 goes a day ..No wonder the religious are bat shit crazy 7 goes a day they get :D..

Indonesia doesn't have a law to castrate the rapists. In fact, not a single country in the world does have such laws (I am talking about physical castration, and not about the ineffective chemical castration).

I think many Christian-majority nations took the first step to reforming the Church when they instituted Separation of Church and State. Though not necessarily making the Church any less influential, it did took away much of its temporal powers. Now add to that the need to compete in the free market of faith (people eventually becoming less religious, new imported religions, secularism, etc.) and the Church pretty much started to behave itself. I mean, they no longer burn heretics at the state after all, and they can't even if they want to.

I definitely agree with removing celibacy. Catholicism seem to be the only major sect that practice it. Orthodoxy pretty much did not implement it (at least, not the same way as Catholicism) and Protestantism got rid of it.

I think even though the Church forgave him, the police should investigate and ensure that justice is ensured, No one is above of the law not even the Pope. The Government and even the Pope must ensure that it is.

I've never been to Mexico, but in my country there is a criminal liability not only for rape and pedophilia, but also for the fact that a person knowingly infected with AIDS from another person. As for indulgences from the Church, we do not live in the middle ages and it shouldn't be.

Not sure how the justice can be served, if the Pope decides to have fun with the coir boys. He is having his own country (Vatican), and no one can prosecute him even if he commits murder or rape.

Why, then, do people continue to believe in his Holiness? Why continue to believe in God if there is so much injustice and the Pope himself is an example of permissiveness? People are blind or stupid?

I would do the same thing, these damn priests who do this deserve a cruel death...

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What religion advocates are in this section have to say about it?

This is the reason why religion, is segregated from government. But I don't think that these story is true, the government will not accept this, especially the parents of the kids. That is 30 kids contaminated with HIV, today there is no cure with it, do you think the parents of these kids will accept that just kike that, they will not.

sadly, these kind of news are the ones that makes one think over what religion really is for. it makes one think that it is more often just being used by those who are in high offices to abuse their congregation. I don't have any qualms about the church being merciful but hey really? this bastard needs to be punished a bit more severely

As I had pointed out earlier, the children were all indigenous and were from broken families or orphans. In addition to that, they were from the remote mountainous regions of the Oaxaca state. The state doesn't have much control over these areas.

The government always has influence on the situation in the country. You want to say that if the killer is hiding in the mountain village and the government knows his location is not arresting him? Of course, I've never been to Mexico, but it seems to me that this can not be. Want arrested.