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Title: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: 100x on May 01, 2013, 04:17:51 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/04/29/collected-quotations-of-the-dread-pirate-roberts-founder-of-the-drug-site-silk-road-and-radical-libertarian/


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on May 01, 2013, 07:45:39 AM
Wow, DPR seems to be a straight-up mises.org libertarian (with a Konkin/agorist bent (of course!)) who understands the doctrine well and has probably participated in a lot of online debate, judging from the polish of his arguments and the way he anticipates the common objections with seasoned finesse, as if he's been doing it for a long time.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: humanitee on May 01, 2013, 03:46:35 PM
That was a very interesting read. DPR seems like the real deal.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: molecular on May 01, 2013, 07:24:18 PM
Isn't it amazing to see dprs words up on forbes in such depth.

Unthinkable just half a year ago.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: The-Real-Link on May 01, 2013, 09:54:15 PM
Wow, intriguing and devoted read.  Thanks.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: n8rwJeTt8TrrLKPa55eU on May 01, 2013, 11:36:02 PM
Frankly I'd like to see him as one of the official press contacts on bitcoin.org.  ;)


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: Roger_Murdock on May 01, 2013, 11:52:36 PM
Frankly I'd like to see him as one of the official press contacts on bitcoin.org.  ;)
Seconded.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: flix on May 02, 2013, 01:19:38 AM
Frankly I'd like to see him as one of the official press contacts on bitcoin.org.  ;)
Seconded.

me too!  ;D


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: theymos on May 02, 2013, 02:12:09 AM
I haven't read much from him before. He sounds like a great guy, and a real asset to our community. Hopefully he doesn't get caught.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: alexanderanon on May 02, 2013, 04:12:18 AM
Interesting read, reminds me of those years I spent slowly settling into my own libertarian beliefs, mulling over the various philosophies and strategies before finding agorism/voluntarism. I haven't debated these issues in a while now, but aren't "private police", as DPR mentions, inconsistent with agorism/voluntarism? Not trying to turn this press post into a political thread, but I seem to recall voluntarism as adhering to a reputation system that punishes through withholding and ultimately through exile, rather than private police and prisons. Perhaps this distinction is what draws the line between voluntarism and anarchocapitalism.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: dscotese on May 02, 2013, 05:02:16 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/04/29/collected-quotations-of-the-dread-pirate-roberts-founder-of-the-drug-site-silk-road-and-radical-libertarian/
Thank you for posting this!


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: mrb on May 02, 2013, 07:22:54 AM
Sometimes I can't help but think DPR is Satoshi. He would have created Bitcoin for the ultimate goal of creating The Silk Road.

Notice how Satoshi disappeared from the community in late 2010, and The Silk Road opened in February 2011, a surprisingly early Bitcoin adopter. DPR also obviously has a financial background and relates to Austrian economics. Both DPR and Satoshi have technical/cryptographic skillsets. One reason for Satoshi wanting to remain anonymous would be to hide his involvement with The Silk Road. Plus Satoshi always said that he is "moving to other projects" when leaving Bitcoin. Etc.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: ErisDiscordia on May 02, 2013, 08:05:27 AM
Sometimes I can't help but think DPR is Satoshi. He would have created Bitcoin for the ultimate goal of creating The Silk Road.

Notice how Satoshi disappeared from the community in late 2010, and The Silk Road opened in February 2011, a surprisingly early Bitcoin adopter. DPR also obviously has a financial background and relates to Austrian economics. Both DPR and Satoshi have technical/cryptographic skillsets. One reason for Satoshi wanting to remain anonymous would be to hide his involvement with The Silk Road. Etc.

This theory actually makes a lot of sense!

Other than that, I'm glad to see such a well-spoken freedom-loving person get so much space in a major news outlet.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: mrb on May 02, 2013, 08:26:27 AM
This theory actually makes a lot of sense!

Posted to https://plus.google.com/u/0/100577178258662783679/posts/76UcUX4Py2c


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: caveden on May 02, 2013, 08:27:54 AM
Sometimes I can't help but think DPR is Satoshi. He would have created Bitcoin for the ultimate goal of creating The Silk Road.

Notice how Satoshi disappeared from the community in late 2010, and The Silk Road opened in February 2011, a surprisingly early Bitcoin adopter. DPR also obviously has a financial background and relates to Austrian economics. Both DPR and Satoshi have technical/cryptographic skillsets. One reason for Satoshi wanting to remain anonymous would be to hide his involvement with The Silk Road. Plus Satoshi always said that he is "moving to other projects" when leaving Bitcoin. Etc.

Interesting theory, but I wouldn't be that sure. Satoshi looked much more reserved than DPR. The latter expresses his political ideas much more eloquently than the former.

Thanks OP for sharing and thanks Andy Greenberg for compiling this collection.

He sounds like a great guy, and a real asset to our community. Hopefully he doesn't get caught.

+1


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: Brushan on May 02, 2013, 08:31:17 AM
Frankly I'd like to see him as one of the official press contacts on bitcoin.org.  ;)

+1


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: mrb on May 02, 2013, 08:37:14 AM
Interesting theory, but I wouldn't be that sure. Satoshi looked much more reserved than DPR. The latter expresses his political ideas much more eloquently than the former.

Per my theory, the character of Satoshi was all a facade: he would not have wanted to disclose too much of his ideologies precisely to avoid identifying him as The Silk Road founder :)

PS: also notice that Satoshi is known to prefer british spelling and expressions. And DPR uses british spelling too ("labour" on page 3 of this forbes.com article).


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: molecular on May 02, 2013, 11:52:53 AM

"I figured it out, I finally know who Satoshi is!"

"Really? Who?"

"Dread Pirate Roberts!"

"Who's that?"

"I dont know, some anomyous person or group."


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: TheKoziTwo on May 02, 2013, 12:42:20 PM
I haven't read much from him before. He sounds like a great guy, and a real asset to our community. Hopefully he doesn't get caught.
+1
A very good read indeed.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: dscotese on May 02, 2013, 03:23:34 PM
Sometimes I can't help but think DPR is Satoshi. He would have created Bitcoin for the ultimate goal of creating The Silk Road.
There are several people whose writings and thinking seem remarkably the same as DPR.  He writes "Something that made sense, was simple, elegant and consistent in all cases. I’m talking about the Austrian Economic theory, voluntaryism, anarcho-capitalism, agorism etc."  Compare that to the stories at How I became a Voluntaryist (http://voluntaryist.com/howibecame/index.html) and you'll see that there is a kind of philosophical attractor that draws every very thoughtful person toward these things.  I think DPR has gone further in that direction than I have, but I'm not sure about Satoshi.  I'd like to read more from Satoshi, though it doesn't really matter to me if the same person wears both masks.

What matters to me is that we find a way to draw more people toward this philosophical attractor.  It's why I built litmocracy and meme racing (see my sig).  And if that seems self serving, well, I can only quote DPR: "I have basic human needs that money allows me to meet so that I may devote my time to our cause. I also enjoy a few first-world pleasures that I feel I have earned, but nothing extravagant. In fact, compared to most I know, I still live quite frugally."  My wife is a different story, but she is very early on the path.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: ancore on May 02, 2013, 09:42:57 PM

"I figured it out, I finally know who Satoshi is!"

"Really? Who?"

"Dread Pirate Roberts!"

"Who's that?"

"I dont know, some anomyous person or group."


good one


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: Dusty on May 03, 2013, 10:46:56 AM

"I figured it out, I finally know who Satoshi is!"

"Really? Who?"

"Dread Pirate Roberts!"

"Who's that?"

"I dont know, some anomyous person or group."


good one
+1
Yes, very good one ;-)


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: midnightmagic on May 03, 2013, 06:43:03 PM
Sometimes I can't help but think DPR is Satoshi. He would have created Bitcoin for the ultimate goal of creating The Silk Road.

Notice how Satoshi disappeared from the community in late 2010, and The Silk Road opened in February 2011, a surprisingly early Bitcoin adopter. DPR also obviously has a financial background and relates to Austrian economics. Both DPR and Satoshi have technical/cryptographic skillsets. One reason for Satoshi wanting to remain anonymous would be to hide his involvement with The Silk Road. Plus Satoshi always said that he is "moving to other projects" when leaving Bitcoin. Etc.

No way. S was way to mild to be DPR. Plus, why would he put the entire economy at risk were he to be found out, just to make a few extra dollars given how mind-bogglingly intelligent he was? Plus the skillset does not match up.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: mrb on May 03, 2013, 11:10:48 PM
Sometimes I can't help but think DPR is Satoshi. He would have created Bitcoin for the ultimate goal of creating The Silk Road.

Notice how Satoshi disappeared from the community in late 2010, and The Silk Road opened in February 2011, a surprisingly early Bitcoin adopter. DPR also obviously has a financial background and relates to Austrian economics. Both DPR and Satoshi have technical/cryptographic skillsets. One reason for Satoshi wanting to remain anonymous would be to hide his involvement with The Silk Road. Plus Satoshi always said that he is "moving to other projects" when leaving Bitcoin. Etc.

No way. S was way to mild to be DPR. Plus, why would he put the entire economy at risk were he to be found out, just to make a few extra dollars given how mind-bogglingly intelligent he was? Plus the skillset does not match up.

The skillsets do match: they are obviously both into cryptography, TOR users, coders, etc.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: yogi on May 03, 2013, 11:27:40 PM
I believe DPR is not one man, but a series of individuals who periodically pass the name and reputation to a chosen successor, see The Princess Bride.


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: BTCLuke on May 04, 2013, 03:08:22 AM
Awesome Article... Loved every word of it.

...Getting DPR as a press contact might be a little tricky considering the MSM usually wants to interview press contacts... Not a great way to keep his identity, i'd think.



I haven't debated these issues in a while now, but aren't "private police", as DPR mentions, inconsistent with agorism/voluntarism? Not trying to turn this press post into a political thread, but I seem to recall voluntarism as adhering to a reputation system that punishes through withholding and ultimately through exile, rather than private police and prisons. Perhaps this distinction is what draws the line between voluntarism and anarchocapitalism.
No, that's not really the mainstream thought about private police among AnCaps... Here's a condensed, illustrated version of "The Machinery of Freedom" narrated by David Friedman himself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o)

(Wish I knew how to embed... Someone PM me with that info, plz!)


Title: Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts
Post by: molecular on May 04, 2013, 06:07:43 AM
I believe DPR is not one man, but a series of individuals who periodically pass the name and reputation to a chosen successor, see The Princess Bride.

nah.