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Title: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: jubalix on May 01, 2013, 06:32:41 AM Just read the white paper again, and this may have been noted by others, but just in case
The paper reads We define an electronic coin as a chain of digital signatures. We consider the scenario of an attacker We now consider how long the recipient We have proposed a system http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf (http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf) so unless a deliberate red herring, it is indicative of more than one person. Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: oakpacific on May 01, 2013, 06:33:37 AM Majestic plural maybe?
Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: jubalix on May 01, 2013, 06:43:23 AM Majestic plural maybe? perhaps put I think it seems to read more in the flow of the text as "we" as in a group. also the paper seems to be a lot different then what I have read of statoshi's in forum posts. Ok the context is different but not that different. I'm not hard and fast about this, but it is interesting Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: FreeMoney on May 01, 2013, 07:12:16 AM That's how I was taught to write mathematics papers.
Considering that he was hiding it in every other context it seems more likely that if he were a they they would be self-conscious about using 'we' and avoid it. Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: BTC Books on May 01, 2013, 07:21:07 AM Majestic plural maybe? The tutorial plural, I think. Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: bg002h on May 01, 2013, 07:21:10 AM Yup -- royal we without question. That is the normal way to write formal scientific publications.
Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: Come-from-Beyond on May 01, 2013, 07:23:22 AM Just read the white paper again, and this may have been noted by others, but just in case The paper reads We define an electronic coin as a chain of digital signatures. We consider the scenario of an attacker We now consider how long the recipient We have proposed a system http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf (http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf) so unless a deliberate red herring, it is indicative of more than one person. Here he says "I": How long have you been working on this design Satoshi? It seems very well thought out, not the kind of thing you just sit down and code up without doing a lot of brainstorming and discussion on it first. Everyone has the obvious questions looking for holes in it but it is holding up well :) Since 2007. At some point I became convinced there was a way to do this without any trust required at all and couldn't resist to keep thinking about it. Much more of the work was designing than coding.Fortunately, so far all the issues raised have been things I previously considered and planned for. Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: oakpacific on May 01, 2013, 07:24:10 AM Majestic plural maybe? The tutorial plural, I think. Would be crazy if he also wanted it to imply "We the People". Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: kokjo on May 01, 2013, 07:25:53 AM im also writing math paper with WE instead of I.
Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on May 01, 2013, 07:41:04 AM Yes, this "we" is standard usage (for scientific papers, not forum posts of course) even if it really is just one person.
Nothing to read into this at all. Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: jubalix on May 01, 2013, 08:07:32 AM Yes, this "we" is standard usage (for scientific papers, not forum posts of course) even if it really is just one person. Nothing to read into this at all. Yes I know this is standard paper stuff but still.... also the I in the forum maybe the coder only answering Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: kokjo on May 01, 2013, 08:10:22 AM Yes, this "we" is standard usage (for scientific papers, not forum posts of course) even if it really is just one person. Nothing to read into this at all. Yes I know this is standard paper stuff but still.... also the I in the forum maybe the coder only answering Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: uMMcQxCWELNzkt on May 01, 2013, 09:25:04 AM I often say we when promoting an idea to the public, saying I creates an impression of ownership. My current understanding of Bitcoin is that Satoshi wants it to be a group effort that "we" develop.
Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: kokjo on May 01, 2013, 09:30:01 AM I often say we when promoting an idea to the public, saying I creates an impression of ownership. My current understanding of Bitcoin is that Satoshi wants it to be a group effort that "we" develop. this is not it!In academic paper people uses WE. Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: noedaRDH on May 01, 2013, 09:33:31 AM Just because he used "we" (common usage in academic papers) it doesn't mean that Satoshi is hinting that he is part of some group.
Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: btcmind on May 01, 2013, 09:48:29 AM I think its pretty certain that it was only one person. Otherwise, why release the paper to get feedback and then release the code a few months later?
Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: charleshoskinson on May 01, 2013, 09:32:30 PM All of the math papers I've written have used the pronoun we instead of I regardless of collaboration. It's a standard convention in the sciences. Most discoveries and innovations are based upon prior work thus it is an homage to the community using we.
Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: franky1 on May 01, 2013, 10:23:30 PM yep talking about the world economy "we" not a secret tribe of hackers and coders he worked with to create bitcoin
Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: Stunna on May 02, 2013, 03:58:58 AM He's just talking about the collective community behind bitcoins.
Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: giszmo on May 02, 2013, 05:12:57 AM We just decided to write all our forum posts as "we". It helps us get the respect we deserve.
Title: Re: Satoshi's white paper..."he" said "we", lends weight to the idea it was a group Post by: jubalix on May 02, 2013, 08:41:44 AM We just decided to write all our forum posts as "we". It helps us get the respect we deserve. We agree with this proposition |