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May 01, 2013, 06:32:41 AM
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Just read the white paper again, and this may have been noted by others, but just in case

The paper reads

We define an electronic coin as a chain of digital signatures.

We consider the scenario of an attacker

We now consider how long the recipient

We have proposed a system

http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

so unless a deliberate red herring, it is indicative of more than one person.


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May 01, 2013, 06:33:37 AM
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Majestic plural maybe?

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May 01, 2013, 06:43:23 AM
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Majestic plural maybe?

perhaps

put I think it seems to read more in the flow of the text as "we" as in a group.

also the paper seems to be a lot different then what I have read of statoshi's in forum posts. Ok the context is different but not that different.

I'm not hard and fast about this, but it is interesting


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May 01, 2013, 07:12:16 AM
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That's how I was taught to write mathematics papers.

Considering that he was hiding it in every other context it seems more likely that if he were a they they would be self-conscious about using 'we' and avoid it.

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May 01, 2013, 07:21:07 AM
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Majestic plural maybe?

The tutorial plural, I think.

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May 01, 2013, 07:21:10 AM
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Yup -- royal we without question. That is the normal way to write formal scientific publications.

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May 01, 2013, 07:23:22 AM
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Just read the white paper again, and this may have been noted by others, but just in case

The paper reads

We define an electronic coin as a chain of digital signatures.

We consider the scenario of an attacker

We now consider how long the recipient

We have proposed a system

http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

so unless a deliberate red herring, it is indicative of more than one person.

Here he says "I":

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May 01, 2013, 07:24:10 AM
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Majestic plural maybe?

The tutorial plural, I think.

Would be crazy if he also wanted it to imply "We the People".

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May 01, 2013, 07:25:53 AM
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im also writing math paper with WE instead of I.

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May 01, 2013, 07:41:04 AM
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Yes, this "we" is standard usage (for scientific papers, not forum posts of course) even if it really is just one person.

Nothing to read into this at all.
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May 01, 2013, 08:07:32 AM
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Yes, this "we" is standard usage (for scientific papers, not forum posts of course) even if it really is just one person.

Nothing to read into this at all.

Yes I know this is standard paper stuff

but still....

also the I in the forum maybe the coder only answering

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May 01, 2013, 08:10:22 AM
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Yes, this "we" is standard usage (for scientific papers, not forum posts of course) even if it really is just one person.

Nothing to read into this at all.

Yes I know this is standard paper stuff

but still....

also the I in the forum maybe the coder only answering
I use I in my forum posts, and WE("vi" in danish) or ONE("man" in danish) in my math papers...

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May 01, 2013, 09:25:04 AM
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I often say we when promoting an idea to the public, saying I creates an impression of ownership. My current understanding of Bitcoin is that Satoshi wants it to be a group effort that "we" develop.
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May 01, 2013, 09:30:01 AM
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I often say we when promoting an idea to the public, saying I creates an impression of ownership. My current understanding of Bitcoin is that Satoshi wants it to be a group effort that "we" develop.
this is not it!

In academic paper people uses WE.

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May 01, 2013, 09:33:31 AM
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Just because he used "we" (common usage in academic papers) it doesn't mean that Satoshi is hinting that he is part of some group.

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May 01, 2013, 09:48:29 AM
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I think its pretty certain that it was only one person. Otherwise, why release the paper to get feedback and then release the code a few months later?
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May 01, 2013, 09:32:30 PM
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All of the math papers I've written have used the pronoun we instead of I regardless of collaboration. It's a standard convention in the sciences. Most discoveries and innovations are based upon prior work thus it is an homage to the community using we.

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May 01, 2013, 10:23:30 PM
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yep talking about the world economy "we" not a secret tribe of hackers and coders he worked with to create bitcoin

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May 02, 2013, 03:58:58 AM
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He's just talking about the collective community behind bitcoins.

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May 02, 2013, 05:12:57 AM
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We just decided to write all our forum posts as "we". It helps us get the respect we deserve.

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