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At first, despite loosing money, I thought it was fun and I sort of respected the move. But If we look further the "troll" what just happened last night was totally immature, and lacking in jugement.

The market just dumped, and he could have personally profited from it. I clearly understand that the point was to fuck with daily traders. What he did was actually really really bad... He mislead people knowing the fact that his announcement would create confidence in the project.

He wanted to get rid of pumps and dumps but he clearly made a short position knowing people would be tricked.
Some peoples new to cryptos have lost thousands of $ by putting all their eggs into the monero.

You can't be on the inside and act like this. People in companies that do this go to jail. That is not the kind of person I want writing my privacy-focused crypto-currency.

EDIT: For understanding watch the videos of the announcement : http://mea.business/

seems all altcoin are fake, bitcoin is the only coin to invest, i lost my btc in one of these fake coin last weekend. i will never invest in any fake coin anymore. >:( >:( >:(

i honestly don't think he shorted XMR.  but yes, he knowingly took advantage of his position to fuck the market.  and now he's going around saying "see! i taught you a lesson not to trust anybody!"  real fucking mature.  how about you let Monero users/hodlers decide that for themselves and not blatantly screw people over.  that move may have killed XMR, time will tell.

In this case, you should learn how to research a coin before blindly investing in her. A lot of altcoins have great potential with a team behind who aims to develop a ecosystem around the coin and they don't deserve your hate. Don't blame every coin because you made a stupid choice with a scam coin.

Doubt it. Many are selling now but it keeps at its support lines. This influenced time shortterm (few hours) but a stunt like does does not change TA.

I also think his stunt is hypocritical by the way, and I think he fucked over "monero enthusiasts" a lot more than the "pump & dump" crowd, because the pump&  dump crowd is probably playing the market really well right now and making a ton out of these 25% price fluctuations.

I personnaly think he shorted the market. But there never will be any proof of that.
Everyone earned extremely well in this market in the last weeks and months, so nobody should cry for the loss.  
The gain was artificial and so was the loss.

My main concern is that monero is a great project but with what happend less people will donate their time and money to Monero because the trust is gone and their money is now gone too...

A good increase in the price the previous day and negative statements coming the next day will surely affect the altcoins ecosystem. Users have quoted as a whole blaming the altcoin network though there are good altcoins similar to eth, doge, creditbit, etc have been growing good just because of the good development team. Fake volume issue happened with bitcoin causing a downtrend, now the same has happened in one among the altcoin.

Actually, I think a lot of people on twitter that are now congratulating him are people who profited from this either by selling and rebuying lower, or shorting. Which makes Fluffy unrightfully think some truly love his action as a good statement. Some will probably agree for real though, but I doubt they have given it enough time to really let it sink in and think about all effects this could have short & long term.

Aren't "monero enthusiasts" into monero because of the technology?

Yes, but they like money too. I didn't say he took the tech away from them. But the pump & dump crowd benefitted more from this. You never know which longterm effects this will have.

pending fucking transfers!!

True, longterm effects are hard to predict. I hope people learn from this and really think about why it happened they way it did. And what each one of us can do, to not let something like this happen in the future. I think it would be unwise to only blame fluffypony. Everyone who was affected by this has some responsibility for what happened.

The problem is that Monero was gaining stability and being perceived as a non volatile store of wealth and this has shaken that foundation. That i believe is the true disservice that Ricardo has accomplished. Monero has always been above this type of behavior and that is another reason why it has shocked us so much.

My tinfoil hat says he is looking to distance himself and this of course will certainly do that as well as remove him as the face but who can fill that vacuum? I think anyone that does is not going to like the position they find themselves in as I have no doubt TPTB have been making moves and being in the spotlight of the worlds best fungible coin can be (will become|all ready is) a terrifying place to be.

Announcement was real or fake in the monero , I am not sure because I have no evidence regrading this altcoin .
Since I invested about 0.03btc but after two days I sold it because I needed money for my daily need , so I get loss due to soon sell at low rate and also I am seeing that the rate is now very low then at what rate I sold , thank God I saved my money .
But still here there is another thing about the altcoin is that , all this depends upon the demand in the crypticurrency exchange sites , if demand is high then price will speedly rise and vice versa .
So here we can't blaim anyone for the loss , because loss and profit are the part of the trading .
But thanks to you that you shared this news .
Note : I am not saying that announcement was fake or real :•

We've been fooled. I thought it would pump. But it dumps hard. What the hell? This is very bad. Now im back to zero again. I will buy monero again. I fall too hard. This is a dead coin. Most of the altcoins were dumped very huge. I will not buy ant altcoin until bitcoin is not dropping. The price was good yesterday. Then i saw the price today. Its all in red marks.

Basically it is indeed a project is indeed still not can be said to be successful if they have a good consistent level. The project is indeed profitable, but you also have to look at what is being done is not just looking at a profit. Because everyone could say that these projects are profitable, but we'll never know exactly what is being done by the team. When the project was indeed made by the team has a good level then it certainly will benefit greatly
 

I agree. He actually helped the day traders, since they were probably prepared to sell at the time of the "announcement".
The trading newbies were the main losers, I guess.
And the XMR hodlers may have just bought seeing that the 50$ barrier was smashed and hoping that the 100$ is near. Disappointing...

Not only the trading newbies. Also the people new to crypto, looking up on different coins. Really liking what they read about Monero (because after all, the tech is pretty solid) as a promising coin and not some PR bullshit. But haven't followed Fluffy yet on Twitter and don't know yet about his trollish behaviour. Then they go to an exchange and buy some.

Those people got burned pretty badly today. We don't know when the price will recover. Maybe they panic sold, and you can't blame them if they see something like that happening (especially if they're new and don't have the luxury of being in the positive anyway like we do). They couldn't have foreseen this, not having the experience we have with the charts, monero prize, crypto as a whole, ...

One of the arguments I read on Reddit I strongly agreed with: Fluffy said to not buy it if you have no practical use for it, but what if some Venezuelan family just bought some to protect themselves from repressive government? And they already had so little money.

So many people got shaken out with that last fluffypony stunt  :o

Even if the tech is good if the team behind it isn't professional enough to its users then it will end up worthless.

No matter what that was a total dick move uncalled for and very unprofessional. Fluffyponyza what a goober what goes around comes around

altcoin become fake when you loose it on trading lol  :( :o

You meant this news?  I dont see anything fake here. It was strong statement that anyone involved in crypto should be aware of and follow.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAoIDBzXcAAsKgR.jpg

not all coins are fake, monero is 100% not fake, all the strongest coins are safe to invest, don't invest in very small coins with no volume or shady dev, but from tiem to time some good unknown low volume coins can get big and become top 20 in the coinmarketcap, invest more wisely next time don't go blindly or following the rumors

where is the fake news? 

I sold my monero a while back so i am not updated with the going ons with monero

Two posts up...

Coin had a big surge due to a supposed pending "announcement" then when the announcement occurred it was just a bunch of nothing and basically a "non-announcement"

The lead maintainer of Monero engineered a pump and dump to amuse himself is what it looks like to me. Disgraceful behaviour and his commit access should be revoked.

Not having been bit by this PnD because I was out of monero at the time my perspective is a little vanished, but it seems to me he made a valid point to the community as a whole.

Right now the crazy bull market has lots of people going nuts for crypto.  If these currencies after to ever succeed they need stability and doing how susceptible value storage can be on coins should be sobering for the pure profit seekers.

Of course I'm here to make a profit, but I'm also thrilled at the prospects for the future of crypto and the possibility it offers for maintaining and even restoring individual liberty when it comes to their financial dealings.

The moves to remove cash from the economy by governments is a step towards greater control of the public, and coins like Monero offer from from that.

That said he could've accomplished similar effect without the financial harm this caused.

Lead maintainers of a crypto coin have a special place as their words are given weight, and are not supposed to move markets just to amuse themselves. Many new investors to Monero lost money and were probably scared away permanently by the damage Spagni did to Monero's reputation yesterday.

There was no amusement.  There was announced big thing to happen. Biggest ever. And it happened. I posted it up there. A valid statement. You can hate it, you can ignore it but you cant stop it!

But the valid points he made, we already knew these, that's the problem. What he did now is prove new speculators a lesson, harming lots of innocent people in the process, and rewarding seasoned pump and dumpers. So he rewarded the group he despises the most with this action.

What will this have led to? Loss of potential new monero fans, no problem fixed because in a few weeks all newcomers will not even know this happened and monero will be speculated upon again.

Let's look at Bitcoin. Many many many many many people bought it for the profits. And look where it is today, mainstream media is even giving it positive attention. And many of the profitseekers converted to loving bitcoin for the tech.

This action was not needed, because the ICO scene will sort itself out. After this there is still nobody going to listen except those who already agreed with Fluffy's points. Most Polo users (who needed this message the most) probably know nothing about this and just saw green and red candles.

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Post from you true account or don't even bother. Ignored.

well, bye bye fella. We do not need you in this community. Keep loving your bitcoin.  8) 8) let us handle the altcoin ;) they are all awesome coin

Not all, definitely not all. There are many altcoins which are just shitcoins made to scam people and make poor more poorer. Only Bitcoin is the true coin right now. Monero is not a shitcoin but it would have been better.

So it was fluffypony that did a fake announcement?  

In times past Monero devs have seemed pretty big sticklers to ambivalent to speculation.  Who cares if it's pumped and dumped just like any asset?  Always seemed some of the more rational approach to an alt.  

This seems to be insanely odd & inappropriate behavior.  Did fluffypony's account get hacked or something?  I'd have an easier time believing that.

<<Edit:>> I just watched the video.  Which was a hilarious parody of all the shitty pump and dumps I see.  I just changed my mind from disgust to championing fluffypony.

This, monero is a project that I believe in but when this kind of things happen then many will lose faith in the project, while I don’t know if it will ever proven that he actually did it, this is bad news since confidence in the project is going to subside and with it its success.

if this is the fake news they are talking about,I don't see anything wrong on it,I think they are just hoinest on who they are and what they do and checking coimarketcap almost all altcoins are falling down,which usually happen from time to time.

Only the greed of the people caused the pump and dumb of the Monero during this announcement. I think fluffyponyza did this just to troll those people who are in the world of altcoins just to profit regardless of whether or not they believe in the design of a certain currency.

Here is a screenshot I found on someones twitter that speaks for itself.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DApuBkEXUAAuEQx.jpg

But... he is for example friends with that WhalePanda guy on Twitter, who is a big altcoin trader. Fluffy even gave him the scoop so he would know what happened. You can not simply claim you hate how people do altcoin trading for profits, and at the same time befriend seasoned traders and giving them a heads up so they can profit from this stunt. That makes him a hypocrite, not a hero for this.

Here is WhalePanda Twitter before the announcement. I believe this was responsible for the pump

https://bitcoinnewsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/xmrscam.png

Very bad and very irresponsible however they want to try and spin it now. You can not prove they did not make huge financial gain by such abuse of power so assume that they did.

I think it was a negative and damaging move for them in terms of trust.

whether he shorted after it or not, i think its still not right to release such note to the public knowing that all these people who are waiting for anything positive will dive into it. one announcement from dash team and we'd all cram together to buy dash to simply profit. now he is aware this would happen.

Maybe they are just doing this to shake off the weak hands.. but it might pump with a vengeance  

The guy is named fluffypony, what would you expect. All privacy focused crypto money are lead by people who have things to hide.
Fluffypony admitted it himself, can't trust this kind of people.


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After this stunt, i lost all my respect towards Monero. They were saying it is not pump and dump coin but they did exactly what pump&dump group would did.

Ooh! It's true that, if it's true then I'll leave the Monero coin and I will not be willing to use Monero Coin again.

I've always wanted to believe in a good anonymous coin (I liked the "Zero Coin" concept originally) but it seems like they always screw it up somehow. :(

It seems Fluffpony have so much influence on Cryptocpace that he crashed it.  After his statement Crypto marketcap went from 90b to 60b.

On  guy says dont trust what  guys says on Twitter and all goes KABOOM.

LOL fluffypony

Don't suppose i mentioned him before huh ?

What did he say guys "safe as houses" ?
https://sputniknews.com/science/201608291044728112-monero-cryptocurrency-transactions/

Unless of course you gambled your house buying Monero shitcoins.
And i hope you didn't gamble it on his previously hacked official Monero Gambling site.


Oh and who else did i warn you about ?
rpietila / risto ? (or what ever name he decides to jump to next today)
Hmm..
Don't suppose there is a scam topic on him where the old guard Monero shills called him a scammer ?

You guys never listen.  :D

Or..
As i can see scrolling up.. you are all a bunch of chattering NOOB accounts.  ::)

With regards to Dash announcements, many of them can be learned beforehand by studying the Dash budget proposals .. see what proposals passes and what effect that could have.

link : https://www.dashcentral.org/budget

Personally i like the "Dash branding on Race and Acrobatic airplanes" budget proposal and the move into the legal cannabis industry with the "Alt36 + Dash Payment Platform" budget proposal.

I always liked Dash's original announcement to fail-launch and then the super sneaky re-launch.

That was my favorite too, being lied to on first launch ( I mean second relaunch) and told their would be another launch next day so shut off your miners and then taking a bribe from the pool that never shut down then changing the mining rate to make the insta mine worth so much more was true evil genius. Never releasing a working Win miner until afterwards was very impressive.

Forgetting Monero is allegedly a community take over coin?

Montero guys never learn.. Want to get into Dash being evil?
Then it's only fair Monero gets it fucking balls deep.

No matter how much you want to bash monero it's the best tech and there was no scammy launch. Yes there were scumbags trying to fleece n00bs in the speculation area but if they listened to peops like me they would not have lost a cent and would be in profit. don't believe me? Go and check it's all public domain.

As it functions on a centralized platform manipulating the value of the token is quite easy and this is what happening with Monero. Hope most of the beginners who invested seeing the price pump might be feeling bad due to the immoral act of the developer team.

Please stop saying DEV team it was one Douchbag dev.

I Need more prove to believe that, but dont lose hope in alt coins, there are such good alt coins there in the market, and the other of them is soon to be launched. dont stereotyping all the alt coins my friend, we just need to be careful on what we are investing for, in order for us not to lose all the money that we are investing, in trading not all the time we can win, we can lose sometimes too. win some lose some.

I'd say it's a scammy launch when..

- A fake community take over is initiated.
- A couple of people end up with all the coins on launch.

It's common knowledge Risto owns the coin.
He was the big whale sugar daddy since day 1.
To say he manipulated the coin from day 1 would be an epic understatement.
He has run his mouth about all kinds of things such as PAYING THE DEVS.

Way i see it is a lot of these coins end up the same way.
HOW ..is another matter.

To say there has been no bullshit with Monero is simply a lie.
In fact i would wager to say there has been far more bullshit than Dash.
Which is why it sort of pisses me off that every time the Monero idiots get caught yet again doing shit
they immediately go to pointing the finger at Dash.

And have i not pointed that out literally a hundred times ?

Guess what assholes ?
As time goes on i am just armed with more stories on Monero and their merry band of shill idiots.
How many do i have for Dash ?
I can't even think of any aside from that 1 single thing you shills harp about.
Which is circumstantial at best.

Plenty of coins have had changes and you all don't scream scam on them.
Unless of course it's an ANON coin that competes with YOUR bags.

You were warned.. wanna point the finger at Dash on yet another topic about Monero stupidity ?
Then it's fair game to open up a can of whoop-ass on the usual Morono suspects.

I find it hilarious too how your key people involved with it all along are eventually caught up in shit 1 after another and the rest of you simply say ohhhhh he has nothing to do with the coin..
Trying to down play their involvement.

Well guess what else ?
You are running out of shills to thrown under the bus  :D

And yeah.. i god damn fucking dare you to call me out any single aspect of anything i said.
i will jam it down your fucking throat so fast you won't know what hit you !

Who wants to bet a certain "pony" and a guy who had to sell his previous unicorn way back were the original guys behind "Bytecoin" ?
You know the name of the coin before they changed it to Monero hahahha

Sorry but it is NOT believable at all what so ever that..
A dev showed up here and created a coin called Bytecoin not realizing there already was one with that name.
Combined with the fact that he immediately vanished forever never to show his face again even once.
And simultaneously we see a PONY emerge as the rebranded coin dev.
Hmmm smell bullshit ?

What does it matter ?
A trail of fraud that stretches back to before the coin was even fucking launched  :D
Or i should say "relaunched"

Really want to get into it ?
Lets recap all the I'm sorry's..
Except for when they copy and paste what i say as the "truth" yet neg me for "lies" here.

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Bottom Line:

I told you all years ago over & over and ever since the coin is doomed.
Because of the idiots that surround it.
I said they would fuck up what ever coin they were backing.. ANON or not.
They are shady bullshitting greedy little sleaze balls.

Guess who runs a Monero gambling site that was hacked ? And WHY !
Greed much dickheads ?
And hacked ?
Yup and what did that idiot pony say ?
What i was saying all along about Monero for years..
But it's true when he says it but lies when i do ? .....again.

THEN..
The same pony admits his faggy ass bullshit ANON shitcoin is in fact 80% secure..
Then shills says ohhhh we never claimed it was 100% secure  ::)

uhhhm yeah you did.. it says so on the "merch" Risto's employee Mr David Latapie modeled for pics with.
Does it say 80% secure on the hoody for sale ?

You
Are
Full
Of
Shit
Monero'Tards
.

And the kicker is I KNOW damn well these same douche bags have been up to far more..
But i need PROOF.. i can't accuse them of shit otherwise.
Like they do with Dash.
Where was the actual proof ..proving Dash was rigged on purpose ?
There isn't any.

That is like saying Satoshi rigged Bitcoin so he could flash mine them all on his own and be super rich.
Possible ? Sure.. but unproven.. like your Dash claims.

MONERO IDIOTS THAT LIVE IN "Safe as Houses" should not throw stones. ;D

PS:
Want more ?
I have probably 50 Monero bookmarks and a bunch of stuff piled up i got from PM's in the last year or two.

Keep jiggling your little 80% secure dick-holsters..
Or maybe better yet just stick to your little forum game here that is and i quote..
"a powerful adoption" asset (that coincidentally made Risto a ton of money and is now being called a scam in the scam section by their very own long term shills)

Times are tough for ole Risto ..he may have to sell another Unicorn or two LOL

PPS:
Note the only douche bags on the forum running a "Forum game" ..for adoption is called a scam.
And it was the 2nd one King Risto launched here.. the first being something he launched to make money off of.. i know because he was bragging to me way back on Poloniex he made thousands on it.
So yeah duh.. of course he launched another one (Retro) for "adoption" reasons  ::)

But oh yeeeeeaaaah Monero is sooooooo fucking legit and ... Dash is not  :D

I stopped reading as everything I bolded is all outright lies. Why don't you try to supply some sources, you can't. Maybe your recolllection is bad or you have been saying these things so long you actually believe them.

The only issue at launch was a crippled miner which was the same with ALL cyptonote coins and inherited from the Scamcoin Bytecoin and was fixed and released. the amount that was easily mined was minimal compared to the amount in existence and was dumped as the miner author wrote about when he was found out.

Spoettard is a lunatic with no life. He's paid by the Darkcoin/Dashcoin tards to attack Monero at any opportunity. Ugly as sin too so they tell him to stay on bitcointalk. Amanda is easier on the eyes so they send her to youtube

I've never been paid for anything.. i simply don't like greedy lying fraud's.

The fact is and this is easily verifiable is that Drama topics about Monero get posted
and then the same idiots roll in and try and shift blame onto Dash.

Then these idiots say i am lying.. on every topic they do it too.
The entire crypto world knows what i am saying is accurate.

All these guys do is play games wasting my time and effort while creating a diversion.
Monero is under fire (yet again) ...so uhhhm Dash this and uhhhh Dash that. ::)

Which i have said is fine.. who cares, go for it.
The problem is yet AGAIN ..this is not a fucking Dash topic.
It's yet ANOTHER fucking topic about Monero bullshit.

Bottom Line:
Monero fuckheads.. you know damn well no one in crypto is going to take your word over mine.
Who is it that keeps getting caught up in drama ?
Would that be Spoetnik's coin or gambling site or million dollar bags or clandestine little coin groups etc ?

Nooooooope that would be YOU dumb fucks.

You see idiots i never got involved with the Dash project and then got caught doing shit i shouldn't have or saying stupid shit etc.
Nor have i ever owned a Monero or Dash coin.

You guys remind me of a 5 year old that gets his hand caught in the cookie jar and then keeps screaming..
NO YOUR HAND IS IN THE JAR !

Good luck with your retarded ANON shitcoin bullshit.. you are going to need it.

considering the price of the coin at that moment when it happen, its just like a victimless crime,   but its not even a crime so its more like a taboo.

but if we see at the Fluffygate "NEWS ANN scam",  theres actual victim which losing money over it and if there is a irrefutable  fact that whales are profiting then we can say that it is a crime.   monero gang still trolling Dash and shilling for XMR is losing all legitimacy at this point

What kind of drugs are you on??? Victimless crime my Ass, Thousands of us wasted days with that retard and then he created Masternodes so his premine scam generated the majority of coins that were left. the entire Dash economy is a sham that keeps on sucking the life out of the fools that buy in. The only thing that pumped it was those 500 Master nodes that went offline and pumped the price. Scammer gonna scam and your one of them with your lies and support.

Fluffy's scammy troll cost very little in comparison but I am pissed about that just because it brought him down to their level.

I dont know are you all bunch of idiots or you are just a bunch of idiots. There was an statement as it was anounced and it was very strong statement that crashed all crypto.  Marketacp went from 90b to 60 in 2 days after Fluffypony stated this on his twitter.

 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAoIDBzXcAAsKgR.jpg

Whoa... whoa... calm down there tiger... i dont get it,  so how did you lose money more than those xmr-trader lose money again ?

Why do we call Monero Shill's cult participants ?
Look at Febo ..he would follow Fluffypony off a cliff.

They do no wrong yet actually do over & over for years.

Then they smooth / smoothie it over often with an "I'm sorry" and all is well.
Such as this scammy ass stunt.. buddy just says he.. tough luck.. you shouldn't listen to people on Twitter.

Seriously ?  :D

Then they try to create another Dash diversion.  ::)

Let me put it this way.. if LEO Coin is a confirmed scam what bearing does that have on Monero and their leaders fucking over the scene on purpose ?
And their contradictory little facade of altruism ?

Like king Risto who said he was not in it for the money and he "forgot" he had 2.2 million dollars in XMR on polo.. yet it was funny when he was laughing and bragging about making 5 grand from kids lunch money on Polo way back.

These guy are shit talking greedy little money grubbing predators.
The reality is.. they get your money.
Then swirl up a tornado of bullshit to cover their tracks after the fact.. over & over.

What the pony boy could have done is say.. "I'm sorry"
Not.. tough luck suckers.

But how the hell do they have supporters ?
What in the hell is wrong with you people ?
Are you that immoral or trapped with bags etc that you refuse to abandon the XMR scam ?

..lemmings straight off a cliff.

Bottom Line:
Those specific guys *ARE* your leaders and YES you *ARE* following them.
No matter how many times they fuck up !
I wouldn't but i have integrity.. not excuses.

https://i.gyazo.com/daaaf157ec1f14a2a1f9a1ac89d2ec5e.png

I know this you know this, but there are 999999 that have no ideas. And at end when all this ICO organisers will sit their sentences and this 9999999 people will lose all their "investment", them and everyone else will believe Monero and Bitcoin is all this ICO scam.  It is our duty to educate them, but I do think we are fighting lost battle.  

What a stupid, blind followers fluffy-retardo xmr have. They are trying hard to twist this stunt carried out by obvious con-artist Ricardo Spagni into some glorious deed.
If I get scammed by a guy, I can learn a lot from it, but it doesn't make him a hero. He is a scammer. And xmr project was made by scammers to scam you xmr folks. You stil have many of them arround.
I'm not the one who can put those links here but maybe there is some good guy who got them all bookmarked  :)

Bookmarked and now added to my collection of Monero drama topics.
You know for a perfect little saint of a coin team etc i sure have a lot of topics saved LOL
LIEK OMG WE DUN NOTHING WRONGS // IT'S DASH I TELLS YOU !!1111ONE

Monero = Untraceable, Secure and 80% Safe As Houses.