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In my opinion there are no pros and all cons. It is a really bad political doctrine.

But I don't want to influence your own opinions, so feel free to share your personal thoughts about communism.

I'd like to hear mainly people who lived under a communist regime, for example Eastern Europe people, Chinese ones, North Koreans (... I guess there are no North Koreans here btw  :-X)

I don't live in a communist country, though communists have been waging a war against us since like forever, bleeding us dry. They like to keep on pointing to China's success, forgetting it only became so when it adopted capitalist policies. Not to mention the inequality, which they can't complain about because it's not a democracy after all.

It seems it's all good in paper but is very hard to implement in reality because it goes against human drive to own and master the material.

Well, I was born a few years after Soviet Union dissolved. But my mom sometimes tells me about life back then. Maybe it's somewhat naive to judge the whole doctrine or country from the view of one person, but she was a typical representative of worker class. For some time she was living in the village, working in the factory and then she was a seller at the shop. Almost everything she tells me about USSR is pretty sad. It was very hard to earn money and even if you managed to collect any and decided to buy a car or appartment (at least take a loan), it was impossible to do legally. You had to go in a line and wait for a several years to be able to buy something like this. Especially if you weren't a member of the Party. Also everyone was stealing on their workplaces, like ALL THE TIME. Maybe its not about communism at all and more about unsuccessfull experiment of building it, but as for me, a real communism cannot exist somewhere outside from people's dreams and a real communism is always some shitty tyrany without anything it promises. In this context I don't see any reasons to talk about ideal concept of communism and it's pros or cons.

Communism doesn't work the proof is in history. The biggest con is that your country will eventually fail and you'll have to start again. The only pro would be for the people in power. They can have whatever they want at the expense of the regular folk. Kinda like Capitalism where the capitalist countries are rich and most people have more than they need. While other countries that make goods for them are poor and impoverished.

Universal income is a solution but that would require a one world government. Not too many people are keen to that idea.

Communism comes from Karl Marks and Engels both persons I would not trust their ideology. They say that the state should command everything and this often has resulted in dictatorship. Fortunately the dictatorship was overthrown in many communist countries. I know this based on reading, I never lived in a communist country thank God.

Communism is a great idea in theory, but history has shown it to be almost impossible to work well on a large scale. This is because organising communism with countries consisting of millions of people will lead to corruption amongst the organisers, and history has shown this to be the case.

"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely." Lord Acton

However, communism can work quite well on a small scale - there are certainly communes of people numbered in the hundreds, that function very efficiently. The important question is, what is the limit of individuals before the system collapses (or begins to degrade)?

In theory communism is a wonder even can be compared with heaven utopia, but as the past and every country who practices like north Korea, Cuba and how to forget the sobiet union this doctrine is not the paradise an in practice will never work.

I lived at a communism and I can compare. Always there are good and bad parties in everything. At a communism bad more than good. In capitalist countries too there are the defects. Trouble is in that that in entire countries where built a communism there was dictatorship. Exactly on this account a communism began to be associated with repressions.

I can talk about the Cons, but where are the pros? I can't find a single positive from communism. Look at the countries where communism is prevalent, such as Cuba and North Korea. I can see only pain and suffering. China is better, but they have moved away from mainstream communism.

I think your example made it pretty clear, it fails because it goes against human nature.


We can't tell but maybe it's no bigger than the Dunbar number - 150. I think anything bigger than that would already feel impersonal.

Communism and dictatorship always walk hand in hand, and am not a big fan of dictatorship because in it we have tyranny and senseless killings.in the end it's only the elite you will enjoy leaving the masses poor.

Nope.
They always HAVE WALKED hand in hand.
But there is no reason for them to do so.
You could have a communism system with direct democracy.
Hence there wouldn't be any political class taking all the power and the money. Production would belong to the people and be managed by the people.

If you are looking for the pros in Communism there isn't many. In every communist uprising it has always just killed tons of people and taken their wealth.

Everyone remembers how Hitler killed 20 million people total, but no one remembers that Stalin killed 30 to 40 million, or Mao killing tens of millions also. The French revolution outright killed lots of people too and was kind of a marxist/communist thing.

Almost any country in South America has gone down the tubes. Right now Venezuela is failing and became a communist dictatorship. Who ever would have thought that if you give all of the power to the government that they would use it? rolls eyes.

 :o

One of us definitely needs to go to school again lol

Btw. I agree with craked5 but until now every communist system was corrupted and then ruled by an higher/inner echelon. So we fore sure would need checks & balances like in a democratic system.

At the end of the day the question is: are human beins inherently corrupt?

You think that in such cases the school can teach something else, if it has not taught anything yet? It seems to me that only the person who really experienced this political system can tell about communism.

And i know for sure such a person is definitely not you lol

See i know you are some of the pinoys who stopped selling shabu because they found out about sig campaigns ::)

Communism is an economic system.
Dictatorship is an political system.

After stating that, I would like to see a democratic nation try to impliment communism (not in my country though).

Jewish Bolshevism, Moses Mordecai Levi Marx, Moses Hess

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Communism has a lot of advantages, but only until it's on paper. As soon as someone tries to build a Communist society have nothing but the red terror does not work. This does not mean that the idea is bad, it may just not born yet the people who can bring this idea to life.

First of all, nowadays pure communism is almost extinct and what remains is socialism.
Unfortunately all countries are supporting socialist ideas in some way. I've seen so many right wing parties trying to cut themselves from the leftist ideology and calling them communists and socialists, while at the same time following socialist way of thinking.
Take taxes for an example. In most countries they are based on income, so that all give according to their ability, but this means that those who have more are forced to give more. It's one of the foundations of communism and socialism.

Problem with taxes is that the ultra rich will simply leave the country if the taxes are to much. On the other side there is the problem with the ultra poor: they will remain poor.

What I mean to point out is that you shouldn't make laws for the ultra poor or the ultra rich to try to make them get close to each other. You should try to make the middel class more abundant. Thats what communism should be about.

Why those who make much money have to pay more? It's not fair. I knew a man who was earning very much, but he was working 18 hours a day. The result of the constant stress he died at 46 years old. And there are people who do nothing at work, receive minimum wage and are dissatisfied with the fact that there are rich. Probably a percentage in taxes has to pay the same, and the amount will be different.

a lot of people also make a lot of money by exploiting someone else. plenty of corporations make a lot of money by exploiting people in third world countries, not paying taxes, etc. so it's not a black and white issues

Agree, if you make so much money that you don't know what to do with it, you should give some to people who are less fortunate than you. But please, let the richer person decide for himself to whom he gives the money.

For example: I am perfectly happy to give money to people who need it, but I dont want to give money to some low life scum who does bad stuff to other people. Sadly, goverment decrees that I should give money to everybody..

Well so far I don't know and haven't found any legit pros of communism but I guess the "real communism hasn't been tried yet", right?
and I think we've all made sure that communism doesn't work.

Well there's a reason communims hasn't survived of all the times some people have tried it.

It is very interesting to read the posts of people who just think they know what communism is the point that Never and never felt what one can feel under communism. Its time even under the Soviet Union, the comma was an opportunity to try to find out what exactly communism is in the country. Under communism a person is a slave, a labor force and no freedom of speech and action.

Actually communism doesn't limit the freedom of speech, it's not built into the system. The fact that communist leaders turn into dictators and rule with an iron fist is somehow the evolution, extension of the system, maybe the result of its weaknesses.
They can't sustain it, so they try to scare people, force them to keep the system going. This oppression grows to the point of breakdown and a revolution and this is how it always ends.

Precisely. All the way back 1900 great thinkers predicted, that only way, that communism (ie. permanent redistribution of wealth and privileges) can work is through tight state control of free speech and even movement of individuals. Political loyalty takes precedence over personal capabilities, it is the opposite of meritocracy by design.

To justify that, you have to turn state in God, erasing any notion of separationf of church and state in the process. All the authority comes from the select few that run the state in name of the People and are not to be questioned. Communism as it was practiced was closer to theocracy, than anything else.

It's turns into a dictatorship later on because first we're not all the same, someone isn't satisfied with going to job every day for the rest of his life, and that person may want to invest into a private businesses and when people like that stand up, they're put down in the moment in order not to speak out against the regime. Communism doesn't work and will never because not all people are the same.

Tho it sounds all nice on paper, it's absolutely not possible in practise.

True and more than that.

Rift between communism and social democracy came, when the latter said, that violence cannot be used as means to an end. Communism already emerged on bones and blood of its opponents and supporters, which dictated its further form.

Both social democracy and communism is not based on equality of opportunity (which is in essence capitalist aswell as christian doctrine), but on idea of equality of outcome. While Das Kapital of Karl Marx did not mention it, tyranny is ultimately tied inherently to communism, because any attempts at it will lead to breach of individual property and freedoms.

The theory of communism is a utopian theory which is based on dreams and does not include an economic component. When there is no properly structured economy always appear dissatisfied and that leads to dictatorship. It is better not to build communism, because the result is obvious and it is confirmed by life.

Confirmed by life.... 3 dictatorships arose in countries who claimed they were communists. That was not real communism, that was just a propaganda strategy to get the power.

You dont know what you are talking about, your education sucks.

Three countries? Where on the map do you see three countries?

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In fact, communism was tried again and again all around the planet through out 20th century. Leaving millions of crushed skulls in its wake. Its leadership always emerged through election of working class (there, the initial democratic phase).

You know who was by far the most ardent communist ever? The one, who took Das Kapital literally? Little brown dude named Pol Pot.

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With education in western university of Sorbonna, in France.  École française de radioélectricité. He was influenced by marxists right there.

He would through shrewd politics eventually get an iron grip on communist party of Cambodia and since the biggest difference between communists and social democracy is the approval of politically motivated violence by the former, the dice was rolled.

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In a single decade, Pol Pot, the revolutionary leader, the visionary, the equalizer managed to exterminate nearly third of his own nation in an attempt to "cleanse it" from capitalism and any traditions and to mold them into "better humans" he murdered up to two million of his countrymen through his goons, starvation and concentration camps.

You wont find humane communism, because then, it wouldnt be communism. Social democracy? Maybe. But not communism.

Communismpromises equal share of the National pie to every individual but in reality it's only the elite few who end up enjoying it and the majority are left to suffer and if they end of protesting they are killed , this sums it up. It's a brutish system.

That's what communism is. They get to the top promising everything for everyone, the fail to provide it as usual, people start protesting, they use force to contain them and then use force and fear to keep it that way, eventually leading the country to collapse. Ok then, name one communist country that succeeded... is it Cuba, Stalin Russia, Venezuela? North Korea maybe?

North Korea went commmunist and far beyond, though. The iron grip of Kim dynasty turned it into theocratic monarchy with "the leader" akin to living god with state being the church, that guides all good Koreans to salvation.

State classified its population on the basis of loyalty (which is hereditary) and previous archievements towards party goals. "Songbun".

https://libertyinnorthkorea.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/songbunvenndiagram2.png

Communism is great if you don't mind being persecuted and watching your family get murdered by the ruling party.  Given the choice I'd much rather live under another Adolf Hitler than another Joseph Stalin. 

And let's not forget about Venezuela who are experiencing the final stage prior to another communist dictatorship.  Watch them and learn.

I am not for communist because communism is bad for the countries economy eventhough it is pro poor or pro farmers. The economy will be bad if you always rely on the poor. It has negative effect in the future so I am from for capitalism because it is good both side the rich and the poor. The business man and the employer.

Actually the farmers get it the worst, the whole idea of Communism is to "seize the means of production".  The state first claims the farmland (collectivization) then executes the feudal owners. 

And don't you think that a poor person in the USA is better off than a poor person in Cuba, Venezuela or North Korea?  So no, it's not actually better for poor people either, it just makes everyone poor so they're all equal in poverty.

Lol
Because nothing changed since 1900 xD
Clearly the world hasn't changed AT ALL
Nothing has been developped to get rid of those problems. There is no actual possibility to give power to people now, your only solution is to have a god state like in USSR.

Clearly.
Obviously.
No other possibility.
Cause it's all like in 1900 right? xD

I'm all for it. A few, and I do mean A FEW, holding most the wealth, and I do mean THE MOST, is simply sickening.

Regrettably Cryptocurrency doesn't necessarily change this. Look at BTC, moguls have BTC the rest has crumbs.

I disagree, ordinary money is controlled by the state, altcoins give the possibility for the people to get a safe currency which cant be dominated by the state.

I lived at a communism to disintegration of the USSR. Time, when many got dressed identical, there were turns in shops. Money was, but to buy it was nothing, especially last years before disintegration. It was forbidden to see many films and listen western music. To my mind are bad times.

i still believe that in everything we do no matter how good our intentions are the effect would always be either negative or positive.
As with communism, it may sound good when you all share what each other has..
But when a corrupt politicians started to become selfish then it will be a different story..
Greed can turn humans into a monster...
And it has already been proven throughout history...

I fancy the irony that supports Communism.
It's an ideology designed for dumb capitalist people. As the dumb are intrinsically greedy, they believe that if everybody splits their wealth with them - yes, they exclude themselves of the share as in their mind they're poor (even if they are millionaires) - they will get more stuff.
Obviously they will fail square on see the obvious, not only they will be on the "givers" side but that the split will not provide as many wealth as they think. For an instance Bill Gates' fortune is somewhere around 80 bln, as there're 7 bln people, if we do a fair split of his fortune everyone would be receiving something around 10 bucks... Ouch! Not much for those dream holidays and new car, isn't it?

I live in Indonesia, actually in the environment of Indonesia there is no communism before there is a communist party Indonesia (PKI)
The communist party of indonesia (PKI) was founded on May 1914 its founder henk sneevliet.
This party incited most of the peasants and created hatred for the Muslims (islam)
They kill and torture the Muslim figures, they (PKI) are very cruel.
I was not alive when communism was happening but I could have concluded they were very cruel

Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. Communism is good.

People isn't perfect but that isn't what makes Communism a non-working fallacy of all cons and pros only to very few at the top of the pyramid. What makes it what it is is the fact that persons are different.
Being different it means that each one of us have a different set of likes, dislikes and interests, this commands the "value of things". If John likes bananas but no apples and Sue likes apples but not bananas therefore bananas will have a higher value to John and be worthless to Sue, in the opposite direction apples are a valuable item to Sue but worthless to John. The Free Market just assumes this simple truth of value floating based on demand, if more people wants a piece of an item and the more scarce is that item to the demand the higher will be its price.

The concept of equal distribution totally fails on assuming items values and making everyone to take it as same value, regardless on how much it worth to each individual.

It was lucky to those people that did not live or does not live in communist countries. While other countries develop in all directions, communist countries develop only in a military plan. Simple people there live very badly.

Any time two people live together, we have some rudimentary form of communism.

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And according to you communism is a viable option. A completely sustainable system that will give power to the people...
That's pure bullshit IMO.
Communism is a flawed system that feeds the masses with ideas that ultimately lead to a downfall of any economy. Just go for a ride across Europe and see how former communist countries differ from the rest. The easiest way to see it is going from Austria or Switzerland to nearby Hungary.

Communism was an ideal theory.
It like other theories had some serious faults.
So, was never implemented.

Don't think that it was an ideal theory. Even the basics were flawed and that is the reason it could never be successfully implemented across the globe. The communist nations such as China and Vietnam prospered only after they abandoned the Communist ideology.

Pro: All those people you hate will starve to death
Con: All those people you love will starve to death

Pro: You'll make as much as your neighbor
Con: You'll make as much as your neighbor

Pro: You know what your life prospects are
Con: Your life prospects are shit

Pro: Everything is free
Con: The lines are free too, and they extend beyond your precinct's limits

Pro: You won't have to worry about those pesky student loans
Con: The job lottery gave you a job that has nothing to do with your specialization, also you want to die at all times of day

Pro: Nobody is richer than you
Con: Just kidding O Glorious Leader is infinitely wealthier than you are

Pro: Criminals can't get guns to kill people with
Con: The government has all the guns and kill people with them if they don't show up to work

Pro: You won't have to worry about buying your own books
Con: All the books are communist propaganda

Pro: No obesity epidemic
Con: You'll have to eat your own daughter when the food is "accidentally" distributed incorrectly

China has not renounced the Communist ideology. They just made adjustments. In fact, China has repeated what he did in Russia after the 1917 revolution when the country lay in ruins. The era of the New Economic Policy in the USSR was the good time for all history of its existence. The different economic policy of China?

China and vietnam have a planned economy with 5 year plans.

Where did we have that before??  ::)

Communism literally derives from "commune" meaning public, ultimately leading to become apart of the political party where power is meant to be communal or public. The "good" of communism is the fact that the gov. is controlled by the people FOR the people and not supposed to benefit any one person individually. The "bad" of it is that human error comes into play and with power comes possesion and lust for more; and to always be in control. So someone in power in a communist society can easily say fuck the people. It is not the system that doesn't work, it is the people notworking with the system. It is not the people that do not work, it is the system. We need to give rid of the social construct that is the government.