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Just so everyone else is aware - OG's coins arent all loaded. I called him out on it but he has deleted my posts in his self modded thread.

the guy is not only a very bad asset manager - he likes to act like the big man.

shame as he holds so much of the forums BTC - why would someone of that standing try to pretend he has a set of loaded coins when he doesn't.

You don't own any "Cass" coins then TMAN? Came to see another collection but just found a 12 year old crybaby.

Edit to add: Can we get a Childrens board set up modded by TMAN so he can be of actual use to a community?

I have a few buddy, but I don't need to get the perfect camera angle to post my cock.. if I wanted to show I would show a decent picture.

unlike some who pretend to be something more than they are.. then delete posts when they are called out

I am not sure if trolling or stupid. This is a *duplicate* of a self-moderated thread.

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So the thread is seemingly designed to mislead people into thinking that the coins are funded (except the 1k one), while in fact they are not, Upon questioning this, your post(s) was deleted? That does not sound good to me. ::)

thats correct lauda - OG deleted my posts where I called him out on it.

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would you be kind enough to take a picture of the holo's on these coins..

personally I think they look better from the back

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Quote from: minerjones on Today at 01:02:46 PM
Any thoughts to getting them all graded??

Would be interesting too see what grade the 1000BTC coin would receive!! Cheesy

He wont get them all graded as they aren't all loaded.. he is full of shit as always.  Bad business man trying to play the big man!


OG is a 2 bob trying to be a G

I just went through the other thread and looked to see where he bragged about the bitcoin value or whether each of them was loaded. Could not find it. Can you guys show me where that statement is?

All I can see is that he has each coin that is made of precious metal which is why he only took pictures of the backs of the coins.

you must be a nasty bag holder... or OG's cum wallet.

his thread indicates that his "set" is complete... then deletes my comments when I ask to see the Holo's

go suck some dirty old man cock in his thread ..

OP made a thread about a new "cass" coin. Was not sure what these were so I clicked in hoping to see a new line of never before seen "Cass" coins. Short for Cassandra? Casserole? not too sure but was a big let down when I came in. Thanks for clearing it up for me Lauda.

Hardware forum has a "Pictures of your Mining Rig" thread with 395pages of people not being assholes to eachother. It would be nice to have something like that here to get new people excited about growing their own collections. Yet here we have members attacking another member because some of his coins may or may not be loaded. Who gives a fuck.

well, your sig certainly confirms the state of the art objectivity you operate with.

i didn't see anything about funding and why should any of us care anyway? it's the glory of the objects themselves.

you obviously missed the auction where he started slagging off Kialara works... keep up with the information then comment.

ok OG lover?

The reason for which we can't have things, are partially the same reason for which this thread was started. The *collectors community* has some very shady characters (clarification: I'm not labeling OgNasty as one), and a lot of *bad things* have happened. If you aren't familiar with them, then you have been living in a cave.

There's nothing to glorify about an incomplete, unloaded Cas set.

No need to hunt for a claim.  All of my Casascius coins I posted are loaded except the 1000 BTC gold one, which has an intact hologram.  I figured everyone already knew this, so I didn't feel a need to say it.  However, there it is.  I've now said it.  TMAN thinking I would lie over 27.1 BTC is just another example of how lost his soul is.

Updated my OP to specify that all Casascius coins pictured have intact holograms.

the same thing happened when another member was angry that he had paid for Casascius Aluminum coins and that Mike hadn't confirmed his purchase for 2-3 weeks. You seem to try and protect all these coin makers but you do it in such an ungraceful way that if I were the creator of Casascius or Kialara I would be embarassed having an uneducated prick such as yourself defending my art.

I didnt miss that auction no. I watched it and saw two respected members give their inputs that Kialara's may have been going for premiums that they did not agree with.

Its funny that you brought up bagholders and you own a whole lot of Kialara Golds/Silvers. The prices of which have not been very high as the price of bitcoin has gone up. You yourself have stated multiple times that you go BTC for BTC when selling Kialaras. Its laughable that other collectors are clueing in that things that have no BTC loaded onto them are going to lose their premium and will be looked at in dollar premiums. Sorry for your loss... I can see where your anger starts from.

why do peeled Casascius 5BTC and Casascius 25BTC coins go for such a premium then Lauda?

then why did you delete my comments in your thread?

prove me wrong OG... you have now made the statement, I will say sorry and delete a shit ton of my posts if you prove it...

i imagine you wont as "they are now tucked away, probably for a long time"

yet again you are full of shit OG - like your "fanclub" and your badly made coins. ROI in 200 years my left nut.

This only makes your decision to censor his post worse. I'm not sure why that was needed?

Because we have a fair number of people with a lot of dough and not a lot of brain. :)

peeled/empty 5 nickels are dirt cheap...

Include a picture, it's not every day you see them all collected at a place.
Won't want to miss the opportunity showing off those nice holos, would we?

I am pretty sure I remember a thread where OG bought a peeled 10.. I could be wrong, but he wont take a picture..

I might start my own fanclub - T-Balls club - 150 year ROI - beats  nasty scam fans..

T-Balls signing out...

While I wish I could put a value on your pending apology, I'd almost rather see your trolling tirade continue until the mods ban your account.  That being said, since you like to mouth off, put your money where your mouth is.  Send 0.1 BTC to blazed to hold in escrow to be sent to me and I will take the time to post pictures of the backs of all of these coins showing their holograms are intact.  I'll even go as far as sending blazed 0.1 BTC as well, and if I fail to produce images of the intact holograms, you can have the BTC.

When I post pictures of the intact holograms though, I want you to delete all your trolling posts and make a public apology thread stating how amazing the USD returns on NastyFans seats have been, how they've destroyed all other investable assets (except BTC), how awesome I am for being the only asset issuer on the GLBSE to continue operations for investors to this day, how minted seats are the most unique idea in physical coins since Casascius coins, that you deeply regret how you let your ill timed Kialara purchases cost you so much BTC, and that you are sorry for taking your bad trades out of me for agreeing with those who pointed it out because you acted out of fear for the losses you expect when trying to offload your collection.

Agreed?

This thread isn't trolling. How about you just post the damn picture?

Completely disagreed. The investments were in BTC, and as such have been doing horribly.

They are not.

In this part of your statement, I can only sense you being full of regret for not buying more Kialara. Unlike some items, they have actually made massive profits in BTC terms (the nonsensical USD measurement isn't required). :-X

Sure I'll send blazed .1 I won't make a thread saying how great your club is though. I'll Dm blazed now for an escrow addy. I want signed and dated paper with those coins on them within an hour of my money hitting the escrow account. Deal?

Can't we all just be friends? Who cares about who has the biggest dick, online? I'm packing air compared to you guys, doesn't stop me from being friendly towards most (accidents happens).

Let's call it a tie and move forward. It's Friday ffs!

Blazed isn't online. I've asked Zepher if he will generate an addy for this.

An hour is enough time.  Your apology to the NastyFans club is required though.  You mouthed off and said a lot of crap that wasn't true.  On top of taking your money, I will require you to display a sign of being humbled.  That is part of the deal.



I don't think I've said anything mean to TMAN or tried to show my dick size.  If you can find a quote of me saying something inappropriate about him, please let me know and I'll apologize for it.

I don't want to call it a tie though.  I want to take TMANs money.



There is no rush, my coins aren't going anywhere.  We can wait for a reputable escrow.  You haven't even agreed to terms yet so that comes first.

I refuse to apologise about nasty scam. I will double the bet stake if that makes it better for you

With no apology I say we each put up 8 BTC.  Let us make this exciting shall we?

0.2 sent from polo - ill post TX in a mo

0.2 sent to the escrow addy.

man up or keep talking. you have 60 mins for time proofed pics - or ill continue to call you out.

I wont apologize about nasty scam. I will apologize about calling you out personally on the cas coins though.


Edit - Txid: 0694efc07511e8679d6480cf775568e30c79feadbc50bd053383f80cd5bfde3b

clock is counting

Let me know when you want to come to an agreement about the bet amount, your apology, and the escrow agent and we can move forward.

You don't make the rules when you're asking me to do something.  I do.


EDIT: I've got the pic ready to go...  We just need to agree on terms and I'll post it.

Ohh big man..

.2 is already with Z a very reputable escrow, I assume you are just stalling for time otherwise you would of posted the pics already.

Actions talk louder than words little man

Once again - I AM STAYING OUT OF THIS, BUT HAPPY TO PROVIDE A FREE ESCROW SERVICE

Now that is out of the way, I can confirm that TMAN has sent 0.2019 BTC (https://blockchain.info/tx/0694efc07511e8679d6480cf775568e30c79feadbc50bd053383f80cd5bfde3b) to the address above.

You are using a member of the Crypto Escrow Team TMAN.
You can submit your information in this form:
(changed buyer/seller to member/member)

Member:
Member:
Escrow fee covered by:
Details of the deal:
Amount in Bitcoin:
Extra details:

In respect to Zepher and your backing of their Service, please follow the rules as escrow is serious on this board.

Yes, please.  Self-escrow is a very serious offense here if that's what is being indicated above.  Can we please get the funds to an independent and trusted escrow agent?  Is there one left other than me?

Pic is ready to go...  Let's get this figured out so I can get paid.

Fuck off

Z has the funds for me.  You don't even have to send any funds now, just post the pic and z can transfer to you

OgNasty, how is this "self-escrow"? I have a very clean track record on this forum and have never screwed anyone over, EVER. I have been entrusted with amounts larger than 50 BTC for members of this forum in single transactions and have always delivered. I actually feel insulted, but I'm not getting into a fight with you, nor anyone. Your accusation of this being "self-escrow" was a little over the top, and unnecessary.

I no longer wish to provide this service. TMAN, please provide an address publicly so I can send a refund. Thanks.

Edit: I would consider myself trusted on this forum, and many others would back that up. You really had zero need to insult me here. But whatever. I don't play these games, I am not a kid. You both have fun.

the terms have changed about 4 times now? how is the escrow agent supposed to determine any legitmacy here. please fill out the form as this is not a game. or Zepher please explain to us how you will decide the winner based upon your discretion and understanding of this public bet. it feels as though TMAN is making a mockery of the CET.

OK, before I post, I want to have an understanding of what will take place.

I get the 0.2 BTC sent to 168WXhArv7Fasqvi2xm5MQMfLhG18jifMe with a reasonable fee.  Agreed.

You also must remove or edit all the posts you've made on my threads to reflect reality in valuation over time (usd terms) and apologize to me along with NastyFans for your behavior as well as admit that 1) the seats have been far more profitable than investing in the S&P 500 or real estate or gold, or any other traditionally available investment, 2) NastyFans is not a Ponzi scheme, 3) I am not running a scam of any kind, nor am I a scammer.  You also agree to keep from spreading mis-information in the future, under your current account or any alternate accounts.

Agreed?

The pic is ready to upload.  Sitting on my desktop.  Also should specify that I've covered the public keys, as I don't wish to give up that information, but will show the holograms are intact.  Just saying that ahead of time, as giving away the public addresses is NOT part of the deal. 

I think when you win the proceeds should be donated to nastyfans club

Nasty fans is a losing bet. I won't change my posts reflecting that, post the pic and I'll remove my posts about the coins being funded. About 40 mins left on the counter..

Post pics or fuck off little man.

Post the picks and then z will release escrow to you. If not I am right.. and I get my btc back, end of

Damn you killyou72.  LOL.  You make a good point.  I will donate 1/2 of the BTC received for this to NastyFans if/when TMAN agrees to actual terms.

Z just said he wouldn't be your escrow agent for this.  I'm waiting for you to get organized.  Seems you've failed to agree to my terms, failed to up the bet to 8 BTC, failed to select a willing escrow...  You're making it difficult for me to post the picture.  I want to post it.  All you have to do is step into reality and man up with the terms.  If you're so sure you're right, who cares what the terms are?

Don't keep trying to delay this until your self-imposed time clock runs out.  I've got the pic ready to go...  You are stalling now.  Lets do this! 

OGNasty in respect to the services of the Crypto Escrow Team you should probably clarify the "self escrow" comment. They are a business as much as Nastyfans are. It is not so much a self escrow as it is TMAN having nicknames for the escrow agent and zero professional respect for how their service is run.

Zepher, I wasn't trying to insult you.  I just feel it is important for both sides to feel comfortable with the escrow agent.  You agree with that line of thinking right?  I'm uncomfortable using you for escrow in a bet with TMAN when you've got a history of saying awful things about me and my organization.  Why would you be offended by that?

I apologize if you took that as an insult to you personally.  

We're getting way off topic here now though.  Someone just tell me how I collect the 0.2 BTC and get the apology I'm owed?

Z doesn't want to be involved so Z - please return to my polo account, - 1GE3QtFs1kt1ZEiewFqy3pf9b2uEPSSr7F

OG - I have sent the .2 again direct to your address. Txid: de6441bbccc4b18a9d0fbd907462f4763db72702829ec8ddd6a101527fdc3a64

now post the Pic or send me my .2 back and fuck off as this has just interrupted dinner with my kids.

Terms are post a pic or fuck off - pretty simple OG - this isn't rocket science or signing a mortgage on a new house.. 30 mins remaining....

i wont apologies to nasty scam - I will apologies to you and remove my posts calling you out if you come through.

stop dodging it - either Shit or get off the pot big man

I am no longer providing the service anyway, so there is no point in me going into that now. I totally understand your request for information on how I would decide the winner - and it is basically this: Once OgNasty had uploaded a photo of the back of the coins showing the holograms untampered with, he would receive the funds to an address of his choice. That's how this all started (a request for a photo of the back of the coins), and that's what would decide the winner from my standpoint.

This is my final comment on this thread.


Where exactly do I have an escrow partnership with TMAN? The CET Team compromises of Blazed, minerjones, Lauda and myself. TMAN has nothing to do with it. You seriously got yourself confused here.

I was just trying to help here, you know. In the end, I end up insulted, and accused of self escrowing. Perfect.


0.2 BTC sent to 1GE3QtFs1kt1ZEiewFqy3pf9b2uEPSSr7F: TXID (https://blockchain.info/tx/255c33434b0349c0d5edb9553699683555e5707c99552ab9a43bfa90ce66fede).

BREAKING NEWS: Man calls friend by obvious nickname in public. teeGUMES shocked.

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I can hardly even post in this thread without people beating me to it. Seems that this is a hot topic.

I think you have confused Tman with Blazed, minerjones and myself. I am not aware of any public partnership between TMAN and Zepher in that sense, which makes your reasoning invalid.

oh shit we have the whole Zeroxal extortion team in here now. watch out bois.

Are you talking about CET?
Because that would be Lauda, minerjones, Blazed and Zepher.
I fail to see how TMAN is connected to that team/"partnership".

Maybe you're thinking about something else here and I'm missing their connection at other projects.

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Only missing QS, although he cant be far. Been creeping around the collectibles section a lot lately.

After 2 days of straight trolling me, am I supposed to be upset by this?

OK, you paid me.  I'll post it when it confirms.

Yeah dude, better insult me and try to frame me for something I didn't do. That'll show 'em!

I'll do escrow just to see how this thing ends.  I don't think pictures with the first bits are required, you can block those out for privacy, an intact holo should be enough.  Let me know if you guys are interested.

Assumptions everywhere, what the fuck is going on? It's still Friday people, no need for all the hostility.

I just want to see the pictures now, I have a feeling og will win this bet but let's see what happens.

Teegumes, if friends can do business and keep it separate, why does it matter? Also, the zeroxal extortion team? Not sure if I heard you right with og's balls so far down your throat (no offense to og) ;D

Right now I hope he does win, otherwise his rep is destroyed.. everyone knows I'm a crazy fool, this guy holds funds for the forum.. I'm just an eccentric collector

Confirmed..

i didn't say anything about friends not being able to do business. if you go back and read what i wrote I was asking for the professional use of a professional escrow team.( it is laid out right in their Crypto Escrow Team thread located here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1938190)  you guys with your friendships here and there need to step back as you are making a mockery of this service.

on the other statement of yours, im not even going to comment. you just obviously just took offense to it and are protecting your friends, i do think i remember you confirming Lauda's pgp signed message in one of the threads. its cute that you collectibles slack channel members all stick up for eachother when someone gets called out.

Any last words before I hit post?

I do thank you for sending the 0.2 BTC though.  With as much time as you've wasted of mine over the last 2 days, that's the least you could do.  I see this as your way of extending an olive branch.

Post is all setup and ready to hit post.  Don't anybody go searching imgur and ruin the fun!  I'll give you one last opportunity to put your foot in your mouth and then I'll hit the button.

We "collectibles slack channel members" also sticked up for you when Xboxthreefixme was fucking you over in an auction, remember?

I'm not sticking up for anyone here. I don't really have any friends here and I'm not part of any slack channels.

However, if I were to be friends with someone I can't post in a thread when someone clearly does or says something that is not appropriate? It has to be me sticking up for someone? I can always make a judgment call and separate friends from business. Or friends from justice?

I'll be your friend and you can join my slack channel.  :)

I like to think of you all as friends.  We all have the same passion.  Even those of you who hate me.  I still love you.

That doesn't count. Anyone who talks in any other means than public forum are simply disciples of Satan himself. Do you not get it?

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Yes. To teeGUMES the world is literally that black and white.

Lutpin if you go back and read every name I've been called in this thread, and then go back and read how unbiased I was (except for my dislike of TMAN) you can see it was undeserved. We don't all have to be friends but if I see someone wronged I will speak up (such as myself asking for clarification about Og's use of the word self-escrow which I did not agree with). Throughout the thread I only asked for clarification (except my cheapshots at TMAN when I could get them in).

As for the Xboxthreefixme bullshit, I appreciate that and it is what a community should be like. He was going to offer singles auctions but I believe we ran him off this forum for good. That is the kind of thing I will always stick up for whether it be a newbie member, TMAN(as much as I like throwing rocks at him), or any other member here.

I'm not part of any collectibles Slack Channel due to the infestation of malicious people inside of those. I'm sure that some others are also no longer participating in any such channel(s). You're confused.

Let's not delay this further and waste everyone's time. Just post the picture.

Yes, because you've all been so respectful of my time.  ::)



Just waiting on one last classic TMAN reply so that I can hit post.  Perhaps he's stalling so he can try and claim that the hour passed without a pic?

There was a time when I considered everyone here in collectibles a friend. But over the course of several slack chats and people getting fucked left and right as well as a very hostile jargon I got fed up. I've actually become cynical and feel true hate towards certain people here, not because I want to and trust my I've tried fighting it but I can't. The bullshit, the lies, it's too much.

I once wondered why the influx of new members to these sections was so low, but after the past 6 months I get why not many new faces decides to stay. No matter if you sometimes try to do the "right" thing you'll always end up making some people angry and get a few enemies out of it.

That's all, this place has made me depressed I believe.

I have said I am eating with my kids, i disrupted my meal to send funds direct to you. Now just post it and stop being a drama queen.  either post some pics or send the funds back with an additional .2

I'm sorry to hear that.  I left the slack group you're referring to for the same reasons.  It is a shame we can't all get along.  It really is only hurting our own community.  I can't even post pictures for you guys of rare coins without being attacked.  Oh well...

OK, I've created enough suspense.  It seems this has boiled down to people just attacking each other now, so I'll post.  Now we get to see what sort of drama me posting a pic of the backs will create.  Surely nothing I do can be without controversy.

Thanks for the post, of you wouldn't mind a date stamp with your name. Then the funds are yours and I will write a personal apology

You're welcome and thank you for not disappointing with your response.  Now let me try...

Sure, right after you sign the address that sent the funds proving it was you who sent them.  :D

I hope that you aren't being serious? Otherwise it sounds to me like you've deliberately mislead him in order to scam him for this measly amount. A picture that at least does not include the current date and/or username is useless.

as per the above you have failed to meet the terms of our agreement. no date or name on the picture.

1GE3QtFs1kt1ZEiewFqy3pf9b2uEPSSr7F

I look forward to receiving the .4BTC I wonder what shitcoin ill spunk this on.

de6441bbccc4b18a9d0fbd907462f4763db72702829ec8ddd6a101527fdc3a64 was my TX direct to OG more than an hour has passed and he has failed to provide a signed and dated photo as agreed.

OgNasty, I would appreciate an apology for your unfounded accusation/misunderstanding against me. You have totally ignored what I have had to say since myself and others have corrected you. All I was trying to do here was help/supply a quick and free service to resolve this ridiculous situation that has been going on, and you made me sound like an untrustworthy/biased person solely due to your own misunderstanding on who is in the CET Escrow Team, and who isn't.

Being accused of self escrowing is, in your own words, a very serious offence on this forum, and you have as yet still not corrected yourself on the fact that you think TMAN had any sort of partnership with me (or the CET Team) with relation to supplying escrow services. Stating things like that is damaging to ones reputation, especially when said by someone with a status like yours, and I would very much appreciate it if you could correct yourself on this.

I am not trying to cause any further drama here, but I am the one who has had their reputation questioned and damaged by the "top escrow person" on this forum, solely because of YOUR own misunderstanding.

With thanks.

Zepher

just quoting for reference, no timed proof in the Pictures in other thread..

see post above for my polo addy OG..

you played me with the self modded thread.. you played yourself with all the delays, leave the drama to the thespians and next time do as Nike says "Just do it" then you would of won my money as I would of called for the dated/named proof earlier. 

I didn't ignore you.  I apologized publicly as soon as I saw you were offended.  This isn't the first time you've mistaken my statements as a personal attack.  I'm not trying to attack you now or ever, relax.  I bolded the apology for you since you quoted me around it, and I won't even ask for your apology for the things you said about NastyFans in the slack channel, which were far worse and provably untrue.  I also removed what I believed were the remarks you took offense to out of respect for a fellow human being who I appear to have upset.  If I missed something let me know.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1945817.msg19329934#msg19329934

You did not correct yourself on the fact that you thought this was a "self-escrow", nor the misunderstanding of TMAN being part of CET - and that is what I am referring to.

Don't worry about it, it's done now. I hope both you and TMAN resolve this issue of yours.

By the way, I am perfectly relaxed - I just don't like being accused of things that are untrue, and especially of this severity. I wish I had just stayed out of this now. I know for the future.

You have friends here. :)

Regards,
Me

+1. :)

trust us on that :)

Thanks guys, i appreciate it! I may have been a bit dramatic but sometimes it sure feels bad.

That's what you get for wearing your heart on your sleeve I guess..

Snow bunny we all love you. Now put the Tampon away and get the popcorn, as OG hasn't posted and he lost the bet..

know the feel man!
it's ok :)

Congrats, you now know how TMAN made me feel.  Imagine if I trolled all your threads doing it with no apology or correction...  I'm a really busy person and this guy has me digging coins out of a difficult to reach safe in order to prove I'm not a liar.  

NOT DIRECTED AT Zepher (see I'm learning your personality already):
If we can't start making this a fun place to participate in Bitcoin conversations, all that will be left is the scammers and spammers.  TMAN's behavior shouldn't be accepted by this community.  He got offended by me agreeing with blazed's opinion (but of course blazed having the opinion was fine) and launched an attack campaign to try and censor and discredit me.  Stand up for each other and quit attacking the people who do.  Show some decency...  You want to show you're a man, stick up for what's right.  I left the slack group that TMAN and others participate in because I was tired of this type of behavior.  Seeing it come onto the forum should be disappointing to us all.

I posted it, now guess what you get to do.  8)

Don't worry, I can wait while you compose the promised apology thread.

The request was a dated pic so we all know its current. The time has passed, you lost as per the terms of the thread. Please send my .2 and my .2 winnings to the address posted

I provided what was requested.  I have the original images and can prove they were taken well within any imposed deadline.  I can even take more with my username and a date or whatever on it.  Not that big of a deal if further proof is needed beyond what was originally agreed.  TMAN set the going rate at 0.2 BTC for a picture of my collection.  TMAN, if you'd like to bet another 0.2 BTC that I can't come up with a pic showing my username, I'd be happy to go double or nothing.

Otherwise, I'm very curious how people will respond to your opinion that these are still not my coins. 

Anyone else agree with TMAN that I someone lost this bet?

i have absolutely no idea what's going on in this thread. obviously there's a bunch of history swirling around. i can't believe grown adults would be betting or demanding hundreds of dollars in bitcoin over coin ownership when there isn't even a sale involved.

Date stamped pics are standard, that is what was requested not once but twice in the thread. you seem to be trying to back out of paying me. you did not supply a picture with your details and the date/time stamp...

and you have self escrowed this deal as you were the "ONLY" available trusted member available - yet you and your little lover gummy questioned Zepher and said "self escrowing is baaad" even though those boys have fuck all to do with me...  but its ok when you do it - you quickly agreed to self escrow this bet..

really showing your true side here OG....

now as you will never back down and never admit you are wrong we are at a bit of a roadblock aren't we!! maybe we should let the community decide the winner of the bet, Id be more than happy to let the community decide - that is people who have traded in this forum, not your band of Nasty lovers.

should they decide I lost the bet then you keep the .2 and I will write a public apology - should they decide you lost I will expect my winnings (with a decent fee) sent back to me ASAP. Or do you not trust the community that you so often refer to?

Is this a cheerleading squad? ::)

Minor correction: People were tired of you.

Incorrect. You have failed to provide adequate/requested proof. You were to provide a picture containing write data on a paper. This was not the case.

You're seem very naive. :)

clearly i am.

can anyone provide an explanation for us spectators as to why this is has become such a hot topic? all i can figure out is that someone's displaying their funded coins and the other guy is saying 'no you're not'.

if it were me i would  say 'uh, ok' and continue with my life and enjoy my collection.

Bolded your error. First terms were that an escrow be used to keep this fair. TMAN took it upon himself to pay 0.2BTC to OgNasty. I am still waiting for an escrow agent to be chosen and terms agreed upon. Not sure why TMAN tipped OgNasty 0.2BTC?

this all started with OG - Agreed.  My advice, sell 'em if you got 'em while people still think these prices are in the realm of sanity.
in this thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1931778.20

its quite well known that I have one of the worlds largest collections of kialara works, so I stood up for max - it escalated to this.. and now OG is backing out of his "self escrowed" bet.. something that was so wrong for anyone else but himself to do..

If you want to ruin your reputation by backing out from a mutual agreement, thereby effectively scamming the other party, so be it.

No error here. I advise that you get comprehension lessons as soon as possible. TMAN effectively made OgNasty *escrow* the 0.2 BTC, which was implicitly (or arguably explicitly) agreed by both parties. You only need to read their posts to understand.

no Og sucker... he escrowed the bet - read the thread, he was happy to self escrow.  I really wish you read before you spoke, either that or took his balls out your eyes so you can see.

can you guys quote where this is said. all i see is OgNasty confirming that you paid him admitting that you were wrong about his coins

Damn Lauda.  You were the one that got kicked out of the group and I went to bat for you to get your negative trust from BG4 removed as well as begged the group to let you back in.  How soon we forget...

I left on my own accord.

At no point did I say I would escrow the bet or write anything on a piece of paper.  You said you'd give me 0.2 BTC to post a pic of the backs, I did.  The terms were very simply stated by you. 



Why are you now trying to complicate things? 

What are you talking about? This could not be further from the reality. In no way was I ever kicked from any kind of chat group. That BG4 nonsense, you did because of BG4 and not me. End of.

These were the terms. What you quoted is just a mini repetition of the actual terms.

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The manipulator is at it again, unfortunately.

the time stamp was requested twice previously.. seems like other members agree with me. you accepted the wager from me so you accepted to escrow the bet as "the only trusted escrow available"

now you will try to slime your way out of it... so let the community that you love so much decide - I opened a poll and I am happy to let the result of that poll decide the winner even though you lost the bet as I requested proof twice, or are your eyes going OG?

I didn't agree to those terms after people pointed out he kept changing them, which is why my quote showing the terms is ~40 minutes after yours.

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OG you tried to change the terms - the one consistent thing was time stamped pics - as is standard for proof of current ownership in this forum..  is the forums "most trusted escrow" trying to weasel out of paying a measly 0.2BTC bet?? wow what will that do for your trust and your business?

OgNasty's wagers were 0.1BTC and 8BTC. You can't just go sending bitcoin to people's publicly known addresses and say it is acceptance of terms not yet accepted.

Waiting for another insult from TMAN.

The terms of the picture were already designed previously and posted. This has not changed. Regardless, if there was a complete misunderstanding regarding the terms, then the only rightful thing would be to nullify this agreement and return any funds to their respective owners.

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Personal note: I don't see you having the decency for such action though.

Lauda, as a member of the Crypto Escrow Team (CET) can you let me know which comments show either member, TMAN or OgNasty accepting terms without changing them in a further comment.
The "complete misunderstanding" of terms is why an escrow agent would be used and would be deemed by them nullification of said agreement. What further would happen that if two members, any members, decide to bypass yourself as an escrow agent and sent money to another person without having any agreement agreed upon.

Yes, there were misunderstandings so TMAN made it really simple.

OG - It is standard practice to provide time stamps, I requested it twice in the thread. Are you really trying to back out of a bet for such a tiny amount? "the most trusted forum member" that you are??

really over .2BTC ?? are you that skint?

Lauda I really am excited to hear your response. Dont forget to reply.
This will either make or break your Crypto Escrow Team (don't worry there are 3 other members on the team that I trust). If you can provide proof that I have missed something in this thread then I am very ready to admit I overlooked something. Currently though it looks as though you are casting shade on your team.

gobble gobble OG's cock...

the terms were set when I sent the bet - twice it has been referenced that the pic should be time stamped - this is standard procedure.....

you and OG must have each others cum in your eyes.

Neither of us are backing out of this bet no matter how hard you try to make it happen.  Your mouth wrote a check and it got cashed.

I think I just proved I'm not that "skint" with the picture.  :D  

every time i ask for proof you insult me. i dont care who OgNasty is or was, I believe i have used him for escrow once as the seller chose him to escrow our deal.
less insults more proof you clown.

my post with the TX - it asks for a time stamped picture, same as I had earlier in the thread. OG did not supply that within the 60 mins requested - no other discussion needed.

anything else you require you cum gurgle

yea im looking for where OgNasty bypassed the escrow agent and told you to send the 0.2BTC to him. Also where 0.2BTC was agreed upon.

you cant just send bitcoin to somebodys publicly known address ( he gave it so the escrow agent would know where to send the bitcoin ) and use it as proof that the other person in the bet has agreed to your terms.

then he should of returned the funds... but as "the most trusted escrow available" he took it upon himself to accept the responsibility of escrowing my half of the bet, please read the thread fully again, you do seem to struggle.

No. Things were changing on the go, by both parties.

I don't find this situation extremely complex. Generally you use an escrow when you're dealing with a non-reputable member because you are unsure how they are going to:
1) Transact (i.e. concerns regarding the safety of the actual funds/goods).
2) React in case of complications (such as this one).

If I were the escrow agent in this particular transaction, I would have nullified it (as per my previous post). OgNasty has made several fatal flaws here:
1) He asked for Blazed who was unavailable at the time, and dismissed Zepher as a reputable escrow.
2) Furthermore, he implicitly stated that Blazed and he were the only *reputable* escrows even though several escrows were participating in this thread (Zepher, Lutpin, myself).
3) Changing terms (TMAN is guilty of this as well).
4) Not posting a time-stamped picture. Are we crypto amateurs? In what reality would someone educated in this field consider a non-time-stamped (which is a bare minimum) picture as proof of anything?

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Due to the way that OgNasty has handled some complicated situations in the past (of which I'm sure you are not informed about), I would never use him as an escrow yet alone consider him a *reputable escrow*.


I wholeheartedly disagree. TMAN is under the impression that his initial list of terms were the ones that were to be used in this arrangement. On the other side, you do not think the same. I, as a participant of this thread, was under the impression that the picture had to be:
1) Posted within 60 minutes.
2) *Time proofed* (as TMAN has put it).

If either one of those was not fulfilled, you would be on the losing side. I am sure that many others have understood this the same way as I did. Therefore, this is a huge misunderstanding which is why it would only be righteous to nullify the arrangement and move on.

you dont even have to quote the comment. just tell me which # it is and ill go back and read it. in my opinion you paid OgNasty because you lost the bet. there was no other reason for you to send bitcoin to OgNasty other than that you agreed you lost the bet.

The funds were sent before the picture was posted, therefore TMAN could not have known whether he was the winner or loser at the time of the transaction.

are you that retarded? I paid to OG 50 minutes before he posted a picture. fuck me the cum must be strong...

ah the things i want to say to you but im not willing to stoop to your level. its okay though, everybody on here can see how you act towards people that dont agree with anything that comes from you. you may even win the "community vote" because coin makers/possible traders will be scared to buy or sell anything to you as you will have their address and name in hand.

im fed up with sig spammers like yourself who ruin this community - sure I have a potty mouth, so what.

OG is a snake oil salesman and you are one of his clients. just read the thread and comprehend it all before commenting, stop worrying about post count and I will not be rude. people like you, Kill you and HabBear make this place a shit hole.

I'm waiting for your response.

This is nonsensical. Every person in CET is a separate individual for individual transactions. The Team part is solely in regards to transactions which require multiple individuals, and you get to pick whoever you want anyways.

sig spammer? you just cant think rationally anymore can you? its all insults everywhere. i have no "sig" and never will. the only one upping their post count with useless nonsense is yourself calling me a cum wallet or gobble gobble. you are nothing but cancer to this board. people are scared to say anything because it might upset you. i however dont give a fuck who you are or what you do. ognasty can also be thrown into that category. ive read everything since the beginning and you jumped the gun and sent funds without having an agreement in place. hopefully your wife takes care of the finances around the house because holy shit you and your kids would be homeless.

one of his clients? i actually do not like the look of the nastyfans seats and thats why I dont own any. you continuously jump to conclusions and so far from what I've seen they have all been wrong. Enjoy your 4BTC+ Kialaras that are now selling for 1.XBTC.

im starting to think you really did need that 0.2BTC. times are getting tough in the TMAN household.

Damn... I am running out of popcorn  ;D

Sorry but did you say anything for me to respond to? I give it to you that the funds were sent before the picture was provided, that is fair. But like I said, the public address was not given to TMAN, it was given up for the escrow agent to send the escrowed funds to.
If OgNasty agreed to these terms i would hope that he signed a message from that address or a different address to show us that he is in control of the 0.2BTC that he would be putting up against TMAN's.

There is a massive post that nobody has responded to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1945817.msg19333110#msg19333110. Similarly, OgNasty didn't really admit to being wrong about that "self-escrow partnership" nonsense either.

tee some of us don't need an escrow, our word is good enough on a deal, god I sent someone more than 6BTC this week and I was sent 10BTC less than 2 weeks ago all without escrow.

now I apologize for cunting you off so much, if you would like to ask some valid questions, please read the thread again and ask away - please note the times on posts..

Dude, I've barely had any interaction with teeGUMES over the years.  Many others think the same as him (I've gotten plenty of messages to prove it), they just don't want to endure the Lauda/TMAN wrath that comes with any statement against your opinions.  Especially after me agreeing with Blazed turned into this.  Maybe that's what you want, to bully everyone into being afraid of disagreeing with you.  Well, I'm not afraid to share my opinion and neither is teeGUMES and there will be more and more people sick of your behavior coming forward the longer you keep up this act.  You are in the wrong.  You've always been in the wrong.  Apologize and move on.  I get that you're hoping that 0.2 BTC will buy some community distrust of me, but it won't outside of your little circle and it's icing on the cake that I'm donating 1/2 to NastyFans as a result.

Now if you require to see a time stamp, then I require access to you polo account in order to refund you just to be sure the funds came from you.  You can go ahead and withdraw all your funds first and change your password after so you don't have to trust me.  I'd love to see the activity on your account for yesterday, when someone else tried to force me to take escrow funds from polo that turned out to be a scam attempt.  Maybe I should contact polo and let them know what happened and see if they can identify the user account responsible.  Would you like me to start walking down that path and see where it leads?

Thank you for that, I am pretty genuine in what I choose to post, i try not to take sides and am here to buy or trade the coins that cross the Collectibles forum.

I was sincere in posting what I have quoted under this. It would have solved this whole fight and could have stimulated a few more bets across this forum.. raffles/sales get boring every once inawhile.. why not a bet or two here and there for excitement. Your response to the quote below was unnecessary and uncalled for and is what started off my slew of posts.

WTF... John Brown is my contact at polo, contact him I believe he is the security and compliance manager, more than happy to disclose this information via Polo you are straight up smoking some dodgy crack if you think I would give you access to anything of mine when you cant even honor a simple bet requesting a time stamp.

I am not bullying anyone, if someone has a valid point I am more than open to listening - unlike yourself.  what I cannot stand is signature spammers as they pollute this forum as much as your silly silver shitcoins do.. so lets contact polo for details of my withdrawals yesterday and once that is covered you can agree you lost the bet and I will donate all to wikileaks.

I've already won the bet, even your own poll shows it and you had the first 5 votes before I could even load the thread (???).  If you wish to add further stipulations and go double or nothing, I'm happy to oblige.  Otherwise, my time that you've paid for is just about up.

the poll ends tomorrow, I have not voted twice and I am welcoming any mod to IP check the votes. yet again you have dodged the question regarding just giving the money to charity. So what will be will be. I do not accept that you have won the bet as I stipulated twice that I needed proof that the picture was today, you failed to do that within the allotted time.

therefore if you as escrow take the funds then we will have to take this to the appropriate section of the forum to resolve disputes... as a trusted escrow I am unsure why you would continue with this action when you have the option to either let the community decide on the bet or give the funds to charity.

at least the nasty fans will see what you are really like, and I am sure this will of put off many people from using you as an escrow. How will this affect me? Nada - this is just fun for me, I have a real job...

At no point did I say I would escrow anything.  Stop trying to bring my escrow into this.  I said I would use blazed as escrow, you then said you sent the funds to my public address.  That's because you know any reasonable escrow agent would have released the funds to me as I clearly won, but this way you can continue on with your drama.  Everyone sees it.  All this because I agreed with Blazed's statement about Kialaras.

if you were a reasonable escrow you would of refused to take the funds, but you arent.. btw where is nonnakip, do you need to change browsers to post as him? quick VPN to germany to post...

you have had many chances to prove yourself as a reasonable person, you have failed numerous times. This isnt about a pissy  .2BTC i have said we should give the full .4BTC to wikileaks.. This is now about you, a terrible asset manager, a bitter individual who likes to try to attack other coin makers and a shitty escrow. You cant even see the damage you are doing to your own rep here.

look in the mirror and have a word with nonnakip. He might tell you to put your tampon back in and give the BTC to charity - or let the community decide the outcome of the bet.

you accepted the funds, you accepted being escrow while holding the funds - my address was posted in the thread - Zepher (a much more reasonable escrow than you) returned funds to that address - if you had not been a greedy selfish cunt, would of done the same..

cheers

T-Balls!

That is the biggest compliment you could ever give me.  I've accepted that I will never have nonnakip's skills, but it's fun to think about.  

Thank you for that.  Sincerely.  

EDIT:  For comic relief and brutal honesty...  If nonnakip is the LeBron James of coding, I am a monkey at the zoo tossing my feces into a pond by comparison.

WTF - you want to be your alter ego? alright Stan...

ignore the pertinent points about you being a shit escrow ETC, and the fact that this could of been resolved by giving funds to charity - you decide to keep fighting the crazy man? really?

are you so far up your own backside that you cant see ? you are damaging your own rep and will loose business moving forwards by fighting this - you lost a bet and you chose to not act like a reasonable adult but fight the swearing nutter?

good luck with that nano.. you keep at it, and good luck with future escrows..

BTW - you did not win the bet - those escrow funds need to stay in escrow until this is resolved. once again wikileaks should get the full .4BTC as you seem to of dismissed letting the community decide who won.. you know that same community you do everything for

Thank you for the good luck wishes.  I also wish you good luck in selling your Kialaras.  I won't be donating to Wikileaks, I'll be donating 0.1 BTC to NastyFans and keeping the rest for providing the picture as I promised.  Thanks again.  First sending me BTC, then compliments, and now well wishes.  I like this new TMAN.  :)

you are stealing funds from Escrow.

I guess its a scam thread then as you are so unreasonable to take any other option.

At no point was it an escrow.  If it was meant to be held in escrow, you forgot to include the fee...  Also, I require a signed statement from the sending address to prove you own it before refunding escrows since we didn't discuss you sending a payment to my address beforehand privately and I can't ensure it was sent from you.

Also, you lost the bet...

So what is it, did you underpay the bet by skimping on escrow fees, or did you send me funds for a bet and then ask for them back after you lost?  I want to be clear on this.

you know very well I do not control the address the funds were sent from, I quoted in the thread I was sending from Polo. You were escrow as Z refused to get involved once it started kicking off. you accepted the funds and accepted escrow responsibility - this is not cricket as you rightly pointed out earlier in the thread.

I did not lose the bet as the picture showed no proof it was today. its pretty clear that is what I stipulated twice in the thread and other trusted members have picked the point up -  therefore you are stealing the funds.

your refusal to listen to anyone else other than yourself has left me no option than to open a scam thread.

its similar to the NF page - initially it was shares then seats... enjoy OG/Nano - whatever you are going to be today to avoid the IRS.  you had multiple options to fix this and refused, any reputable member would of returned the funds or asked another escrow to take over.

Do you guys still need an escrow? I can help you guys with your bet if you are still in need of assistance!