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Title: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: zero3112 on May 04, 2013, 10:13:17 PM I am looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC which is all the bitcoins I currently have available right now. I can buy smaller amounts I guess but I want to trade my 1.37 BTC in the end for XRP.
The exchange rate will be 1 BTC = 17,518 XRP For any new users who got 20,000 in the XRP giveaway if you don't want your coins I will buy them from you for 1.14 btc for 19,800 XRP since you can't send all of 20,000 XRP out of an ripple account. PM me if you have any XRP you looking to sell NOTE: I only have 1.37 BTC so I can't buy more then 24,000 XRP. Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: foofight on May 05, 2013, 01:27:41 AM Good trader. To quick to judge, hes a good guy.
Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 04:38:25 AM foofight is a scammer he scammed 1.37 BTC and never sent any ripple like he said.
Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: Raoul Duke on May 05, 2013, 04:53:27 AM foofight is a scammer he scammed 1.37 BTC and never sent any ripple like he said. He does have a scammer tag. Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 05:06:43 AM He didn't have a scammer tag before so it was hard to know once I got scammed I reported it right away and he got a scammer tag but before that there was no way to know if he was a scammer.
Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 05:07:24 AM Edit fix: John K. was not the escrow. The scammer sent fake forwarded escrow messages. Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: Tomatocage on May 05, 2013, 05:16:17 AM We did a escrow but it looks like escrows don't work he ran off with the coins. Who did you use for escrow? Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 05:22:44 AM The scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K.
Edit fix: John K. was not the escrow. The scammer sent fake forwarded escrow messages. Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: John (John K.) on May 05, 2013, 05:24:08 AM We did a escrow but it looks like escrows don't work he ran off with the coins. Who did you use for escrow? Holy shit, I WAS NOT THE ESCROW damnit. OP got a PM from foofight stating that I was escrowing the deal, and sent the coins to the address foofight 'forwarded' to him blindly. I escrow around 2k BTC PER WEEK and it does not make sense that I would run for this amount. >:( This signature is fake, right? Quote from: Bitcoin Forum zero3112 has reported the below personal message, sent by foofight, for the following reason: foofight is a scammer Below are the original contents of the personal message which was reported: Message forwarded. Attached. Please note that I might be going out soon for lunch (in approx. 10 mins), so please proceed with sending 24,000 ripples if you see the 1.37BTC having 3 confs in the address below. Be rest assured that I will be releasing the funds when I get back. Thanks, John -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The escrow address for Foofight(the seller) and zero3112(the buyer) transaction would be: 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb Please state and agree to the conditions (if item is received damaged, item lost with tracking, customs fee etc) beforehand. If possible, GPG sign your agreement to prevent any discrepancies later on and please ship with tracking to prevent problems during delivery. GPG signing is not a requirement, and any verbal exchange in the form of private messages or posts on bitcointalk.org, or email is effective as a ‘statement of condition’. The fine print: This Contract is solely generated for the purpose of facilitating the transaction between the seller and the buyer, which refers to the pseudonyms used on bitcointalk.org. The escrow holder, John, assumes and gives no liability or guarantees on the satisfaction of all parties involved, although he agrees to mediate and facilitate the deal to the fullest extent he is capable of. On the event that any problems arises, he will release the escrow to whichever party that presents him with the most convincing proof and/or after an open discussion with others or theymos. The verbal acceptance by both parties (or the failure to reject) and the sending of Bitcoins to the escrow address above constitutes the acceptance of the terms and conditions stated, and the activation of this Contract. Please understand that I am assuming the risk of holding the escrowed Bitcoins, and I am using my own time to facilitate this transaction. If possible, please tip me at 1NB1KFnFqnP3WSDZQrWV3pfmph5fWRyadz . Thank you. John (the escrow holder) 3 May 2013 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRhHjqAAoJEINT5jezqu6w/HYQAJLKKf8tlW99ILq82fMzXMXi c82sIsbklHect0yHSYNPReMmnufiAjJS79arCq42gY+btDePJCY0wKFY+j4i/5XH oKpgy4dDSusrL6Ctb0GpCPZs3IuC6YSQ0Gibq6eoEkjxFP+esH19bN0XnUJi+8ES L7f7K9zxdvpHV4hz/hq6ilY9FVkqYetgSX4YhOY+wOPI6GJ3y5NHhKm/i0/0NWQ+ l1ediFVWsllmR1UhDCIobq7wO324JPKQ80sDFWKLTP6QLHxOAeXxdxrwIYdQd7io PN9fqy1Yx+c9qyriHKLfd4lVx5gu5hpD86/Nrnc1xD0ZqDEwODTD5BuHdqaJLu93 n5PIXlRRxHj3WKHzpPEuOJgCnS37rQPO7E/pCncX3z787TECSFe6NtNxz9kXU6Y0 SvJ1gvdk4GGfKj1jDIS0J98Uw6Q13KpjjzuvqbYu0c9ATnkheK5Ttdtft98AjYu4 sE0rVc4GoIq1TBEYiuiuMXUICtXTuU98pXRTVqdvDs16Pth0gDVGMXwwqGvUiFLn oct6AvwIhDPjhsaHJDjxlAvkirWuqRu1GKqRLHns+JU9EhoNQBPzt8E9YbN5Eyrv YzcLRo7KgSuCxJ6iWXrRgb1mcNGcNxsyR2hL3rq0b3LxUdl9MneYxO11rqwpFOLJ nc4LGI5NRYR0AifLBwq8 =Qv7T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: shibaji on May 05, 2013, 05:25:20 AM The scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. Huh?! Did you have proof that he setup the escrow with John ? I do not see any note by John here. Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: Tomatocage on May 05, 2013, 05:25:48 AM Holy shit, I WAS NOT THE ESCROW damnit. OP got a PM from foofight stating that I was escrowing the deal, and sent the coins to the address foofight 'forwarded' to him blindly. I escrow around 2k BTC PER WEEK and it does not make sense that I would run for this amount. >:( I think OP needs to change his name to zeroIQ. Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: John (John K.) on May 05, 2013, 05:26:50 AM The scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. .... You don't understand how escrows work, don't you? You need to verify that it's the escrow you're sending the funds to. Hell, I GPG sign every escrow contract I send out, be it 1 BTC or 1000BTC - if the signature is wrong IT ISN'T ME! In this case, you didn't even verify if it was me who sent you the escrow contract directly via PM. >:( Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: Tomatocage on May 05, 2013, 05:27:26 AM The scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. Huh?! Did you have proof that he setup the escrow with John ? I do not see any note by John here. Hey man, John K said he'd do escrow for our deal. He told me to send the funds to his escrow address 1GG3CLYd36tmU2X73rmHYzsTtaJcNwMcCC. Once I see the first confirmation to that address, I'll send you your coins. Get it? Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: ChinaCoin on May 05, 2013, 05:28:06 AM The scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. .... You don't understand how escrows work, don't you? You need to verify that it's the escrow you're sending the funds to. Hell, I GPG sign every escrow contract I send out, be it 1 BTC or 1000BTC - if the signature is wrong IT ISN'T ME! In this case, you didn't even verify if it was me who sent you the escrow contract directly via PM. >:( Can you do escrows without having to do GPG signatures? That is a pain in the ass and I'd prefer not to use them. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 05:28:19 AM Who is OP
Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: Tomatocage on May 05, 2013, 05:29:06 AM Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 05:29:28 AM Yes he forward the message he received from John K.
The scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. Huh?! Did you have proof that he setup the escrow with John ? I do not see any note by John here. Hey man, John K said he'd do escrow for our deal. He told me to send the funds to his escrow address 1GG3CLYd36tmU2X73rmHYzsTtaJcNwMcCC. Once I see the first confirmation to that address, I'll send you your coins. Get it? Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: John (John K.) on May 05, 2013, 05:30:34 AM The scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. .... You don't understand how escrows work, don't you? You need to verify that it's the escrow you're sending the funds to. Hell, I GPG sign every escrow contract I send out, be it 1 BTC or 1000BTC - if the signature is wrong IT ISN'T ME! In this case, you didn't even verify if it was me who sent you the escrow contract directly via PM. >:( Can you do escrows without having to do GPG signatures? That is a pain in the ass and I'd prefer not to use them. GPG signatures are for the security of the users involved - I know most people are not verifying that the signatures are valid, but it makes sense when you're dealing with 1k+ BTC. Also, I send the contract out via my account directly... that would be the baseline to confirm that I sent this contract out. :-\ Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: drakahn on May 05, 2013, 05:31:49 AM Yes he forward the message he received from John K. No he created the message, you didn't check the signature, John was never involved, you sent your coins straight to the scammerThe scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. Huh?! Did you have proof that he setup the escrow with John ? I do not see any note by John here. Hey man, John K said he'd do escrow for our deal. He told me to send the funds to his escrow address 1GG3CLYd36tmU2X73rmHYzsTtaJcNwMcCC. Once I see the first confirmation to that address, I'll send you your coins. Get it? Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: John (John K.) on May 05, 2013, 05:32:25 AM Who is OP OP is you, the thread starter. Yes he forward the message he received from John K. The scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. Huh?! Did you have proof that he setup the escrow with John ? I do not see any note by John here. Hey man, John K said he'd do escrow for our deal. He told me to send the funds to his escrow address 1GG3CLYd36tmU2X73rmHYzsTtaJcNwMcCC. Once I see the first confirmation to that address, I'll send you your coins. Get it? I am sending all my coins to everyone here free! Yay! ^ Forwarded mails does not make sense as anyone can edit them easily. :-X Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 05:32:32 AM Ok thanks for clearing this up but how do I read a pgp message if it wasn't sent to my pgp public key? And how do I know if its your key anyone can copy and paste. Apparently I am not the only one who got scammed.
The scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. .... You don't understand how escrows work, don't you? You need to verify that it's the escrow you're sending the funds to. Hell, I GPG sign every escrow contract I send out, be it 1 BTC or 1000BTC - if the signature is wrong IT ISN'T ME! In this case, you didn't even verify if it was me who sent you the escrow contract directly via PM. >:( Can you do escrows without having to do GPG signatures? That is a pain in the ass and I'd prefer not to use them. GPG signatures are for the security of the users involved - I know most people are not verifying that the signatures are valid, but it makes sense when you're dealing with 1k+ BTC. Also, I send the contract out via my account directly... that would be the baseline to confirm that I sent this contract out. :-\ Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: mufa23 on May 05, 2013, 05:32:50 AM Yes he forward the message he received from John K. No he created the message, you didn't check the signature, John was never involved, you sent your coins straight to the scammerThe scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. Huh?! Did you have proof that he setup the escrow with John ? I do not see any note by John here. Hey man, John K said he'd do escrow for our deal. He told me to send the funds to his escrow address 1GG3CLYd36tmU2X73rmHYzsTtaJcNwMcCC. Once I see the first confirmation to that address, I'll send you your coins. Get it? And damn... >:( Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 05:34:35 AM I tried contacting John K. before I sent the coins no reply though. Until later then I was told it was fake he didn't setup the escrow.
Yes he forward the message he received from John K. No he created the message, you didn't check the signature, John was never involved, you sent your coins straight to the scammerThe scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. Huh?! Did you have proof that he setup the escrow with John ? I do not see any note by John here. Hey man, John K said he'd do escrow for our deal. He told me to send the funds to his escrow address 1GG3CLYd36tmU2X73rmHYzsTtaJcNwMcCC. Once I see the first confirmation to that address, I'll send you your coins. Get it? Title: Re: Looking to buy 24,000 XRP for 1.37 BTC Post by: John (John K.) on May 05, 2013, 05:36:34 AM Ok thanks for clearing this up but how do I read a pgp message if it wasn't sent to my pgp public key? And how do I know if its your key anyone can copy and paste. Apparently I am not the only one who got scammed. Well, I suggest you take up the free offer here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=98574.0 The scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. .... You don't understand how escrows work, don't you? You need to verify that it's the escrow you're sending the funds to. Hell, I GPG sign every escrow contract I send out, be it 1 BTC or 1000BTC - if the signature is wrong IT ISN'T ME! In this case, you didn't even verify if it was me who sent you the escrow contract directly via PM. >:( Can you do escrows without having to do GPG signatures? That is a pain in the ass and I'd prefer not to use them. GPG signatures are for the security of the users involved - I know most people are not verifying that the signatures are valid, but it makes sense when you're dealing with 1k+ BTC. Also, I send the contract out via my account directly... that would be the baseline to confirm that I sent this contract out. :-\ Please read up on how GPG works - the hash data after the message is different if even a backspace is inserted in the text. At the very least, please verify that I messaged the escrow contract to you directly. :-\ Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: John (John K.) on May 05, 2013, 05:38:07 AM I tried contacting John K. before I sent the coins no reply though. Until later then I was told it was fake he didn't setup the escrow. Mate, I have a life outside the forums. :-\ Also, you sent the coins before even sending the PM to me:Yes he forward the message he received from John K. No he created the message, you didn't check the signature, John was never involved, you sent your coins straight to the scammerThe scammer set up the escrow not me and the escrow was set up with John K. Huh?! Did you have proof that he setup the escrow with John ? I do not see any note by John here. Hey man, John K said he'd do escrow for our deal. He told me to send the funds to his escrow address 1GG3CLYd36tmU2X73rmHYzsTtaJcNwMcCC. Once I see the first confirmation to that address, I'll send you your coins. Get it? I just sent money to 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb foofight said this was your escrow. I am the buyer buying ripple from boofight and he is the seller. I sent bitcoins to here 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb and waiting for him to send ripple. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 05:40:09 AM Hey at least I pm'd you to check if you did escrow it to make sure. Other wise I would have never pm you.
Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 05:42:29 AM Why don't all you fourm spammers and haters go away. Why doesn't anyone do anything to these scammers on this fourm. This website is trash it needs these bugs fixed. Why can you edit what people are quoted saying.
Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: John (John K.) on May 05, 2013, 05:44:02 AM Hey at least I pm'd you to check if you did escrow it to make sure. Other wise I would have never pm you. Well, PM before you send the coins next time, as the coins are effectively lost if you've sent it to the scammer's address. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 05:47:38 AM Thanks for the tip only you should of told me before this. Now you guys come out and say check the message and verify it.
But why didn't you have a tutorial and warning about this before or is this the first time something like this has happened. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: John (John K.) on May 05, 2013, 05:48:25 AM Why don't all you fourm spammers and haters go away. Why doesn't anyone do anything to these scammers on this fourm. This website is trash it needs these bugs fixed. Why can you edit what people are quoted saying. That is not a bug - you can do that in almost all forums too.Code: [quote author=God] Quote from: God I am here. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: John (John K.) on May 05, 2013, 05:51:51 AM Thanks for the tip only you should of told me before this. Now you guys come out and say check the message and verify it. ... Apparently this is the first time someone sent the coins before checking to see if the contract came from me. *facepalm* Hell, if you received an email saying it's from your bank (and not attempting to spoof the 'from' part), would you give them your ID too?But why didn't you have a tutorial and warning about this before or is this the first time something like this has happened. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: mufa23 on May 05, 2013, 05:52:30 AM This website is trash it needs these bugs fixed. Why can you edit what people are quoted saying. You can't edit what others say. Only admins/mods can do that. It's basic SMF dude.Hi guys, I'm back. I need some free bitcoins, send them here: 1IsUreash3llh0peno1iSthisdumb Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 06:00:59 AM How do you verify if anything is real then. I guess its best to never sell or buy bitcoin and never use this worthless currency what good is a currency where you get scammed and there is no recourse. I can never really buy anything with bitcoin without the risk of being scammed from the seller.
Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: DeathAndTaxes on May 05, 2013, 06:05:43 AM Your right it is pointless. Just quit.
I am sure wordpress or namecheap are just building up to the massive scam of stealing $10 worth of BTC from you. Trade with people you trust. If you don't trust someone use an escrow YOU TRUST (and no that doesn't mean blindly sending coins to the address the person you don't trust asks you to). Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: Taccomc on May 05, 2013, 06:08:21 AM it looks like foofight copy and pasted the contract I originally had with him today that John was escrowing for us, and then he sent it to you. Let this be a lesson to all.
Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: mufa23 on May 05, 2013, 06:11:28 AM I've actually used John's service twice the past weeks and paid for merchandise with Bitcoin. I made sure John sent the messages to me, and it wasn't forwarded to be my the persons I was trading with. I mean, by your logic, you should stop using "email" because someone could edit the forwarded email.
There is nothing wrong with Bitcoin, John, or the forum. The problem is with yourself and the scammer. We aren't the reason for you calamity. I hate to say it, but Bitcoin doesn't need people like you. If you are technically incompetent, perhaps you should further study trading and Bitcoin before getting your feet wet. Or pick another field altogether. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: shibaji on May 05, 2013, 06:13:59 AM How do you verify if anything is real then. I guess its bust to never sell or buy bitcoin and never use this worthless currency what good is a currency where you get scammed and there is no recourse. I can never really buy anything with bitcoin without the risk of being scammed from the seller. Umm ... learn to walk before you run ? Take a step back, cool down and come back tomorrow to read the gibberish you just spewed out in last two pages. zeroIQ is correct. P.S. : Oh - and you are lurking the forum since June 2012 and still ... ?! :-\ :o Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 06:38:42 AM And did you have a successful trade with this user?
it looks like foofight copy and pasted the contract I originally had with him today that John was escrowing for us, and then he sent it to you. Let this be a lesson to all. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: John (John K.) on May 05, 2013, 06:39:40 AM And did you have a successful trade with this user? I returned his funds to him after it was evident that foofight wasn't going to do the trade after all.it looks like foofight copy and pasted the contract I originally had with him today that John was escrowing for us, and then he sent it to you. Let this be a lesson to all. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: theymos on May 05, 2013, 07:14:34 AM Thanks for the tip only you should of told me before this. Now you guys come out and say check the message and verify it. But why didn't you have a tutorial and warning about this before or is this the first time something like this has happened. Why don't all you fourm spammers and haters go away. Why doesn't anyone do anything to these scammers on this fourm. This website is trash it needs these bugs fixed. Why can you edit what people are quoted saying. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: zero3112 on May 05, 2013, 04:16:35 PM Thanks everyone for the feedback and support.
Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: Raoul Duke on May 06, 2013, 10:47:46 AM Right when I thought it was impossible OP manages to take the thread to higher levels of stupidity.
Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: Dabs on May 09, 2013, 07:36:29 AM Someone should make a post, and have it sticky.
1. How to verify GPG signatures. 2. How to sign and verify bitcoin signatures. 3. How to get a public key from a keyserver or a webpage. 4. How public keys and private keys work in GPG or PGP. Until you can do all that, there is no point to attempting doing any transaction. It's really simple: If you can verify the signature, you are sure the message was really from whoever sent it, or whoever has access to the private key. Most people who have GPG installed are careful about their computer systems so they don't get compromised easily. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: zero3112 on May 11, 2013, 05:54:58 PM Someone should make a post, and have it sticky. 1. How to verify GPG signatures. 2. How to sign and verify bitcoin signatures. 3. How to get a public key from a keyserver or a webpage. 4. How public keys and private keys work in GPG or PGP. Until you can do all that, there is no point to attempting doing any transaction. It's really simple: If you can verify the signature, you are sure the message was really from whoever sent it, or whoever has access to the private key. Most people who have GPG installed are careful about their computer systems so they don't get compromised easily. Thanks this is needed and I would greatly appreciate such a post. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: Raoul Duke on May 11, 2013, 06:06:36 PM Anyone who doesn't get along with GPG should try gpg4usb.
It's portable, works on windows and linux and it has a GUI very easy to understand. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: zero3112 on May 11, 2013, 09:50:03 PM Anyone who doesn't get along with GPG should try gpg4usb. It's portable, works on windows and linux and it has a GUI very easy to understand. Thank you for once you post something helpful on my threads. No more sending anyone coins ever again learned my lesson. GPG is another step to being secure its very important to learn. Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: GuiltySpark343 on May 12, 2013, 02:40:04 AM Would using bitmessages rather than PGP-signed emails be more user-friendly?
https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page Title: Re: I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED Post by: zero3112 on May 12, 2013, 03:27:02 AM Would using bitmessages rather than PGP-signed emails be more user-friendly? https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page Yes I think it is because the user only has to give you 36 character address which acts as there address that you send messages to and public crypto key for encrypting and sending them messages. Where as PGP you have to know there email address and a separate public key that is 100+ characters |