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Hi Guys,

Question, what is the smart move wait for the 480's or get some 1070 to mine.
I want to mine coins that have more profit that day. i don't know if a 480 can handle other coins well.

1070 have more option for sure, with amd you are stuck there mining ETH,if ethereum sink what you will do with amd gpu? nothing, there is only monero which is not profitable, other algo are not optimized or the optimization is private

Depends on altcoin and money.
There will be no new RX 480 only RX 580.

Care to elaborate on that part ?

hasn't AMD been the best brand overall for mining over the past years, and not just for ETH (I'm thinking aboute BTC of course, Litecoin, BOINC etc... ) ?

Sure. But that's in the past before nVidia Pascal came to the market a year ago. nVidia Pascal architecture is way more energy efficient than Polaris when the GPU core is heavily utilized. If there's a good CUDA optimized miner for a certain algo, a GTX 1070 murders a Polaris with hashrate and efficiency. And of course it should since it's a more advanced and more expensive card.

BTW, mining with Polaris cards is an absolute pain in the ass with the need for bios mods to get a decent hashrate, many different memory brands which need different individual bios tweaks, the need for hdmi dummy plugs or monitors connected to the cards, tweaking with wattool, etc.

Pain? I call it fun :D
That's what makes AMD for lot altcoins the best. 25% more hasrates with same or lower power usage :3

Could you name some of those algorithms and coins? When you compare the algos in whattomine front page, an RX480 beats a GTX 1070 only in monero.

https://i.imgur.com/WeXpUhe.png (https://i.imgur.com/WeXpUhe.png)

Any 1070 achieve 30 to 32 MH/S Ether just by OCing under windows so What to mine is not accurate.

Yeah, but for the price of 1070 you can have 2x 580, that's more than 60MH/s, with Samsung memory and knowledge it could be 66MH/s.

Yeah I meant mainly Monero :3

I doubt there are heaps of 480/580 for sale for about 200 bucks / euros.

Will be in few weeks.

Keep dreamin....

Even if Ethereum disappeared overnight there are several alternative options based on the same algo or derivatives of it. I would buy either AMD or NVIDIA based on price and availability ... right now AMD is mostly unavailable and if available very pricey.... so there's only one option until more AMD stock hits the shelves again (might not be for a month or three, at least not in decent quantities).

Why would I? Last week I've bought RX 480 MSI Gaming for 228 bucks, that's half price of 1070...

Well not really half or anything... Depending on running sales I have seen 1070's as cheap as 349.99 in just the past couple of weeks. (not the mini's too) It doesn't really matter because I would never even bother mining ETH with an Nvidia card anyways. I also think that for resale value the 1070, 1080, and 1080 TI are by far superior to the 4xx/5xx GPU's. Nvidia can also mine many different algorithms profitably and they are less of a hassle to deal with as you don't change the bios and there are overall less driver issues. That is just my opinion but I started out mining AMD but have recently transitioned to Nvidia. 

Thanks for your info guys, one thing i want to buy a 1070, what is the best one right now.
For overclocking and stability. also its hot here in the summer what you recommend me to do watercooling?
or is it way to expensive, also i found a motherboard i want to buy 8 GPU's so i need m2 risers and a motherboard that supports it.

Think this one will do fine Asus PRIME Z270-P
also i need Power do i need a 750 x 2 or just one 1200 watt power supply.

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW GAMING 8GB - 500 euro
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING Z 8G - 516 euro
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING X 8G - 448 euro
Gainward GeForce GTX 1070 Phoenix 8GB - 443 euro
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 - 464 euro

you have got your information wrong, with amd you can mine any coin, not so much with NVidia as there is ONLY a small handful of profitable coins along with optimized miners for said coins, the rest AMD still dominates. sure you can mine just about any coin with an NVidia but it doesn't mean its going to be efficient since miner code for a lot of coins when it comes to NVidia are not optimized much or at all, with the exception of a handful of coins like zcash. take ETH for instance you can mine it with NVidia but doesn't make it good, as matter of fact most of the time you get much worse of hashrate with NVidia on eth than say an rx 480, if what you were saying had been true there would be WAY more people mining with NVidia than amd which is not the case

I'm not sure where you are getting this? Nvidia is better at Skein, LBC, Equihash, Lyra2rev2, LBC, and Neoscrypt. Literally the only thing people are doing with AMD is either solo-mining some Ethash coin like ETH, ETC, UBIQ,etc. The only other option, which is the better one, is to dual mine with ETH+Sia or ETH+DCR. (or something similar) Really AMD is the limited one here and I think you are like 3 months behind in thinking. Also if you are thinking about resale value then of course 1070's , 1080's, and 1080 TI's are so much better that its not even worth comparing. Nvidia cards are also easier to work with and don't require BIOS changes. Nvidia cards are also far more available and it will be a little bit before the next AMD batch comes out for sale. Really the only two things AMD has going for it are that they are cheaper, at least when the cards are available, and they have a slightly faster ROI. Even though Nvidia cards ROI slightly slower a rig with 1070's can ROI in 60 days and a 1080 TI rig can ROI in about 75 days. To me it is worth the extra expense and the slightly longer ROI to get all the benefits that now come with Nvidia rigs. I was planning on building another rig with 1070's but now that I have done a bit more research I will build a 6x 1080 TI's rig and at today's prices and difficulties that can bring in about 95 dollars a day per rig. The AMD rigs with 570's are half the price but are bringing in about 44 dollars a day. You do the math but to me this seems like a no brainer at this point. Just to be fair I have AMD rigs and Nvidia now but at least for the forseeable future I will only build with 1080 TI's.

AMD are actually a near tossup (at the pre-shortage card pricing) on Equihash for hash/$ and very close on hash/watt.

Nvidia cards don't have the OPTION of bios changes to optimise them - that's actually a MINUS vs AMD.

AMD is a value proposition when compared with Nvidia. While the Nvidia GTX 10 series does better in achieving a bigger hashrate per card in certain algorithms, the bang-for-buck or hash per cost factor is almost exclusivly in favor AMD. The bottom line for mining is you can put together an AMD rig for the same amount invested that will outperform any Nvidia GTX rig for the same amount invested across the board. While Nvidia holds an edge in hash/watt, given the insane Crypto pricing across the board currently, that is not as much a factor for most people paying 0.20 cents per kW or less. Which is also probably why you are seeing Nvidia cards  more readily available, while AMD RX 470/570 and 480/580 cards are much harder to find currently, especially in any quantity. I would also argue that the AMD resale value is comparable to Nvidia in terms of percentage of the original cost recovered.

You pretty much got no choice right now but to buy the overpriced Nvidia.

By the time AMD gpus are back in stock will be when nobody will be buying them anymore because the profits will be low.

If you don't want to spend the money, buy some second hand 7970/280x and mine ZEC at 300 H/s.

I want to build my own rig for ETH and i have dillema about graphics cards, which one to buy and use.
I would like to hear your opinion about this cards:

1. EVGA 08G-P4-5173-KR GTX 1070 SC Black Edition ACX 3.0, price 495,70€

2. EVGA GTX 1060 SSC GAMING 6GB GDDR5, ACX 3.0 & LED (06G-P4-6267-KR), price 343€

3. SAPPHIRE RX 570 NITRO+ OC 8GB PCIe, price 300€

You can also sugguest any other card. What's important data on graphics card for ETH ?
Is there any graphics card calculator for ETH mining ?

The 570 is not in stock anymore, if you can find one, then its the obvious choice.

You are right 570 are out of stock till December  >:(.
My budget is 1100€ for graphics cards. Do I buy 2x1070 or 3x1060?
What are hashing speed for both cards ?

Stil waiting for a answer haha

Thanks for your info guys, one thing i want to buy a 1070, what is the best one right now.
For overclocking and stability. also its hot here in the summer what you recommend me to do watercooling?
or is it way to expensive, also i found a motherboard i want to buy 8 GPU's so i need m2 risers and a motherboard that supports it.

Think this one will do fine Asus PRIME Z270-P
also i need Power do i need a 750 x 2 or just one 1200 watt power supply.

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW GAMING 8GB - 500 euro
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING Z 8G - 516 euro
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING X 8G - 448 euro
Gainward GeForce GTX 1070 Phoenix 8GB - 443 euro
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 - 464 euro

Really? Because the ROI on a Nvidia rig built with 6 1080 TI's is about 66.43 days as of this very instant and an AMD rig built with RX 580's would ROI in 66.14 days. These are almost identical and to be fair I chose the current most profitable coin(s) for each rig. I mean as far as resale value I think, over the course of time, that 1080 TI's will easily be far more sought after than any 4xx/5xx card. That means when it is upgrade time you can still sell to all those gamers without any issues at all. Nvidia is also better in density and you can get the hashrate to about 730 h/s on equihash even at 170W with the TI's. I mean I think that is pretty damn hard to beat at the moment. As I have stated, there are a vast number of algorithms that Nvidia is better at than AMD. I don't really buy into the POS talk with ETH and ETC but I think at some point they will probably go to POSW. Where does that leave AMD? That means the only 3 EThash coins that are left are UBIQ, EXP, and MUSIC. That is of course coupled with dual mining with SIA or DCR. That doesn't leave many options in comparison under such a scenario.

Can you dual-mine ETH with Sia/LBRY etc just as well with nVidia cards? I'm considering getting a batch of 1070's or 1080's (or a mix thereof) as I have some hardware lined up. What hashrates are you getting on a 1070/1080 when dual-mining with LBRY for example?

For the cost of a single 1080 Ti you can put together a 4 card RX 570 4GB rig with a cost of less than $200 per card that will give you 112 MH/s on ETH and 2600 MH/s dual mining DCR for 600W at the wall. At current pricing and difficulty, that would net you $720 in profit from ETH and another $90 in DCR a month for a single four card rig.

https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/ethereum-mining-calculator/?h=112&p=600&pc=0.10&pf=3.00&d=726058150422215&r=5.00000000&er=0.13960000&btcer=2827.90000000&hc=0.00

https://whattomine.com/coins/152-dcr-blake-14r?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=2600.0&p=&fee=3.0&cost=0.1&hcost=0.0&commit=Calculate

On ZEC that same 4 card rig would give you 1200 H/s vs 750 H/s for a 1080 Ti. What are you mining with a single 1080 Ti that comes even close to that?. Most people that put together 1 or 2 rigs don't care about density, they care about what makes them the most money for their investment and the answer to that is AMD is clearly superior to Nvidia.

1. This will be my new 6x 1080 TI rig next month and the best currently to mine is ZEN. http://whattomine.com/coins/185-zen-equihash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=4280&p=1175.0&fee=1.0&cost=0.11&hcost=5400.0&commit=Calculate
2. This is my current system that has 6x RX 470's mining ETH+DCR. My rig cost is 2500 with a rack mountable case for this. This now makes the ROI 68 days as of this instant but of course this is always moving. http://whattomine.com/merged_coins/1-eth-dcr?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr_eth=160&fee_eth=2.0&hr_dcr=4500&fee_dcr=2&p=962&cost=0.11&commit=Calculate
3. It is pretty clear that these two are very much so comparable.

LOL. Except you forgot to mention how much does a six card 1080 Ti rig cost you? ZEN is an Equihash coin the same as ZEC The RX 470 outperforms the 1080 Ti in cost per hash on Equihash as I showed and just about everything else. Given the same availability, the RX 470 4 GB will make you more money for the same amount invested by far. Stated another way, you can put together a 470 4 GB rig that will equal the performance of a 1080 Ti rig on any coin at a much lower cost. The issue is the availability of the AMD cards.

Dude... Dollar for dollars the 1080 TI is actually equal or better than RX 4xx/5xx cards and the above estimates prove it. A 5400 Nvidia rig pays itself back in just over 2 months in 67 days. Is that really so much inferior to AMD? ;D I used my current AMD rig for comparison and they literally have the same components with the exception to the GPU and the PSU so I think it is a fair comparison. I was simply picking the best coin for Nvidia cards and the best coin for AMD cards at this moment. Right now that is ZEN for Nvidia and ETH+SIA/DCR for AMD. Yes if you don't have the money to spend on a 5400 dollar rig then you can build an AMD rig but if you do have the money then it is far far better to go Nvidia.

Except that it's not. The time to recover the cost of the card on the same Equihash coin is 61 days for a $750 1080 Ti that produces 750 H/s vs 41 days for a $200 RX 470 4 GB card that produces 300 H/s on Equihash.

http://whattomine.com/coins/185-zen-equihash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=300&p=250.0&fee=1.0&cost=0.11&hcost=200&commit=Calculate

http://whattomine.com/coins/185-zen-equihash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=300&p=150&fee=1.0&cost=0.11&hcost=200.0&commit=Calculate

Dual mining ETH with the RX 470 4 GB, the break even cost on the card is about 32 days or roughly half of the time for a 1080 Ti.

http://whattomine.com/merged_coins/1-eth-dcr?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr_eth=28.0&fee_eth=2.0&hr_dcr=650.0&fee_dcr=2.0&p=150&cost=0.11&commit=Calculate

Actually the $200 GTX 3GB 1060 is a better comparison to the RX 470 4 GB. It can produce ~23 H/s on ETH and ~265 H/s on Equihash. The botom line is the 1080 Ti is a super expensive card for the performance it has and if you are looking to maximize your investment, there are better options.

To be fair I get my 1080 Ti's for 699.99 instead of 750. This makes it a lot closer but I'm not sure if many people are getting any of the 4xx/5xx cards for as cheap as 200 these days. I know that it is temporary until the next batch comes out but still. I wasn't really comparing card to card but rather system to system which shouldn't yield very different results but I looked back at the price of my AMD rigs and they actually were 2300 rather than 2500.  That makes the ROI on the AMD system 62.7 days and the ROI on the Nvidia rigs are 74.73 days but even that is very close. For me the Nvidia is still the way to go if you have the money to shell out for them. They are still far more flexible in what you can mine, hassle free, and have better resale value in the future. You have to think... How great are AMD cards if ETH and ETC really do go POS or some POSW variety?   

 Might have been true a month ago, but try finding ANY RX 470/480/570/580 for less than $500 or so TODAY.

 If you can find them at all.

 Per all the reports I've seen, the odds are looking good that the current "shortage" and resulting gouge pricing may last MONTHS on AMD RX 570/580 cards (and the 470/480 is out of production of course).

 To be fair though, $200 a month ago was kinda HIGH for a 300 sol/s RX 470 4GB - I paid more like $350 for my PAIR a few months back, though they were on sale at the time.

 750 sol/s seems low for a 1080 ti from the figures I've seen reported, unless you're running it at VERY high efficiency settings - at which point it's probably using 50-70% of the watts/sol of that RX 470.


 Can't just compare $/sol, watts/sol adds up over time too, especially if you run a rig more than a few months and DOUBLE especially if you don't have SUPER CHEAP POWER cost.

Where? i am looking for 570 to buy and the lower price that i found is 500$

what card do you suggest to buy?

The profit calculation takes into account the power used by the card, 125W for a 470 and 250W for a 1080 Ti. 750 H/s is actually better than the 710 H/s BBT got on a 1080 Ti on ZEC using the Nicehash miner and the card was using 250W.

https://youtu.be/9W3W1YAavSE?t=1402

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. The RX 580 and 570's have been available in limited quantites, they do sell out quick though. BBT has built several rigs for his livestream with the cards he's bought and I have four Powercolor Red Dragon RX 570 4GB's that I bought for $190 each being delivered tomorrow. Those four cards that I bought for a total of $760 will do 1200 H/s on Zcash, using ~500W, no comparison to a 1080 Ti that costs roughly the same for 60% of the hash of the 470's. Name a coin and algorithm and I bet the results will be similar.

If you say so but I do see a massive number of them being sold and bought on ebay in the 300-500 dollar range which is completely cost prohibitive. Ya you can get the 1080 TI to run at 730 h/s at 170W which is pretty damn good I think. Hey all I know is that I have 3 20 amp circuits available to me at home and with the 1080 TI rigs I can profit far more per year than with RX 4xx/5xx rigs because of density. It really isn't even that close... 38k for AMD rigs to 91k for Nvidia. This is of course until I move into a warehouse and the power limitation is largely removed. I will then up to 15-20 rigs depending on how the landscape has changed in regards to profitability, new components, and other things.

 I'm not going by "what I read on the internet" for pricing. I'm going by pricing QUOTED on cards that are "in stock" by major sellers like Newegg, Frys, Tiger Direct, Amazon - WHEN you can find any available at all.

 Yes, if you can find RX 470/480/570/580 cards at close to MSRP they'll hit ROI quick - but I think you underestimate Nvidia as well on ROI, do NOT assume "ETH" or even "ZEC" as the most profitable Nvidia options.

 Tradeoff on your 570s is the power useage - for someone with high power costs, the DOUBLE or more power used will eat a chunk of the extra gross income - and if you factor on a SYSTEM level, you're going to need 4 times as many systems which makes the cost comparison quite a bit closer (the 570s will still win on a $/sol basis but by quite a bit LESS than 2:1, while the power comparison gets worse).

 If you run the skein or groetsl coins, for most of the last month profitability has been 30-50% higher than ZEC has been for higher-end NVidia cards - and all of a sudden they're pulling in VERY close to the same gross income as your 4 x 570s are.

 Nicehash uses Claymore for ZEC, EBWF is faster than Claymore on recent versions - I grant it's not by a ton, but it does seem to be a 5-10% difference on the GTX 1070 and 1080 cards I've done my testing on at the same settings.

 I'm not going to go into *what* I'm running my NVidia farm on - but I will state that I made a LOT more on what I'm doing than I would have by running the farm on ZEC - ballpark estimate 50-70% range.
 However, that's in a situation that has a VERY small "total network hashrate" that HAS gone up noticeably over the last 2 months, so I'm not sure if the profitability will remain elevated over all other options for another month.
 I'll just say that the folks justifiably bragging about their skein-based coin profits last month didn't do quite as well as I did - even though they DID do quite a bit better than ZEC would have done them.

Here is a benchmark from someone with 11 1080 Ti's using the latest EWBF miner:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733240.msg19526208#msg19526208

731 - 762 H/s using 275W each. The 750 H/s at 250W that I used is a good representation of what someone with a $700 1080 Ti can expect on Equihash. I never said Zec was the most profitable coin for Nvidia. The other poster said ZEN, another Equihash coin was the most profitable coin for Nvidia. What I showed was "Dollar for dollars the 1080 TI is actually equal or better than RX 4xx/5xx cards": is nonsense. The RX 470 does ~40% better in hash per cost. Even at 0.25 / kW the return on a $200 RX 470 4 GB is 18 days LESS than a $700 1080 Ti on Equihash.

http://whattomine.com/coins/185-zen-equihash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=750&p=250&fee=0.0&cost=.25&hcost=700&commit=Calculate

http://whattomine.com/coins/185-zen-equihash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=300.0&p=150.0&fee=0.0&cost=0.25&hcost=200&commit=Calculate

I'm also waiting on you to name an algorithm so I can show you the RX 570 4GB is a much better card for mining than a $700 1080 Ti for just about any coin. The fact that I can walk in to any Best Buy and buy as many 1080 Ti's as I want, while finding a RX 570 without getting gouged is like hen's teeth should make that fact obvious enough.

Okay so no need for bios mod. What about voltage mod? Any news?

It seems that there is no bios mod no undervolt no overclock. We just plug and play and mine. That's it?

NVIDIA? You can set power limit. I don't know if you can set voltages also... You could do that back then with nvidia inspector.
OC the memory for best results.

The voltage is locked but you can change the TDP, memory clock, core clock, and of course adjust the fans speed.

They do not have watttool.

What do they have?

MSI afterburner?

You can't undervolt?

How much is power? Do people run it on stock?