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I need help with identify any of these addresses.

14E4jGTvz1Jfbv4bzkDtieTzYA66x9J7GF
152NvAmevhFMreBJ5HcoREmUqd86eusLu7
17SQPg8XTHc1TpJFEXnYVkFPwPUESsgPTu
1EC4fn8WucttGDBoqThtNYpJzu9ePoRP3P
1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb
15FLowqev3DVW26fkYK6QApyb1edMtao7u
19PwXU3vMNGhLzKKaajBhBbh332KL8kB1s
1JbepNyfgi2ckcmcH1YinDfhzK3X6d3TBT
17SQPg8XTHc1TpJFEXnYVkFPwPUESsgPTu

My coins where stolen and are moving through those addresses they are likely lost but if any one can help thanks.

https://blockchain.info/address/14E4jGTvz1Jfbv4bzkDtieTzYA66x9J7GF

Final balance: 23,179.98729737 BTC

Looks like an address of a pro-scammer.

Your joking how can someone get 2.8 million dollars in 6 months. Could this be a mixer or cold storage wallet of some exchange?

Probably he used mtgox or some site like btc-e  (e wallet).

It kinda looks that way based on how the address go to another and another and some branch off.  Thats alot how MtGox seems to move the coins around.

I have contacted them but they said none of the address I inquired about belonged to them.

14E4jGTvz1Jfbv4bzkDtieTzYA66x9J7GF is tainted with my 1.37 coins which I sent to the scammer at his address 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb

What is going on with 14E4jGTvz1Jfbv4bzkDtieTzYA66x9J7GF once coins go there they don't leave?  This is the scammers main address but then why would he not hide his coins in many addresses.

This is an exchange wallet then why are no coins coming out?

Maybe it's an exchange's cold storage? They only crack it open when their hot wallets are running low.

Yeah, could be a savings account, I doubt someone who scams would have this amount without being noticed until now.
I'm guessing it's a exchanges account.

If my coins went to an exchange the user can be identified and their account can be frozen.

Now just to find out what exchange it is.

Try to contact all major bitcoin exchange sites

Nothing has come up with any of the exchanges they all have said the address doesn't belong to anyone in their system yet this address 14E4jGTvz1Jfbv4bzkDtieTzYA66x9J7GF keeps getting bigger and bigger everyday.

How can you prove the coins were really stolen instead of just voluntarily sent by you?
It would be business suicide for any exchange who did what you asked!

Well this might be a scammer's cold storage. He may move all stolen funds there (if they are really stolen funds) to do bitcoin mixing/laundering once at some point in time, and not needing to do it multiple times.


This is interesting, as 1.5 hours after your post, someone sent you (to 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb ) 1 satoshi accusing you of scamming in a BTC/XRP deal: https://blockchain.info/tx/47dae0243c84a710b6256356dfb9fdf21e4c7e1b260ab0f7ace00562c3d222a7

Either someone is making fun of you or it's the person who sent you 1.37 BTC 1 week ago to buy XRP (but from different address?) or it's the scammer trying to discredit you. You may try to follow that lead and track backward owner of this address, as it leads to three more actively used addresses. Trying to find an owner of a never-touched cold storage is doomed to fail.

Edit: I didn't look at OP date (just time). That 1 satoshi was sent several days later. Still, it was sent after you make your accusations and there's not much activity on your address to support the BTC/XRP transaction claim.

No I sent the message to the scammer. 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb is not my address its the scammer address I sent 1.37 BTC a while back to 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb and me and the foofight agreed on 24,000xrp at the time.  He never sent me the xrp.  I sent the 1.37 BTC.

Here the proof I sent 1.37 BTC https://blockchain.info/address/1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb

This is where the coins came from 1Miv9V4PMi7EvVcyESm8wqJwqSwfzBrUgT and I sent to 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb however the coins wont go back to me if you send them their as it was an exchange wallet.

If the coins are found on exchange the scammer will be found and the funds will be taken from his account on the exchange.  None of the exchange funds are the exchanges there all funds that other users deposited there.

You still haven't answered my question.
How can you prove the coins were really stolen and that you're not just trying to scam that other user who "owns" the exchange address where the coins were sent to?

Let me just say this again I see how this can be confusing.

1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb is not my address its the scammers address.

I think you guys think the foofight sent me bitcoins to my address then I never sent the xrp ripple if this is the case you have it backwards.

I sent foofight 1.37 bitcoins to his address which is 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb he never sent me the ripple (xrp).

I tracked the coins from foofight wallet which end up leading to a address with 1,000 of coins which never leave and this address is 14E4jGTvz1Jfbv4bzkDtieTzYA66x9J7GF I am sure 14E4jGTvz1Jfbv4bzkDtieTzYA66x9J7GF is tainted with the coins from 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb.

Your the same person who posted here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195317.0 remember this thread I was buying ripple and now I got SCAMMED


To be more clear I sent funds to foofight at his address which is 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb I don't know for sure but I traced the coins to 14E4jGTvz1Jfbv4bzkDtieTzYA66x9J7GF which Is what I think is a exchange I don't know for sure if it is.

The coins where scammed from me they are my coins and I was really scammed my self why would I want to scam someone else over such a small amount 1.37 coins. I just wan't to know if this is an exchange address or not.

The reason why I want to know is because foofight sent or tried to mix his coins to there I know they came from foofight so I am thinking is a user of some exchange if thats the case his account should be frozen because he is a scammer and he took my coins.

That just tells me you often make bad decisions. now, forget that thread and let's just talk about this one here.

I'm not going to ask you to prove that it wasn't you who clicked the send button when those coins left your wallet, cause you can't prove a negative, but please tells us:
How are you going to prove to an exchange owner that those coins you talk on the OP were REALLY STOLEN?

Oh, I understood that “is tainted with my coins 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb” means that this address is yours.

So here's what I think happened.

The destination 14E4jGTvz1Jfbv4bzkDtieTzYA66x9J7GF address is a cold storage of a legitimate business. If it was scam money, there would be more people on the internet asking about this address, yet googling doesn't reveal anyone discussing it, besides that it's on various “bitcoin richest addresses” lists.

There are two transactions between your money and that cold storage.

First the preson you sent coins, sent them to 152NvAmevhFMreBJ5HcoREmUqd86eusLu7: https://blockchain.info/tx/2d40404eaf6fe5e5c30c0a0cef8f380a405b06f42c9660d987a093825e4394a7?show_adv=true

Then your 1.37 is distributed among other inputs to three addresses, one of which is that big cold storage:
https://blockchain.info/address/152NvAmevhFMreBJ5HcoREmUqd86eusLu7

The second transaction seems to be an internal exchange transaction distributing deposited money between hot and cold wallets. No exchange provides cold wallet address for direct deposits. So the first transaction is the only transaction he made with your money - and it's his deposit to the exchange.

Here's when he made a slight mistake - look at the inputs and outputs under the first link above. He used one-time-usage address for the deal with you and wanted to sweep it later to the exchange to mix bitcoins. Had he sent 1.3695, everything would went fine. But he tried to send the full 1.37. When his wallet software asked him if he wants to include 0.0005 fee, because if not, the transaction might wait long for being confirmed, he clicked “yes”. But as there were no coins left in the from address, the wallet automatically included another his address to provide the fee. So you now have his two other addresses exposed in this transaction - one that sent 0.06543086 BTC input to provide the fee and another one that got 0.06493086 BTC change from the 0.0005 BTC fee. Your best luck might be in tracing these two addresses.


I'm not surprised that exchanges don't claim ownership of cold storage address. It's like if you called your bank and asked details about their secure vault storage where they keep their reserves. Do you think they'd happily tell you where they keep them?

Nope, that's not how it works.
How can you prove you didn't send the coins to him on your own free will and are now trying to scam him?

Imagine someone gets caught with your bicycle and you say they stole it. The dude says you gave him the bicycle on your own free will and you have absolutely no evidence he was the one who stole your bike.
You press charges and the dude gets sent to court: Do you really think any judge would convict him without evidence?

Proving the coins were yours at some previous point in time doesn't prove they were stolen.

You may get him a scammer tag(again? LOL) but your evidence is pretty weak, as in non-existent, when you talk about getting a possible exchange admin to freeze an account, and that was what you were saying and what I asked about

PS: Nobody should be helping you "catch the thief". You LOST your coins because you were careless. You had everything at your disposal to find that it was a fake contract with a fake pgp signature, yet you didn't...
Write it off as a learning fee. The dude is tagged as scammer already, and that's all you're going to get.
I'm even going to tell you that he was only tagged as scammer that fast because he used the escrow contract of a global moderator. If he hadn't done that you would still be crying for theymos give him a scammer tag.

You are talking about this transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/78b3f833bc68d4c819e7950e2e3b682515e07bc971e3059a217faa527fa83e3f
There are multiple Bitstamp withdrawals to few addresses, including 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb.

I am talking about the following transaction:
https://blockchain.info/tx/2d40404eaf6fe5e5c30c0a0cef8f380a405b06f42c9660d987a093825e4394a7?show_adv=true
where owner of 1FMkokNtu7oQyjwaYcM5wDQG9VUN4hUBMb deposited the 1.37 BTC to 152NvAmevhFMreBJ5HcoREmUqd86eusLu7 (which I assume belongs to exchange or to some other business taking deposits).

And it's this transaction where the fee was covered by another of his wallet addresses: 1G6uKTpvRNAGN4DhBAaFNUWXXiv7k6JYWn sending 0.06543086 BTC input. After substracting 0.0005 BTC fee, the 0.06493086 BTC change was sent to another of his addresses 1QHKHEo9nSqf8aEEhrKdybUVuVeBfe6has.

This is what I believe happened and I think you should focus on tracking these two addresses, as most likely they belong to the person you're trying to track (yet they were not on the OP list of addresses you're trying to track). I suspect they were included in the transaction by mistake, so they might not be that careful one-time-used, no-traceable addresses.

Oh, I see now what happend when the scammer tried to send the coins.

I'm not following the “catch the thief” game, but “track the money” game. I don't know what happened and I don't put tags on people. I just tried to explain what happened with the money - without judging if it was scam money or legit money - and how one might track the other side of transaction (regardless of if it was legit or not). Sorry if that's wrong thing to do - I'm quite new here and just wanted to exercise my understanding of the blockchain and transactions trail.

I fully agree that 1.37 BTC is a small learning fee and that it should be considered as such without much cry.

I can prove I sent the coins there and I can prove that I never received the xrp on my end in the trade.  I can prove he never sent them I gave him my xrp ripple address in the pm's. He gave me his bitcoin address in the pm's I sent the bitcoins and I can prove he never sent the ripple.  I can also prove that we had a trade agreement.

It is is partially my fault but no wonder people scam and steal bitcoins.  With your thinking they can get away with any crime it still doesn't make it right.

zero3112: you are editing/deleting your messages in this thread and these are not cosmetic/typos edits. You are removing entire parts of conversation. Regardless of importance of these removed parts, changing conversation is the wrong thing to do. Especially in a thread where you accuse someone of scamming you should be as transparent as possible and not remove your messages. This post is simply for a disclosure.

I re-edited because I made a typo.  I also removed one reply that I posted myself because I read your reply wrong about the coins being sent.  I thought you where showing how my coins where moved before they where even sent to the scammer address.

Sorry for the confusion.

I am trying to be transparent but people want to play the blame game on me.

Oh you removed more. I've seen some escrow contracts pasted that are no longer here and other stuff.

As I said, I am not putting tags on people, including you. I was helping with the money trail without judging the transaction. Now I am simply stating that you are removing messages and they were not typos. I am still not judging you, but perhaps you have a second lesson to learn - about transparency in a sensitive threads like this. My interest in this thread is over.

No, you were careless because you had the means to verify the authenticity of the message, yet you decided to send the coins without doing it and ended up being scammed, or so you say.
Don't try to twist my words.

You may have the right to get your money back, but that will never happen. Nor will any exchange owner freeze some account just because you send him copies of a few PM's on a forum coupled with some TX ID's. I'm sorry you don't understand how unreasonable your request is.

Now for the cherry: Prove that other account who allegedly scammed you isn't under your control, as in "a sock-puppet".
No, the fact you never shared an IP address with that other account doesn't prove shit.
Whatever you could get with the meagre evidence you have, you already got it: the other account got a scammer tag.

Now, stop crying and go on with your life.

Or maybe the escrow contracts were in some other thread that were linked from here. You see, how much confusion deleting messages create?

Anyway, I am not interested in a drama. I just helped to understand the transactions that happened after you claim you sent coins and that's all. You won't get the money back and the other party already has a scammer tag so there's nothing left to do. Move on.

You really like to trash my threads this thread has nothing to do with getting my money back.
Its only about understanding the address I listed and identifying them.


I do have information about the other account. And if the exchange has a account with these ip's and this user has a account there then what would be wrong with taking 1.37 BTC from that users I have proved that this is that users account.  And if its an account that you allegedly think is another one of my account then wouldnt they be frezzeing one of my other account and taking money from my other account and giving me my own money.

Why would I do that? All the money in a exchange belongs to a bunch of diffrent users who have a user account on the exchange. The fund doesnt loss money giving me 1.37 bitcoins no.  What they do I take 1.37 bitcoins from a user with the ip addresses I listed below and that would be the same user that depsoited 1.37 BTC to there account at the exchange.

foofight
bff@gmail.com
67.251.100.125, 174.226.67.138, 66.66.29.161, 67.251.100.125

You already know as much as you will ever know. The final destination is most likely an exchange's cold storage.

The person you sent coins to used a one-time address, with change being sent back to one of their possibly oft-used accounts.

The number 1 description of bitcoin is that it is anonymous. This is all you will ever know about these addresses, unless the person who is using them flat out tells you who they are. So why does this thread keep going? What else are you after??

It's anonymous simply because there is no central authority that requires people to provide information about themselves when using the service. Also, IP addresses are not recorded in the public record, so that is not a very reliable way of tracking senders.

Free mail services that don't require any kind of confirmation of one's identity are just as anonymous, if you use a VPN or something to hide your IP address. IP information is included in the header of every e-mail, and many mail services use that information to test to see if the e-mail is legitimate or not. You can hide your IP address and the recipient will have no idea who you are, but if it's obvious the sender's IP address is being hidden, many e-mail services will consider the message spam. This creates a very large downside to using e-mail while hiding your IP address. Bitcoin completely ignores the IP address of the sender, so there is no down side to hiding one's IP address.

Another difference with bitcoin and mail services, to continue the example, is that in theory all bitcoin addresses already exist--they just haven't been found yet. You could calculate an address on your home computer, not connected to the internet, and no one in the world will even know that address exists until someone sends coins to it. Until someone connects to send out those coins, it is impossible to know who in the word calculated that address, unless they themselves tell someone they did it. E-mail, on the other hand, is different. You have to tell the central server that you want an e-mail address and they have to set it up for you before it can even receive messages. In the process of requesting the address, it is possible to collect (limited) information about the person requesting it.

All internet services that have a central server (web pages, e-mail, chatrooms) can and do collect information about their users which can be used in forensics to try and find the owners of the computers that connect to them. Services without a central server (P2P like bittorrent and bitcoin) generally don't and the only way to track someone is to monitor active connections and see where they are coming from (easy with a file transfer that takes hours to complete, like on bittorrent. Not so easy on a transfer that takes a few seconds and comes from a random direction, like with bitcoin).

Live and let learn...

Be happy it wasn't a loss of 100BTC.

In the end, the blame IS on YOU. You accepted a transaction with a stranger, you trusted the untrustable (took a personal risk), and lost-out on that risk.

I am sorry, but your own failure to take simple precautions is what got you scammed. You gave a stranger your car, expecting him to give you back a truck in return, and he just drove-off, because you failed to get his ID, a copy of his license, and have a witness present. (Or use an escrow service, or other "protective service".)

There is NOTHING anyone can do to HELP you, or anyone else who this has happened to. The best you can hope for is to locate this mystery person and ask them for your promised property, or a refund. Also, warn others about "how this scam was done", making it believable enough to become an event that led to YOU being scammed.