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... what would/will be the next most promising smart contract platform for the eth-based projects to migrate to?

it is not a question of IF it is a question of when people realize Ethereum is not the best option for smart contracts out there. and it doesn't have to fail as in fall to zero for them to realize this. it is all about efficiency, how well it is performed and how cheap or expensive the whole process is both in money and time that it takes.

right now there is RSK (Rootstock) which will work on bitcoin blockchain (the most trusted and secure and well known blockchain) and it will be practically free to make a smart contract using it.

I agree with you 100%. There are good projects over the eth platform, I'm suspect to say because I put some stake in SONM, but I think they can migrate platforms, since ETH is just one aspect of their project. Would probably be a pain migrating the tokens, and they need to do it because their tokens have actual functions, but it is doable. The eth platform there is to verify and transact the fog computation, which is the "creme" of the whole thing.

I wonder how many other platforms launching on ETH in these recent ICOs could also do the same. Bancor comes to mind (not judging quality of their project, just saying the a mere market former can be run elsewhere).

So You think Rootstock could host them? Never heard of it before.

But what prevents BTC itself to accommodate smart contracts at some point in the future (lay person question here)?

don't worry, there are so many altcoins, and so many people are waiting to see ETH dying.

If etherium dies many altcoins will be affected for those who is under on his side. I hope it will continue living like a bitcoin.

If Ethereum dies, will people still trust smart contracts?

very mean mate hahaha, but its true there's a lots of members around here who still doesn't believe that eth will grow big in the future still waiting for the value to really dump hard, i think if ever eth fall down there's still some imitation coming from the numbers of alts that has been develop from day to day can't say what would be the fittest one.

ETH won't die, but it will dump from the peak.

NEM of course.
Smart contracts are much easier than with ETH.

Which part is easier?

NEM might have a chance since there is a bunch of Altcoins that like to have the contract thing with their coins. If Ethereum dies then there would be a bunch of coins going down since there's many coins using ETH to help improve their technology. Ethereum won't be better than Bitcoin though.

Pusuer. ...how is RSK going?
Does Rootstock mean that btc can do anything ETH can?

If there will be an efficient platform for smart-contracts, maybe it will not even use blockchain, which despite being the best technology for the digital gold, so far this has not proved to be the best way for projects that require much higher scalability properties, such as Ethereum.

I've seen only one showing the great promise coin - Soarcoin

The guys from Soarlabs just starting their activity, but they very serious to approach the issue!

I agree but it is actually true, I think a lot are waiting for Ethereum to die. If it does then those weak hands will be transferring and buying another new altcoin and others would take advantage and buy them when the price dumps.

if you are a prophet, I am happy to see its death.

But, if ETH die, the profit is ETC rather than BTC.

RSK is not a threat to Ethereum in any shape or form. It is a centralized sidechain and therefore has distinct disadvantages.
Ethereum isn't the best smart contract solution, but Bitcoin isn't the best coin either. There are many better coins out there, but that doesn't mean they are a threat to Bitcoin. That's the case with Ethereum as well.
Due to their huge market cap (a perk of being first) they will both thrive, and neither will die.

It could be I don't care. The only coin which will never die is bitcoin. Secure store of value. I like it so much, it is exactly digital diamond.

This would be the main thing when ETH would die or either dump.People will surely lost its trust smart contracts which means all coins under this will surely be affected.There are really people who do love to see ETH die on the soonest. As been said above if it would die then there are lots of promising alts do exist on the market and i bet you, you cant choose all of them  ;D

it is pretty new. it just recently raised $1 million. and it is supposed to bring smart contracts to bitcoin utilizing the side chains. so it will be instant transactions and very cheap ones at that. to find out more about it please visit their official website: http://www.rsk.co/

eventually yes. that is the final goal. there will be a lot of challenges along the way but it seems like a pretty good project to me. here is another link: https://medium.com/@CryptoIQ.ca/rootstock-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-e52b065421a8

I don't see anything centralized about it!

You sound like someone who is connected to RSK. I woudn't bet on you not being biased.

That would definitely be my natural reaction if ethereum was to die because its survival is directly affected by these smart contracts, it would also have a negative bearing on them as they are dependants of each other... which would push people towards other crypto coins and see alts like bitcoin soar tremendously.

I would personally say that NEM will be next big thing. For me it is already better than Ethereum

If Ethereum dies many of its users of ETH will be so upset, also will be angry because ETH now is so popular and many had been using it for years, also its the 2nd biggest famous crypto-currency  nowadays.

Yes ethereum won't die, all of the altcoins always are fluctuating but ethereum will dump doesn't mean it will be dead, ethereum has large of capitalization, the investors never burn their money with hard dump ethereum and the fundamental of ethereum is very strong because of smart contract and many dapps be made on ethereum's blockchain.

WAVES

https://wavesplatform.com/

ethereum die is not problem
early problem only holder, second problem many coin use etherum token smartcontract must swap and migrate another platform, many plaform use token system is ready, waves, nxt and more
early can big problem, but only few time problem can solved

if ethereum dies, (as if it will... based on demand and its popularity, well not unless there are some big/major reasons why it will die), best option for me is not to invest in any smart contract platforms. The collapsed of ETH is the indication not to invest your money at all.

Ethereum dying ?? this must be a joke; im sure people spreading this bullshit don't not know anything about ethereum. My advice is to buy MOAR ether whenever its price dump. Do you research, read, go to github , see how they are doing; the market can be dumb sometimes and there is a new comer wave coming to crypto that are just investing cause their buddies told them to do so; It is normal from this perspective  like yesterday that everybody is sell panicking as soon as they read some FUD or the ethereum network is stuck as most of them are ignorant about the technology and what it can achieve in the future.  
PS: I have participated in ETH ICO back in the days; so don't judge me with my newbie account :D

sorry sir ,eth will not die ,look at that  a lot of ICO launch on ETH blockchain,so everyone who want invest ICO must buy some ETH

ETC have a good bet it maintain the same aspect that people like about ETH, or maybe zcash or lbry i see great potential for both, or again something entirely new, there a re some promising good coin in the ann, among the new coming

if eth die ,i will lose all of my money ,because i invest ICO use ETH . :'(

I think want a cryptocurrencies popular and have huge community as Ethereum died very hard, maybe can dying slowly for a long time, but if Ethereum died, more people will lost more money and I not hope that will happend :P

If Ether dies, money will move back into bitcoin. Bitcoin and Ether have a mirror relationship in that when one is rising the other falls.

As to which alt will replace eth if it does - oldies like Litecoin and doge will have a chance, after all they've been tried and tested and are still here.

That is not entirely true,Ethereum is just a token creating platform,like waves,antshares,ark etc etc and there are many more and i do not want to list everything here and you really cannot compare a token creating platform to a crypto currency,bitcoin is way different than ETH or other token creating platforms and i hope OP got the answer what he is looking for. ;D

300+ dolar coın prıze 30 bıllıon+ dolar market cap and ı see topıcs lıke ıf ether dıes. :) reaaly strange. after thıs poınt ıt seems ıf ether dıes lots of coın wıll dıe wıth ıt too and may be bıtcoın can suffer too much. ımagıne 30 bıllıon market cap dead :S

That's what the BTC/ETC maximalists are hoping for, going to new lows spending millions to do a flash crash on GDAX. ETH stays strong though, haters keep hating, hodlers keep balling.

Forget about ETH there is new king in crypto. I'm talking about Waves.

If Ethereum dies... You can just join us here at the new project that is going to disrupt the data cell phone industry. How about to participate and get a piece of the cake? :-) Great! huh?

AntShares. Stratis. /thread. ETH is on it's way out.

Doge? Come on. LTC may replace BTC but it CANNOT replace ETH. Ridiculous.

If etherium dies many alternative cryptocurrency  will rise for sure. And the race as the first cryptocurrency will probably change. And if the number one contender of bitcoin as the first crypto will die. Everything we know in the race will change also.

Ethereum will not die, now is the time to buy!

I agree with you, other altcoins will be affected once this Ethereum will dies. Actually ethereum has been continuosly adapts by other bitcoin users. So in my own point of view it will still in demand in the market.

Ethereum is backed by the "big boys" so it wont be allowed to "die" just yet..

Ethereum will not die. It will only lose value and another one will replace it.
Think about it for a while: ETH is increasing value because of its over-valued ICO and everytime some of those ICO starts, the ETH network is congestioned and slow.

I'm not saying that we won't see ETH at 1000$+, but it will lose value when some alternative will take place.

Ethereum will not die, it will survive used by those companies that are starting their business on it.

Now I'm looking for some Ethereum alternative :) Let's see what Rootstock will bring..

Ethereum will not die but will lose the value of the sale price ..
But for now etherum is very valuable, if etherum really is not valuable it may take a very long time.

ether won't die, but it can be knocked down a few pegs.
If ether's failure is a big reason for their large decline, due to smart contract issues, bloated blockchains, and other crap (dao hack, etc)

then the only smart replacement would be NEM. That doesn't mean that the market would see it that way, because NEM's marketing team sucks.. but it can do smart contracts, namespaces, mosaics, public and private blockchains, and soon will be re-released in C++ (catapult) Not to mention that once catapult is released, it will be thoroughly tested and vetted. It will be released for the private blockchains first, then public later.. I'm excited because it really can/will be able to do soo much. But it all hinges on IF it can manage to catch on, which is no sure thing.

It is too early to speak about ethereum death...

price is testing the 50% fibonnacci retracement level. I wont be surprised of a HUUUGE run up. Fasten your seat belts

http://ETH.JPG

keep dreaming

STFU

Meanwhile here I am, waiting on the fence if I should buy or not...definitely a good price to buy at but I'm worried of all the security flaws. 

NXT, BAY and ARK will raise

I think waves because it have already hosted few ICO without any problem but it still needs to be tested with high volume of funding in fraction of seconds like some ICO are having with ETH based ERC20 tokens which have fu**ed up ETH network.  ;D

Waves should be among top 3 players in crypto future...If market doesn't burn to the ground.

If ethereum die, for sure etc willbe next number 1 altcoin and for ETC will become high price. But i think it is affected alsp because they also ethereum partner. But as of now i dont think will ethereum will die because even the price of ethereum dump today it will increase again next week and it will back to 350 dollars each and for sure after few months the price will become $1000. Buy ethereum now.

If i am not wrong WAVES is the next platform which is going to get benefited if eth is dead as waves platform is also good to take over the eth platform based projects.

Then it would be the millennials nightmare. But if you stay in Bitcoin I think you would be fine.

"IF ethereum dies..." I'd be genuinely surprised :). There are wast amounts of money and corporate/banker support behind it. They also have a big developer community and plenty of investors. As these folks don't want to loose a lot of money they will do everything what they can to keep it running. So I doubt that ETH will suddenly die overnight. If it ever will then that will be a long process and probably because of one or more more capable competing coins.

I think that ETH has too much momentum to die any time soon. But since much of its recent price increase was fueled by ICO's, there could be a major price correction if or when the SEC decides to regulate ICO's in the future. Bitcoin wouldn't be affected as strongly, of course, since it's not known as an ICO crowdfunding platform.

We listen the same story every time when coin market downs. This is really not making any sense. Please hold your emotion and think with your brain. Ethereum never dies, it can lose some value which is very normal. Remember it came here from $40 in 3 month.

ETH has some major issues to resolve, if it can... scalability being the primary of both BTC and ETH.  The next is ETH  blockchain bloat in a little over 1 year it is already almost the same size as BTC if not even bigger, and BTC has been running since what 2009 or 8 years.  How big will ETH database be in 8 years from now.... if ETH has scalability issues already...  ???

BTC is the store of wealth (gold) and I do not see ETH as a currency (silver) or for that matter any of the other 800+ altcoins that have been created.  Until Joe and Jan Public can use the altcoins/cryptocurrency directly from there leather wallets with plastic debit cards you will not see mass adoption by the general public.  Thus the altcoin currency (silver) is yet to be determined.

Yes, direct access to the currency wallet from a point of sale terminal debit card is in the wings... called RadixDLT (Distributed Ledger Technology). It will be the silver to the bitcoin gold.

Rootstock is supposed to be backwards compatible with ethereum so ethereum projects could switch to RSK without major problems. At least that's what's promised.

But at what point of development is Rootstock? They seem to be stuck for a long time now.

Just dropped everything and spent over 25 minutes looking into RSK (Rootstock), thank you.

If ethereum dies, I can't believe that it will happen, even though their price were started to decrease I trust to ethereum that in the following months it was started to raised up again.

If ethereum will dies many people cant beleive of it. As you know it has come along way for many years, many people invest in Ethereum. Price becomes pump and dumped but I think it will continously increase any moment.

One thing I learned from cryptos is that development always takes longer than promised. Apparently there's sth called Hofstadter's law.

grreat guy , now eth dump strongly ,look like it will be true what of you said .

If you bought at the top, you may be angry, I understand.
But if that happened, do not panic and just hold.  You will eventually get a high return after a while.  This is the market, this is crypto

The market is on a roller-coaster ride.

just because it dump way too low, it will die already. That's correct if you buy your coin at high price and price gets too low, you will get angry, that's understandable - everybody understand that that's the feeling and expression of losing your temper. It is not going to die anyway.

why they think thatt?I dont think about eth coin that will be die in future.I think it will follow btc if btc will die then eth will.

most of the ico was developed based on the platform of smart contracts from ETH. I will not say that ETH will die but said ETH will usurpation of BTC and I am confident that in the future the ICO use ETH technology platforms are great

It depends what you mean by die. If uptake slows and as stated in this thread projects migrate to other block chains then there will be become a point where it would make no sense to continue development.

The question is what is the next platform to replace it? Rootstock is mooted but it looks to be far from ready to replace Ethereum

Okay you want to imagine this. If Ethereum dead with its smart contract platform, then obviously people will find the next platform with similar technology and have its own blockchain. I think waves platform can replace the Ethereum place. Waves have everything that eth have.

Ethereum has to make some regulation on smart contracts ERC20 based project there is some project are really being loss for investors so has to make some regulation otherwise it may go down as fast as it grows.

If it could die FAST please!!
so we are done with this bear-bull-bear-bull game...

In crypto markets?  :) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Even i am not much into ERC20 smart contracts which is ethereum based if ethereum really dies there is option of creating smart contract using waves . I also hope that waves will be the replace of ethereum in case of failure ethereum.

if ethereum dies many of the exchangers will get bankrupt  :'( meaning almost all of the exchangers will bankrupt and investors also they will lost their money and will not gain profits anymore.

Well my point of view says Ethereum will not die/drain so easily. The first reason I could think of is, it is loved by many peoples and the whale investors are keeping it healthy. Recently, miners have got their attention towards bitcoin mining because bitcoin network difficulty is increasing day by day which has led new comers to go into alt mining in which ETH holds first position. If a coin has drawn so much attention they I don't think it is going to die that easy. Moreover, there are so many alt coins and smart contract project which are backed up with Ethereum as mode of payment. So, one more time it holds a good position in the form of 'payment processor'. I think all these factors won't let it go and who know it is next bitcoin for us with huge investment opportunities too. I feel ETH as positive coin and also investing now days as the price is 10-25% below the optimum level.

How can die something that replicates itself? We will see a ot of side chains of ETH,  Eth classic, eth original, eth classic original etc. Finally Vitalik will start the new project. I'll not buy any token of that.

I feel the only way the major crypto's will die would be some type of major worldwide network issue such as a cyber attack other then that I feel they are here to stay for a long time.

i have same thoughts like you, if it dies many token will lose support and probably many coin will dump so deep

Some dapps can migrate to another platform, it wouldn't be such an upheaval.

yes, there is a lot of investors that holds their ETH like me, if it dies, then they lost their money right away, same as me.

Investors need to learn to look at the history and see where ther ebuys are coming from and see where the money is going.  Forum bail outs for the sake of not looking like bad investors is a thing that will go on forever.

Ethereum died a long time back and it is just taking its time to expire. The minute that the upper Nazi's on this site jumped on board, the slide started to happen and it has internally degraded ever since.  The coin is being supported from inside the network and is being bailed by several members here that refuse to admit it, but it is all right there in there blockchain

That would have already happened if that were the case,regarding ETH if this die it would not be suddenly,
It could be several years before something like this may occur.

I am not so sure if Ethereum died yet since there’s a bunch of coins being launched that thrive on the success of ETH.
What happened to the old days when coins were just regular coins and people didn’t have to use their Ethereum address just so they could get a coin that will have its own success?

i think it's not easy for etherum dies, etherum is popular coin and many project use the payment with etherum. ;D

ether won't die. on the contrary, it will grow and surpass btc with more and more projects built on it. don't forget it also has erc20 standard tailored for it. any serious new development will choose eth over btc.

ETH recently showed a lot of flaws. Any serious dev would consider ETH 1st , but also factor other platforms in the equation: Ardr, waves...

Nope... how they will get bankrupt, if a single coin dies? There are hundreds of other currencies out there. If the exchanges had invested a part of their revenues to purchase ETH, then it is a different story. The same with traders as well. IMO, Ether may not die suddenly. But with the current exchange rates and the market cap, it is looking like an over-inflated balloon.

I dont think ethereum dies so soon because of its market cap and lots of prove ICO from erc20 based smart contracts . In any case of ethereum failure then WAVES would be the best platform to create smart contract its growing you can check its market growth.

You can replace your money into another coin, there's a lot of coins to make profit besides eth. For me monero, ltc and ripple is a good investment after eth. Besides that, coins can dies is part of risk so let's deal with it. See again your strategy and looks carefully, if you think that coin will dies, just leave it. Good luck.

if it dies many of other cryptocurrencies may be affected. but when it dies, there are so many currencies to look upon to like dodge or litecoin. but in my opinion it will live like bitcoin and it will improve and grow as time goes by. the question is hypothetical.

Could someone tell me what will happens to those altcoin which base on eth if eth dies?

If Etherium dies... well, uhm, it won't die. It's just that, my friend.

It is, on the contrary, growing.

So, if I were you, I would be buying ETH, a significant amount, and hold it for some time. The price will still grow some more. You will reap profits if you have ETH right now.  ;)

Ethereum is big, money of investors used for public relations, fake news sites, bribes.
It big industry of lie.
It worcking, just white a time, ppl buy it good now. It good investment.
But it not protected investment, when this ppl sold hes 70,000,000 ETH (also used for pumpUp ICOs) you will get only something overpriced and useless.

It can't die and price will higher, with ETH any person can deploy code that is as secure, even more secure, than that of the worlds largest banks and their servers. Hope to see $500 end year.

This year only from the infant level it has started to grow, right at the moment thinking all about the death of ethereum is simply not gonna happen. As the mate stated the price will increase higher along with the growth of bitcoin. Recently when bitcoin decreases, a decrease in ethereum too is experienced.

Guess what, Ethereum's price and growth have nothing to do with bitcoin, so many people nowadays have seen ethereum and bitcoin as two different currencies, many ICOs now use ETH as their main currency basically because of their smart contract.
One more thing, the dominance of BTC is now decreasing. Just because ETH and BTC dumped at the same time, doesn't mean it have some sort of relation or what.

IF ethereum dies...
Greed and panic will be the root cause.
When times were good people jumped in too fast and drove the price close to 15% of King Bitcoin. Now there is panic and prices are down over 50% from the high. "Common sense" will tell you this is the wrong time to buy, so this is probably a great time to pick up some ETH.

Buy low/ Sell High = Buy ETH now: Especially if you can afford to buy more if your timing is a bit off.

I don't know for what companies you work guys...or what job you have, but in my job, I see tons of big SNP500 and DJI companies: all of them have an ETH project planned for 2018.
(budgets are decided now for next year)

2018 = year of ETH for professional use.

Smart contracts have been used only for scams. We now see smart contracts don't have any real world use... Perhaps on day they will but not on a public blockchain. Ethereum is an experiment and may never work. Bitcoin is past the experimental stage.

dump those eth boys, the sharks are waiting

Some people say it's Tez0s

If that didn't work you may as well comeback and use ETC.

I don't believe ethereum dies, or can die. It has a solid team who can solve every problem they face on this roadmap. If ethereum dies, we have waves and neo. Waves will generate smart contracts in the future. Neo as well.

That would be very poor for crypto in general. It needs more successes, not explosive failures. Bitconnect for example seems like a ticking time bomb that's going to blow one day; and that's going to cost a lot of people a lot of money and be a huge black eye for crypto yet again. Added to the list of Mt. Gox etc.

I want to see Ethereum weather this storm of ICO uncertainty and come out on the other end successful. There's room for many successful coins. It doesn't all have to be bitcoin only.

If Ethereum dies any time soon that would probably affect a lot of the current ICOs that are using it as a payment method. Not sure how that makes me feel.

If ETH will die I think ETC will get affected to since those currency has been made by one splitted network, And those coins who used the Etherium blockchain will die also and this could bring a crypto-currency crisis if this one will be happen. But its pathetic to think that ETH will die since they've got more supported that not want ETH to get into troubles.

It is not therefore necessary for Etherium, and any other projects offering smart contracts for that matter, to die before projects realized they need to move to another smart contract. I know there will always be upgrades in the existing smart contracts and there will be more smart contract options to be born. There will be tighter competition.

the next smart-contract which hava shard will beat ethereum i think.

Those smart contracts will be affected for real and those token's too. But there's no way for ETH to die, it's like bitcoin that many are holding and waiting for it's dump.


This is what I'm talking about, they are just waiting to see the price of ETH dying and they will be the ones to revive Ethereum again.

by this question. Can anyone can explain me how to shoot down a blockchain

Ethereum may die only when is outdone by a better tech. For that we would need much better coin and platform than Ethereum.

it is not possible ethereum is died eth dump for some time
many ico launch with eth so eth rate down for some days but its coming time is good :)

I am not sure if it will really dies, ethereum is very promising crypto but if this situation will really come to reality.
Then I guess many crypto will surely come up to top if the disappearance of eth is not due to banning all the cryptos.

Lets assume that it would really die then for sure most ICO's would jumped into another platform seeing that most projects as of now are basing on ETH platform which it does really make big contributions on its development this is why its really hard to believe or presumed that ETH would easily die on this way.If its being supported by most project then for sure it wont die.

For me I think ethereum would not be die easily because most of the ICO they are using ethereum networks for their smart contracts and a more stable network for now. ETH market value now is getting bigger also and also a top promising crypto.

Indeed, recently other platforms create ICO cannot compete to ICO projects use Ethereum platform. Particular is Waves - one of completior of Ethereum - does not have any projects success (in short time) after crowdsale (can grow price in short term).

For now no strong competition against Etherium besides on Waves but its still young but do have potential. If you do see most coins are eth-base.We wont know if some coins would able to toe-toe with it because we dont know on whats the future and the possible coins or competition that would happen against ETH. Dying as of now is nearly impossible to happen.Even bitcoin can possible be replaced too and ETH is a strong candidate.

I think ethereum will not die easily as you imagine, why? because the project is done very clearly and has built a good team, sponsors are also many, such as microsoft that uses ethereum technology :)

Hah,  if eth dies it will be step back in 2-3 years. Because many projects are bindet with that technology,  also big money loss for all investors. It's all in two words..

No, ethereum will not die, at least 10 years. With the current technology, it is rated as one of the coolest smartphones. I always appreciate it.

Ethereum has already shown to everyone that it is the king of altcoins and bitcoin is a king of cryptos ;D
I dont think that it will die, but some coins as ARK, Viacoin and Waves, can reach ETH market cap for sure.

Of course it will be replaced by another altcoin but that's not the end of it, NEO is replacing ETH gradually and its future will replace ETH but that does not say the end.

Why would etherium die?

I think that NEO is tech-wise much superior to ETH, they also have a very nice community of devs, City of Zion.

Etherereum just behind Bitcoin in the ranking of coinmarket, do you think it will die easy like your said? It also has a huge community like Bitcoin, the ICO market also a part in this community, beside, maybe you forget Ethereum is #1 altcoin for miner use GPU mining ::)

In my opinion, the etherium is obviously not going to die. There are no objective signs of this and can not be. The etherium is still the leader of the Altkoins and if some part of the ICO conducted on its platform is fraudulent, then the ethereum can not be blamed. After the risky ICO has been screened in China, the aetherum should be significantly strengthened.

if ETH is dies. then another ETH will emerge as its successor. because the coin has no death. let alone bitcoin. it will always accompany his hunters throughout his life. ;D

IOTA is definitely the platform these smart contracts will flow to. You have to remember IOTA has no fees and scales infinitely because it's not a blockchain - but has the same benefits.

those projects will port accounts into another chain with some contracts avaible and party will continiuse 90% of those projects doesn need ETH at all they want just money grab from people.
But this is the game.