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I believe that cryptocurrencies can revolutionize PvP gambling and turn it into a big industry. In PvP gambling players play against other players and also bet against them. The most widespread and successful PvP gambling game is poker, but what other games do you know that work well in gambling? Before the Internet some people gathered in parks and played chess for money, but nowdays it's hard to play chess competitively on the internet due to the power of chess AI. Also, there are altcoin projects that allow people to challenge each other and bet on popular online games like CS:GO or Dota, but so far they didn't accomplish any major success.
So, what do you think the perfect PvP game for gambling should be?

I think one very common PVP gambling game is "Stone, paper, scissors". This game could work in a 0% house edge casino like any other PVP game. But seems gamblers still prefer to play the traditional games, principally Dice.

if PvP gambling i like blackjack
but iam never found blakjack PvP, majority standard playing with machine

I love the idea of old school arcade games combined with crypto betting. This bomberman clone did it in a great way:

http://battlecoin.org/

I used to play with my friends and it was a good way to get them interested in bitcoin.


Unfortunately, the game is now abandoned and no longer update but you can still play.

I'm thinking of a virtual game which is boxing and each players will have money involved or wager when playing. It's most likely a game but also it's also most as a gamble. I don't know also if someone did this before but this is what I've been looking for a PvP type of game. Since most of the games are e-sports with a betting.

It's back to the developer itself I think, the games that has been mentioned above actually is suitable for PvP gambling, but the problem is how developer manage and promoting their games.

Lack of interest doesnt mean that they do fail on gaining popularity of a particular pvp game. There are lots of factors thats why players or gamblers do decide to play another stuff. I cant think off another game rather than pvp based card games, head or tails, jack en poys but i think its really common and people do always go on traditional games in the market.

Almost all gambling games will be done in PvP mode. But usually there are lot of difficulties to have PvP environment. For  example, a gambler will not be able to start gambling once he prefer to do so. Yes, he must wait for his opponent to arrive and get ready. This kind of practical inconveniences make PvP fade away slowly at least in crypto based gambling world.

I believe you need not to focus on choosing a game, but you must work on finding solutions to over come those practical hurdles a gambler may face in PvP environment.

We can be sure there could be plenty of penitential unveiled along with PvP mode of games, but we need to ensure that gamblers will be getting same levels of conveniences and comforts they are enjoying in pvH environment.

Imo one of the best games for PvP gambling is coinflip it's fast compared to other pvp games where there's more time to be consumed for one bet.

A solution for this is by adding a bot like what bitdouble.io did on their pvp game.

We do have a game like cara y cruz in our country and i guess its also a good way of playing pvp as its just like an ordinary gamble you just choose what you are favored side and it will give the win into the result side. Hope we see more pvp games inside the crypto gamble world.

I like the pvp game that need skill to win the games, not like paper rock or scissor where it is only guessing, I think poker will be a great pvp games, there are a lot of poker players in this world and poker is a very famous game, but pvp games always stumble with the bot problem and how to prevent cheating

Poker would definately be my first bet, but ofcourse that is quite a complicated game and not really possible to play for only a few rounds.

Rock paper scissors is definately a solid option, but there are bots out there that can predict your movements after as little as 10 hands. You are going to get destroyed by these if you play the games.

i think lucky 9 or some games like this can be played using pvp as there's only one result either win or lose, we needs to check all the grounds
to make sure that this site will just for the security of the players the funds should be hold by a middle escrow.

I play for cryptocurrency here: http://breakoutpvp.com  They recently started displaying the monetary units in USD which drove away most of the traffic, but it used to be convenient to play with BRK.  They still accept BRK but you have to jump thru hoops with support until they re-incorporate their wallets.

literary anything.
anything that has a random outcome can be made into a gambling game and any gambling game can be played against another person.
for example Dice can even be played against others.
but one of the problems that this kind of gambling has is that it is hard to make it fair. for example when you are playing poker online against someone and he keeps winning you can never be sure it is a fair game or did he cheat.


the industry won't be able to make money from PvP games unless they ask for entrance money! which is weird and won't be easy and profitable for the "industry" so i don't think it will happen.

Nice site and the idea is great, well I think that kind of games would surely work if they can involve bitcoin into it well you can surely play online games while betting on bitcoin I think a certain idea if apply can really work, and if you know how to make programs or you have known a certain someone that has a great knowledge with this things it can surely work,

Just like the idea of an online billiard both players would put some bets then they will proceed with the game and surely I think exact amount is necessarily needed then winner takes all simple as that or I think they can engage with different game modes like first player to drop the 9 ball in the pocket, will surely win, a fun game like billiard will surely work

You can get the idea of a billiard online game in the flash game 8 ball pool a certain player would surely need strong internet connection so that he would not be disconnected in the gamevor else good bye bitcoin.

the problem is demand!
if enough people want it then you can do anything. but usually people don't go for the PvP games that much, they want a faster and easier way of gambling. that is why dice is so popular after all.
and the other issue is that PvP should be really Face to Face and implementing it online is omitting the essence of a PvP game in my opinion.

I don't think there are other games that offers pvp better thsn poker. You don't rely on anything aside from your own skills and it's fair because there's no advantage over you by the casino itself. That's probably the main reason why its the most mainstream among all other pvp gambling types

The problem of crypto is that it needs to have sharp controls for PVP games because you are gambling with money at the end of the day, so people don't want to lose because your character has latency. This was the problem battlecoin.org. So you need to have an exceptionally good netcode if you want people to gamble.

You got the point this is exactly the problem of most of the developers of gambling games here like that site battlecoin.. the latency when i play is really high and i'm playing laggy or its just like stop dance..
Except for other games like poker game or Rock paper scissors game that actually not actually its latency.
I think it can be still decrease the latency if they can provide a good server and make a game 2d platform maybe it can reduce the latency..
Hope that they can make a PVP game without high latency which is already been done by other's
Like sample a game in diep.io its not really too laggy if you have a good internet the play are smooth..
So i think only server is the problem when making a online games for lower latency purposes.

Literally every PvP game is suitable for gambling, but in my opinion card games are most popular, such as poker and blackjack.
Also, there is no perfect game, what is good and fun for me doesn't mean it will be good and fun for you.

PvP is when you are playing against other players, blackjack is a game where you play against the house not the other players so I do not think blackjack is a game suited for that kind of play.

I will suggest the chess or checkers are suitable for online gambling with pvp but with strong security measures in order to curb cheating with chess AI. I wil suggest a video to video play where you see each other online and survey/monitor the room that the other party is not cheating.

I think esports still a good PVP gambling like league of legends and dota 2 which is well known games and its a skill base game..
But Latency will be a big problem..
The only thing that i can see had a good potencial are cards games except if there are release a unique game that maybe bitcoin users also can be interested..

Thanks for directing me to this thread but I actually started here and while searching for other pvp games I found your old thread and mixed it up with this one after I tried the game.

But since the game from your thread has not been mentioned here I would like to introduce http://chopcoin.io/ (http://chopcoin.io/)

Nothing to win big but at least its fun  ;)

At the moment, poker is the most popular pvp games imho and no other games can beat their popularity. There are some other pvp games such as dice and rock paper scissors but both are not so popular. Maybe someday they will be as popular as poker but it will take so long time unless there is a great site that offers a great game which attract more and more players.

The best game that you could play is definitely poker and I agree with this guy. Zynga Texas Holdem has been really popular and some people even offer to trade real money for chips. It's definitely a thing where you could practice your predictions and plays and probably start gambling in online casinos with poker. That's a great thing to play, practice and soon you will be a master on it.

I always expect to see a blacjack pvp game , so far nothing good launched.
I just can see cakebet.com the only bitcoin gambling site that provide a blackjack pvp.
But unfortunately the site under maintenance for long time enough :( .

I had seen a rock paper scissors pvp gambling site which was great in design but there was not much players. Poker and blackjack are the best for pvp gambling IMO.

Rock paper and scissors is really a pvp game but its too childish and it doesnt really make you enjoy in further runs which you will eventually got bored and you will surely seek for more interesting challenging pvp game which you can usually find in poker games and blackjack and we can able to say because there are lots of players who are on it.

Yes, rock and scissors game we can enjoy only a few minutes after that it will get bored. And there is no more fun in that game. Poker and Blackjack and other card games are nice for PVP gambling. These games are more exciting and entertaining. It is a mind game, so it is good timepass we will not get bored in this game.

Maybe for a game like dota it's something that can not happen because the required funds are too big, I think chess is one game that can be used as pvp gambling game and this game also has considerable popularity.

Player Vs Player will require a good site to make it first, and I feel sports like cricket, football would be far suited for this kind of games. It's a pity there are not good sites that can actually do it, then I wouldn't mind to play on adult wresting if there was a way to play on it. Football would be my biggest bet to succeed as there are so many leagues and tournaments, i am sure all will like it.

i think you may be confusing DOTA with some other game. because DOTA 2 is a free game on steam that can be played P2P or team against team of 10 people in total and you just need a team and some free time to play it. you can even play it in solo mode meaning 1 versus 1 only middle lane :D
it certainly needs no funds!

and many people do actually do that and make bets like who gets first blood, who gets the first tower or many different stuff. it usually is between friends and sometimes with money sometimes with in game items that have a lot of value sometimes in $$.

I think with enough coding skills, the latency problems can be solved, if you have a good netcode, you can play for big amounts of money, because the netcode is sharp. There is a Street Fighter port that allows you to play really good even with players that are pretty far away. I forgot the name but I wish they developed a way to set bitcoin bets with it.

That game is too simple that's why it has an interest problem.
I just cannot understand where there is a blackjack pvp sites but has low traffic to play there causing even closed the business.
I will bet if then there is bj pvp hosted by a professional party it could be a promising business.

I think the problem with CS:GO and Dota, or League of legends etc, is that they require a team of players, and not everyone has a regular team to play with. For a PvP game to work, and for people to bet regularly, I think it has to be competitive and to only depend on one player. I think that's why poker works really well. You pay solo, and it's a very competitive game. This way you can play and gamble at the same time, every time you want to. At the same time, it has to be hard to make bots for it, so I really think it's hard to choose a good PvP game, for online gambling.

Well if you want a gambling game where you can play with other players/people not a CPU or a computer. Well you should seek zynga poker in facebook or you can even download it in play store. In that game you get to play with your friends and some people you don't know. It is fun because when me and my friends playing this game we are trashtalking each other when someone's winning.

From what I've seen, it was rock, paper, and scissors are the more popular gambling games suited for PVP. Though what I propose is something different. Dice battle! It is when player 1 rolls and player 2 rolls, the result should either higher or lower than each other and that's where they bet upon it. It's really hard to think of any more pvp games, since it doesn't really mxh well.

There are few pvp games already but all of them have failed to deliver attractive gaming experience. All of them lack good traffic and without users pvp games are not viable. PVP game with mining theme might get some success because a timer can be included and multiple users can participate on it, the one with maximum bet will win the small percentage of total pot every round and other users can only see total pot but not the total players participating.

It's true. Seems people don't have much interest in playing against other players, they prefer to play against a random script that acts without strategy. To play against players can be more dangerous as some gamblers can be smarter than others, having better strategies this way.

I don't know about this mining theme PVP game yet, could you explain how does it work?

It will not get us bored because our mind do really think of on ways on how you would defeat your opponent and its indeed a mind game together with techniques and somehow luck which is on your side. This games are really enjoying and i would really choose this rather than on those rock paper and coin flip games.

Poker and sports betting are probably the top 2 currently, I just don't see enough of a long-term edge in most/all of the other games...or a lack of betting traffic.

I think blackjack, poker and sports betting are the best suitable for pvp gambling.  This games requires strategy and  skills which is fun to see if this is implemented on an online gambling.  It is always entertaining to play against other player since we can always rely in our skills and strategy to win the game.  Unlike playing with AI which does not think, hesitate and doubt his cards.  It is always fun when the game involves mind, emotion and other human stuff among the player of the game.

I think you are fully ready to make gambling with your Bitcoin because the most of the people enters in the Bitcoin gambling like things with a special trick , now you want to enter in with the stretagy of friends here .
Well here I would like to suggest you that Don't make gambling with AI games because they will surely beat you ( regardless of your knowledge and luck ) , so more better to make gambling at sports games live .
Always multiply your bet at the end of loss and always start with small amount after every win .In this way you will never loss your money ( but you should have money in the bulk amount ) .
My suggested sites for sports gambling are nitrogensports.eu , cliudbet.com , directbet .

possible steps to maintain the security in order to be strong in the game gambling online casino with PVP when we're playing the video in order to see one with others online and as a room monitor does not happen cheating in gambling games so make a play to be comfortable and quiet

But how can blackjack become a PvP game, since blackjack is a game that you play against the house, does this mean that you are instead of playing against the house, you are competing against the cards that are dealt to an opponent.

Exactly, you deal with an opponent online and not the house , I would like to suggest sports betting because that's what I normally gamble on against the house; so if we have a pvp I'd love the idea and perhaps poker .

I think checkers and chess fit the description of a PvP game better. It can be developed into our gambling websites so that we can play remotely with other players all over the world.

There can be so many possible games one being blackjack as in real life also it is mostly played against each other but for PvP the dealer can be excluded from the game. Another one as you should poker is a sure yes and maybe a high and low dice like one player selects high and other one has to continue with low

The problem with chess and checkers is that computers are better than human players, so it will be very easy to cheat in those games and then it will become a matter of who has the bes chess engine and the fastest computer instead of being a challenge between players.

Yes this game is not suited for PVP gambling because we don't know our opponent player is human or computer. We can not see them, and we don't have any access to check their profile. It is possible, but one condition is there the players must log in with their social media account then I think no cheating will happen in this game.

I believe playing cards games are most suitable for player vs player environments. Solitaire is not being played in real life (at least by my friends) but they are most famous computer games. This way many cards games could be derived/modified to suit player vs player environments.

I believe some improvements should be added into any type of games when it will be implemented for online users. This way I guess any game could be modified to suit for player vs player environments.

Maybe it will be good if there a live cam while you are playing on your opponent and you can talk to each other so that you might not wonder if he is a computer or human.

Yeah, cardgames are definitely the easiest way to design a decent pvp game. Too bad that the only game casino's offer is poker or some variant of poker.
I'd be interested in seeing some pvp betting opportunities with other card games, bridge for example, that one also has many different variations.

Hmm, indeed from one of those games you mentioned has the best rating (sports). But indeed you need to know, where your favorite game or best is indeed based on the number of players who are in it. So it's an advantage you can depending on how you do it, if you do a game with bad already certain, your profit is very minimal and may not correspond to what you want (the defeat). If you want to make a profit then the main task is to organize the self or self control, after that you should be able to perform analysis and make a strategy.
 

Do you think people would love to spend hours to just win one round of chess/checkers where the pot size will be really small because of only two players.  ;D

The one who gamble don't want to get exposed specially the one who love to gamble with bitcoin or with other cryptocoins. They want to maintain their personal privacy, so I don't think idea of live cam in pvp game will be viable. 

Well I know this thread is almost discontinued on the conclusion that PvP gambling games may not be in demand but I've only just gone and built my own platform before reading this thread. I'm reluctant to give up though, even though there's noone really continuing to play after its release: rpsbet.com (http://rpsbet.com). I'd be grateful if anyone was to make a deposit (currently uses Paypal and in GBP £, although thinking of taking this crypto in the next few weeks), although I think the main takeaway from my failing efforts is that it needs to be more engaging.

Atm games aren't live - which means no latency problems, great...user's set up their games and wait for opponents to go against them. But how engaging/fun is that, especially when the pool of money doesn't get very high.

Also, all games are supposed to be skilled, so no card games where things are randomised. There's 5 games on there of which none are using any random-generated functions.

Since I don't want to give with this project, I'm thinking what's the next steps? Is it to create more engaging games, with better pools, provide more functionality, or simply give up 😂?

Well. Poker is one of the most known game card PVP in the gambling world. Because of this game many people lives change. Poker is one of the easiest to learn game but one of the most risky, addicting but high profit making game. You just need to know or to memorize tge card and be observant about the cards being shown time by time. I think poker is all I can say and offer because this game is only my card game thay is PVP. And in this game I can make sure that you will definitely earn but of course learn always to control yourself not just in this gme but all of gamblibg games. Make sure to have some self control and goals in playing. Do not be greedy and do not let yourself eaten by the game or the loss you somehow will make in the future.

On Freebitcoin there is a parimutuel sportsbook where you can bet in BTCitcoin. It means odds are not fixed by a bookmaker but are the result of the amount of bets for each outcome. It's interesting because it allows to see what real gamblers think and bet for and moreover it provides odds you won't meet on "classical" bookies.

I hardly find any PvP games ongoing (my bad as I couldn't try much harder) but yeah, stone, paper, scissors was my favorite one when I used to play at win22, and another one is XOXO game. I believe there are arcade and action games which must include crypto like TRX as it'll be a great alternative for a player to bet TRX while also having fun with his friends and play on his own where his win will depend on his own skills in the game. Games like Pubg and Topwars should be there with crypto as an option to bet.

I heard Betfury is planning to create a somewhat PVP type of game where players are able to find against each other for crypto, I haven't gone past this information unfortunately but if you were looking for cryptocurrency games where PVP is involved, Axie Infinity is a good example of such. Not all gamers are eager to earn money but most of us do, as soon as it is integrated into the industry it may definitely fill in a niche in the gaming industry that could help bridge cryptocurrency enthusiasts and gamers, but I see poker games being the pioneer of this new niche.

Samples of of pvp are only limited to flipcoins, certain type of roulettes, pvp blackjack and other certain games where you do play against another player.
As of today then its really hard to see something like this who had really able to progress out into this market in terms of PvP games it seems that people
arent really that interest or just due because of trust issues. People cant just easy know if they do legitimately playing against other player
or do fight with the house itself or same member.

This is the reason why pvp gambling platforms don't thrive as they can't sustain the interest of players. Maybe, at the start they can gain players as they can offer some bonuses. But as time goes by, players tend to move away and return to regular casinos. I don't think pvp games are sustainable unless the owner can come up with innovative rewards or bonuses that can keep their players in long term.

Given that the emergence of neural networks and their widespread use have completely killed (I mean ordinary people and not professionals) the field of competitive games on the Internet like chess, then it is worth choosing games where randomness has the greatest impact on the result. Good games (and by the way, in parks, many people play them on a par with chess) are backgammon and dominoes. AI for these games also exists, but it does not have such an overwhelming advantage over humans, since a lot in these games depends on luck.

I believe games like chess would be the best option for PvP games. There can be other games based on skill or luck and if I am not wrong there used to be a dice game on Primedice during its initial days where we were allowed to play against fellow players on the primedice platform and there was a small fees which was charged though, not sure about that though.

By the way this topic was started years ago but I am shocked no PvP games have been made yet, maybe because the house wants the player to lose money to them instead of other players but with the help of a small fees per bet there can be platforms who might offer these games.

I also believe that it is the best PvP game or technically, anything that is only played by 2 player would be the best for this PvP games. Other PvP games that I can think of is Billiards, Snooker, NBA2K, Shogi, Go, and Checkers. I believe that there should be more of this kind of games in gambling.

billiards and the rest of the games that you offered can be played by more than two players but chess arent .
 i think theres already chess with betting include but i forgot the link because it was shared by my fellow gamblers in the public chat long time ago .
what im looking for is billiard games with betting included because im addicted on this game more than chess and it can become verry addictive if played with money involved .

Same here because I cannot find any games where I am competing against other players. Pubg you mentioned is actually impossible to corporate into player betting because there are ways to cheat the game and if someone is using hacks they are basically scamming the other player and later it would be the casino who would have to pay the player for their inability to maintain integrity for players.

Maybe games like LOL can be implemented and I am saying this because LOL tournaments are being held in leagues like LPL, LCK, LEC, etc and hence it should be possible for them to make it for solo player vs player game and somehow integrate with bitcoins.

Truth be told pvp is not as popular as we tend to believe, obviously due to the pandemic most casinos are still closed but if you take the time to recollect any time in which you went to a physical casino you will remember that most of the games that are offered are of the type in which the player is playing against the casino, games like blackjack, roulette, baccarat, craps and a very long list of games in which you are playing against the casino, and only a very small portion of the space in the casino is dedicated to pvp, and if there is no demand for those games then most casinos are not going to offer them.

PvP games are not popular because it's easy to cheat! So we can play chess for example, but if you are running some simulation program on a side and you are pulling AI moves how can I win? For other games, there are other cheats... why some people don't like crypto poker with just a few people sitting at tables, you never know is there some kind of collusion between players,  house players... but anyway poker is the game of chance in the end, and you can get good cards and rock them!

We had similar topics before, from time to time people ask about PvP games for crypto... here and there I see some tries, but nothing so special to keep my attention and make me want to play it a lot! We will have to wait for that!

When it comes to Player vs Player gambling the most common games were card games like Poker or like blackjack or maybe even coinflip and Rock paper scissors. But every game was mostly because of luck maybe on poker but sometimes if your lucky your going to win most of the time if you have good cards. I mean even in online casinos or physical casinos most of the game would be based on your luck because if the game can be a win because of the skills your always going to win if your good at it already and casinos would not allow it that because that would make them bankrupt.

In our country, we have this game of cards called lucky 9.

You can read the rules on this site about this game. (https://www.luckynine.com/how-to-play.html) I think this is the best suitable for PvP gambling and it has no house edge. It is a luck-based game but sometimes you can use your knowledge and skill to be able to make some bluffs that would scare the dealer, or if you are the dealer make a hit. A mobile game, Tongits Go have a lucky 9 game on it, and it is really fun to play.

Well...this was the answer I've been looking for. I refuse to believe nobody actually wants PvP gambling games, I mean the majority of the popular games these days are multiplayer, so why would it fail for gambling? That's what I've been wondering, but I guess the answer is cheating. Anyway, thanks it's given me the determination I need to continue Rpsbet.com/rpsbit.com, I've got so many ideas for development, it's just a matter of what ideas to implement first, or at all.

I think so too, most of us who like to play games enjoy games with others online via the internet and talk to friends. I mean most of the games are made for multiplayer which is much better for the developers also who don't have to invest so much time on stories, etc. As for gambling in PvP I think that there is a huge demand for it, as long as there is a strong anti cheating software in place. Most games online have cheater problems, so there is a need for constant development of anti cheating software.

I came up with one more thing (in addition to my previous post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1982018.msg56357450#msg56357450)) - we need to come up with some kind of team gambling, then due to the interaction of chances, the result of each game will be practically unpredictable and even a team of beginners will have chances against a team of professionals (or a team of strong AI bots).

This is the kind of idea which may not work at this moment, but in some years who knows... I think strategy games are the best way to play PvP introducing gambling to it. I say that because these matches have many views on youtube and it's not something repetitive which relies only on luck, but rather in players' skills which amaze the public.
Besides the games you suggested I would add real time strategy games which I consider an upgrade since the old strategy table games like chess. This game genre community isn't so big, but it increases year by year and a gambling addition may turn things more interesting for a different public.

count me in . im supporting this idea because i do also love playing with a team and not just by 1 vs 1 or 2 versus 2 but when we say team it was compose of 5 or more memebers because that was more fun . the second part of your sentence has something to do with the matchmaking system . they need to make it accurate and they need to put leveling up system so that all matches are fair

a game of team can be unpredictable if you arent an organized team because you wont know the strengths of your team members and its hard to cooperate with them

MY fav PvP game that i use to gamble i Chess and also Mobile legends these 2 games is my best , I played Chess in Real Life and Mobile Legends in Online in which my gambling way back in 2018.

after being addicted in casinos and other gambling houses , i changed to chess and Online but still addiction is what covers me so i decide to stop and just play once ina  month now.

i see that you already controlled your self from addiction but chess is more in mind games this can help you exercise those braincells while in mobile legends most of the players there are toxic and gives you headache , for me to choose well chess in the best game which you can gambling too , but there are more games that you can find entertainment you can visit those website and bet for your own good , there are Dota 2, CS:GO , Valorant etc. But since it was for you to decide here in my country there are tons of card gambling and most of it are just invented recently and it was hard to explain when you don't have really idea what it is, But since it was 1v1 and i just won around $20k and i stop it now im loving the one im playing right now which is cockfight.

I think chess games are best fitted to PVP gambling. This game is popular in most parts of the planet and everybody plays it with of fun. Another special rule is castling. This move gives you the chance to try to to two important things at once to bring your king to a secure place and to urge the boat out of the corner and into play. During a player's move, he can move his king two-way on either side then place the boat thereon side next to the king on the other side. Also appearing as for those thirsty for the classic Nintendo NES experience, you've got to settle on the PVP mode to play against any human opponent

I agree with chess game as I really love this game and am kind of good at it, but it's totally based on skills though, and not even any luck involved, so that might lessen the thrill of gambling or playing when playing chess as a pvp game. I would say poker would be a close second because of the luck involved a bit. Or even pool game, there's math, skill and luck in it.

If you are looking for a good PvP gambling then the best choice for me is poker and baccarat because this two are one of the most pvp gambling game and wait it is more interesting when it is not online gambling but a live poker in which your enemy is in front of you. And when it comes to E-sport, as a gamer I've would suggest to play DotA 2 and cs-go for gambling in which you will find an enemy and you will play 1v1 or 5v5 of course with a bet.

Even in the collision of two teams of professionals who are constantly training together, the result is very difficult to predict, since the variability of strategies and heroes (if we take Dota or Lol) is so great that it cannot (probably) be calculated. By adding a gambling element, the game will become as random and fun as possible.

Adding elements like unpredictability of player movements and skill execution would really be a big thing that will surely affect winning probabilities or into your calculation or analysis.
This is what makes things more entertaining and interesting on where you can feel of some chills when the opponent or your team do really make out some scores
and thats one of the main purpose on why we do play gambling in the first place.

Well, you can have PvP games being played against each other, without them having an influence on the outcome of the game. So you do not rely on the skill of the player, but rather the random outcome of a algorithm that are provably fair. This will eliminate a scenario where Pro players, win all PvP games. (like in Poker)

Even Chess can work, if you implement a handicap and ranking system for players that are constantly winning. You can have webcam games with moderators popping in to monitor if someone is using AI devices. (The players cannot see when the mods are in the session and the sessions can be recorded)  ::)

It is very Rare that a gambler will admit Him being addicted , that counts a lot of respect from me specially when they already recovered and become a self controlled players.
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Good for me because i have My team back then that not brining our own chairs but they are good.
Of course there are many Games we can play but it is about what we are interested and knowledgeable
Oh ,This is the Gambling that i don't know , There are friends that engaging in Cockfighting even in tournament but i denied learning this .

I think car racing, rock, paper, scissors, online games such as mobile legends, dota, LOL, CS:GO, etc. There are a lot of options however, I think this is difficult for platforms to set-up such betting system using other games. I know this will be fun if you can place a bet while playing your favorite online games. It's just like setting up a lobby for players where they can place bets before the game starts. I guess this will require a lot of job for developers to set-up, but this kind of platform will surely be crazed by online gamers.

Contrary to the popular belief, we have a slots addict club thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249415.0) in this forum. You know, "acceptance" is the highest wisdom (https://www.verywellmind.com/five-stages-of-grief-4175361) if we talk about gambling ;D

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Anyway, PvP, especially pure skill games, is a bad idea. It's not fun if you play seriously and lost. Over time, it will only become a place where smurfs stomp newbies. It might be feasible tho if it involves RNG, like dice duels, etc.

I still believe Dota 2 is still one of the best PvP gambling game that there can be because of the promotions it has gotten and the prize pool of the current International event that they are having is already more than a Billion dollars. If ever they will include Cryptocurrencies in their transaction type, it will also boost the credibility of Cryptocurrencies because of the wide range of users that Dota 2 has and that will be another opportunity to have a surge in Crypto users.

Watta **** is this for real ? Just now that i have visited that Thread and Yeah it is existing  ;D , Anyway i have dropped my Vote in your Poll  ::)

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But Kidding aside ? they are well deserve of respect because it is not easy to get away from addiction even what kind it is , either alcohol ,cigarettes , Woman/Man ,Drugs or gambling .. If you can quit then you are really tough and Best .

You got it correct , PvP isn't really for Fun if you are playing with visitor or Outside opponent , this Games are best if playing with friends or families in which you are competing with each other with happiness and thrill.

Dota 2 could be fun for gambling, but the problem is that it's a 5v5 game. So you either need to play with friends you know or try to get a 1v1 mid only setup. If you gamble with 4 strangers vs another team it is going to be very hard to control your outcomes. If one of your teammates ends up being really bad it could cost you the hole game and your money.

In my opinion 1v1 games would be the best setup for PvP gambling, like Blitz Chess, or maybe a Go game. Go is an awesome game that should be allowed to be played online vs others. It might take a little longer than the other games but it is a lot of fun.

I remember when the Dota invade the Online gaming back in early 20's when almost every computer shop and internet cafe are filled with people young and old playing or waiting for their turn to play this game.
They even Shouting and Badmouting to each other for the sake of playing and their bets.
i have Played Chess against my friend over Facebook and yes this is a fun game , but i don't know if there are bets if this will be continue fun brining or the context of chess game will change .

Online games are one of the best examples of PVP gambling because we all know that most of the gamea today are online and persob versus person and you can compete by region. In todays life with this pandemic, the one of the most used sports is online games because it is contactless and can communicate thru online. I think the idea of this thread is to know the best pvp gambling game like poker, majong, Pusoy and such. This game is very good in terms of playin gambling. We can say that this is a very good source of income or way to make your savings or money earn.

Is it skill-based or not? If yes then give up, that isn't even gambling anymore, that's just a tournament, a competition. Though if it is not, then there's a feature in one of the CSGO gambling sites where users can match against others with their stakes and they roll a dice, the higher result gets the winning prize (which is a skin). It's kind of interesting since people who bet with the same amount could directly fight against each other, without any raising or whatnot that could result in a bluff or not, it solely results in a player winning or losing due to luck.
Online games CAN be part of PVP gambling, but not all of them can be one. Heck most of them can't. Those are "games" in the purest sense, part luck part skill, contrary to what gambling makes it "gambling", which is to completely rely on luck. That's just imo though.

I'm an Oldschool but for me Best PvP game ? it is Counterstrike and Rules of Survival , I love Gun shooting Games and i enjoy having thrill in playing like those i mentioned.
But all of us has their Own perception of what made them interested and enjoying in each game so we cannot expect answer that will support another.
But what i found in this thread? it is More DOTA and CHESS players gathers here ?
But a a Gambler and gamer ? i love betting against opponent that has skills so the thrilling added, and i don't wanna take advantage from others weakness specially when Money matters.

Chess can certainly be a better solution. But I'm not sure that Chess will be very popular. After all, it's not a game for everyone and games can take a very long time. I once went to chess school and I remember that once a game lasted more than 6 hours. I think a lot of people would get bored with such a long game. We need a game that lasts no more than an hour and a half.

All I can think of right now are games that have been played in our country for a lot of years now. Tongits, Pusoy, Pusoy dos, Lucky 9, Bit Game, and right now the "What's in the middle game", which I am not familiar with. Most of them are very suitable for PvP gambling and whatsoever, it has no house edge as it is dependent on the players on how they will play the game.

Most of them are luck-based game but I see Bit game as a skill-based game as it is closer to Poker, the same as Tongis and Pusot Dos.

Poker will be the spearhead of this new form of gambling as it is easy to code and easier to play. That being said I see some future in the Arena Genre as Axie Infinity, which I'm not sure can be classified as gambling of some sort, is  taking the crypto world by storm, future game developers aspiring to flourish in the PvP genre can pick up from the ideas in these games and they will surely gain something good from it.

Why are people thinking about Dota 2?

While there are a lot of people playing it, it is still not that balanced. There are still a lot of heroes that could dominate the game and I think that could not be always controlled since it is a MOBA, it is a fighting game and that also means that it would not always be balanced. I don't think it would be the best PvP that we have, but its what we have right now.

This is without a doubt a problem, pvp games like poker are not completely reliant on luck like other games, there is skill involved and as we know the level of skill among players can vary and many people just want to have some fun in the casino and do not want to think too much when they are having some fun, but when we add the fact that when you add skill to the game and that some players can cheat in it in some way or form then it becomes even less attractive to play those games, which is a shame because I really enjoy those kind of games but with the number of people playing them being so small you never know if the other players are actually colluding against you, in which case you have no chance of winning in those games at all regardless of your level of skill.

That is why there are a lot of mobile applications that have this kind of rank so that the skill level of that player would be matched with other players with the same skill level. It would be really hard to measure in the real world that is why it is better if people would be doing it in a mobile application that would require some games and rank them based on their performance.

Just like Dota 2 or CSGO with their ranking system.

A PvP preferably should have no skills involved simply of how easy that is to abuse, Tic-Tac-Toe / Chess / Checkers / Aiming aren't suitable.. BJ ' best option IMO ' / Dice or something w/ poker / spinning / RPS would be best simplest possible games.

The second issue is liquidity, sports exchanges and new PvP sites often fail to get a sufficient number of players, if an established sportsbook or casino add an exchange or a new PvP game it would have a better chance in succeeding.

That is true, whenever there's a bookie that managed to have a list of PvP bets, they mostly fail because there's not that much player. There's not that much demand on them and even if you'll have good games, demand isn't enough.
But I think once a trend starts to hype games like Chess, there will be interesting folks who would like to bet for each game with another opponent from elsewhere.

This is a vicious circle - the bookmaker will never add a game that has a small number of players and in generally not very popular. Getting to the top level of the competition and to the list of bookmakers is the last stage. It is necessary to start with the game to be interesting and people played it (the audience grew) if this leads to a great popularity of the game, then you can think about the next stages, but not earlier.

I agree, to make a game interesting to the broad masses of people there needs to be some form of skill involved. If it purely based on luck than it will be hard to attract many players. People tend to start betting if they feel they have an edge over the other guys. Without it it's going to not last very long. This doesn't mean there should be seal clubbing for easy profits. To make it viable there needs to be a ranking 6in place, so similar skilled people are getting matched.

Oh man if they can somehow integrate counter strike with gambling it would be a dream come true but I would want all the hacks and cheats being detected because as someone who has played these games a lot, I know how much hackers are there. I would even want PubG to be integrated and their hack detection is really good for PC version.

You aren't taking advantage actually but you are just challenging players and there can be some kind of MMR (Match making rating) which can be used to make sure players are matched on the same level. I think bet amounts needs to be small in these games because big chances to earn attract more cheaters in these games.

I wish there were some gambling sites with at least a basic game like chess to be played for money.

I like to be Playing Chess as PvP and also some games in our local that fits for friendly playing .
That's what brings CounterStrike Being a Shit Game because of those cheaters and hackers .

Well, it is an online game and with tons of smart gamers that could hack the game, we can't really do much about it. There are a lot of things they can exploit from the program that is if we will be talking about hacks or cheats, I think games like Chess is one of those perfect games for PvP. Online or Offline, chess is a great game.

If you play chess online you must know that there are various settings players can chose from like maximum time per move or maximum time to make all your moves combined. So you can take 2 mins for example per move when its your turn which means the game will not go on for too long.

The problem with chess is that the person who is playing against you might be using some kind of script or computer based moves which almost guarantee that you cannot win and in best case scenario you might be able to draw the game if you are using such scripts. Chess is only fun and legit when players are sitting in front of each other and playing it. Maybe a face cam can help but still can be manipulated.

I will admit that I know nothing about those video games but even a ranking system can be gamed, in chess one of the most well known ways to cheat is that there are tournaments that require that you have an Elo rating that falls between a range and some players decide to let themselves lose a bunch of games so their Elo rating gets lower despite the fact that their actual level of skill is higher and then they enter those tournaments and win easily the prize money.

There are other ways to cheat in chess as well. You might use a software that operates on your device and makes counter moves based on what your opponent does. The method you mentioned where players will throw some games to drop their ELO can actually be fixed by ensuring once a player reaches a particular ELO, it means that his ELO should not drop because of his losses by too much, since the player might be intentionally tanking matches.

PvP games have always been in demand whether its card games or video games but the problem has always been the same, how to avoid cheaters because unless you can watch the player play live, you cannot know if there is some kind of cheating being done.

What do you mean that Billiards and the other games except chess can be played by more than two players? I get that there can be a doubles in billiards and snooker but have you actually played those games that I have mentioned? I did a quick Google search as to how many players can play Go, Shogi, NBA2K and Checkers and the result is two players which is a good candidate for a PvP gambling. What makes you think that these games can be played by more than two?

For me these games also seem like a usual 1 vs 1 setup, which is the best for gambling and betting. Because you want to profit if your own skills not by someone elses. Having team games in a gambling scenario seems very difficult because you need to ensure that premade teams are only getting matched against other premade teams. In the end the outcome will depend a lot on your teammates. I definitely prefer 1 vs 1 games.

That was what I am saying in the original reply, but someone quoted that they aren't played by two players. I do agree with you about it being a good game for gambling because I know some of these games can be really good for gambling, and if it succeeds, it can even be a betting game where you can bet on which player wins, a 50/50 bet game if it is an unknown versus unknown players that they are going to bet on it.

Pretty sure Blackjack is one of the most popular ones, PvP is nothing that every casino can pull off that easily since that casino website needs enough traffic(players) so that users don't have to wait too much for someone to join them so that they can have a game.


I think that's the main concern with online PvP games, whether it's chess, Blackjack or anything else, since there's absolutely no way of making sure your opponents is playing fairly and is not using any 3rd-party software that helps them winning in any form.

I do think they should add games like :
Chess where people are allowed to play against each other. Or one might even take a little step further and have some racing games etc.
Honestly gambling is very prevent in pvp gaming since I did see a lot of matches and tournaments where people pay to get inside the game and at the end whosoever wins takes the winning with them, I do believe this is also a sort of skill gambling. All the major games have such tournaments and people tend to control these things themselves because at the end of the day if there is no third party involved people are more attracted to such games.
At the same time it is very prevalent to gamble in real life , pvp ' from races to some other games , it is an interesting sector which is still unexplored, we are still struck at card games therefore if the companies decide to maybe strike a deal with the biggest games around us they could make a lot of profit honestly.

Perhaps Tekken would be a good gambling pvp game since it involves skill and timing from both the players.

With regard with chess, I think that it can also be an avenue for pvp gaming. There are certain websites that cater in playing chess online (chess24, chess, lichess, etc.) with different game types (blitz, rapid, classical). As an avid chess player, this will also increase its player base which has the potential of attracting new players to the game.

If I am right, there are already a lot of gambling chess website that has been around for quite some time now, although I am not an expert on chess, I've already found some regarding about chess and other board games using a simple google search.

In terms with Tekken, a famous multiplayer fight video game, I've found certain restriction on the company in regards of the game being used for gambling. Also, I did a quick research regarding the 1v1 gambling match for CS:GO, DOTA 2 and other steam games and I have also found out that it's either steam or valve are targeting those website that profit/ gambling using their games. It's best to have private match-up and talk to someone that is willing to gamble using skills on video game to avoid either being banned, kick out or pay any consequences on their company.

I don't know if UNO cards can be used for gambling but I'm thinking about it being used as game for gambling where the winner takes all the prize. A simple yet great way for me.

I agree about these games specially Tekken. I used to watch Tekken matches in YT and even in FB and there are a lot of good players worldwide and it's easier this time because you can play and have a match with other tekken players online. If a platform can setup a pvp match with Tekken and have a bet against the other while spectators can also cast bets for that match before it starts, that's a game changer that we will see but it wouldn't be popular that quick.

With the setup now, it's easy to anyone to participate with this kind of pvp. Just need to set it up and let players and gamblers to play, there are many interested players since the game is really popular.

Once someone open the door, expect that there would be a lots of spectators to participate. Gamblers always a gamblers, is they've seen opportunities they'll be there to bet on.

From the players circle of friends this type of PVP can be manifested to more people
to get involve and start playing / betting.

But it is still better to have a platform like the casinos where serves as the mediator, they're be the best middleman for Pvp games. They're a casino and it's an additional feature that they can add to their casino which might be one that will gain popularity to who they are or to the branding that they have. For our friends, it is easy to set this up but it's also a good feeling that you'll be against to random people that shall be on the platforms that looks for opponents. But there's disadvantage that I can see on this, what if those pro teams would use smurfs?

Exactly. Good picks and counterpicks can decide the game. You can have better players and simply be outpicked at the beginning and you'll lose the round. That's why at top level events they usually play best of 5, but in normal casino scenario nobody is going to play for 5 hours straight to get the reward. Casino games have to be pretty easy and fast. They need a los skill entry point, so that a newbie can understand the rules fast and they need a fast paced matching system. Dota sucks in this because team picking phase alone can take 10 minutes.

Is there really need some comparison on those e-sports tournaments compared into those typical pvp gambling games like poker,blackjack or similar games?

When we do talk or point out their differences in terms of time spent then it is really noticeable.Neither of those games will be chosen then people would really be
aware on the time or duration.

Lots of PvP games out there it does matter on peoples interest.

They're already exists: Poker, bridge, go, mahjong and many other...
You don;t need to invent something already in use. And millions of people playing in it everyday. What could be invented, already invented  :)

better stick to the popular ones that you mentioned because more then likely, these games will be the ones to survive. poker i believe, is the most popular among them. and even here in the forum, you will see from time to time, hosted poker events.
but other pvp games, they tend to attract in the beginning, but later on, players got bored and move on.

It's really not possible to compare esports to gambling table games. Esports should be compared to sports at least, as all of them last for a long time before the final result. Someone betting on a soccer match or a Dota best of 5 will have to be aware the game won't be decided in 10 minutes or less, like a table cards game.
And well, if there are people betting in elections and sports championships in general which take several weeks or months to be decided, I think esports pvp match's duration won't be a negative point for this sub-category in gambling industry.

If it would be PvP gambling I think it would be great to have something like PUBG.
I am just suggesting a survival gameplay it could be any type of play like DOTA or LOL or just like PUBG where you need to loots weapon.

Only in the Western World. mahjong is top 1 gambling game in Asia (if i remember correctly)


Because we are here most from Europe/USA. If we would be in Asia, the main events would be with other games.


I don't know what kind of "pvp games" you're talking about, but games which i counted above - too popular, with world championships.

Well for E-Sports yes, that would be awesome but knowingly that VALORANT had the biggest number of gamblers on FPS, I think PUBG will be out of place. (correct me if I'm wrong)
As for the other Games, I can't think of any other than POKER or MAHJONG (haven't known if there are still Online mahjong but it is one of the game I like before)
Games of the Generals,... is that already listed on the gambling platforms today?  :P
might be a good one if you ask me ...

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Good joke I think. This type of the game despite isn't in casinos, but you can deposit TO casino with solution of this problem/game. (Blockchain is on of the solutions)

Majority of the online games that we can have opponent to play with and it's a game of competition, you can do that. Also some RPG games online that has PvP feature.
That's also an ideal thing to have bet with other players.

The problem on gambling apply on RPG and non-gambling gambling games ar the availability of the players. Not Al gamers of that particular games are interested to gamble on that game that's why most of the doesn't preferred to add games that is not suited for gambling. Most of the time, They are just push to place a bot instead of players due to lack of players.

Well, I remember before that there is a PvP game online here in the forum, and that is 9 balls pool. But before they will conduct a game, they had an agreement first here on the forum. It just looks like the site was the third party that holds the fund, but perhaps due to the small number of players, they will perhaps close the site. However, any online games are the best and suitable for PvP games, but the problem most of them won't survive because it is hard to organize and not every player has the same time to play, unless if they had a lot of players, but if not, it is possible they will close.

It is one problem but there's a solution on it by talking personally to the opponent and setting a time and date for that particular match. There are a lot of games already that's integrated with gambling including the skins, items, avatars and other gaming rewards that you can purchase in game or through p2p marketplace for that game.
And this pvp betting is like p2p match but only has to set dates.

a real billiard table and a real cue stick would be much better, i think it's fair for both players still to gamble with an online 9ball game. i would probably participate in it. I'm sure there are developers who can just integrate a betting platform PVP inside the 9ball game that they don't have to talk here in the forum. they could just login bet and wait for the players to be ready.

Agreed, in fact the name itself esports tells us against which kind of gambling game they should be compared and that is sports bets, the only way to make it p2p will be with a betfair kind of website in which you could back or lay a bet, but for p2p games then games like poker are without a doubt the best not only because a hand of poker can be resolved quite quickly but also because it is a game that is easy to learn and that almost everyone knows how to play.

Did you hear about the game Axie Infinity? I able to play the game. It was a PVP Pokemon like type of game where you will battle 3 axies as a team against another 3-Axie team. Axie is what you called those creatures. And in playing that you can earn a coin SLP that you can change in some platforms so that you can earn some money in order to play gambling and support your financials. I think this game is a very good and easy game to play. It doesn't require a large amount of time to play it but it needs some analyzation and combos for your own earnings so that you can win. Try it and invest to buy a team.

You are actually right..

When it comes to duration then we can really make out comparison between esports and other physical sports that we know.There are really differences which is notable.

As long we've been talking about PvP type of games then it would really be separated on specific categories but in overall concept.It is just all the same.

Not really beginning. It's been a decade already for the esports thriving and with less believers that it's a good industry, these days, it's a career that many believes that will make them prosperous being one of the best players or one of the best coaches or someone who can contribute to a team's success and championships.
You're right, it's just keeps on growing even with the pandemic.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think PvP games type are good in online games not on physical games right?

I guess you're right, it has a different concept with specific categories on each game had in PvP. Just like poker, we can conduct PVP in poker games and once players are settled they can place a bet on each other.

There are too many online games to be considered as good in PvP gambling, but the problem is if don't have enough players.

Although, the OP detail was about online games but pvp games are not only good in an online game cause it can be good in the physical game either but what's important is the fairness of the game result.

Yes, there are many online games that are good for pvp but most online gambler favorites was poker.

I don't see much difference between e-sport and real physical sport in terms of duration. I think you can easily find many pairs where the length of the online game is exactly the same as the duration of the offline game. Everywhere there are champions like golf or classical chess.

poker? that's the first thing that came to my mind I think that's the best suitable for PvP gambling but I think some members here have more idea and I wanted to hear that. maybe some investor here or someone planning to create a PvP gambling site may get some ideas here.

Poker definitely is a good game for PvP but there are already so many casinos involved in online gambling. As a new player it must very hard to establish yourself in the poker world as a good casino, because all the big players offer so many goodies and have a huge player base. That's why it might be better for new casinos to offer different types of games. I would assume that gamblers want to play different games from time to time.

There really are a lot of ideas about PVP games that can be applied with gambling. Poker is already popular and it's already common that whenever you hear someone says about poker.
You'll already understand that it's about playing cards with bets. Unlike the other games that are only common for games but ain't popular for gambling and those that have been mentioned in the past posts.

I have the tendency to think in this way as well, some people think this is not possible because they see sports and esports as two completely different activities but in fact are very similar, people in the past used to play soccer, baseball, basketball and other games when they were children and they enjoy watching adults play the game to the best of their abilities, now kids enjoy playing video games, it does not take a rocket scientist to understand that those kids will grow up and will want to see other people playing those games the same way we watch sports now.

Mahjong is one of the best for me.

From my grandma down to my Parents and now our generation are playing this Game , though a Chinese originated Gambling yet this is the most popular in my place.

Also Chess game? is best for PvP gambling .

I think the game of Jai Alai needs to be revived as for one it is a physical sport also a good gambling setup. This game was the rave before in the 70s and 80s until it was banned in our country. You can use crytocurrencies or fiat so that players will be able to enjoy more. I am sure many gamblers and gambling enthusiasts knows about this game. Hopefully this can be revived as I do not see it active anymore anywhere.

There are enjoyable games that we can use aside from poker where it's already popular in each sides of  the gambling industry, E-sport are also being use nowadays, kinds of strategy games that being used

from online and now gamblers seen opportunities to win over another players, the idea for PVP can materialized
as long as there are people who show interest,

It's very important to have people who will play and the rest will show up and be supported by gamblers who have
knowlege about the game or even those who are just aiming to gamble to whatever type of game they've seen interested.

interesting, never though about gambling with chess before, Poker for me was an obvious answer but not chess.

there are also tournaments on boardgames and videogames, which are less obvious but can also bring the sameconcepts of playing for money and betting.

Yes, it was already mentioned and discussed that esports are the common PVP games today that can be applied with gambling on it. It is enjoyable and at the same time you're competing not only with the bet but with the pride who's stronger and better.

There are many sportsbooks that have esports in their list that you can bet from. But it is for the professional games, and yes, most of the PVP esports games if there's a bet, only can be done through fiat and physically.
Today, it's different and we got a better status because of the online accessibility. You just talk to those other players or teams that would like to have a setup into a match with you or your team and just do it with bet online and the bet can also be done in crypto.

Chess becomes especially gambling when played with a short time control. For example, I play well when the whole game is given 3 minutes, and if the time control is 2 minutes, then pure adrenaline begins. Therefore, I do not play such games before bedtime - after that it is very difficult to fall asleep  ;D

Computers are way better than the average player so there will be a lot of cheating involved unless you could find a way to somehow detect that, to give you an idea of how difficult this is chess tournaments that require the physical presence of the players have problems ensuring there is no cheating involved, there have been many cases like people going many times to the bathroom and check their phones for moves, to people being signal the right moves by another person using a computer, so I do not think casinos can guarantee that players will not cheat and that is why chess is not offered as a gambling game.

Hehe, that is true. I feel that games like chess though should be played with enough time because it kills the whole purpose of the chess game if we are speeding through our moves without actually thinking as much as we should.

Multipayer chess games are there but none of them are paid, at least none that I am aware of. One reason is because of the high possibility of cheating going on and bots playing instead of humans. Another reason is that no matter how much we hype chess game, it remains boring and absolutely worthless for the viewers.

I am someone who watches snooker and I feel like chess is almost the same. At least in snooker, there are some good shots and viewers can cheer for them, otherwise just sit idle and watch them play. I rather prefer games where we can cheer and get involved like multiplayer games like DOTA2.

It is difficult to tap into this industry, but i would not say that you should be calling all projects dead just yet. An ICO that I managed in my local board (Asuracoin) seems to be pretty much dead and some other like "flipcoin" do not seem to go any further. However, the industry is so big and there is so much growth that there will certainly be more projects in the comming years.