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Why can't bitcoin even get to 2mB?

One word: Propaganda.

I have a different world for it, Politics. The argument for larger blocks has only faced opposition from the miners, not the users or devs. Users really don't care if miners lose income sue to a change in protocol; everyone that isn't a miner is pretty upset about the state of fees at the moment: (

The Politics of this are so bad, we have November looming ahead of us. We let this go so far that we are looking at a fork, rather than a compromise.

I don't get what you're suggesting. Unlimited block size? If so, no decentralization

DASH number of unique transactions per day:  about four thousand (https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/dash-transactions.html).

Bitcoin confirmed transactions per day:  about 230 thousand (https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions).

It's not the block size, it's the maximum block size.  DASH is also a younger project with very few transactions, so the blockchain is very small in comparison.  Not to mention that in DASH, full node users are rewarded, while in Bitcoin they're just volunteers. 

I don't think it's a fair comparison.

Plus, you don't know that it can't get to 2mb.  While they're not actually signalling for the code yet and they might not carry out with the hard fork anyway, it seems like shitloads of pools are supporting SegWitx2 right now.

Since bitcoin is a decentalized network it will take a longer time to get the things implemented and hopefully we will have the network upgrade in a few months and i am sure that the network will be back to normal as it could carry out more transactions at a faster pace. :)

Dash is a MASSIVE premine shitcoin that cannot scale. The devs and shills want you to believe that it can because it has never been tested and currently hosts a maximum 2 transactions a second.

Bitcoin big block fork is coming soon. Not worried.

Fart?? ;D

Enjoy! https://www.dashforcenews.com/ripple-enable-2-5-second-japan-thailand-bank-transfers-gateways-integrate-dash/
 ;D

Yup still a premined scam no matter how you try to wrap it up.

P.S. To all newbies. Dash use to be called Darkcoin but they tried to rebrand it after all the initial investors lost their money to the creators premined scam. And he's back again. And this shill, well just look at his user name. He is a PAID SHILL IN DARK/DASH. I.e. A shitcoin.

You can not host P2P network ... on data center.  ::)
Single point of Failure.

I can host Bitcoin complete blockchain with 142Go of partition.
And i wait SegWit to re-organize (futur revision) the local blockchain ... since 2 years.

Holy crap, is that true?  I figured Dash would have way more transactions than that throughout the course of a day.  Then again, its only real use is as a speculative instrument--no one takes it for goods & services that I know of.  The darkweb (which I don't frequent) doesn't even deal with Dash to the best of my knowledge.

I know there are tons of Dash haters here, but I like the coin and I just recently bought a little.  Just a little, mind you.  I'm hoping at $182 that it's not all downside.  lol

From what I have heard it's primarily pedophiles who are using dark/dash. Hence the original name from its origins on the dark web. The pedos had been desperate to rebrand it until they came up with the name dash. Seriously unless you are a pedo it has 0 usage.

That's the point a lot of people are missing out. They're not making fair comparisons. It's a matter of scaling and they aren't putting these comparisons on the same scale. If anyone wants to see a non Bitcoin crypto try to grapple with tx rates, they don't have to look far. Just the number one alt.

It's as true as that graph is.  It was just the first result I got for "DASH transaction volume", because I assumed that would explain why it doesn't matter whether DASH raises the max block size.  I can't find another one so that's all the info we've got.
I'm pretty sure that Alpha Bay has wallets for Bitcoin, ETH, Monero and Zcash, but obviously the merchants accept what they like and almost all of them just accept BTC.  I suspect that's the case for most other dark net markets as well.  Some people do gambling with DASH because of the quick confirmations, but other than that I can mainly just think of trading to be honest.
Fair enough.

But anyway, my point is that when DASH isn't actually sent very much, it does what it likes in terms of max block size.  Bitcoin is not the same.  Also, Bitcoin is a lot bigger and has a lot more active developers trying different things so consensus is harder.

so op, let me get this straight.

dash has 300mb blocks and it remains fully decentralised with thousands of nodes?

can you explain to us how this is possible when even the most batshit insane big blocker, kinda like you, doesn't go much above 8mb?

In other words, Dash is claiming to be able to safely scale to 300MB blocks but so far we have no prove of it. Is there a Dash testnet? Have there been any stresstests so far?

its in their roadmap...that's all I'm saying.

I never said we can't go above 8MB.

I think 8MB is a reasonable jump for right now.. no reason we can't go to huge blocks in the future as Moore's law continues and Bitcoin becomes more valuable. 

Even right now, I can download a 100MB file in less than 10 seconds. 

there is no incentive and nobody cares so no! no one has ever bothered to do a spam attack (or the pretty word: stress test) dash or any other altcoin. it is just not worth it.
the funny thing is some of them go down on their own under normal circumstances like what happend to ethereum. i can't even imagine what will happen when someone spams these coins.

Are you kidding me? XRP, ETH, and many other coins have suffered spam attack multiple times before.

Bitcoin is special, but not so special as you claimed.

no they have not. maybe someone did a very short period of spam attack as a test for a couple of hours once, but none of them experienced any real spam attack.

and don't confuse a spam attack with a simple increase in number of transactions because price is pumping or dumping and people move their coins in a panic to sell them.

Though Bitcoin has been mentioned in OP, this is obviously a discussion about an Altcoin. Shouldn't be here.

I guess it doesn't hurt to do that when you have to pay so much to have a working and paying Masternode.
Aka locking dash https://medium.com/dash-for-newbies/what-the-heck-is-a-dash-masternode-and-how-do-i-get-one-56e24121417e
Whoever has the cash lying around to run those doesn't care so much about space issues.

Exactly. And no, not even a stresstest could reveal the real implications of 300MB blocks. Stress tests typically last some hours or at most some days. But most people forgot that in Bitcoin-based currencies all full nodes must validate the entire blockchain, that means - in a 300-MB-scenario - weeks of downloading and validating blocks with high CPU/RAM load. It's not only done downloading and storing it, that would be the least concern.

The only coin that is somewhat "proving" that a higher blockchain capacity is possible is Ethereum because of their high transaction load in the past months, but the differences with Bitcoin are not very high.

spread your bet into both
on-chain scaling with big max block size: DASH 
segwit and lightning network: LTC
for bitcoin, we should be getting segwit soon as well.

Hasn't Ethereum actually showed that they too have scaling issues? Or are you talking purely blocksize?

yeah. they're not exactly knocking out of the park. exchanges had to shut down ethereum movements because of overload. bitcoin's never had that problem and never will.

That's the reason also why on 1st of August Segwit2x will be happen and it says that the bitcoin will now get 4MB. I guess is that so and if it totally happens maybe the transactions will now be get better than before, let us hope that it will be because it's the upgrade to the system of blockchain.