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June 30, 2017, 07:01:00 PM |
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Why can't bitcoin even get to 2mB?
One word: Propaganda.
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June 30, 2017, 07:09:43 PM |
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Why can't bitcoin even get to 2mB?
One word: Propaganda.
I have a different world for it, Politics. The argument for larger blocks has only faced opposition from the miners, not the users or devs. Users really don't care if miners lose income sue to a change in protocol; everyone that isn't a miner is pretty upset about the state of fees at the moment: ( The Politics of this are so bad, we have November looming ahead of us. We let this go so far that we are looking at a fork, rather than a compromise.
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June 30, 2017, 07:23:30 PM |
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I don't get what you're suggesting. Unlimited block size? If so, no decentralization
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June 30, 2017, 08:14:57 PM |
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DASH number of unique transactions per day: about four thousand. Bitcoin confirmed transactions per day: about 230 thousand. It's not the block size, it's the maximum block size. DASH is also a younger project with very few transactions, so the blockchain is very small in comparison. Not to mention that in DASH, full node users are rewarded, while in Bitcoin they're just volunteers. I don't think it's a fair comparison. Plus, you don't know that it can't get to 2mb. While they're not actually signalling for the code yet and they might not carry out with the hard fork anyway, it seems like shitloads of pools are supporting SegWitx2 right now.
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June 30, 2017, 08:40:05 PM |
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Why can't bitcoin even get to 2mB? One word: Propaganda.
Since bitcoin is a decentalized network it will take a longer time to get the things implemented and hopefully we will have the network upgrade in a few months and i am sure that the network will be back to normal as it could carry out more transactions at a faster pace. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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June 30, 2017, 08:43:04 PM |
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Dash is a MASSIVE premine shitcoin that cannot scale. The devs and shills want you to believe that it can because it has never been tested and currently hosts a maximum 2 transactions a second.
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June 30, 2017, 08:50:43 PM |
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Bitcoin big block fork is coming soon. Not worried.
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June 30, 2017, 09:02:10 PM |
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Bitcoin big block fork is coming soon. Not worried.
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June 30, 2017, 09:39:14 PM |
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Yup still a premined scam no matter how you try to wrap it up. P.S. To all newbies. Dash use to be called Darkcoin but they tried to rebrand it after all the initial investors lost their money to the creators premined scam. And he's back again. And this shill, well just look at his user name. He is a PAID SHILL IN DARK/DASH. I.e. A shitcoin.
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June 30, 2017, 09:44:38 PM |
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You can not host P2P network ... on data center. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Single point of Failure. I can host Bitcoin complete blockchain with 142Go of partition. And i wait SegWit to re-organize (futur revision) the local blockchain ... since 2 years.
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June 30, 2017, 09:54:05 PM |
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Holy crap, is that true? I figured Dash would have way more transactions than that throughout the course of a day. Then again, its only real use is as a speculative instrument--no one takes it for goods & services that I know of. The darkweb (which I don't frequent) doesn't even deal with Dash to the best of my knowledge. I know there are tons of Dash haters here, but I like the coin and I just recently bought a little. Just a little, mind you. I'm hoping at $182 that it's not all downside. lol
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Holy crap, is that true? I figured Dash would have way more transactions than that throughout the course of a day. Then again, its only real use is as a speculative instrument--no one takes it for goods & services that I know of. The darkweb (which I don't frequent) doesn't even deal with Dash to the best of my knowledge. I know there are tons of Dash haters here, but I like the coin and I just recently bought a little. Just a little, mind you. I'm hoping at $182 that it's not all downside. lol From what I have heard it's primarily pedophiles who are using dark/dash. Hence the original name from its origins on the dark web. The pedos had been desperate to rebrand it until they came up with the name dash. Seriously unless you are a pedo it has 0 usage.
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June 30, 2017, 10:03:27 PM |
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DASH number of unique transactions per day: about four thousand. Bitcoin confirmed transactions per day: about 230 thousand. It's not the block size, it's the maximum block size. DASH is also a younger project with very few transactions, so the blockchain is very small in comparison. Not to mention that in DASH, full node users are rewarded, while in Bitcoin they're just volunteers. I don't think it's a fair comparison. Plus, you don't know that it can't get to 2mb. While they're not actually signalling for the code yet and they might not carry out with the hard fork anyway, it seems like shitloads of pools are supporting SegWitx2 right now. That's the point a lot of people are missing out. They're not making fair comparisons. It's a matter of scaling and they aren't putting these comparisons on the same scale. If anyone wants to see a non Bitcoin crypto try to grapple with tx rates, they don't have to look far. Just the number one alt.
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June 30, 2017, 10:06:51 PM |
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It's as true as that graph is. It was just the first result I got for "DASH transaction volume", because I assumed that would explain why it doesn't matter whether DASH raises the max block size. I can't find another one so that's all the info we've got. I figured Dash would have way more transactions than that throughout the course of a day. Then again, its only real use is as a speculative instrument--no one takes it for goods & services that I know of. The darkweb (which I don't frequent) doesn't even deal with Dash to the best of my knowledge.
I'm pretty sure that Alpha Bay has wallets for Bitcoin, ETH, Monero and Zcash, but obviously the merchants accept what they like and almost all of them just accept BTC. I suspect that's the case for most other dark net markets as well. Some people do gambling with DASH because of the quick confirmations, but other than that I can mainly just think of trading to be honest. I know there are tons of Dash haters here, but I like the coin and I just recently bought a little. Just a little, mind you. I'm hoping at $182 that it's not all downside. lol
Fair enough. But anyway, my point is that when DASH isn't actually sent very much, it does what it likes in terms of max block size. Bitcoin is not the same. Also, Bitcoin is a lot bigger and has a lot more active developers trying different things so consensus is harder.
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June 30, 2017, 10:15:16 PM |
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so op, let me get this straight.
dash has 300mb blocks and it remains fully decentralised with thousands of nodes?
can you explain to us how this is possible when even the most batshit insane big blocker, kinda like you, doesn't go much above 8mb?
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June 30, 2017, 10:28:18 PM |
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In other words, Dash is claiming to be able to safely scale to 300MB blocks but so far we have no prove of it. Is there a Dash testnet? Have there been any stresstests so far?
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July 01, 2017, 12:33:24 AM |
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so op, let me get this straight.
dash has 300mb blocks and it remains fully decentralised with thousands of nodes?
can you explain to us how this is possible when even the most batshit insane big blocker, kinda like you, doesn't go much above 8mb?
its in their roadmap...that's all I'm saying. I never said we can't go above 8MB. I think 8MB is a reasonable jump for right now.. no reason we can't go to huge blocks in the future as Moore's law continues and Bitcoin becomes more valuable. Even right now, I can download a 100MB file in less than 10 seconds.
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July 01, 2017, 03:40:24 AM |
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In other words, Dash is claiming to be able to safely scale to 300MB blocks but so far we have no prove of it. Is there a Dash testnet? Have there been any stresstests so far? there is no incentive and nobody cares so no! no one has ever bothered to do a spam attack (or the pretty word: stress test) dash or any other altcoin. it is just not worth it. the funny thing is some of them go down on their own under normal circumstances like what happend to ethereum. i can't even imagine what will happen when someone spams these coins.
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July 01, 2017, 05:24:52 AM |
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no one has ever bothered to do a spam attack (or the pretty word: stress test) dash or any other altcoin.
Are you kidding me? XRP, ETH, and many other coins have suffered spam attack multiple times before. Bitcoin is special, but not so special as you claimed.
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