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So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

First of all, I wouldn't suggest that you do that because it is a very stupid idea.

If a transaction goes unconfirmed for too long, it will eventually disappear from the network. Most clients will remove it from their pool of unconfirmed transactions at some point. And yes, the money should return to your account. When most clients have removed it, you can go ahead and send the transaction again, if you wish and I would suggest to use a higher fee. There's not a precise time when the transaction will disappear from the network, it could be days or up to a week. This is why it's always recommended to set a transaction fee.
 

You need to remember about applying appropriate fee size to every transaction unless you want to get your money stuck.
The only way to send BTC's without miners bounty is to do it through some website (3rd party service pretty much, but be careful!)

Sending  bitcoin without miners fee is very risky in my opinion. You get risk of your coins  being stuck, thus its a very big hassle on your part. You'll need  services like viabtc to accelerate it again.

Bitcoins never go into space. You will either get the transaction returned or it will be included in a block.

Less chance it will included in a block, you're too lucky if some miner inlcude your transaction, but most probably it will stay in the blockchain for a long time or maybe it will return to your sending address after several times.

I guess this is not a good idea. Simce you are aware that your coin will be unconfirmed for too long you better put fee so you will not go into double spending for transaction to pump up. It happened to me and it was so suck to wait for so long watching your coin to come and waited for weeks.If you dont want to spend fee the  your transaction will be impossble to be confirmed that is all nothing complicated with that. But for your information the transaction fee is now low unlike before it was 0.001.

Good thing someone asked this. I too, am not sure if my bitcoins will be returned to me if I do the same way. So, it really pays to add miners' fee if you don't want your bitcoins to get stuck. Maybe in time, when there are lesser transactions, fees will go down eventually.

It will be returned back to the original wallet but the time varies and you might not be able to bear the waiting time for it. It's just get stuck until a reversal is done, I've been there before as a novice and it took nearly 72 hours before I got them returned. You can try with a small amount which you can afford to loose and check the waiting time.

Your will eventually return to your address once it is deleted in the network, No miners will waste their time to process a transaction without payment. And I think even the double spend will not gonna work since the transaction will not gonna received any confirmaton at the first place. You will just waste your time by doing this.

You can always craft another transaction to replace the initial transaction. You don't have to wait weeks for it to appear in the client. Fees aren't fixed. They are variable based on the size.

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If your transaction has little fee, your client might rebroadcast it forever till it gets into a block. Either that or your transaction will get dropped by the nodes across the network. Some clients allows the user to select whether to stop rebroadcasting the transaction or not.

no, there is no "transaction returning" in bitcoin. on paper it MAY be possible but in practice when you send a bitcoin transaction it will stay out there forever until it either confirms or becomes invalid (like by double spending) and gets rejected.

to OP if you want to do such a thing make sure to mark it as RBF so that if you changed your mind you still have an "easier" option to solve the problem.

All the above bullsh*t posts aside your bullsh*t is something entirely new, who the fu*k taught you this? when a transaction doesn't get confirmed after a while it will be as if you never sent it at all meaning it will be unlocked/ back to your wallet.

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I don't know if people are getting dumber or what?

i don't understand the reason for all these insults! if i am wrong then feel free to prove i am wrong.

and no your "after a while" was increased from 72 hours to 336 hours or 2 weeks and there will always be a node out there that has your transaction in its mempool and is broadcasting it so it propagates through the network and every node will have it at all times.

there is no "as it it was never sent either". people are either using SPV or web wallets in which case they have no control over what happens and have to stick to methods such as RBF or simply double spending.

or they run full nodes and have control on what they broadcast in which case they can manually "abandon" the transaction and make a new one, it doesn't happen on its own. it will stay in your node as your transaction that you keep broadcasting and in your wallet it will stay as spent.
even if they do that, the network doesn't have to accept the new transcription. when you rebroadcast the double spent transaction the nodes which have your previous tx will reject your new one because it is a double spend.

If you want to send Bitcoin without a fee or a very low fee it means that your money will be stuck and after a long time it will return to your mailing address after many submissions. After that, even if you double your fees, your transaction will not be accepted because it was initially rejected. There are no miners to handle the transaction without getting paid...

Ok wait, things gets more complicated to me now. Someone says it will return back to your wallet and someone also says it won't. Since there's this differences of opinion, it will be better to do the transaction with a miners' fee - playing safe, though.

You have the choice to send a transaction with no or low fee, the same way miners have the choice to ignore your transaction on the basis of no or low fee. Either your transaction gets stuck for a long period of time without confirmation, the network keeps relaying it until some miner finally adds it or it gets pruned by the network (you will get your bitcoin back in your wallet). Yeah, you can rebroadcast a similar transaction with higher fee and get it conformed thus making the old transaction invalid, double spend. But why go through all this hassle.

If you will send the Bitcoin at very low amount of fees then I am100% sure that you need to wait undefined time because all will depend upon your luck .
If you will send your Bitcoin lowest recommended fee then this will make your transaction within the week ( in case of high traffic of transaction ) .
But If manually you will set really a low fee that the miners can't see your fee in the competition of transaction bid then your transaction will got stuck and you will need then rebroadcast your transaction , and then again wait and wait , so more better is that use the recommended low fee that the wallet is showing by default .

its always better to play safe than having some issue, placing transaction fee is the best ways though its depend on how fast or quick you wants the mere fact that transaction will be push much quicker if you provide miners fee will be much convenient.

Even when you place a small transaction fee you'll be notified that the transaction may go unconfirmed, please make an increased transaction fee. So when you place the low transaction fee the risk is big, based on the fact it's good to go with the fee suggested by the wallet itself.

Don't try to send without paying a fee. It's better to pay with smaller fee if you want to try, base on my experience I paid for small fee but the transaction didn't reflect to my wallet and I was worried by that time and the note is unspent. But upon waiting for a while the amount credited. No bitcoin is being stuck, it will be only delayed for process.

Yes.Don't try that especially in this period where there is huge number of transactions stuck.If you still send it without a fee or with a very low fee,then it may take even one or two weeks to get confirmed or else,it may return to your account.I had that experience when i forgot to set transaction fee manually in my electrum wallet and it took around two weeks to get confirmed.

Well without the miner fees is really just going to leave you nowhere, so I wouldn't go ahead and do something so drastic like that. You could in theory go ahead and pay lower fees, that could work but it's going to take a long time for something to go ahead and be confirmed, so if you're doing something that is time specific I would avoid this altogether as you're really not going to get anywhere.

If you're that concerned about overpaying for fees or something like that, I'd go ahead and find a fee estimator which can help you pay the lowest fee in the fasted amount of time to be confirmed. Those usually do the trick for me.

DEPOSIT BTC 0.0005 claimwith
Confirmations 4
TXID 16f9e3f44736e38ebd099ce36513e37a63d7ea677ce89804f77f5a6cb69f675f

NO, you can not do that because wallet will not allow you to do that and if there is some bug and it allows you to do that, your transaction will never be proceeded and your money will be stuck for many days

Depends I would say to wait and go with a minimum fee with block confirmations the old standard text would be a risky but possible amount at times.
You could also wait on the network for a few months and see if that impacts the rates.
https://bitcoinfees.21.co/
The wait isn't to long at the time of posting though 8-78 Blocks or   50-660 minutes and not an infinite time on 0 so I guess you could gamble today and get lucky.
https://blockchain.info/charts/mempool-size?timespan=1year Trend seems to show a small mempool but fees are lagging and higher than needed in processing cases hmm it is interesting.

This is why Mc'donalds will ditch bitcoins in the long run.

It is to complicated if you just want a burger.

PS: Don't shoot the messenger..

If you will execute a transaction with a very low fee or worst, doesn't have miners fee then your transaction will just get stuck to the network and it will take a lot of weeks or even months to be confirmed to bring back your coins because the miners will prioritize the people who putted fees because that is how they will earn money and not the people who did not put fees.

If you don't want some headache then don't send transactions without fees and just pay the recommendable fee.

And if you are using blockchain.info or xapo you can't even succeed with your transaction so it's a must to pay for it.

Always check the recommended fees so you won't be mislead.

What I want to know is why OP wanted to send bitcoin without mining fee? I think everybody in bitcoin knows that if you send without mining fees, it will be stuck. Does he sees any benefit in it?

I was just experimenting with the same with my alternate wallet by giving low transaction for 1000 sathoshi it holds for week transaction confirmation was in hold after 6 to 7 days its back to my wallet . so its bad idea for giving less transaction fees now may be past it was working.

your transaction will either return after 72 hours if in the mempool, or it will remain stuck there forgotten, and you can do some trick to have it back like

abandon transaction or if you are in prune mode and you get the abandon transaction greyed out, you can do this one

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1933569.msg19201753#msg19201753

It is possible to send the coins without any fee, if you are using a wallet which allows you to manually set the tx fee (such as Blockchain.info). But there is very little chance that the transaction will get confirmed. Most probably, the coins will be stuck for many days, and they will be returned to the sender address after that.

I think they system will not allow you to finish your transaction if the fee's amount will be too low and you will not have another option besides to pay a regular fee. Better don't even try.

Just curious.  ;D

As reading comments on this thread, I've noticed that many people had tried it before. I guess they were also just curious.

So if your transactions are not confirmed in a long time and your transactions are removed by pools, yes, the amount of Bitcoin should return to your wallet. But I suggest you not do that, it's not a right action.

absolutely not recommended , miner fees used to be pay mined block on blockchain payment so i think your funds will stuck , i never experience this as well , do not use fees below 0.0005 btc or you cant get your money back , i guarantee it , just play it safe and everything should be fine  :)

Don't try such stupid stunts you will have your coins stuck for a very long period of time, and then what if they don't return to you, I do know they will return but say due to your bad luck they don't return then what will you do. What I would suggest you pay higher fees or look in the service section of this forum, one guy was offering free trx services, you could get in touch with him he will help your transaction go fast, but I would advise strongly against this low fee idea.

the internal implementation of a banking system and a credit card is also too complicated but you don't see anyone complaining!

the reason is simply because the "end user" being the customer or Mc donals both won't be exposed to the details and complications. they just use a simplified interface which is that little device you swipe your credit card (i think it is called POS in English!) or a simple wallet interface for bitcoin.

the same way you don't need to know what happens when you swipe your card you don't need to know about fees, etc in bitcoin. the App should analyze and tell you everything.
and then the same way that credit card device rejects a dead or stolen, ... credit card, another bitcoin app/device can reject bad transactions with low fees or other risks.

Pay the appropriate mining fee, get confirmed in the next block. Simple. Try to save yourself by testing the lower bounds, you wait.

Well, I guess the transaction could eventually happen but after much time, and not fast, because the miners look for higher transaction fees. If they don't happen, well you won't lose your btc and they will return to your account. But if you really want to make some transactions, I suggest putting a normal transaction fee, so It will eventually be processed faster.

At least pay one satoshi per byte:).
Don't be a jerk!

Like this guy did
https://blockchain.info/en/tx/100a6ea3fa9b2595b224bbf51573161d4e8c99e32774253dbf81f2ff07ed3ffb
And he is not the only one.

I dont suggest you to do something like that because it can just waste your time and you dont get nothing.More fee you pay you get your transaction faster confirmed but for free nobody will not confirm your transaction.

I guess you should try it and let us know what happens eventually, I send bitcoins mostly for products and services I receive, and I always want it to confirm as early as possible so that I can go ahead and quickly do what I need to do.

You will wait a long time before your transaction gets confirmed and you can't send someone bitcoin if you will not pay miner fees.


Haha damn! This guy nailed it, see he paid 1sat/B

I made a mistake once when I put small fee to the miners. At first I thought my transaction will be rejected cause it took very long time to get a confirmation. It rebroadcasted couple times and finally after a month my transaction got a confirmation. Some people said when our transaction got no confirmation after 72 hours, it'll be rejected and the money will be send back to our wallet. But, I never faced such situation.

When you know it very well that your transaction won't get confirmed and when paying for the network fee is a part of the bitcoin system then you will only be doing it for wasting your own time. Add the fee to amount you want to send as fee is also an incentive for the miners for their work.

Yeah there is no available excuses for not paying the fees because the miners are still here aside from mining is because they can earn from confirming transactions so it is very understandable that miner fees are needed in sustaining the network of bitcoin and also to maintain the profitability of bitcoin to other people just like the miners that keep supporting the network.

transaction fee is necessary to give or they transaction can be failed

that is a very common misunderstanding. in fact that is no such thing as being rejected after some time or being canceled. your transaction is either rejected on the spot or it stays alive.

there was a topic about this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1984426.msg19759163#msg19759163

Miners play a vital role in the whole ecosystem of bitcoin. Without them, we cannot have transactions with integrity. They are also investing big to mine bitcoins and because of this, it is just fair to pay them some fees, which are actually not that expensive.

It's, sometime, called Double spend. the bad news for you is that minners will ignore your transactions, they won't be confirmed. The "good" news for you is that you can cheat that Bitcoin because you can tell people that you signed the transactions but it is not and will not be confirmed.

this is not a good idea . I did not try that
 But I do not think your money will be sent

Aside from that, you will also get to have much delay in accessing your coins. This is really a sad part. It may really take time before your money is give back to you again after a failed transactions.

Well that's a small price to pay for being stingy, how can you expect to send a transaction for free? The miners ought to eat dude! So for contributing their hardware, power and internet you just want to send your transactions without appreciating their effort? I think you deserve to loose half the amount you sent without the fees.

Exactly Man, if you are aware of the transaction log for sure you will regret if you are going to do that thing. You know what? It is because the lesser you put a transaction fee the you have the less chance to have it fast or maybe if you put zero fee for sure it will not sent to the receiver of coin. Even people with higher fee has to wait few hours and with no fee you can image , it will never be confirmed.

 Bitcoin has low transaction fees,why because we no need to depend upon any bank.it is not handling by any government and this is decentralized currency we can send bitcoins to any one through the internet.

I always disagree with such attitude

Miners are there because this is the whole idea behind decentralization. Decentralization is the ultimate aim of mining as such, i.e. keeping the network decentralized since it allows Bitcoin to exist and not lose value in a trustless network, where no one trusts anyone else. Thus the point of miners wanting to eat or earn profits in general is utterly inconsequential to that (conceptually), while the transaction fees themselves are only one of the methods to incentivize people to become miners and allegedly keep the network decentralized. But the practice clearly shows that this method doesn't work in the long run and in fact eventually leads to the opposite of what it was intended to reach, i.e. to centralization instead of decentralization

That just out of his curiosity even myself having the same question back in the past when i dont really have idea on what would happen if you send bitcoin without tx fee or very very low fee. It wont really be broadcasted and possibility of getting stuck or wont confirm is there and also if you do make use of famous wallets you cant sent if you didnt follow their recommended fees even on the lowest one.

I have not tried it yet.Don't try it now when there are lots of transactions stuck in between.If you do so,it may not get confirmed.But instead,after segwit,you could try with smaller miner fee.

If they will send bitcoin without any miner fee then I can say that his transaction will not be confirmed. Transactions without miner fee are no longer existing today and thus all bitcoin holders needs to place a miner fee for their transaction to be confirmed. This is in support for the hardwork of the miners amidst the increasing difficulty in mining.

I do agree with your statement that if segwit will be activated and if the possibility that the miner fee will be lessened due to the increase of blocksize will be realized then our burden will also become lighter. But having no miner fee is still an impossibility/

Doing transaction without miner fee will be impossible thing to happen but paying low fee might take your transaction to a very long time of wait. Because miners perspective that if you pay a large fee, that transaction might be urgent or an important one that's is why you are paying a large quantity of transaction fee. Yes your money must return to your account upon pulling out your money from the pool. But if you want to assure that your transaction will be process, pay the right amount and take a lot of patience upon waiting.

What's this about pulling money out of a pool? Your coins are "returned" once the network forgets about your transaction. This happens when nodes stop re-broadcasting your unconfirmed transaction (by default 72 hours but it could be configured to anything).

Alternatively if you have a bitcoin client that allows you to double-spend you could also try to double-spend those coins with a higher fee. If that succeeds, then the previous transaction becomes immediately invalidated.

I think doing transactions without paying miner fee is quite impossible and risky because there is no one who will process your transaction. Also no one will do processing without getting paid. Paying low miner fee might take you a long term of waiting because they are prioritizing those transactions that pay large fees because it might indicate that those transactions are really important and urgent. So for you to be able to process your transaction, pay the right amount of miner fee and have a lot of patience while waiting.

I haven't tried it yet but I don’t understand why people even try illegal ways. Don't ever try this technique. This doesn't worth it. I think so if you will pay low transaction fee or minimum transaction fee, your transaction will not take place. Your cash will either return back to you or there is a slight chance that your money will get stuck somewhere and you will require a particular technique to get it back. So i will suggest you to pay a recommended transaction fee so that your transaction can take place.

I don't really see how it can be illegal

Apart from that, this is a good test of what miners actually think about Bitcoin at large. Say, if there is no congestion, i.e. no competition between transactors, and the mempool is essentially empty with blocks not filled up to the hilt, what could prevent miners from confirming transactions with no fees? If they don't lose anything from including such transactions (which seems to be the case), why would they not include them? Just to show the public that they want fees?

Question:

I use Paxful and the standard mining fee is 0.0008 BTC
Is that low or is that standard. Because that's what I pay on my other sites as well.

Also, sometimes it's fairly fast but sometimes It's slow.

High rates to the miners for the transaction is disadvantageous not only for the owners of the coins but also by the miners. I don't understand why rates are so high. This will scare away from bitcoin sellers. Constantly invest in coins, people will not and the miners could trigger an outflow of investment. Then they all lose everything. To pay the miners need, but the fees should be low to attract new customers.

I've not used Paxful in a while, but that seems to be an okay fee at the moment, maybe even on the high side.
There are currently *only* around 10k unconfirmed transactions and this is what fees are recommended:

Source: https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

Actually, I do try low transaction fees every now and then just out of curiosity. I had wanted to send a 0 fee but my wallet didn't let me, but I do test the network a lot with low fees since I seldom ever need urgent confirmations. When the network is relatively free like today, they're not unreasonably delayed. Today, over 53k txs with fees between 1-30 sats/byte were confirmed within 8 hours (bitcoinfees.21.co).

As long as my txs are broadcast, they never get dropped off the network. All below 10 sat/byte and majority confirmed within half a day.

And today, just looking at blocks. a 3 sat/byte fee tx. Less than 18k satoshi to send 2.1 BTC. 7 hours 14 minutes to confirm.

https://blockchain.info/tx/7d59231d90e2c1b86b1a2b2a2b0da5103d21b03120d17932f043df45dea3954f

Does anyone know of a wallet I could test 0 fee spends?

If you send without a miner fee, I'm very sure your transaction will not go through as most miners or even all won't even bother having a look at your transaction which makes it not to be included in a block except you wanna use some form of voodoo ;D nevertheless, low fee doesn't mean your transaction won't get confirmed but it might just take a while before it does and sometimes you may even get lucky and won't take much time. Whichever way, after some days and your transaction does not get added to a block, your wallet you sent it from will tenderly receive it back gladly.

Lol even that transaction can not be done, if you use the wallet online and you choose without using miner fee of course the wallet will not allow it, you will not be able to push the send button Unless you fill at least 10k satoshi fee. Even now 10k satoshi fee is rarely used

Don't do it.  I made that mistake and I had to basically double-spend and hope the higher fee version got picked up.   Stressful.   I usually pay more than the recommended amount to make sure it goes.

1 sat per byte is the effective minimum fee since anything less and nodes won't send your transaction on to other peers. Most of these transactions will confirm just fine, but slow.

There are a few miners that accept 0-fee, but you'd have to get your transaction to them manually.

I've tried it with a small amount so I do not lose money and in a few days the transaction will not get a confirmation. Then the transaction fails and the bitcoin goes back into my wallet. So that's what happens when you use 0 fee transaction

This is no more than your assumption

Quite naturally, if the rates are so high, miners don't think it as disadvantageous to them. Maybe, they are missing something, maybe, it is in fact you who are missing something else. But as to me, miners are closer to real understanding of the current lay of the Bitcoin land than most posters here are. Anyway, as long as Bitcoin had been rising the fees skyrocketing were only adding to miners' profits, not taking from them. That likely explains why we no longer see the network being flooded with spam transactions since they could really affect miners' profitability when Bitcoin prices have been stagnating for some time now

I also get the same result like you, i only have a fixed bitcoin amount and i choose to just input 0 fee in my transaction but after a few weeks it goes back to my wallet which i am really happy because i thought that it will just get stuck in the network forever. If you want to be fair to other people like miners, you should pay the recommended fee to avoid complications.

I am not sure if you can put zero as a transaction fee, i think that is not possible. But as far as lower transaction fee is concerned, that is possible. You can put it, but your transaction will not be confirmed. You will get your money back... in time. But that means that your founds would be stuck, for long time... And that is not something anybody wants right. :P

Fact are facts and you can send with any miner fee that you want whether it be high or low.

it's going to affect how quickly the transactions get confirmed in the chain and going to affect the health of the block chain, in general because you're taking money away from the people that are mining it. so the more and more money that you take away from those mining it the less and less mining that will happen and therefore eventually muck and shut the entire system down

In reality that's not going to happen because there will always be people out there to do things the right way. but you can use any fee you want, because the rest of the world is there to support your nonsense.  The TX may take three days to confirm.

I think that would be a stupid and useless transaction if you are not paying for miners fee,that transaction will not be processed i think if you will not put any miners fee even a little miners fee on the transactions

There is a very low chance that zero-fee transactions may be processed. Some of the mining pools such as BTC.TOP have previously included zero-fee transactions in the blocks which they have mined. But considering the number of unconfirmed transactions nowadays, the chances are quite remote. If you had forgot to add a fee, then in order to process the transaction you may need to pay a fee to the transaction accelerators, such as viaBTC.

Having bitcoin transaction without paying the miner fee will only give you headache, it would be better to pay higher fee so that your transaction will be complete fast and you'll have a smooth transaction.

This is nonsense.

Why would it affect the health of the blockchain?
It would mean that the chain is rotten to the core cause in the early days there were a lot of transactions with 0 fee.

And by not paying fees you're not taking money away from the miners.
It like saying that if you drink water from a river you;re going to bankrupt Evian.

The miners have their choice , include the tx or not.
They have empty space they want to do you a favor they will include it. If not .. then no. Simple as that.

And how will the system shut down ,furthermore what system?

But safer to include at least the minimum fee, so it would only be a matter of time and the transaction would be confirmed. Miners are actually business people and they are rendering some vital services, so they deserve to make some profit, only their charges are now becoming outrageous and people are beginning to complain.

Mining bitcoin is a serious business and when we say a serious business, it means that it needs a big capital to start the business and maintaining the business. That is why it is just proper to compensate miners well because without them, integrity of bitcoin transactions would be at stake.

Okay guys i sent a transaction with 25 sat/KB fee about 0.00005 BTC fee and it's stuck there for like 5 days ! i though it will only take 3 days (72hours) for your transaction to get rejected and the fund will go back to your wallet as you people said but that's not the case with my situation ! now what to do ? will the transaction remain stuck forever ? or it will get included in a block somewhere in the future ? and what can i do to speed things up a little bit ? (if there is something i can do)
btw im using blockchain.info

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One thing might be to use viabtc
https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/

Second might be to wait till the tx will be dropped.

And third maybe pray that luck will shine on your tx like it did in this case:
https://blockchain.info/en/tx/100a6ea3fa9b2595b224bbf51573161d4e8c99e32774253dbf81f2ff07ed3ffb

Sending bitcoin in the same wallet dont pay fees in my experience but i dont know in what kind of wallet you are using but in my experience the wallet im using dont have a fee when i send money in another wallet but we have the same wallet no need to pay for a fee and it has a fast transaction.

everytime when i try the viabtc accelerator it says "this transaction doesn't exit" ! any ideas why this is happening ?

I think in that scenario, it is not possible that there will be no miner fees in doing transactions because miners are being payed to process transactions. Transactions with highpayment of transaction fee seems to be the first priority because maybe it is an indication that the transaction is urgent and important. Your money won't be stuck there because as soon as they finished the first priorities. But if you can't no longer wait, you can pull out your transaction. But if you want to process your transaction as soon as possible, pay the right amountn or pay large fees.

To be honest, I have never experienced any difficulties with the payment of transactions by Shakhtar. The fact is that as the system issues numbers, So I send. On the one hand It's all small things, The main thing is that everything went well. Perhaps I do not yet have much understanding of this matter, but for today I have not yet encountered problems with the conduct of their transactions.

It doesn't just disappear. I think after a certain period, it returns back to your account

I have not experienced withdrawing bitcoin without a fee but I have several experiences of withdrawing with a very little fee - it took me 2  weeks sometimes before I see the bitcoin withdrawal confirmation but sometimes it just took a few days to a week. I would rather pay big than waiting for that long.

I don't think you can send bitcoins with zero miners fees. If you send with a few lower than what is recommended, it may not confirm or it will take a long time for confirmations.

The point of the miner's fees is to make it worth the miner's time to confirm the transactions. We need the miners so that the system won't collapse. We can't have Bitcoin without miners.

yes you can ! and i just id:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3321227f33b5b6924f05f95ff13b2a13633b8f811675cb63eda3a9998358b027

Well, the transaction will uncofirmed so long, maybe you need to wait until 1 month(?) and your transaction will canceled and get your coins back, cmiiw. I think it will get confirmed even you use very low fee, but you need to wait until 2weeks-1month.

Happened to me a year ago when I used outdated version of core wallet and it had fee hardcoded (?) and it was lower then needed. Transaction never got confirmed, newegg order got cancelled, BTC returned back to the account after a while.

That's hard to proccess but people used to use that "dirty tips" to scam everyone. Double spending is really bad and they solved them by requiring 1 transactions confirmation. I think it's a good idea.

If you send a transaction with a low fee, it may take forever to confirm but if you are not in any hurry that can be a way to save in fees, but to send a transaction with no fees will probably result in your transaction to never confirm and your funds will go back to your wallet, but you will have wasted too much time.

i sweeped some paper wallets and wasnt able to choose appropriate fee ,it took about a month until someone finally mined it

We can send our bitcoins to another account with the minor fees compared to the other transaction payment systems. That's why, business people are interested in investing bitcoins.

You could have boosted it with either Viabit tx accelerator or with a paid accelerating service

 

Accelerating a bitcoin TX with a credit card payment is the epitome of stupidity.  :D

Sending bitcoins without miner fee and low fee both are risky your good luck it will take a long time and confirm, but most of the times it takes a long time and finally disappear if you do not pay miner fee. I never experienced like this maybe in this situation our coins will back to our wallet. 

Probably because of the low fee?
They reject transactions without the minimum fee.



You can also include paying a larger fee for an acceleration service than a bit higher tx which would have confirmed in less than an 3 blocks to that.

Accelerations services make sense only when you're not the (cheap) bastard that sent the money, you're the receiver.

This is what we should do - pay more fees when we really wanted the money as soon as possible. This happened to me a year ago when I withdraw .6 bitcoin to use for a very important matter and I never realized that in electrum, the fee setup was too small - so I ended up waiting for it for more than 2 weeks more or less.

With the lower fees only, we can do transactions with the bitcoins. But, the amount of transaction fee is very less. Minimum fee is not important than secure and easy transactions without middileware.

For small transactions we might use, but if we send above 0.1 btc I suggest to use extra payment, I never felt when sending with small fee took more than 1 week.

The problem is that some of the miners refuse to include transactions which pay a low free in the blocks which they mine. This is especially true for the blocks mined by the mining pools such as BTCC Pool, BitFury, Bitcoin.com, and AntPool. These miners are actually acting against the spirit of Bitcoin, and their actions may be detrimental to the future of BTC.

For sending lower fees it took more days to confirm the transactions. Thats true, it is good to use additional fees to confirm fast the transactions. However, if sending bitcoin without fees will prohibit sending.

Why should someone do that to zero the fees.?Of course you use the service you pay the fees in order to process transactions. Its a mutual environment for both users and miners and their must be only two fee options in sending bitcoins either slow or fast. Why  zero fees then if its risky? 🤔

Hmm bitcoin is the best and being the great currency of the world so sending bitcoin with a miner fees is also a good change now it is being happen in many places that bitcoin fees has reduced to good extent. I have noticed that today with one of my transaction the miner fees was below than 0.0001 BTC.

Miners are also do heavy investment in building up and maintaining their mining facilities - and it is huge amount of investment really involves here. That is why, there is no reason why we want to have a zero transaction fee :)

Yeah I think as this fee is mandatory to all of us just to send bitcoin safely without double spending. Better pay high than your transaction got stuck you're like waiting for how many days if it will send or return it to you. Somehow risky if you trust your coin to some third parties.

And these pools seem to make up most of hashing power today

I've had a heated debate with some dude here recently who argued that this is normal, that this is Bitcoin, so to speak. As to me, it is not so much against the spirit of Bitcoin (though it is certainly against) as against the idea of money itself. Basically, miners via the monopolization of their power (conceptually given to them by the PoW concept) are destroying Bitcoin specifically as a currency, hampering or even preventing its use as a means of payment (which is what ultimately counts)

Which is why we must familiarize ourselves with our wallets before doing anything else, or we may end up doing silly mistakes, that almost happened to me once when I was about to send a transaction and then I noticed that my wallet was not in mBTC but in BTC so I was about to send a transaction 1000 times larger than what was needed, so I saved myself a lot of money and trouble by double and triple checking the details of the transaction.

why would I pay 10% or even 20% fees when I can use Paypal for much lower fees? More than that, I can use a debit card without any fee for online shopping and ATM withdrawals :)

BTC wasn't made to be a payment system. the fees will increase. they will not go down.

At the moment with a median transaction size of 226 bytes and a fee of 280 satoshi/byte the only way for your example to work and have a 20% fee is to send 253120 satoshis or 0.00253120 in BTC and in a transaction where you deal a larger amount of bitcoin the percentage will drop and that is with a good fee, you could send a lower fee of 40 satoshi/byte and get a confirmation in 5 hours at the moment.

That right, because It's better to have a normal transaction and got a smooth process  ;)

that is right if we want to have a good and fast transaction we should go with a little fee. and specially for transferring a big amount where we feel reluctant  while proceeding the procedure.

For me bitcoin is a total package and it can be used as a medium of transaction and can be used as an asset. The fees will go down and that is the reason we are having the scaling that is going to happen by August 1 and after that everything will be alright and the fees will go down for sure.

If the fees you include with your transactions are like 10-20% of the transaction value, it tells me that you are playing with pocket change. If you send 0.01 BTC value transactions, and you include a fee of 0.001 BTC, it may seem like a big fee, but you have to look at things from a different perspective too. The same 0.001 BTC fee that looks like a massive fee in the afore stated example, is complete peanuts when you transfer amounts of 1 BTC and up. But hey, if people think the fees are too steep, they are free to use whatever centralized service they want -- no one is forcing you guys to solely use Bitcoin.

If you had done it two weeks before,then you transaction might have stuck due to large number of transactions in queue and would have taken even ten days or more to get confirmed.But now,since every one know that segwit is to be activated,transaction fee has become very low and so you would not be facing any problems if you send bitcoins with very low transaction fee and so your transaction would get confirmed very soon.

That's right, so guys please don't even try to send bitcoin with very low fees. The transaction never happens and the amount turn back to your wallet if you're lucky.

Um, do it at your own risk because your transaction might get stuck for a very long time.

That depends on what you consider to be low fee, a fee of 20 satoshi/byte will give you a confirmation in about 10 hours if you are not in any hurry to get a confirmation and you are sending this to a friend then that is a good enough fee, in the other hand if you need a fast confirmation then that will be a awfully low fee.

I definitely definitely would not recommend sending bitcoin without paying the miner fee. If I need something to get somewhere fast I actually over pay the fee. I used to send using blockchain.info's default fee setting, and I have recently have had transactions get stuck without any confirmations for a whole week. If you are sending to place a sports bet, this obviously will not work.

there are only two possibilities, either it gets through or it doesnt.,
worst case scenario , you will get yours bitcoins back, idk when but either instant or eventually., else it gets processed, as in mined by miners.

We all know that we can't make transactions with zero fee but the public complaints are due to extreme miner fees. This is not fair.

I've been using bitcoin for more than 1.5 years and this high fees are stupid. If miners think they getting good money by stealing from us, they will face the problems soon.

I remembered reading someone tried sending his BTC without miner fees (the last time he tried was back in April) and that took 11 days total for the transaction to get through. Anybody more daring tried it more recently though? :P

Sending bitcoin without the miner fee is quite impossible because the process for the transaction and the one who process the transaction is paid for a price and their service is not free. Doing a transaction with a low transaction is possible yet it will take time before it can be able to process due to the reason that mostly miners take on priority with the transactions with high miner fee because it might be an indication that it is a really important transaction to do. But if you want a fast process, you may pay high miner fee rather than waiting for a long time but assure that you are transacting a great amount so that miner fee won't be larger than the transaction.

I have 2 instances where I mistakenly input my transaction fees in my electrum and it took some time 3 weeks to more than a month to get through. If you do not need the money that much, you can do some small transactions fee but I highly discourage that though because you are imprisoning your coins for weeks and can miss some valuable market trends.

Question here, can you set the fee in Electrum? I am currently using Mycelium and one online wallet. In Mycelium, it has preset fees for low-prio, normal, and high-prio and changes from time to time - you can't set your desired fee. I'm planning to use Electrum if the fees can be set by me, myself.

If miner fees were just an option, then everybody else wouldn't be using it. They have work to do to confirm our transactions and their machines are investments that cost thousands of dollars. Miner fees have been somewhat more acceptable in recent weeks compared to when there were congestion and the fees were seemingly unfairly high.

If you are not paying for miners fee,that transaction will not be processed
It seems to be a provision.

miners are investors and are also risking their money to engage in bitcoin mining industry. it is but just to have them rewarded with the mining fee and if there will be some regulation in the near future as to the maximum transaction fees, that would even be better.

If a transaction goes unconfirmed for too long, it will eventually disappear from the network. Most clients will remove it from their pool of unconfirmed transactions at some point. And yes, the money should return to your account.You need to remember about applying appropriate fee size to every transaction unless you want to get your money stuck.The only way to send BTC's without miners bounty is to do it through some website

is it possible to receive a shipment for free, this is also called '' want to earn money without any effort ''. it can not happen. such properties are the same as lazy. so every bitcoin delivery you have to wear the cost of miners that have been set by bitcoin. every transaction made in the bitcoin network has a transaction fee.