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I sent this guy 10btc and he did not answer me anymore after i sent it.

I do not know what information i can public disclose but i will post his address and tx number if some moderator says is ok to post.



Do not make any deals with this guy.

It's okay to post the proof / addresses / his personal info here.

Okay, my Portuguese understanding isn't great but, the first message says " I have relatives in Portugal that will transfer. this is not my native language. enviel-ihe references" I couldn't work out all of it.

Second one:

"accepted. I'm always buying week to week then when you are comfortable i'm ready".


Is that right? correct me where possible.
 

Este menino deitado não cresce cansado. Você é uma vergonha para a sua mãe. Publicar foto de sua conta bancária, e toda a PM conversa,não apenas seções.

Vergonhoso.

I contacted Oldsport about this thread and he responded in Portuguese:

"A verdade será revelada em breve." which translates to:  "Truth about ETs will be revealed soon, says scientist"

 ;D Scammers are like ETs. I thought you were fluent in Portuguese. Why did you PM me about this thread? Seems weird seeing as to how I replied to it before your PM... almost like you meant to do it from your main account fgkrew.

His above response through http://translate.google.com/ is:

This boy does not grow tired of lying. You're a disgrace to your mother. Post a picture of your bank account, and all the PM conversation, not just sections

It is not uncommon for people accused of being scammers to attack the messenger.  I have only one account.

Parabens!! Voce pode usar o web translator. O ponto?  ::)

It's uncommon for someone I have never interacted with to be so involved in something that has nothing to do with him. What is your interest in this case? How did you even find it. Do you just have fun in the scam accusations section?

As I said, it is not uncommon for the accused to lash out at the peanut gallery but you sir are the one on trial here, not me.  Defend yourself.

Deflection. Why don't you answer the questions? There is nothing for me to defend OPs accusations are false. He's also fallen silent. Can't be logged into two accounts at once I guess.

Looks to me like you me and the OP are all logged in and active right now so let's start at the top then...  
Did you receive 10 BTC from the OP?

He/she doesn't need to answer your questions.
Your questions are invalid.


You say that the OP is providing false accusations, but where is your evidence to back that up?

So he's only using part of the messages, so have you got pictures you can give of the other parts which might be of importance.
You can't just say the OP is wrong without backing it up.
At least the op as provided something to backup his story, even if it's not in full.


So please, instead of trying to pass on the buck, defend your self with some actual evidence.

 OP made an accusation it is up to the OP to fully prove it. I'm not entertaining this further.

If you have questions, ask the OP.

Agreed.  I asked you if you accepted 10 btc from the OP as the OP has stated.  Did you or did you not receive btc per the OP?  

Or perhaps you could just confirm you are the rightful owner of the address the OP pointed to which clearly has 10 btc in it and per the image the OP posted it would appear to be your address:  http://blockexplorer.com/q/getreceivedbyaddress/1MubLqdqefqia8YuY55G9MvGCSQCoQZzmC

Do you have ANY evidence to support an alternative theory or are you just willing to accept the accusation that you are a scammer?

After contacting Oldsport about this thread again he seems to have quickly logged off.  He clearly indicates from his post above that he and the OP did indeed have private conversations.

Yep, just have to wait until the OP comes online again.

the accused prefers to argue with me in pm declaring he is not a scammer.  I challenged him to prove himself here. 

he writes as if he is an American, in my humble opinion.  he is clearly fluent in americanized English.

nobody should lose any money to scammers, ever.  you appear to have lost more than 1000usd, that's serious money.  (for anyone who disagrees I'm happy to take 10 btc off your hands... if it is meaningless).

You spammed my inbox. Stop PM'ing is what I told you. I also called you a dumbass. I have NO interest in talking to you. That's what I'm trying to get at. I have nothing to prove to you, because you are a nobody.

The empty barrel makes the most noise. Viceroy is a busy body and I wouldn't be surprised if all this clacking is to distract from his own deeds.

He's a nobody huh? your attitude stinks, why aren't you defending yourself? the OP has posted yet another screenshot.

fwiw sending a single pm is not considered spam, even in the ultra conservative Virginia.  glad to see you posting here, rather than my inbox.  any defense yet?

How about sending us the addresses that the exchange occurred and we can piece who got what. This is getting stupid.

What was purchased?
what are the terms?
what are the addresses?

ENG:
The bank transfers in Portugal aren't instant if they are done from a different bank.

And the banks do not work during weekend.

PT:
As transferências bancárias feitas em Portugal entre bancos diferentes, não são instantâneas.

Os bancos não trabalham ao fim de semana.


O rapaz publicou as tuas respostas. Acho que também não gostavas de ter o teu NIB a descoberto.

Post your bitcoin address and the address you sent it to the amount was 10btc right?

There is the TX id on the picture OP shared.

and I confirmed it holds exactly 10.0 btc.

Received: Address    

    16zujPpREPs8UxHZDDPfc1gB4wW83XyMQ1
    14yGnsWBtxBobwdhUuugTQMuVWQSxRtrsG
    16zujPpREPs8UxHZDDPfc1gB4wW83XyMQ1
    16zujPpREPs8UxHZDDPfc1gB4wW83XyMQ1

   
f786957d13...    Block 235220 (2013-05-09 00:02:23)    10

4 transactions 3x3btc 1x1btc

Now how do we show he received money from his bank? lol

He will need to show us a screenshot from his relatives homebanking. It usually generates a proof.

Please remember that pending transactions can be cancelled in minutes and as I said if the transfer is done between different banks it may take up to 2-3 working days sometimes.

I was curious about Oldsport because I got a pm about a currency trade from him.  From what I can tell about posts he seems serious about btc, but it's hard to say, the account is only a few months old.  With this stuff going on I certainly don't feel comfortable buying possibly stolen coins. 
If he had responded more reasonably I might not feel that way.

Agreed. Scammer or not (based on this thread that still seems to be determined), I sure wouldn't want to do business with him. If someone leant me 10 BTC and wasn't sure if I was going to uphold my end of the deal I'd do everything possible to prove/reassure them I was...

oldsport Scammed me 280LTC also!! :/:/
only telling lies!
not much money but its a scam!

You need to prove the accusation, you can't just call someone a scammer and have it matter.  Please provide evidence the accused stole from you.

To be clear, I was just giving him a tip about expectations of forum members, not saying he should be labeled in any way.

I have a hard time believing this how can you prove that you ever sent any coins to oldsport.  How can you prove that that's oldsport's bitcoin address you sent the coins to and that you didn't just send yourself the coins?

There are many reports pointing out that Oldsport is a scammer.

Do not trade with him until this situation is clarified

So are you suggesting the PM's in the OP are fakes?

The accused admitted to dealing with the OP... read the thread from the start.

Yes, my pms are not fake and oldsport id definatly a scammer.

Why the hell would i spend my time accusing someone of he was legit?

You can check pm times and tx details.

Scammer tag would be appreciated until the situation is clarified, if that ever happens.

Yeah, it seems this has been forgotten about, where has never been clarified by the Oldsport, only answers which don't prove anything.

I'm affraid I have to add to this thread accusing "Oldsport" of being a scammer as he has scammed me out of 14 bitcoins (I know I was stupid!!).  I have all of the converstations that we had via PM if its needed.  Moral of the story use escrow or dont do the deal.


Don't deal with "Oldsport" till this is sorted out.

Damn dude.

wow you really send him 10 btc ?

So this guy Oldsport offered me to buy Avalon chips via pm:


But couldn't even say which order number they were from:


So that seemed fishy enough for me to quit. Guess I was right with that.

Congratulations Theymos you just got another guy ripped off by NOT tagging oldsport a scammer.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201257.0

I wonder when you become culpable.

weeks and weeks go by and nothing happens....

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224769.msg2411910#msg2411910

You need to go and file a report with the bitcoin police and then and only then will the forum act like a criminal court. After judgement has been passed, mandatory penalties are assessed and the funds are recovered. Its quite a painless process and considering that the forum staff have all been payed 6 figure salaries to clean up after people when they spill their milk, I would say the system is working.

Or, you could pay attention to the feedback, the cries in this section of the forum or actually use some common sense and theses things wont happen to you. But hey, crying on the internet that daddy wont help you is just as good.

You have so many accounts viceroy/buyer/ etc etc. Stop making accounts.

As I just posted in the only thread I've ever started about oldsport I don't use alts to make shit up.  I have never dealt with oldsport in any fashion and I am only here to help police the community and keep trash like oldsport in the garbage where he belongs.  Oldsport remains a piece of shit scammer, (from everything I've read) by the MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY individuals who have accused him of the same.  Even a mod can verify that my IP is not the same as any of the others who are trying to rid the forums of this trash.  It is gauling that he has never been held to account in this single thread alone.  

Fuck off and die you piece of trash.  At least your buddy crumb got banned.  I'm still shocked that the night you spend participating in the bullshit spam fest that you were not perma-banned too or at least tagged as the scammer you are.

To be fair, I cruise the accusations section for fun.

Stop making accounts, stop posting nonsense. Your holier than thou attitude is not fooling anyone. The only scammer here is you. Every single person that claims I scammed them recently signed up and has little to no trade history. You appear in each of their threads shortly after their posted and comment using your multitude of throwaways. I'm so sick and tired of you. "Fuck off and die" Right, take your own advice bud. I wouldn't be surprised if you edit or delete that now I've called you out. That is your style.

Instead of attacking me, why don't you address the OP you piece of shit KNOWN scammer.

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It appears I've been struck with a strange case of Deja poop.  Ah yes, Watson,  I have seen this crap before!

Those stupid smilies are a trade mark of Viceroy and his alts. And look! Yet again, another low post count member who seems to know so much about me. Registered June 02, as well.

There's is nothing to address Viceroy & minions, because it's all BS.

EVEN BETTER, THE ABOVE USER BUYS ACCOUNTS! I GUESS THAT'S HOW VICEROY HAS ALL THESE ACCOUNTS THAT MAGICALLY SKIP NEWBIE JAIL.

ELEMENTARY!

Ive done successful  trades with oldsport, and he seems a very trustworthy guy. That is all I have to say on this matter. I do not know anything about this case, and the accusations as the OP and OS were the only ones involved. Just wanted to put that out there, Ive done several transactions with Oldsport, and he has always been honest, and courteous.

That's all nice and good but don't you think that Oldsport, who's first language is obvious English, should answer for the apparent crime he committed?  He is accused of stealing and he refuses to say anything at all in his defense for any of the crimes people have accused him of.

How much did he steal?

According to this op alon he stole 10btc.  There are many such unresolved accusations against Oldsport.

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Thank God for you.

I suppose you'll be on your other accounts. You also have quite the temper, just like Viceroy.

Oldsport remains a scammer.

Yet, no ones has given him/her a bad trust rating. To the people who got scammed, please do a trust feedback. It will decrease the chance of future scams. Some people don't use the search function.

I guess Viceroy got lazy.  ::)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't viceroy well known for having multi "smear" accounts?

Once I outted the his above account (BTCTalkAccounts) this little feller crawled out:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238432.new#new

At least he knows his name!

It sucks that people out there are totally cool with scamming/duping others.

Gaining one's money through their stupidity (i.e consumerism) is one thing, but stealing just makes my butt rustle in anger.

Happy to correct you.  You are wrong.  Viceroy is only known around here as an outer of scammers. 

Fantastic then maybe you can ask oldsport to address the ops accusation that oldsport stole.  like a typical scammer oldsport wastes his time trying to imply I have scammed someone instead of answer the ops accusation.  Read this op from the beginning, it should be clear to anyone with a rudimentary handle on English that oldsport is a scammer.

How does one handle baseless claims? What is there to argue? It's simply untrue. Viceroy, I honestly think you must be 12 years old. Come back when you're at least 18 and leave your minions behind. Maybe then you'll be respected.

so you are stating that the op is lying?

By providing FACTS. You have provided no evidence in your defence, you are just attacking people who want to the bottom of this.

You just offered to sell me BTC. How do you expect me to deal with you after seeing your attitude? ???

Read the rest of the bloody quote:
FACT: It is simply untrue.

FACT: I've never scammed a soul in my life.

FACT: Viceroy has multiple alts.

FACT: Viceroy uses these various accounts to slander me while trying to look as if they are all not the same entity.

FACT: I'm done bumping this idiotic thread.

Those are not relevant facts. I meant facts about the actual trade. You have provided no evidence to defend yourself from these "baseless" accusations.

If they were baseless you could squash them in seconds by simply providing evidence that you paid the buyer money for his BTC.

You either 1) haven't received the bitcoins from the buyer, or 2) paid him the agreed sum in fiat. That's what your arguments should be. Which is it then? :)

OK you want facts

FACT : I advertised to sell 14 bit coins and you responded and then proceeded to scam me.

Oh and here is the proof

http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t632/tmarzella/oldsport_zpsf1540f36.png

http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t632/tmarzella/oldsport1_zps2e88a37c.png

http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t632/tmarzella/oldsport2_zps85876161.png

http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t632/tmarzella/oldsport3_zps30ee79d1.png

http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t632/tmarzella/oldsport4_zps318b2a5a.png

http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t632/tmarzella/oldsport5_zps1eebe0e6.png

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wtf does it take to actually get a scammer tag?  This is embarrassing.

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There seems to be multiple members claiming to have been scammed by oldsport.. This is too bad. I personally had a smooth transaction with him, though I was very uncomfortable about it since I dont believe it was in escrow..
Also noticed he doesnt even try to correct or argue the claims against him. Ive never been called a scammer, and I find it odd that multiple members are making these claims against him. Seems to be something up.. Best of luck to you on getting this sorted out. chances are good it will never be made right, and can only hope youve all learned from this experience.

So this is an unresolved scammer post calling oldsport a scammer, yea?  Why is this not tagged Theymos?

There's just way too many claims that Oldsport scammed them, and he did strike me as a little shady when he first started posting.

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Oh no, you've been phased out.  I'm sure you'll not land any suckers in the currency thread today you piece of shit.