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Mark,

Either your a scam artist or its a total miscommunication. I leaning towards the latter.

If your interested in explaining your side to the Americans, I would be happy to interview you off record and avoid the miscommunications due to language and culture.

However, if FBI is involved... bad move. im out.

Just call me anytime, I believe you have my number from my emails.

J

bump. he never did call me again.

And who are you? Why would he want to personally call you, when everyone and their mom also wants to speak with this guy.

He has bankruptcy protection.  He has no legal obligation to say anything right now.  His primary concern is not tiding people over with an explanation.  No matter what he says, if he doesn't have the Bitcoins, it really doesn't make a big difference. 

Right now he's scrambling to try and protect himself from massive criminal charges which are going to be coming at him from every single angle.  The dude is fucked.  He lost $500 Million of customer funds.  There's no way that he didn't break some serious laws losing/stealing/disappearing that much money.

Mark Karpeles is worrying about Mark Karpeles.  The last person the dude gives a shit about right now is some guy holding 1.4 BTC on Gox.

look at the date

Woooo oldie!!!!
Same Keeples?

jaybny is the messiah...what was that about anyway? fbi?

I'm starting think that June 19 2011 was the day MagicalTux turned into Madoff. There was a big hack that pushed the price from 17 to .01. Lots of drama on the forum. Mark was all over the place, some wanted to bring in the FBI. do a search for 995 days ago..

http://www.dailytech.com/Inside+the+MegaHack+of+Bitcoin+the+Full+Story/article21942.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrikj7fy4MU
 

So the important question, did you still have money on gox?  ;)

I'm sorry to say this, but in reality he has no protection at all. Legal protection is a joke. If someone with the right connections or enough power wants to get to him, be it a government organization or a criminal organization they will. No protection on earth can protect him, and he should be very very afraid. But I don't think he's much afraid, as he seems completely disconnected from everything, he just does not function like a normal individual.

I don't have information one way or another that pertains to Mark, but you don't need to do much googling before you find countless cases about people getting into 'accidents' whose crime is to go against the wrong people or sticking their nose into something they didn't want to stick it into.

So any legal protection only goes as far as its respected by people overall. Legality is set aside every day. Mark not speaking about the situation only makes everything worse from the standpoint of the community.

I think most people put far too much trust into 'lawyers', 'police', 'judges' and the 'legal system'. These people are corrupted and compromized every day of the week around the globe, and if you can pay enough - you will have the best lawyers.

If Mark wanted to, he could sit down with someone independent, and everything could be mapped together, and presented to the community. But he never will - there's no interest in him for cleaning up his act, because he's a selfish bastard that do not care two cents about anyone else.

You can bet your life on the fact that he's stashed away enough btc for a lifetime to come though. Some people say that he can't run. He could if he wanted to. Some people point to the fact that he has a wife and a daughter. They don't realize that some men would drop their family in a heartbeat if that meant they could not have 500 million dollars in hand.

So what do you mean... what happened in 2011? Were these 400k bitcoins already gone?
There was no such big transaction on the blockchain, af far as i remember.

I have noticed there are quite a few people making veiled threats against the CEO in terms of 'some people might not be so reasonable' and 'some people believe the justice system won't save you', so just 'talk to us'.  They apologize of course and take the CEO's side in that they're just trying to help, allegedly. 

Not sure what you're really implying here. And I have no interest in causing harm to Mark, but I'm just pointing at reality. Imagine some russian mobster has 30 million dollars locked up, do you think that this person would sit quiet and watch his money disappear?

You know there's a reason that certain people were able to exit with their money during the Cyprus crisis, right? I'm pointing to the fact that the english branch let certain individuals withdraw their balances in advance before the collapse.

The reality is that no matter what you've done, if you've fucked with the wrong people, you're in deep trouble.  And it's been proven without doubt that the current legal system in the modern world is not fair. There are countless cases were this can easily be pointed out.

I would be scared shitless if I scammed people out of million of dollars. I would not even be able to sleep at night. And I would never have peace no matter where I went in hiding. There would always be the thought in the back of my mind: What if anyone found me?

And that's why I never put myself in that position. I could never enrich myself by outright scamming other people.

nope. :) transfered to bitstamp in december.

Dear jaybny,
There has been a withdrawal from your Mt.Gox account:
Transaction reference: d2e0f422-6d94-448c-8d55-e96270bb651e
Date: 2013-12-23 14:30:33 GMT

15 BTC.  Nice Move.

The first link in the other post you made is kind of funny in a Captain Hindsight way. Check the first comment:

"OK the genius who hacked Mt.Gox hoped to accomplish what by stealing the bitcoins? Did they have a buyer lined up to pay them $15-$30 for a virtual currency that has yet to establish an intrinsic value for itself?

Or was their plan to take the bitcoins and sit on them until another exchange pops up and then dump them all - again, lowering the value of the BTC on the particular exchange they dump them on.

The exchange market is what gave the BTC value, and the value was based on what people were willing to buy and sell the coins for. Either way it plays out for them, they're not likely to make as much as they expected to from their little heist."

So 500,000 + 750,000 + 250,000 (adding this off the top of my head for what has been taken from dead accounts and unverified accounts)

Grand total of 1,500,000 missing from Karpeles' exchange out of a total of 12,500,000 mined coins (shoot me on the 250k I added)

Today's price equals $975,000,000 worth scammed from that exchange (not including the cash stolen)

where did you find the transaction?

I guess from leaked btc transfer file.

fucking zlol! bcb that was hilarious!

Dude, You published your transaction number.  Your transaction number correlates with your user ID in the gox data dump.  With your user Id we can trace all of your transactions.  I'm currently correlating the transactions from the dump with transactions in the blockchain. Soon I'll even have your bitcoin addresses. Hope you didn't spend any btc on titsforbitcoin.com or porn.com.  (Don't worry, I won't tell!).

@bcb: are you sure it is possible to link to the userID from the codes in the btc_xfer file? it seemed to me there could only be made a connection between userID and trades but not to withdrawals.

not sure. Still digging through the (very dirty) and incomplete data.

As far as I know the Transaction ID links to the User ID in the btc_xfer file.  That you can use that ID to look up all that transactions in the individual trades files. 

I have my complete transaction history going back a few year.  I'm going to check accuracy against that first.  I'll have a better idea of validity, accuracy and the timing of transaction hitting the blockchain.

What are you looking for?  If you want you can pm me. and I'll try to look it up for you.

Okay, thanks for the info ---- how much was stolen in the first attack?

The 500k was from the link (I did not use BTC back then). 750k is from Karpeles. The 250k was pulled from my ass, but I have a feeling that it won't be far wrong. We'll see if the database ever appears, and whether people start asking why their details are missing. Then there are the accounts that were dead (bitcoins in them but no activity for a long time). I don't believe Karpeles would have left them alone (assuming he is the thief).

I always did wonder what happens to a dead accounts coins if its left on an online exchanges storage
Know cavirtex says were not cold storage we charge fees after a year
But I don't think Karpeles had such a policy in place just played around with them until people started coming back online when the price was rising significantly

Either way more speculations

for a start: where did the 750k go blockchain wise. Maybe we should put up a bounty...

No clue.  There are three months of data missing.  Also plenty of people trying to trace the blockchain with no luck.

To be honest, I think the FED's are in control of his fiat and his private keys (or cold storage). It's going to be a while before the lawyers and courts get to the bottom of it.

(see the trendon shavers case).

It's funny. Bitcoins move at blazing speeds and cannot be frozen. A legal case might last for years and years.

It's kind of like having a snail chasing after a race horse. Even the best of intentions cannot possibly help the snail.

About inactive accounts: Gox staes in their TOS thataccounts dormant for more than 6 months, can be taken down. It doesn't say that the balance belongs to them afterwards.

that term is probably for not getting accused for running a bank, i.e. a financial institution.

I had a non traded account from April 2013 to February 2014, only logged in 2-3 times in that period. Every thing working and not a cent missing.

go ahead, dox me! I think we may have done some transactions between us, BCB,  back in the #bitcoin-otc days

Ah that makes sense thanks for pointing that out.

Still it does pose a bit of a question if they did take down an account it most likely had no balance since that would irritate people who used the exchange and left it for a while.

Good to hear though that it didn't move the balance but makes me wonder on the backing of that balance in a persons account if they don't sign in
Not attributed to a personal wallet on the site vs a cold storage wallet

I don't think there were any internal correlation between customer accounts and wallets cold or hot.

From what I understand their accounting was  (money+BTC)in - (money+BTC)out= a pile of  money+BTC that overall ought to match the amounts on customers accounts.

One thing not really discussed or known is that when Coinlab briefly joined Gox and was given control over US customers, some of these customers might have been non Americans, and only presumed so because of an unverified USD account. So there is also a possibility that some of the missing funds are wrongfully frozen under the Coinlab lawsuit, and therefore unaccounted for in the current Gox bookkeeping?

The merit for that theory comes from the fact that Coinlab publicly blamed Gox for not handing over the number of US customers they were promised, probably because Gox didn't have the number of US customers they thought. The then wrongfully handed over accounts got tied up in the lawsuit, in the US because of that.

What you say makes sense. If you manage a 100 million dollar business, and your private fortune is 5 million, why on earth would you wreck your business and make lots of people get pissed at you, when you could've just kept doing what you do and increasing your wealth.

That's the logical and sensible thing to assume, however at this point it can be proven without reasonable doubt that Mark Karpeles is in no regard a 'normal man'. He does not function like a normal human being, his lack of logic is appalling, his social skills are nearly non-existent, his consistency is that of a pathological liar. There are tales about his lack of morality (previous crimes) and his lack of regard for other people. He might have aspergers, he might be autistic, but all of that is completely irrelevant as what matters is that he failed as a business man, all personal issues aside - the end result is that millions were lost, and it's not communicated at all the truth about what happens.

I would not even trust Mark Karpeles to hold a coffe cup. Honestly, I'm not even sure if he grasps the severity of the current situation on a logical and intelligent level. Him being a man with a 190 IQ as some articles would have it? Well, he beying above Einstein and Kasparov? Fat chance.. This is a person that is exploiting other humans with no regard or respect for them whatsoever.

I sincerely hope he gets locked up for a long time to come. Then he can ponder on how 'unlucky' he was and how 'unfair' everything is, and how it was never 'his fault'.

Please don't use any kind of logical or common sense reasoning when trying to explain what he does. The mere fact that he was more concerned about hacking a chash register to accept bitcoins and making a bitcoin cafe, while everything crumbled around him, speaks mountain about him being nothing but a lazy selfish irresponsible man-child.