MagicalTux - let me translate

[phelix]

@bcb: are you sure it is possible to link to the userID from the codes in the btc_xfer file? it seemed to me there could only be made a connection between userID and trades but not to withdrawals.

[BCB]

@bcb: are you sure it is possible to link to the userID from the codes in the btc_xfer file? it seemed to me there could only be made a connection between userID and trades but not to withdrawals.

not sure. Still digging through the (very dirty) and incomplete data.

As far as I know the Transaction ID links to the User ID in the btc_xfer file.  That you can use that ID to look up all that transactions in the individual trades files. 

I have my complete transaction history going back a few year.  I'm going to check accuracy against that first.  I'll have a better idea of validity, accuracy and the timing of transaction hitting the blockchain.

What are you looking for?  If you want you can pm me. and I'll try to look it up for you.

[rikkejohn]

So 500,000 + 750,000 + 250,000 (adding this off the top of my head for what has been taken from dead accounts and unverified accounts)

wow! you're really pulling some numbers out of 'nowhere'

in the 2011 hack not many coins were actually stolen. exchange was halted, db rolled back and only a minor fraction of coins bought at 0.01 was transferred out of the exchange. all buy/sell orders after the 'hack' were nullified. iirc only one guy is known to pull a 4 digit bitcoin sum out of the exchange. remember the exchange is trading bitcoin tokens for goxbucks and blockchain is only involved with deposits and withdrawals. there was always a daily withdraw limit.

Okay, thanks for the info ---- how much was stolen in the first attack?

The 500k was from the link (I did not use BTC back then). 750k is from Karpeles. The 250k was pulled from my ass, but I have a feeling that it won't be far wrong. We'll see if the database ever appears, and whether people start asking why their details are missing. Then there are the accounts that were dead (bitcoins in them but no activity for a long time). I don't believe Karpeles would have left them alone (assuming he is the thief).

[freedomno1]

I always did wonder what happens to a dead accounts coins if its left on an online exchanges storage
Know cavirtex says were not cold storage we charge fees after a year
But I don't think Karpeles had such a policy in place just played around with them until people started coming back online when the price was rising significantly

Either way more speculations

[phelix]

@bcb: are you sure it is possible to link to the userID from the codes in the btc_xfer file? it seemed to me there could only be made a connection between userID and trades but not to withdrawals.

not sure. Still digging through the (very dirty) and incomplete data.

As far as I know the Transaction ID links to the User ID in the btc_xfer file.  That you can use that ID to look up all that transactions in the individual trades files. 

I have my complete transaction history going back a few year.  I'm going to check accuracy against that first.  I'll have a better idea of validity, accuracy and the timing of transaction hitting the blockchain.

What are you looking for?  If you want you can pm me. and I'll try to look it up for you.

for a start: where did the 750k go blockchain wise. Maybe we should put up a bounty...

[BCB]

@bcb: are you sure it is possible to link to the userID from the codes in the btc_xfer file? it seemed to me there could only be made a connection between userID and trades but not to withdrawals.

not sure. Still digging through the (very dirty) and incomplete data.

As far as I know the Transaction ID links to the User ID in the btc_xfer file.  That you can use that ID to look up all that transactions in the individual trades files. 

I have my complete transaction history going back a few year.  I'm going to check accuracy against that first.  I'll have a better idea of validity, accuracy and the timing of transaction hitting the blockchain.

What are you looking for?  If you want you can pm me. and I'll try to look it up for you.

for a start: where did the 750k go blockchain wise. Maybe we should put up a bounty...

No clue.  There are three months of data missing.  Also plenty of people trying to trace the blockchain with no luck.

To be honest, I think the FED's are in control of his fiat and his private keys (or cold storage). It's going to be a while before the lawyers and courts get to the bottom of it.

(see the trendon shavers case).

[TheFootMan]

To be honest, I think the FED's are in control of his fiat and his private keys (or cold storage). It's going to be a while before the lawyers and courts get to the bottom of it.

It's funny. Bitcoins move at blazing speeds and cannot be frozen. A legal case might last for years and years.

It's kind of like having a snail chasing after a race horse. Even the best of intentions cannot possibly help the snail.

[Luno]

About inactive accounts: Gox staes in their TOS thataccounts dormant for more than 6 months, can be taken down. It doesn't say that the balance belongs to them afterwards.

that term is probably for not getting accused for running a bank, i.e. a financial institution.

I had a non traded account from April 2013 to February 2014, only logged in 2-3 times in that period. Every thing working and not a cent missing.

[jaybny]

So the important question, did you still have money on gox? 

nope. transfered to bitstamp in december.

Dear jaybny,
There has been a withdrawal from your Mt.Gox account:
Transaction reference: d2e0f422-6d94-448c-8d55-e96270bb651e
Date: 2013-12-23 14:30:33 GMT

15 BTC.  Nice Move.

where did you find the transaction?

I guess from leaked btc transfer file.

fucking zlol! bcb that was hilarious!

Dude, You published your transaction number.  Your transaction number correlates with your user ID in the gox data dump.  With your user Id we can trace all of your transactions.  I'm currently correlating the transactions from the dump with transactions in the blockchain. Soon I'll even have your bitcoin addresses. Hope you didn't spend any btc on titsforbitcoin.com or porn.com.  (Don't worry, I won't tell!).

go ahead, dox me! I think we may have done some transactions between us, BCB,  back in the #bitcoin-otc days

[freedomno1]

About inactive accounts: Gox staes in their TOS thataccounts dormant for more than 6 months, can be taken down. It doesn't say that the balance belongs to them afterwards.

that term is probably for not getting accused for running a bank, i.e. a financial institution.

I had a non traded account from April 2013 to February 2014, only logged in 2-3 times in that period. Every thing working and not a cent missing.

Ah that makes sense thanks for pointing that out.

Still it does pose a bit of a question if they did take down an account it most likely had no balance since that would irritate people who used the exchange and left it for a while.

Good to hear though that it didn't move the balance but makes me wonder on the backing of that balance in a persons account if they don't sign in
Not attributed to a personal wallet on the site vs a cold storage wallet

[Luno]

About inactive accounts: Gox staes in their TOS thataccounts dormant for more than 6 months, can be taken down. It doesn't say that the balance belongs to them afterwards.

that term is probably for not getting accused for running a bank, i.e. a financial institution.

I had a non traded account from April 2013 to February 2014, only logged in 2-3 times in that period. Every thing working and not a cent missing.

Ah that makes sense thanks for pointing that out.

Still it does pose a bit of a question if they did take down an account it most likely had no balance since that would irritate people who used the exchange and left it for a while.

Good to hear though that it didn't move the balance but makes me wonder on the backing of that balance in a persons account if they don't sign in
Not attributed to a personal wallet on the site vs a cold storage wallet

I don't think there were any internal correlation between customer accounts and wallets cold or hot.

From what I understand their accounting was  (money+BTC)in - (money+BTC)out= a pile of  money+BTC that overall ought to match the amounts on customers accounts.

One thing not really discussed or known is that when Coinlab briefly joined Gox and was given control over US customers, some of these customers might have been non Americans, and only presumed so because of an unverified USD account. So there is also a possibility that some of the missing funds are wrongfully frozen under the Coinlab lawsuit, and therefore unaccounted for in the current Gox bookkeeping?

The merit for that theory comes from the fact that Coinlab publicly blamed Gox for not handing over the number of US customers they were promised, probably because Gox didn't have the number of US customers they thought. The then wrongfully handed over accounts got tied up in the lawsuit, in the US because of that.

[TheFootMan]

i'm not sure mkarpeles stole anything. he was raking in huge fees why to kill a good business? pity he's not publishing a lot more info, that could be used for fund tracking.

What you say makes sense. If you manage a 100 million dollar business, and your private fortune is 5 million, why on earth would you wreck your business and make lots of people get pissed at you, when you could've just kept doing what you do and increasing your wealth.

That's the logical and sensible thing to assume, however at this point it can be proven without reasonable doubt that Mark Karpeles is in no regard a 'normal man'. He does not function like a normal human being, his lack of logic is appalling, his social skills are nearly non-existent, his consistency is that of a pathological liar. There are tales about his lack of morality (previous crimes) and his lack of regard for other people. He might have aspergers, he might be autistic, but all of that is completely irrelevant as what matters is that he failed as a business man, all personal issues aside - the end result is that millions were lost, and it's not communicated at all the truth about what happens.

I would not even trust Mark Karpeles to hold a coffe cup. Honestly, I'm not even sure if he grasps the severity of the current situation on a logical and intelligent level. Him being a man with a 190 IQ as some articles would have it? Well, he beying above Einstein and Kasparov? Fat chance.. This is a person that is exploiting other humans with no regard or respect for them whatsoever.

I sincerely hope he gets locked up for a long time to come. Then he can ponder on how 'unlucky' he was and how 'unfair' everything is, and how it was never 'his fault'.

Please don't use any kind of logical or common sense reasoning when trying to explain what he does. The mere fact that he was more concerned about hacking a chash register to accept bitcoins and making a bitcoin cafe, while everything crumbled around him, speaks mountain about him being nothing but a lazy selfish irresponsible man-child.