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With the Announcement from Inno for the A5 Dashminer I may be interested in helping to coordinate a group buy here on the forum. I don't yet know if Inno will be interested, but I have helped organize a group buy here for the A4. So we have some history doing this.

So I am tossing this out to the community to see how much interest there woul be in a group buy. We are short on details at this time and Inno may not be price competitive with Bitmain. But I will be glad to pass along anything I can and see if a group buy is possible.

So post here, let us know how many units you might be interested buying and your location. We would likely need a trusted person in your part of the world to take delivery and forward miners unless you want to buy in a larger quantities. Then it may be possible to direct ship.

I am in the US so I can help facilitate US orders if the group buy turns out to be possible.

Historically, Innosillicon massively inflates their expected hashrate and delivers significantly less if you remember the A4 scenario, they initially promised a much higher hashrate than they eventually delivered.

However, if they really deliver 30GH @ 750w, I would be interested in 1.

Me too with same conditions  ???

pm sent

Interested for 2

Interested in 1, shipping to US

interested in a few for sure, but its really depend the final specification / price / promised delivery date

I am in Canada. And interested in 5-10 depend upon the price to be fair.

new p2pool dashcoin algoritm X11 stratum+tcp://95.59.72.81:7903

I am new here and Looking for a miner soon and by the sound of 30GH this looks too good.
Count me in for 1. I am from India.

interested in 1 - 3. depend on the price. shipment to poland.

fortunately, I read today about D3 and A5. I was very close to transfering BTC for DM11G.

I know this is just to guage interest but its safe to say if there were a group buy for these if its real you will be able to fill your order.  Without price/timing/developed specs its tough to say.  If inno is spitting these out in sep or october at a decent rate im down for 1 or 2 but will watch to see how this progresses.

Depending on the price I may be interested in one or two.

I'm interested in 1 and I am based in US.

For those who have been around a little while we are familiar with Inno and how these announcements work. Previously on the A4 we were really early in the miner development when they started taking orders and the were 6 months out from having anything to ship.  The initial miner specs were very impressive. Then they started revising them down, and down some more. Many people paid for miners that were supposed to hash at almost double the rate they actually hashed at. So please keep this in mind.  I wouldn't want anyone caught off guard as we have seen this before.

Since they are hinting at a Sept/October time frame that would lead me to think they are further along in the development this time and that the specs may be close to actual numbers. However never count chickens before they are hatched.

So Inno has disappointed in hardware specs in the past, but the hardware once updated with the latest firmware has been solid.

As this post is a feeler for who might be interested we really do need a lot more detail before we can get excited. I like to see we have a lot of initial interest. The larger the volume an order we can place the better our odds of Inno helping us with a group buy.

Thanks everyone for your support and interest. Hopefully we will get some info soon from Inno.

I have exchanged pm's  with op.

And will quote them:

I sent this to him:



he replied :



we are in beginning stages at this moment.

After having coinbase freeze wallets on me for a few days and other weird happenings with other wallets and exchanges the last month  We will not be collecting any coins until August say 5 to even 9th.

Anyone that has played the preorder game knows caution is a must.  I go with the ½ a loaf method more than the all in move.


Longsnowsm will be back from vacation soon and post more info..  Just keep an eye on the thread.

I would also like to buy 1 (one) with same condifions and if I'll get the miner this year (2017) with an acceptable price.

I guess we need to compare what is already available on the market:
current best offer:
Bitmain 15GH/s ~3000 USD inc. power supply.


Additonal info that is mandatory for the import into the EU.
Does the miner  has the CE-Marking ??? Without it's prohibited to be imported and will be destroyed at the duty.

Can you provide us a link where did you found that hashrate and watts.
Thanks

Im in for upwards of 10-20

Interested in 1
Shipment in Italy
If 30.2 Gh/s 750 W confirmed.
Reasonable waiting times ( approx end 2017......)
Reasonable price.
CE-Marking present.

interested in one. Needs to be shipped to Europe. A group buy would be great. Thanks for doing this

Interested, please keep me posted. Thanks.

http://www.innosilicon.com.cn/html/news/21.html

Google Translation:

Just a heads up about something that was brought to my attention. There is an investment group of individuals here on the forum that have in the past raised the funds to buy the minimum quantity required by the miner manufacturers. They then mark the miners up substantially and market here on the forum as group buys. Search for past sales of ibelink here on the forum.

They have become resellers and not really a "group buy" in a traditional sense. This would be no different than going to a reseller like Eastshore or buying one on Aliexpress. You are going to pay to get it.

So with that knowledge that this investment group is about to secure the A5's from Inno I don't know if we should press for a direct group buy.  I don't charge you guys anything to organize these things so everything is passed straight onto you.  Other than shipping, escrow fees, and customs/duties/taxes of the place you live the price offered by Inno is what is passed along to you.

If Inno will let us do a smaller volume than the 100 MOQ that I hear they are asking for then we could probably still push forward with a group buy effort. If they require a 100 unit order then we may not be able to make it happen. Then your option is to buy from resellers or Wait unit Inno starts selling direct. In the past that was not long after they shipped their first batches to the preorders.  So there was not a huge advantage to be in that preorder group. It bought us maybe 30 to 45 days.

So keep the feedback coming. I will press for any details I can get from Inno and let you guys decide what you would like to do. Just wanted to make you aware that some Inno A5 threads will be popping up  from this reseller group offering to sell miners from the first batch they can secure. If you guys want to go that route speak up in this thread. This is our community so make your voice heard. Our challenge may be the MOQ from Inno.

aprox. 20 units, of course depends on price.
And shipping directly from China to EU (not through the USA)
But I contacted Innosilicon too...

Depending on price and realized hash I'd be in for 2.

I would be interested in one.

I am in the US.

Keep me updated and thank you!!

Atleast as a group buy we can for sure reach 100 MOQ. we already have good numbers. I am in for 10 but if the group buy will be short 10-15. I will step up for 10 more and i am pretty sure that some of us will also step up.

I would be in for 2-3

 That ONLY happened on the A4, they didn't pre-announce the A1 or A2 at all.

 A3 is a question mark, they pre-announced they were working on it but never ended up bringing it to market.


 Given their record on the A4 though, I'd be a bit skeptical and would insist on guarentees in writing of performance WITH PENALTIES FOR FAILING TO MEET SAID PERFORMANCE before I preordered any A5 units.

Hi

I'm interested in 1 unit (shipment in Spain, mandatory to have CE-Marking present)
Reasonable waiting times (befores 2017 ends) and reasonable price.

Thanks for organizing it

I'm interested in 1, but what is an eta?

I have 3x A4's and very happy with them.

Put me down for 3x A5's.

There is none i think op is just checking interest.  Could be wrong but i think inno just announced they were working on it but no dates

I'd take 2. PM sent also.

I would take 6 if specs are true. I'm in US.

2-3 and open to more depending on price.

Scammer Alert!

Just received a pm from " Lonqsnowsm" asking to send 2.5 btc for groupbuy.
Notice it is Lon(q)snowsm and not Longsnowsm

https://imgur.com/a/f5UBa


so watchout before anyone falls for this stupid Imposter.

Id be infor 3 or so

i would buy direct from inno

I'm interested in 2 please. Subject to the final specs and price. Thanks

I also received a scam PM from Lonqsnowsm: - Notice the Q instead of G


________________________________________
Hi David2201,

Thank you for expressing interest in my Innosillicon A5 Dashminer group buy:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2034549.0

I have now secured a batch 1 order of 20 units.

Spec = 30.2 GH @ 750W
CE marked
Shipped by end Aug

Current price per unit = 2.5BTC inc. worldwide express shipping.

All units are on a first come first served basis
____________________________________________

Newbie account scammer. No feedback. Above


As to legit LONGSNOWSM I just did a

Pm sent for some as well.

If my word is good I forwarded some of his A4 group buy units as escrow on last
Go around.

1 maybe 2 for me depending on price/ ship date

Would be intrested in at least one- depending on price.

But they have to accept cryptos, not going to wire pay them :)

i'm also interested in 1-3 units depending on te price n specs.
I live in Norway.

Also interested by 1 or 2.

I would like to buy 4 pcs to Austria / Europe

Anyone get just ONE...or are they holding to the 100 units only?

edit: also maybe the group buy here can get a better price?

I am interested on 1 unit if it has the CE mark as I am from the UK.

Antminer D3+ possible  ??? ???

I'm also interested in 1 or 2 units depending on price and shipping date. Thanks.

I`m also from Austria / Europe and would like to buy 1 pcs.

I'm interested to see what the price will be at this point. I have a feeling its going to be astronomical...

I would like to join for 1-3 depending on delivery time, specs, price, and CE approval. Possibly more if the offer is good compared to the D3. Shipment to EU (Netherlands).

yeah....but hell ...they are 'pre-orders' for all these guys bitmain,innsolicon, etc

thus a pre-order on a 30.2g difficulty rise machine MAY make sense ....even if late..but yeah..with bitmain putting them

out likely as toasters...they could price these innsolicon units so they are so high priced they'd never leave China...and be

big x11 data hall 'Queens'

after re-thinking above .that is pretty damn likely or why no price...hmmmmmm

Do they always do the orders by email only?

Did anyone hear back from them? I want 2-3 depending on price.

They want offers I bet they prob wont respond if u dont have a bid theyll honor , big money and big orders first wont leave much for the small guy.

I didn't get a reply overnight from Inno. I am sure they are slammed with email and requests. I will try a couple other email addresses I have to see what happens.

If you get any PM's from me assume it is a scam at this point . We are still running down leads and details. As pointed out notice the spelling of the name sending you the PM. Too many scammers here so be careful.

The replies to this thread are to gauge interest and should not be viewed as a list. Once we have details and it appears that Inno will work with us then we will start to make lists and figuring out how the order process will work.

We will need trusted members of this forum who live in other parts of the world outside the US to possibly help take delivery of miners to forward to other buyers near you. In the past Inno would only ship in volume to a location and then we had to pickup the additional shipping from that location to us. For larger orders they were willing to direct ship. So if you are interested in helping and have good trust ratings here on the forum please speak up. That will help a great deal if we are able to get the group buy setup with Inno.

At this point we don't know if Inno is willing to work with us or any details yet. I am hoping that we can setup something similar to the A4 preorder.  Demand is much higher this time so we will have to see if they will work with us.

Phil has graciously offered to help us with this group buy so all funds transfers for this group buy if it does happen will be done through through Phil's escrow.  I will NOT be handling anyone's funds for this group buy.

Please stand by as we reach out to Inno. Please keep posting your interest in buying here in this thread. Thanks!

Thanks...we probably don't say this enough...but we appreciate your efforts in the past (and Phil's) and your efforts on this.

Again...thanks..

Brad

Like 1 or 2 depending on the price.

I'm also interested in 1 unit in France.
If CE marking (I'm sure they will do it) and if the price is not too expensive.

I'm interested in 1 or 2 units in India, depends on price and specs though.

Thanks for your efforts, they are really appreciated :-)

interested in one shipped to Italy.

Thanks

I just received a reply from Inno. Good news is they remember the work we did to get the A4 group buy preorder setup and done and the efforts to sort out the followup challenges we had with the early hardware. Inno stepped up to the plate and worked the issues with us.  So my hat is off to them as they worked hard to earn our trust.  

What they are saying is that they are not yet taking preorders, but to watch their web site.  They are saying quantities will be limited.  So I am following up with them to see what we might be able to do to facilitate a group buy. I will keep you posted with anything I find out.

More interest from Canada.

Very interested in buying 1 or 2 A5, depending on price ($6000-7000 acceptable to me) and delivery time (Aug best, or Sept/Oct).

I am in Missouri. Please do include me in the group-buy. ;D

Based upon market pricing for miners and the fact that people are actually buying them at these premium prices, I bet these things come in somewhere between 8000-10000 USD

100 x 10000 is one million U.S.  Was hoping for lower number then that.

As I wrote I do need from now all my friends together 15 pcs, we are building in the meantime a nice server room in a container, this will work somehow.

BUT how will be the ordering be like ?

Where will be the order be placed and how to pay ?

What will 15 units cost ?

So much questions and is this all a scam ... sounds so unreal 750 W for over 30 Gh/s

https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/dash?HashingPower=450&HashingUnit=GH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=11250&CostPerkWh=0.3 (https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/dash?HashingPower=450&HashingUnit=GH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=11250&CostPerkWh=0.3)

I am interested in two.  Price dependent of course.
It would be nice if they limited quantities per individual, as a matter of customer and community service.  More customers means more word-of-mouth advertising, assuming the product works as stated.  My 2¢.

I'm interested in one (If the price is reasonable I'm interested in more than one).
Shipping in Italy.

Will they give priority to this blog, or to the Russians?
 ;D

Hello,
Depended on price i am interested for 4-5 A5s (i like this suited hand  :)).Athens,Greece.

IMO the most realistic target price is about 4000-5000 USD but the market is all over the place right now so who knows what they will do. Personally I hope it's on the lowest possible end of the scale to create some real competition. Imagine if they priced it at 3k and undercut the D3 which is going for 2700 similar to how Bitmain did the A4 when the L3 came out. Would be some nice payback from Innosilicon if they can do that...and some great competition.

I would like them to sell at 4k or so  and ask for 50 moq.

Most buyers need to understand my part in escrow is  ensuring funds are sent to Innosilicon.

So  I can prevent the group buy from running off with the coin.

I can not prevent Innosiliscon from shafting us.

I help collect funds for some group buys of avalon 6's .

 I think we did do 2 buys about 40 units and about 72 coins.

We sent most in and about the USA.  But I sent some to the UK and to Finland.

No markup  Just tacked on  shipping and handling  I few people tipped me.  We need to see how it unfolds.

In no way  will we be collecting funds  in the month of July

August 5 to 9  would be the soonest.  This is but a small seed growing at the moment.  We will see how it grows over time.

Within US, any form of payment to you accepted? PayPal, ACH? ETH/Bitcoin?
Thanks :)

I'm interested in 5 units. Shipping is to the USA.

I remember those Avalon group buys and was a buyer on both of them. You were great at coordinating and escrowing. Fully trust you with my money.

The no mark up on those group buys were legit, unlike some other group buy recently =) Maybe it's karma... lol

Interested in 5 pieces if the price is right. Shipping to Norway/Europe

Interested.1 or 2 units depends final price . Miami

interested in one or two - NZ

where exactly is this announcement?

I think they just updated the web page:
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/a5-miner/index.html#Buy

Innosilicon X11 is fully proven and open for pre-order now! Delivery time starts from Sept 30th 2017 with superior 6 months’ warranty. First order, first served!

i am in china i can oder the a5 and send to any country ,my email is 19459933@qq.com

Interested in 1.
Shipping to Finland.

email from inoo:



so MOQ is 3. no price however.

THEY RAISED MOQ TO 5 UNITS WITH 2 HOURS TO PAY WTF :-[ :-[ :-[


Innosilicon, the world’s leading supplier of advanced mining ASIC, proudly announces today its next generation X11 miner, A5 DashMaster, at 30.2GH performance in 750W low power mode and 38GH in overclocked mode. It is so advanced and so far ahead in the field that it possesses >3.2 times efficiency advantage over its closest competitor. The A5 DashMaster owns huge competitive advantage, significantly lower operating cost, higher ROI and longevity in all conditions.

Smart customers choose the best miners and won’t risk money on obsolete stuff. A5 DashMaster is so well designed that we believe, even couple of years from now, you can still resell it as the best miner in the market"

 

Innosilicon X11 is fully proven and open for pre-order now! Delivery time starts from Oct 10th 2017 with superior 6 months’ warranty. First order, first served!

For pre-order, please keep eyes on our pre-order page:

http://www.innosilicon.com/html/a5-miner/index.html#Buy

The price will be disclosed soon! Stay tuned and get miners from the world’s first limited batch!

 

The MOQ is 5 uints, no need to register an account to buy. The purchase flow is as below:
 1. submit an order on the page(when pre-order is open)
 2. get an auto-reply email with quote(full payment is only accepted)
 3. finish the payment within 2 hours
 4. send us the payment proof
 5. pre-order is done

Keeping an eye on this one  ;D

Looks like the price would be $9k-$10k, more than 3 times of Antminer D3

Just wanted to give everyone the heads up that someone trying to impersonate 'Longsnowsm' for a group buy order. I received a PM from 'Lonqsnowsm'. Notice the 'q' rather than a 'g'. Beware.

You have a 50% fee on your pool http://95.59.72.81:7903/fee
http://crypto.office-on-the.net/img/95.59.72.81_dash.png
No one will mine with such a fee

Hello,
I would like to join for 1-2 depending on delivery time, specs, price, and CE approval.
Shipment to EU (Germany).

pre order at vendor Asic miner i have order from them b4 and they do deliver but this price is crazy.

INNOSILICON A5 Dash Miner X11 Algorithm 30.2GH/S

Note that this is PRE-ORDER

Because it is PRE-order Please assess your own risk.
Delivery may advance, or delay

PRE-ORDER, first come first served. October 01 – October 30 delivery
SKU: A5-302 Tags: A5 x11miner, dash miner, Innosilicon A5, Innosilicon A5 miner, x11 miner

$13000.00 per unit Asicminer dot com WOW expensive.

looks like price is going to b 11k-12k reseller is pricing 1 unit at 13k and they usually only add a few hundred to price.

I just got an email stating a 3 piece MOQ and an October 10th start for delivery.

1 unit $9999.00

Thanks for your pre-order.
Below is the details of your pre-order of INNOSILICON A5 DashMaster miners.


Order ID：  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Time:：2017-07-22
Amount： 29997 USD
Payment：Bank Transfer

Order Details

Product Name
   

A5 Miner

Order Quantity
   

3 units

Price of machine
   

9999 USD/unit

Shipping Method
   

DHL

Total Pirce for Machine
   

29997 USD

Shipping fee
   

160.667 USD

Total Price
   

30157.667 USD

yes preorder is open, and you need to buy 3 units. 1 or 2 not possible! Damn 12 BTC!

It says if you buy 10 you get 1 free. Let's go group buy!

You notice sale is open until at least 07/25/2017 ? They are going to collect mass cash and then manufacture is what i believe.

I Think that is difficult to create  a group buy in 4 Day.... but if in the future you'll create a group buy of this machine i'm here!
1 unit, Italy.
Thank you to all people that will work to this project .

I'm sure we can come up with a quick group buy of 3-10 units before the 25th. I don't have enough for 3, 1 for sure maybe 2.

If there are any fellow Canadians interested in 1-2 units let me know. I'm located in Toronto.

Decided to let this go except if there is a good group buy possible. I am also a bit cautious if this needs to be shipped to Europe. (costs / problems / delays at the custom etc)

how do we proceed now?

We need to be fast.

If we can get 100 miners till 25th we are getting 10miners free?

Can we decrease the price for each to approx. 3,85 BTC? the rest can keep the organisator (team) for there great groub buy work ^^.


What do you think?

This sounds reasonable and possible!

+1

edit: we need someone with good reputation / trust step up to make this work I think

 They've got the same MOQ3 and $9999 price listed on their website now.

 OUCH.

What PSU do they recommend with this thing? I don't see anything listed.

At that price tag I am going to pass.  However if outhers need a trusted person to help you bundle 3 unit orders I am willing to help.

I will reach out to Inno to see if they can do something for the forum buyers to maybe cut us some slack.

my biggest concern is the CE-Marking.
Hope they know what that is and how important and mandatory it is for the import into the EU (Germany)


But I guess you are good with a PCI-E connector from a 1000 Watt power supply if you don't use the OC function. Otherwise I would use 1500+Watt


Does anyone know anything about the noise level?

$10,000 per unit might be a bit high for me with their track record.

Bitmain: 15GH/s ~ 2700 USD

a very good an fair price would be between 6500$ and 7000$. Can't understand why the manufacturer can't stay approx. at the same price level.

I mean 30GH/s = 2x 15GH/s      2700$*2 = 9999$ ?   even with the OC function it shouldn't be that much.


Please don't mention Baikal with the 2GH/s and 7000$ they are from an other planet.

Inno knows about CE as they were sure to address it with the A4. I have not noticed it mentioned yet in the info provided so far. I will ask.

Agreed. They are on crack. That is with a ship date if Sept 30th....

registering my interest in a few (1-3), depending on the price, if this becomes a thing :)

I dont get it, how anybody would buy one of this if antminer D3 is way cheaper.. not even shilling bitmain jesus

Can't say I'm surprised to see 9999USD with a minimum of 3.

I'm guessing the promises made about the A4 are dead at this point. Things like releasing the software open source and continued support.

I expect the price to drop when they come to their senses.

You could buy 11 Bitmain miners for $30,000, vs 3 of these?


So...for $30,000 you can buy

Inosillicon miner 30gh x 3 = 90gh

vs

Bitmain miner 15gh x 11 = 165gh



Uhhh...

Well, if Inno can really deliver according to specs, I see their price justification because if you are limited in power/space, the A5 would have higher density since it's only 750w compared to 1200w for D3. for the D3 to have same hash rate, it would be 750w to 2400w. That's a premium that they are trying to set. Sort of like how the smaller the laptop, the pricier it gets.

Edit: If someone can get a group buy going for 10 units and get 1 free, then that's actually about $9k a unit. I wouldn't mind buying 1 for $9k if it happens.

Inno has never delivered on thier specs , I cant see them delivering this time either either way 10k is a joke man
7k at the higest would be a decent buy but 6.5k should be rhe price.

unless the gro buy gets terms 7 to 6k ill wait for the D3 thank u

I just posted this on the other A5 thread, but will cross post it here as well...

Just wanted to drop a reminder for everyone.  While I am working to see if Inno will help us with a group buy, I am not "lining up" miners, I am NOT taking orders, and I am not handling anyone's money so DON"T SEND ANYONE saying they are me your money... You are being scammed.  I am getting pinged by a lot of people saying that they are getting PM's from me about placing an order, and that I lined up some miners etc.

It just isn't the case.  Please watch the spelling of anyone sending you messages and make sure you know who you are talking to.  I won't be PM'ing people about the group buy to place an order.  I will be posting the info here in the public if and when I have any new info.

And that is my public service announcement today.  No word yet from Inno on possibly helping the forum get a better price or anything they can do to help us.  I will keep you posted if they pass anything along.

For those so inclined you can order directly from Inno today.  Minimum quantity is 3, and the price is $9999.  My understanding is that the quantities are limited, but I have no idea how many "limited" is.  Best of luck to those who are ordering.

I am up for 1 if and when this goes through.

location USA

10k USD is very expensive, even if one free if 10 units
And their BTC exchange rate is terrible - only 2370USD ! (bitmain at the same time 2752USD)

For such price it could not compete with D3, it needs at least a 2k less price.

Interested in 1
Shipment in Germany
If 30.2 Gh/s 750 W confirmed.
Reasonable waiting times ( approx end 2017......)
Reasonable price.
CE-Marking present.

Please make your location and your interest known here and you can possibly group a purchase together with someone in your region of the world.  You would just have to agree where to have the miners shipped and then have that location ship them onto the final destination.  

So let people know here and you may be able to bundle a purchase with one or two other people.  I would recommend using a trusted member on the forum as a shipping location if they are willing to help you by receiving and forwarding miners to buyers.  

I am interested in one.
Reasonable price.
Country: Italy.

3.74k over my exchange rate, these cheap chinese exchange rates are so unfair what a joke that  means one costs like 11.25k

Yea thats what i thought!

I like it because of the lower power draw for the hashrate. The wiring in my house is garbage so i am limited to what i can put. Well that is if inosilicon hits the claimed numbers.

What bothers me with this miner is Innosilicon has a history of overstating specs like with A4 they said 800 mhs by the time they shipped miner was 276 mhs . This sale is being kept open for days so it looks like they are going to build first batch per orders received not a limited quantity so shipping will definitely be pushed back for many buyers. Ibelnk and bitmain will already be hashing by the time the A5 ships out meaning harder to ROI for A5 owners. Too many variables makes this a risky investment.

IMO the A5 isn't worth the money. Save your money and get the D3.

Yea..AND too many HW error (with A2/A4 i have) but with bitmain my L3+ is having 0 (ZEROOOO) HW  ;D ;D

Yeah...I'm out....imho the bitmain units will likely be out to us at the same time we get these

if we ordered now..........just way too overpriced imho

too bad I needed some equip...but with that kinda mark up I can wait

MOQ is 1 now + free PSU. price is the same :(

still too expensive...

As others have noted here.  Inno replied back that they have dropped the MOQ to 1 unit and will include a free PSU.  So there won't be any special discounts or offers to the forum on this one.  Inno says they are swamped with email and inquires.  I hope they are and that things go well for them on the A5.  It is too rich for my blood. 

So now that the MOQ is 1 anyone who wants to buy one can.  The orders will be filled on a first come first served basis.  So the sooner you get your order in the sooner you will get your A5. 

Not much to add to this at this time.  So no need to do a group order on the A5, you can order directly now in single unit quantities.  I am looking forward to reports from owners of the A5 how this miner works for them. 

Even though the MOQ is down to 1, Inno seems desperate to sell. Any chance you guys will be able to get a group discount? Id be interested in 1 if they can get the price down to $6-7k

same here. They are being ridiculous

I asked about a group buy discount and they did not express any interest in it.  Just offered that the MOQ was now 1 unit and a free PSU.  So that is the situation as it stands right now.  I would not hold my breath that anything will change unless there is some major shift in the market or something. 

Let me see if they would budge on the price if we were to put together a large order.  Lets see if there is a specific volume they will drop that price down to say 7k.

Thanks for all your efforts!!

 Odd, I've not seen a significant count of hardware errors on my A2 units, but I do remember seeing a similar count on my S5 units.

 Perhaps you're pushing your units too hard, or not keeping them cool enough?



 I suspect Innosilicon is going to HAVE to drop the price on the A5 down to more like $6-$7k range pretty quickly if they expect to sell a significant number of them - even if they DO hit their stated specifications closely.

Even at MOQ 1, $10k is still too steep of a price for the miner.

Why would anyone buy A5 over D3?  Compared to D3, A5 shows much less hashrate/$.  If one were to buy X11 miner, seems like D3 is a better choice unless electricity is very expensive (should not really be mining with high elec anyway).  Am I missing something?

You are not really missing anything... I mean for less than 10k, you COULD hypothetically buy 3 D3s, with a 45 GH/s hashrate...

The only thing in the pro Innosillicon column (besides wattage) is that the D3s are currently sold out.. Of course this will change, but the last batch sold out quickly. If the next batch sells out as quickly as the last batch, you may not get an opportunity #birdinhand #mootpoint

Also, there's no gaurantee the price will remain the same the next go around...
But all that's probably not worth the premium. Just thinking out loud...

They are desperate to sell at this premium price.

They know it will not last.

if the group discount happens then I'm interested in 1 to the UK if it has the CE approval.
The calculators are suggesting $500 profit a day! This can't be true, right?

Yes and no. Basically, if YOU had one right now, but NOBODY else had one, then yes, it would yield about $500 a dY in Dash...

BUT that's not how it works. Asic manufacturers (in a crazy scheme to make a profit) produce and sell MORE than one ASIC at a time... More like thousands of ASICs are built, sold and shipped at a time. When a new, more powerful ASIC hits a blockchain, the increased hashpower increases the difficulty. This increase in difficulty lowers the payouts, and on and on it goes.

In this case, you don't just have this one model hitting the market, but also new models from other companies (most notably Bitmain's D3). I believe some of these machines, like Ibelink's DM11G, are already being mined by the ASIC manufacturers before they ship. This would explain the sudden astronomical increase in the Dash network hashrate.

If DASH continues to climb in price, which it may, then the price of Dash would compensate for the increase in difficulty + drop in payouts.

Hope that helped

Excellent reply, thank you.

Inno replied on the idea of a large volume purchase.  


They also stated that they really view the A5 as a 38gh miner with the overclock mode.  So that would have to be taken into any cost per GH calculations.  

Still at that price point it may be hard to get a 100 unit order.  So you guys speak up and if you want to try for the 100 unit order.  Not much of a discount.  Not sure how the 10 free miners would be addressed other than maybe sell them and divide the proceeds among the buyers.  

So that is the situation at the moment.

At that price point im out.  Will stick with the d3s, less risk with the unknown amount of diff spike we will see.  Thanks for the thread and good luck with the group buy long.

Completely agree. I would counter offer at $7K.

The other issue is delivery date.


the 10 "free" miners would be in NOV? what idiots.

This is what they currently have on their site.... morons. And they want me to give them 10K when they cant even get a website correct?


https://i.imgur.com/9kPwJEu.png

This is way too late..... almost 30 days after the D3....

I think i'm dropping my max to $4K-$5k.

https://i.imgur.com/oIzcfO7.png

yea thats what i thought. it will be hot cakes if price $4-5k

 They fixed that - somewhat - but as of a minute ago they are STILL only quoting Bitcoin at $2370.

 $4-$5k would be TOO low compared to the D3 if both units hit their stated specs.

Are they trying to make money on the product, exchange rate or both? When did Inno become a FX trading company?

Yes you are right, there difference between usd and BTC is over 6%
Innosillicon I have major trust issues with you now

I lost track..

when were these units supposed to ship?

I realize deadlines can slip

but curious

thanks

Well  I saw a screen shot above that says shipping from factory on Oct 2017  and in my opinion with a 10,000 usd at stake, you will miss a lot of opportunity to gain with that amount.

I have 'dubious' motives I have ONE Bitmain D3+ 15gh miner supposedly shipping Sept 15th.....(just got one with diff rise not brave at all...coward that I am)

So I guess....I'll be hoping for Bitmain's deadline to stick and Innsolicon's deadline to slip...

silly hobby

Ill wait for a price drop
10k istoo much

I have no plans to get more, than this 2nd batch bitmain d3. It looks to me all this 15 to 30x
the X11 hash will slap down around October 1st. Damn!

Some people think it's the 1st batch that went unpaid. Makes sense since the shipping date is only a week or two after the first batch. I'd expect a month between batches no?

The ways of bitmain are mysterious to me (evil they are...tm bitmain) ..so you could be right..or they could just be 'toying' with us and dribbling this stuff out at odd times

(5am in USA) just to drive everyone mad. (it is what they do....tm bitmain) (evil never rests.....er again tm bitmain) etc etc evil empire (yawn)

Evil haha i like it, would agree to some extent. Having said that Inno is too expensive. Not sure what was going through their heads while pricing this up. almost 40% more expensive.

I may have a different group buy in the works...  Still trying to iron out the details so I won't say anything more until it starts to look like it could happen and I will post some updates on appropriate posts here and start a new one for a different group buy once we have things locked in.  Still very early in the discussions, but I will keep you posted.

Thanks for your hard work on this. Please let me know the details once they are available.

I can´t understand how you all have so much money to throw around :-D is there someone where I can get a small share of one thing...like 5%?