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Title: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: cryptosecurity on July 25, 2017, 08:20:31 PM
ive noticed a new practice these days and wanted to ask the community about your views on this.

see here.

This thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2024824.0

 - - - - - this thread is constantly on top in the ANN altcoin announcements.

That got me interested so I dug a little deeper.

This is what I found:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2039055.0

Is this the first PPP (pay per post) campaign on Bitcointalk or have there been more?

TY


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: Yuhee on July 26, 2017, 12:42:33 AM
ive noticed a new practice these days and wanted to ask the community about your views on this.

see here.

This thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2024824.0

 - - - - - this thread is constantly on top in the ANN altcoin announcements.

That got me interested so I dug a little deeper.

This is what I found:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2039055.0

Is this the first PPP (pay per post) campaign on Bitcointalk or have there been more?

TY

Well honestly this is just my 1st time too seeing this and i gotta say that this is just to help the project advertise its ico. This kind of ppp to me unusual but seems legit. It is not the typical ppp that i was accostumed of. I too am curious feel free to update you posts if you have came across the same type of ppp.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: TryNinja on July 26, 2017, 12:51:46 AM
Well honestly this is just my 1st time too seeing this and i gotta say that this is just to help the project advertise its ico. This kind of ppp to me unusual but seems legit. It is not the typical ppp that i was accostumed of. I too am curious feel free to update you posts if you have came across the same type of ppp.
In my opinion, it makes the ICO lose credibility.

If you haven't seen already, the campaign manager allows people to post 10 times a day in the ANN thread. Do you really believe that someone can make 10 constructive posts per day in the same thread without spamming? They don't even check the quality of those posts before paying their users.

As I said in a previously post: "The guy managing this campaign is legit asking people to spam on the forum for cents."

Edit: Good news :)

New Rule

Only 1 post in 24hr will count.

Rule will be applied after this post



Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: allthebitandbobs on July 26, 2017, 01:03:13 AM
wow i am honored  ;D ;D ;D .I suppose i will quote Oscar Wilde here  "There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about ".




I am also pretty sure the day i became dev and created my coin    all hope and credibility was lose day 1  ;D ;D ;D ;D.For all you guys giving be a good laugh and a chuckle you earn 50 Fupoof coins each .Just pm your wave address and they be on there way .




Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: Someone47 on July 26, 2017, 01:17:19 AM
lol oh no i think this is a new low here now ain't it

the signature campaign spam in itself is sometimes really hard to bear already but paying people directly to post? oh oh oh oh oh


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: acpr23 on July 26, 2017, 01:53:05 AM
i think there is nothing wrong with this, anyone that is paid for their work is not wrong it is good as a help specially for those who really need money. besides other ICO required their bounty participants to post in their announcement thread also and if they dont they wont get paid. so i think this is just normal and fair.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: theymos on July 26, 2017, 01:54:42 AM
That is very much not allowed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=434310.0). The threads are trashed, the poster is banned for 60 days, everyone who participated is banned for 3 days, and everyone who participated cannot display a signature for 30 days.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: julerz12 on July 26, 2017, 02:20:01 AM
ive noticed a new practice these days and wanted to ask the community about your views on this.

see here.

This thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2024824.0

 - - - - - this thread is constantly on top in the ANN altcoin announcements.

That got me interested so I dug a little deeper.

This is what I found:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2039055.0

Is this the first PPP (pay per post) campaign on Bitcointalk or have there been more?

TY

Seems like the thread already got trashed, I can't see it. This also seem to be happening on quite a lot of alt-crypto signature campaigns.
Question: Does requiring the signature participants to post a minimum number of post per week also not allowed?


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: Quickseller on July 26, 2017, 03:36:42 AM
here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038173.0) is another one, although the thread is already locked and is currently in the games and rounds section.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: DarkStar_alt on July 26, 2017, 03:49:18 AM
ive noticed a new practice these days and wanted to ask the community about your views on this.

see here.

This thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2024824.0

 - - - - - this thread is constantly on top in the ANN altcoin announcements.

That got me interested so I dug a little deeper.

This is what I found:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2039055.0

Is this the first PPP (pay per post) campaign on Bitcointalk or have there been more?

TY

Seems like the thread already got trashed, I can't see it. This also seem to be happening on quite a lot of alt-crypto signature campaigns.
Question: Does requiring the signature participants to post a minimum number of post per week also not allowed?


I think that would be allowed, given that the posts can be on any thread. Requiring X posts on a certain thread would be not allowed.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: Bergamot on July 26, 2017, 03:49:44 AM
That is very much not allowed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=434310.0). The threads are trashed, the poster is banned for 60 days, everyone who participated is banned for 3 days, and everyone who participated cannot display a signature for 30 days.

Hey, people who participated are not their mistake, this thread has been open for while,most of them don't know that it's not allow.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: Pearls Before Swine on July 26, 2017, 04:16:52 AM
i think there is nothing wrong with this, anyone that is paid for their work is not wrong it is good as a help specially for those who really need money. besides other ICO required their bounty participants to post in their announcement thread also and if they dont they wont get paid. so i think this is just normal and fair.
So it's the right thing to do because you benefit.   
No wonder this forum like a septic tank.  It's not a good idea in my opinion. It encourages
spammy posts big time.   Would YOU want to read anything in that thread?


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: BlackMambaPH on July 26, 2017, 04:32:12 AM
I already read a topic thread like this, Asking about if this kind of activities is allowed, and as I remember one of the forum moderator answered it and allowed that activities. This is almost a half year happening in the forum (AFAIK). Why just today you guys take action when this activity is already rampant?


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: hilariousetc on July 26, 2017, 07:50:30 AM
That is very much not allowed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=434310.0). The threads are trashed, the poster is banned for 60 days, everyone who participated is banned for 3 days, and everyone who participated cannot display a signature for 30 days.

Can we extend this to alt coin campaigns paying out in anything other than bitcoin? As has been mentioned before a lot of them are not even cryptocoins just tokens and 99% of them do absolutely nothing about spam and all follow the same formula: pre mine a load of worthless crap then give half of it out to anyone who bothers to sign up with their 5,10, 50, 100, 200 alt accounts. The fact that numerous people have been caught getting paid out on 50-200 accounts tells you all you need to know about the lack of management on these campaigns and they're causing probably 98% of the spam right now. I would propose that if you're not paying out in bitcoin then you can't advertise via signatures here and any one that does so should have their threads trashed and accounts banned. The users that continue to advertise them should also have their signatures removed for x amount of time.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: erikalui on July 26, 2017, 11:27:43 AM
I just read this news today and it's a move that's appreciated. Hope that the campaigns stop paying for making posts in their ANNs as it not only trashes the reputation of the project but also increases spam where users are posting nonsense to get paid. I guess the rules for all signature campaigns should be changed and the members should be allowed to post wherever they wish without any limitations (except for having fixed number of posts).


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: TGD on July 26, 2017, 05:56:31 PM
I just read this news today and it's a move that's appreciated. Hope that the campaigns stop paying for making posts in their ANNs as it not only trashes the reputation of the project but also increases spam where users are posting nonsense to get paid. I guess the rules for all signature campaigns should be changed and the members should be allowed to post wherever they wish without any limitations (except for having fixed number of posts).
Most of The signature campaign rules of each bounty thread has been changed this day, now you are not  required to post in the Ann actually it's a good news to us we are now not forcing to post in the Ann thread  , I actually like this move from moderator.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: botany on July 27, 2017, 12:08:22 AM
everyone who participated cannot display a signature for 30 days.

Is this a new form of ban/restriction? Is this the first time this is being implemented?


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: captainhera on July 27, 2017, 01:16:18 AM
i don't know who banned whatever reason, who can interpretative causative banned?
thank


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on July 27, 2017, 03:27:14 AM
i don't know who banned whatever reason, who can interpretative causative banned?
thank
That's because you can't or won't read.  It's all in this thread.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: captainhera on July 27, 2017, 06:36:58 AM
i don't know who banned whatever reason, who can interpretative causative banned?
thank
That's because you can't or won't read.  It's all in this thread.

oh, i'm sorry. i was readed it but i see someone can make 10 constructive posts per day in the same thread Is normal. Because everyone can talk to each other!


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: Quickseller on July 27, 2017, 06:48:55 AM
i don't know who banned whatever reason, who can interpretative causative banned?
thank
That's because you can't or won't read.  It's all in this thread.

oh, i'm sorry. i was readed it but i see someone can make 10 constructive posts per day in the same thread Is normal. Because everyone can talk to each other!
If you are being paid to post in a specific thread, then this is considered to be a 'giveaway'. Giveaways that pay anything other than bitcoin are not allowed, and giveaways that give away bitcoin belong in the games and rounds (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=71.0) section.

If you are being paid to carry a signature, and post in a specific board, and/or any thread, then this is allowed, although you will need to keep your posts on topic and constructive.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: Nameless27 on July 27, 2017, 07:39:43 AM
The thread at first look legit, 1 post a day. Got a friend who post once in 2 days. As he said the OP change/edit it to 10 post a day. So the next day, its look spamming to him so he don't post and be part of it anymore. The next day he got banned for 3 days and 30 days in signature. It just my opinion, i aggree that those who spam must be ban but this particular issue must be selected for those who spam only. Not all of them.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: captainhera on July 27, 2017, 10:55:42 AM
The thread at first look legit, 1 post a day. Got a friend who post once in 2 days. As he said the OP change/edit it to 10 post a day. So the next day, its look spamming to him so he don't post and be part of it anymore. The next day he got banned for 3 days and 30 days in signature. It just my opinion, i aggree that those who spam must be ban but this particular issue must be selected for those who spam only. Not all of them.
i agree opinion for you


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: erikalui on July 27, 2017, 11:56:06 AM
i don't know who banned whatever reason, who can interpretative causative banned?
thank
That's because you can't or won't read.  It's all in this thread.

oh, i'm sorry. i was readed it but i see someone can make 10 constructive posts per day in the same thread Is normal. Because everyone can talk to each other!
If you are being paid to post in a specific thread, then this is considered to be a 'giveaway'. Giveaways that pay anything other than bitcoin are not allowed, and giveaways that give away bitcoin belong in the games and rounds (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=71.0) section.

If you are being paid to carry a signature, and post in a specific board, and/or any thread, then this is allowed, although you will need to keep your posts on topic and constructive.

Giveaways in altcoins are not allowed in the Games and Rounds section? I have seen altcoin giveaways also in that section and felt any kind of giveaways belong there. There have been goods/products too listed there like coins/invites.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: Quickseller on July 27, 2017, 12:16:22 PM
i don't know who banned whatever reason, who can interpretative causative banned?
thank
That's because you can't or won't read.  It's all in this thread.

oh, i'm sorry. i was readed it but i see someone can make 10 constructive posts per day in the same thread Is normal. Because everyone can talk to each other!
If you are being paid to post in a specific thread, then this is considered to be a 'giveaway'. Giveaways that pay anything other than bitcoin are not allowed, and giveaways that give away bitcoin belong in the games and rounds (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=71.0) section.

If you are being paid to carry a signature, and post in a specific board, and/or any thread, then this is allowed, although you will need to keep your posts on topic and constructive.

Giveaways in altcoins are not allowed in the Games and Rounds section? I have seen altcoin giveaways also in that section and felt any kind of giveaways belong there. There have been goods/products too listed there like coins/invites.
Nope, altcoin giveaways are not allowed, as defined in my above post.

It is possible someone will open an altcoin giveaway thread and it slips through the cracks

It is permissible to direct people to a website that gives away altcoins.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: captainhera on July 27, 2017, 01:07:02 PM
i don't know who banned whatever reason, who can interpretative causative banned?
thank
That's because you can't or won't read.  It's all in this thread.

oh, i'm sorry. i was readed it but i see someone can make 10 constructive posts per day in the same thread Is normal. Because everyone can talk to each other!
If you are being paid to post in a specific thread, then this is considered to be a 'giveaway'. Giveaways that pay anything other than bitcoin are not allowed, and giveaways that give away bitcoin belong in the games and rounds (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=71.0) section.

If you are being paid to carry a signature, and post in a specific board, and/or any thread, then this is allowed, although you will need to keep your posts on topic and constructive.

Giveaways in altcoins are not allowed in the Games and Rounds section? I have seen altcoin giveaways also in that section and felt any kind of giveaways belong there. There have been goods/products too listed there like coins/invites.
Nope, altcoin giveaways are not allowed, as defined in my above post.



It is possible someone will open an altcoin giveaway thread and it slips through the cracks

It is permissible to direct people to a website that gives away altcoins.
via it who can dodge the law, but to develop to project ICO  they can accept.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: mrcash02 on July 27, 2017, 03:25:09 PM
I would like to suggest moderators to add on Services section a pinned post clarifying micro tasks like this aren't allowed on the forum, doesn't matter if it's spam or not, because it's pay-to-post in forum. This way everyone can be aware about it and won't fall on malicious offers again.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: ToniCrocano on July 27, 2017, 05:47:10 PM
I created a bounty campaign where I asked to post both in the campaign and in the official announcement to facilitate the job search for candidates in both posts, I asked for a specific promotion to be made in favor of the social channels related to the ann , I did not have a giveaway and non-incentive post that I find useless (is it spam remembering that someone creates a discussion channel about the project?) Why was it canceled? (Regarding the post of the bounty campaign) why was it closed? (As far as the announcement is concerned) I am willing to rebuild everything, but I think I have not violated any regulation, I did not stimulate useless posts or implemented a giveaway


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: anujjain on July 27, 2017, 09:50:32 PM
I think even moderator don't allow this.

Helping bump the Announcement thread would be appreciated but not required

This campaign https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047474.0



Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: BlackMambaPH on July 28, 2017, 03:19:07 PM
ive noticed a new practice these days and wanted to ask the community about your views on this.

see here.

This thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2024824.0

 - - - - - this thread is constantly on top in the ANN altcoin announcements.

That got me interested so I dug a little deeper.

This is what I found:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2039055.0

Is this the first PPP (pay per post) campaign on Bitcointalk or have there been more?

TY

Seems like the thread already got trashed, I can't see it. This also seem to be happening on quite a lot of alt-crypto signature campaigns.
Question: Does requiring the signature participants to post a minimum number of post per week also not allowed?


I think that would be allowed, given that the posts can be on any thread. Requiring X posts on a certain thread would be not allowed.

Great question julerz and that would be a great idea, If it will happen it may also help the forum to lessen signature spammers . Hopefully, it will be implemented too.


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: patrickj on July 29, 2017, 01:57:44 AM
ive noticed a new practice these days and wanted to ask the community about your views on this.

see here.

This thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2024824.0

 - - - - - this thread is constantly on top in the ANN altcoin announcements.

That got me interested so I dug a little deeper.

This is what I found:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2039055.0

Is this the first PPP (pay per post) campaign on Bitcointalk or have there been more?

TY

I'm back in posting but my signature banned. This was my first time being banned, my sincere apology to the Mods, I was carried away by greedy act and now I learned a lesson. Anyway, hope I can come back participating signature campaign. Need to wait  :(


Title: Re: Paying to keep Thread on Top / Pay per Post on Bitcointalk
Post by: Cobalt9317 on July 29, 2017, 07:54:07 AM
ive noticed a new practice these days and wanted to ask the community about your views on this.

see here.

This thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2024824.0

 - - - - - this thread is constantly on top in the ANN altcoin announcements.

That got me interested so I dug a little deeper.

This is what I found:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2039055.0

Is this the first PPP (pay per post) campaign on Bitcointalk or have there been more?

TY

I'm back in posting but my signature banned. This was my first time being banned, my sincere apology to the Mods, I was carried away by greedy act and now I learned a lesson. Anyway, hope I can come back participating signature campaign. Need to wait  :(

I was also banned until august 25 it was third offence in the Signature Campaign Guidelines (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1684035.0) I thought it was okay at first but I only post 15 times in three days and I was banned in 1 month need to wait I guess.