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Hey Everyone!

Someone mentioned us in Fortune, check it out. Perhaps you guys may see things the same way ;)

http://fortune.com/2017/07/28/bitcoin-cryptocurrency-ico/

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First of all I
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for sure! Later will be back here. Till then, leaving 2 note for you! The Bloomburg and retuers
link of press section are not working! bloomberg [ error 404 ] and retuers [ redirecting
into bounty thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2035149.0/.

You can copy/paste both of them from bounty ANN. That's working correctly.

Thanks!

Thanks @eye4bd, we are doing a big revamp this weekend after a crazy first week.

It has been quite the learning experience for the whole team ahead of the main ICO and we are in talks with several major groups to support this initiative.

The bloomberg link can be found here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-08/odd-lots-how-a-fund-manager-is-trying-to-solve-some-of-the-middle-east-s-biggest-problems

Reuters here:

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/16/islamic-state-and-the-management-of-savagery/

More to come..

Many religions in the world, each sect living habits are all different, so will produce different view of the world, the terrorist organization is anti-human,only thus can make local war, is need to fight terrorism, human beings need peace.

i want reserve indonesian translation if you need
maybe if open ico selling you need promotion use signature campaign, is enough use bounty campaign payment use anacoin

The first ever SJW coin.

Hi SimpeleSimpele,

We may do a signature campaign for the main ICO, we reserved 200,000 Anacoins for bounties but have only allocated 150,000 so far.

We have some Indonesian translation in the works, but there are also bounties for moderation and managing the Indonesian community, we think that this resource will be particularly valuable in Indonesia given recent developments, for example the recent Ahok court case.

For those reading this thread who do not know the circumstances of this, you can see the details here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/04/indonesia-ahok-muslim/523002/

In summary, the Christian Governor of Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia, was alleged to have defamed the Quran by saying that his opponents use of verse 51 of the fifth chapter of the Quran, known as al Maidah (the feast) was intended to "threaten and deceive" and might make some of the citizens not vote for him.

The governor had to step down in May after being convicted of blasphemy with a potential two year jail sentence (lots of politics around that.. was even more than the prosecutor asked for..).

As noted in the whitepaper and our website, our first focus at Ananas is the Quran, before branching out into other scriptures and non-religious ideologies as we get a critical mass of researchers and members of the appropriate communities.

As the platform grows, any individual so inclined would be able to dig into as much depth as they wanted on the nuances of Quran 5:51 and the interpretative traditions around it, including whether certain interpretations were acceptable within the analytical framework of, for example, the Yemeni-Shafi branch of Sunni Islam which is prevalent in Indonesia, at least up to the point of reasonable doubt.

With a centralised, "objective subjective" point of reference like this, politicisation of reilgion can occur extremely easily as it has here, where the interpretative tradition has sufficient flexibility to confirm that Ahok did not blaspheme.

Given the traditionally localised structure of Islam in Indonesia and emergence of hypertextualism that has hidden inside it, we wouldn't be surprised to see more cases like this and the emergence of a very literalist, non-contextual set of politics gaining ground.

So if any Indonesians (or those from any country!) would like to help in any way, please do email us at information@ananas.org.uk or join our slack.

For the record, I personally think that blasphemy laws are counter-productive and should be scrapped and hope this ruling is overturned on appeal (even the prosecutor appealed (!)).

Great project,,good luck and succes to ANA coins

I think there is as big an issue with the left misunderstanding the right as the right misunderstanding the left.

This excerpt from The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt is pertinent:

https://twitter.com/edwest/status/838691283094933504

It's only getting worse

Thanks stillmad, every bit of luck counts!

We are collating feedback for the next version of the whitepaper and final plan ahead of the main ICO in September, but the idea is that it will be a bit different:

1. Steemit and Wikipedia are designed to be decentralised. We are aiming to have a decentralised area where the 'unstructured'/less structured data lives, where the foundation and any Anacoin holders can commission pieces and reward submissions.

This data is then collated into structured data sets by approved members of individual communities aided by some Smart programming/AI on the standardised data sets.

For example the ithna ashari (Twelver) Shia, ie those in Iran and large parts of Iraq, would have their ontology, the Greek Orthodox Church would have theirs. These ontologies are then available in the the customised consumer app, the first of which is the Quran.

The Foundation will have to form ties with each community to get stamps of approval on those curated data sets, but isn't there to make judgement calls, unless the ideology calls to violence against others or charges for enlightenment.

Part of the inspiration for this was the Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy: https://qz.com/480741/this-free-online-encyclopedia-has-achieved-what-wikipedia-can-only-dream-of/ and the work of Claude Shannon

2. Community is everything and we underemphasised that we want active and engaged members from each ideology on the platform to be organised not only to create and collate resources (digital and real life), but to answer questions in a safe area both from members of their own ideology wanting to learn more and those from outside with genuine questions. For the trolls and those looking to engage in apologetics we have some plans to allow them their own arena.

For Islam in particular the resources for 1.6 billion are pretty poor, there is nothing like www.logos.com or even near it meaning that while there is huge engagement with the Quran (93% of Muslims iirc) there is minimal understanding, or even knowledge of where to go for understanding..

Same for non-Muslims, where reliably can they go for a smooth, well-thought-out, trustworthy set of information?

That's what makes this so interesting.

Fingers crossed.

no airdrop for anacoin sir??

Where's the original thread? Created this one to avoid all the negativities from the old one? Your ambition is too much I can say.

The original thread can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2035149.0, it was locked like many others due to the bounty thread having stakes for ANN thread posting, which was wrong.

We checked all was ok with mprep and did new thread on their request.

The original thread has some negativity but we remained respectful and give full explanations as anyone can see. The homophobia was a bit concerning however.

I do not understand the stance that we are trying to be too ambitious.

Creating a contextual Quran as a first step is very manageable with the right support.

The information is all out there but just needs to be organised.

Blockchain is a means to organise individuals in unique was as Naval Ravikant outlined in his market economy tweetstorm referenced in our white paper.

We also note that we won't stop extreme explicitly up top, but we do think we can help by creating a resource like this, which would quickly be superior to the alternatives out there.

If this can stop one hate crime or individual being radicalised it will have been worth it for us, we think it can do so much more.

We believe that makes this worthy of support and is why we are working on this project and hope others will join us.

We will be having a public  competition shortly for better ideas as we would love to hear them.

Your making a coin so people can pay to educate themselves on other religions  ? i think this shit is free for everyone on google . . if they really want to know.

Presale? WTF . . What exactly is it that your selling ? yeah coins i know . . but for what reason . . . what other than education i can get for free will this offer me ?

If your so ambitious to spread the love and stop the hate why not do it for free on a forum.  webhosting is 3.99 a month . . . could come from your pocket.

Where else is the value in buying this coin ?

We are writing up the full tokenomics and will be putting it up on our Medium blog shortly along with full ICO details.

The usage of the coins within the platform are for commissioning content, sponsoring parts and rewarding contributions.

As we note in the white paper information is everywhere, but contextual information, i.e. Knowledge, is harder to find.

The aim of Ananas is to map the worlds ideologies and resources related to these and make them easy to access and navigate, a knowledge graph for ideology if you will.

This does not exist today and is something that we believe would be useful to individuals within their own ideologies (the main users) and to those outside those ideologies looking in (a bonus)

To give an example of platform utility, how would you go about determining if ISIS was Islamic as a non-Muslim?

Googling won't get you too far as the primary organisation on the knowledge graph is backlinking. Wikipedia has its own notion of objectivity.

If you could have a platform where significant structural work had been done or where you know you could ask someone from that community it would be much easier.

For a Muslim this would make understanding their religion a lot easier and help them avoid mount stupid.

As more ideologies are mapped by their respective communities Anacoins will become more in demand and the value of the platform will increase even faster as then you can do cross ideological mapping.

A forum will be a part of this, but the goal is standardised mapping of the ideological data sets and the inter relationships between key elements (ontologies) within them.

This dataset is needed as the backing to create the resource needed and is the hard organisational problem that we believe wouldn't have been possible without blockchain. Even then people tend to only want to do their own ideology whereas we want to try and model as many as possible to really understand what makes great, positive ideologies and ones that mutate into hideous ideologies that commit literal holocausts.

As I've noted before the problems seem to be getting worse and we are open to hearing any better ideas  :-[

Your initiative is interesting and very positive, but how do you want to generate value for Anacoin? And why did you choose that name? Where are the team and supply information of the coin? Will the project continue if ICO fails?

Hi TCF,


We will be putting up our full details of the tokenomics of Anacoin shortly, but we have designed the token/currency to increase in value in line with the utility and popularity of the platform

The delay has been due to us reviewing dozens of ICOs and their sales and allocation models to ensure we (hopefully) employ best practice.


Ananas is the same in most languages of the world (http://termcoord.eu/2016/08/pineapple-or-ananas/), representing our aim to help increase contextual communication amongst those of differing backgrounds.

We have the trademark and multiple domain names and thought it a nice brand to build on (although there are some issues with the name in Turkey and France due to the actions of certain individuals).

Plus the team likes pineapples  ;D


The team information is on the website, but we have updated the original post to give direct details & LinkedIn profiles.

We have also updated the supply information of the coin and as mentioned will be providing more details soon.

New coins are only minted if the foundation receives over $100,000 in fiat for this project, with tokens equivalent to 50% of that amount being minted monthly for the foundation and being locked for 2 years.

As noted before, full tokenomics and our thinking behind it to come shortly.


Yes, we have several alternate funding streams and models and the team has been working on this project for three years, really trying to understand how ideologies are formed, where they turn positive and where they turn evil and how to try to aid the former and halt the latter.

The current funding for the project to date should shortly exceed £400,000 and we are in touch with several major funders. We are adamant about not giving up any editorial control in exchange for funding of any type.

We believe that given strong institutional and press relationships, a verifiable and experienced multifaith team, minimal technical risk and a worthy cause we should comfortably exceed our soft-cap target for the main token sale.

The pre-sale has been a good learning experience in advance of this, highlighting several areas where we need to bring on more resource and improve.

We will be sharing our learnings from this in the coming weeks.

Hi Jiya, I'm afraid not, but we do have a bounty thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2050048) available  :)

Finally I was able to find the ann page and read its contents. I congratulate you in your cause. May your project stamp out extremism in Great Britain and will be able to help more so around the world.

The main ANN thread is now updated with details of token price, allocation and structure.

51.6% of the Anacoins put aside for early funders have been allocated (almost all fiat to Foundation for research), pre-sale ongoing for the next week at $0.50 per Anacoin, so at live prices, 1 ETH = 200 Anacoins.

Please see presale thread if you wish to purchase in BTC or $, or email the information e-mail in the first ANN post.

The main token sale in September will have a hard cap of 2.25m Anacoins at $1 each.

We have tried to create a token economy that appreciates in value as the value of the platform increases, based on our unique Proof of Social Proof model for mining new coins and key Anacoin allocations only unlocking once key, verifiable milestones are hit.

We thank you all for your support, come over and say hello to us on Slack (https://slack.anacoin.io/), all feedback and suggestions appreciated!

Many thanks II, we are working hard and hope to make a difference in what is a huge struggle.

Hi, thanks for answering the questions so patiently even when they've been very rude and hostile. I hope you'll be able to answer mine.

I see in your whitepaper that one of the main aims of Ananas is to be authoritative similar to how the stanford encyclopedia of philosophy is regarded as very authoritative.That is great for countering ISIS-style narratives because there are loads of authoritative scholars and organisations that aren't regarded as fringe but as the mainstream, established scholarly consensus on sunni islam who regularly condemn ISIS and explain why Islam should not be interpreted the way ISIS do. So that is great.

But from the other direction of countering islamophobic points of view and interpretations, how are you going to do that when mainstream , sunni, orthodox Islam as characterised by the scholarly consensus of  Hanafi, shafi, maliki and hanbali schools of jurisprudence contains large numbers of rulings and judgements based on the quran and hadith which are antithetical to western , liberal values?

For example on the frequent charge of Islam being sexist, can you deny that the consensus of mainstream, authoritative sunni scholars is that a man can get married to whom he wants with or without his family's permission but a woman is only able to get married with her male guardian's permission? That totally goes against equal rights for men and women. Only the Hanafi school of fiqh has some disagreement on this issue.
Or take the fact that all 4 schools of surviving, mainstream sunni jurisprudence agree that the penalty for converting away from islam or becoming an atheist is imprisonment then death. Note that these rulings by these schools don't say "if you leave islam and become an enemy and traitor working to wage war against muslims" (which is what apologists frequently claim). The jurisprudence,  which hundreds of years of scholars have studied the quran and sunnah and decided upon, is simply whether they convert or declare that they're atheist; if they do that then the penalty is death.

So here is your problem in a nut shell: if you want to be authoritative then you go with the mainstream sunni scholarly consensus; if you go with the mainstream sunni scholarly consensus then you end up with jurisprudence which is regressive, appalling and antithetical to enlightened, liberal, western values like gender equality , freedom of religion, freedom of speech and separation of church and state.  You can't be both islamically authoritative and in agreement with the values of liberal, western society without watering down Islam and adopting fringe, non-mainstream, non-authoritative, liberal positions. 
I mean  since you make parallels to the stanford  encyclopedia of philosophy, what would happen if Al Azhar university were to make the Al Azhar encyclopedia of islam?
What would most of the scholars there say about legal marriage rights for men and women? About what the punishment for converting away from Islam is?  If you want to accomplish both being islamically authoritative and not in opposition to fundamental, core, western values then surely it's just going to be an exercise in cognitive dissonance and dishonesty. Infact, I imagine you would have trouble answering this question honestly without putting your mission statement or funding at risk.

Is there anything I have gotten wrong here? Even if you create a nuanced interpretation where you say something along the lines of "but lets leave virtually all legal discretion to Siyasa, much grey area"  that still isn't going to be what the mainstream of orthodox sunni scholars endorse.

Hi engageformation, thank you for your thoughtful query, you clearly know this space and I hope I can answer your questions to satisfaction!

tldr; beauty of the internets is that communities can define their own belief sets on the platform, authority comes from the structure of the project being broad and gets bigger with each ideology we add (!)

In taking from the SEP we wanted to focus on editorialised crowdsourcing, so the Foundation or sub-communities could commission pieces etc rather than it being a free for all, here is an article describing some of the elements: https://qz.com/480741/this-free-online-encyclopedia-has-achieved-what-wikipedia-can-only-dream-of/

However, what we are trying to achieve with Ananas has some subtle differences that are not captured in the current white paper, but will be in the updated version ahead of the main sale as we needed to stress test certain elements, just as we have only now finalised the Anacoin token economics: https://medium.com/ananas-blog/tokenomics-building-a-token-economy-for-peace-af62ef2f3f32 .

The white paper also simplified some things (it is possible for the Pope not to be Catholic (!) although we used it there as a tautology).

It is important to determine what this project wants to do.

If you read our thoughts, we are aiming to move as many people as possible off "Mount Stupid" and give individuals the tools they need to navigate their own ideologies and those of others.

The goal is not to say "This is the only version of Islam" or this is the "correct" interpretation for Islam or any other ideology, but to encapsulate the plurality of belief structures.

Note there is nothing here about being in agreement with the values of liberal, western society (although as Fukuyama predicted illiberal democracy is on the rise).

This is not for the Foundation to call, but to respect the diversity of thought and the correct data/incentive structure to allow them to organise themselves and their data.

Thus there are three structures being built in the Ananas project:

1. The decentralized unstructured/lightly structured space.

Here you need to jump through some hoops and potentially use Anacoins to access (tbd) but is where any Anacoin holder can commission pieces to be written and reward collation of pieces on any area. So a Hanafi could have a piece here on the usage of analogy within their jurisprudence specifically for example. An Islamophobe could commission a piece on "Taqiya".. This data is interlinked in effective ontologies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology_(information_science)

2. The community

This is where individuals interested in this project come together in multiple levels

a. Researchers/scholars/lay people helping with 1.
b. Community helpers who want to help in various ways, including helping
c. Individuals from these groups and outside who have genuine questions they want answered in a structured way have a human to help them. For those within a tradition, eg Muslims, it can be connecting them to other Muslims

Apologetics (where groups attack each other) get their own arena to combat

3. Structured "consumer" data

This one of our "one neat tricks". Groups from each community (for example Hanafi, Reconstruction Jewish, Tea Party Conservative) can come together to build data sets from the lightly structured data to reflect the beliefs of their own community.

So, for example, the "traditional" Sunni schools of thought would have their own data set with stronger linkages, that is then presented through consumer applications like the Living Quran (which as you might be able to guess is the first building block to a larger data set consisting of scripture, interpretation, private actions and community actions).

The Quran is a nice place to start and where you need to start before moving up to those additional layers, but doing so in a structured way with a common data format can yield some very interesting results..

Thus a member of the Hanafi school in the subcontinent (presumably Maturidi in theology) could choose to access the Quran from their perspective, looking through that data set in a consumer friendly way, but choose to dig into more depth on their ideology either through the community or unstructured data set, or access ideologies of others (you can do some interesting stuff if you know peoples contexts)

The broadness of multiple data sets (encouraged by financial incentives and/or a technological arms race) in a common format are what lend authoritativeness, as opposed to saying this is the way things must be, which will never work.

In classical Sunni Islam (which I would be happy to discuss in more detail, perhaps off this forum, it has some extra nuances), the key concepts for watering down hate (imo) and moving people off mount stupid are ikhtilaf (reasonable disagreement), shubha (reasonable doubt) and a bit more rigour on ijma (consensus - for example, does Imam Abu Hanifa's take on alcohol not from grapes or dates impact Hanafi consensus?).

This model of authority reflects the epistemology of our modern age - when we want an answer, we go to Google or Wikipedia, which respectively rank on backlinks and "objectivity".

This project focuses on "objective subjectivity", allowing each group and community to define their own ontologies.

Thus for IS for example, as the tool builds it will be a big blow to them even at the Quran step, but then it would be sensible to gradually build full fatwa construction/deconstruction tools for scholars and researchers with respect to primary text probability and contextual analysis, blockchained ijazas and all sorts of other fun things.. This is especially important as fatwa are fundamentally time situational constructs within the Sunni construction, but are taken as something else due to lack of contextual analysis ability.

Siyasa (secular Islamic law (really)) has changed through the years, particularly after Ibn Taymiyyah reconceptualised it as Siyasa Shariah, but it is not relevant here as (we think) for our mission it is sufficient to provide the tools for individuals and communities to make it difficult for extremist elements to claim supremacy and these tools will steadily grow if we crack the equation in utility.. A true reflection of the actual application of hadd would be a nice side effect of this project, as would a better appreciation of the nuances of siyasa, I'm quite partial to Asifa Quraishi-Landes work on Islamic constitutionalism for an example of where Muslim countries currently misapplying "Islamic" laws could do better, but that is for them to decide.

Thus the 'Al Azhar Encyclopedia' could well use our infrastructure and indeed if everyone else is doing so, would be putting their ontologies in a common format (remember Islam is just first, this is a flexible system).

Designing the system in this way also means anyone can contribute to the platform value so funding sources are not restricted and ultimately the primary control is not on the part of the platform 1, but the Foundation controlling 2. and 3. in terms of the formation of individuals from each community to best represent them.

If there is a split in the community, the data set can be easily split too, something not possible before. For the consumer part we will not approve any community where you need to pay for enlightenment or has active encouragement of violence against others based on their beliefs as part of their ontology.

We are trying to be as honest and transparent as possible and if you think there is merit in what we are doing (hard road!), please do join us on slack  (http://slack.anacoin.io)or information@ananas.org.uk

I see anacoin has a very good development, this project has a good plan, hopefully keep going well, very good anacoin, I will join, soon.

This project has an interesting concept, working to make the world better is a nice Idea to make, since now there are more and more awful things happened around the world, and keep continue for a long time.
Good luck with the project.

Many thanks Rengganis, Castiloros, we will do our best! Please keep an eye on us and spread the word  8)

Thank you for your very long response. My impressions of what you meant by authoritative, what similarities you envision with the SEP and what your goal was were incorrect.

If your goal is to get people off mount stupid, then am I right in thinking that your product does not aim to counter  non-stupid islamophobia or non-stupid islamic beliefs approaching extremism?

On your twitter you've said something like "we should not make an opponent out of conservative islam" , but I don't see why we as western non-muslims shouldn't see  mainstream, conservative Islam which is representative of normal practice and preaching of islam in muslim majority countries around the world (http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/) as a threat to core western liberal values and way of life.  Unless these people assimilate and lose the Islamic values and beliefs they possess which are in opposition to liberal values then as they start forming larger %s in european countries they will want those european countries to accommodate their core values and norms more and more. When muslims form say 30% or 40% or 50% of a european country there is a significant risk that they will form and vote for a muslim-brotherhood like party that will try to change that european country's legal system and norms to become closer to that of a muslim majority country like egypt or jordan or pakistan or afghanistan. There isn't good reason to believe that with the current course being set by european countries this possibility does not have a significant chance of occurring. We might within our lifetime see a northern european county make gay marriage or even homosexuality illegal again as a result of rapid muslim mass immigration and fast breeding, how would you and your team feel about that?

Are your non-muslim team members aware of and happy with this? I could imagine your non-muslim chairman or cto having misgivings about creating a space that will go towards reaffirming for instance that blasphemers and muslims who become atheists or followers of another religion should be imprisoned or put to death  , especially at a time in the world where this is regularly carried out both by official legal systems in islamic countries and by zealous muslims extra-judicially.

Also, since IslamQA.com already gives a range of mainstream scholarly intepretations (with reference to quran and hadith) when answering a question, such that their answers on say gambling or divorce cover most of the mainstream sphere of sunni belief systems , are you not worried that they already have captured the niche of ordinary muslims wanting answers to questions, and it will only be muslims interested in the fringe opinions and groups that IslamQA does not represent that will be more interested in your platform?

Hi engageformation,

There are a few elements of your response I'd like to touch on.

The beauty of western liberal democracy is that it allows for a range of expression and beliefs unless they specifically contravene the nation's laws or actively seek to impose their beliefs on others by force (which typically contravenes laws, but not always). The team agrees on this.

This is my position as a believer in multiculturalism (others are free to disagree if they prefer homogeneity).

This also means that any individual is free to criticise other ideologies : this is not what I count as Islamophobia (although erudition and actually bothering to do the research is good in this regard). Indeed, I criticise myself certain aspects such as modern (mis)application of hadd punishments. What I count as Islamophobia is hate towards Muslims on account of their faith, manifesting in harassment, violence and a curbing of their civil liberties.

If a populace wishes to elect an Erdogan or a Morsi, they are free to do so under a fair democratic system, just as they are free to elect a Duda, Duterte or Trump.

Given each of these individuals have indications of distinct illiberalism and this is where a country's institutions must come in to preserve civil liberties and stop the oppression of minorities (the majority of course having voted for another course..).

The spreading menace example you have outlined is true of all illberal political elements (indeed, one key mutation has been the interaction of reconstructionist Islam with western philosophy, eg Ayatollah Khomenei and Plato..), but the history of Islamic application and breadth of positioning and resonable doubt (shubahat) formation belies that Sunni Islam at its core is necessarily what it has been painted to be.

For example, things have been getting worse and worse for the LGBT community in Poland, a rather anti-Muslim country, with even Nobel Prize winer Lech Wałęsa saying LGBT members of parliament should be segregated and pride marches banned etc. Similarly you can see the Russian gay propaganda laws, reinforcement of Section 377 in India and elements in many other countries.

A focus on increasing "Muslimness" is particularly curious given the categorisations individuals who are Sunni apply to themselves and there have been no studies I have ever seen that increase religiousity (measured any way you like) leads to increased political action, violence, or breaking the law.

There have been studies showing strong disapproval of homosexuality amongst Muslim populations (although curiously its decreasing sharply in US Muslims), but this is not abnormal amongst conservative religions. Historically Islam's relationship with homosexuality (non public, but the old days were not good times for LGBT) was complex, Shahab Ahmed's What is Islam discusses this well, even if I don't agree with parts of his central thesis.

With regards to IslamQA.com, a very popular Muslim website, this is a prime example of why a resource like Ananas is needed.

What are the qualifications of Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid? What schools does he have ijaza (authority/accreditation) to deliver fatwa in? Who does he represent?

IslamQA is based on one strand of Islam which is practiced by under 2% of global Muslims, the Salafi minhaj, which objectively rejects the classical four school (madhab, Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki, Hanbali) structure.

Salafi Islam is, oddly enough, Sunni Islam's reform movement, but at the puritan stage. It can not therefore reflect the opinions and methodology of the majority of Sunni Muslim jurists by definition as a it is theoretically a deconstructionist version of Islam, but in reality has a set series of popular positions based on a new epistemology.

But the average Muslim or non-Muslim would not know that.

I should also note that the positions articulated on IslamQA do not reflect the positions of the main Salafi nation, Saudi Arabia, where the Council of Senior Scholars have been the only individuals to be authorised to deliver fatwa according to the Saudi Salafi methodology since 2010.

Thus the positions of IslamQA do not necessarily that of Saudi Arabia. In particular Saudi salafism is fully quietist, ie apolitical (it is not a theocracy), even with movements like the sahwa.

Ananas helps solve a lot of issues here as individuals can contact community members or get resources from their local methodology of thought, starting with the Quran, versus necessarily just having to go to IslamQA where they get a mishmash of not always coherent or comprehensive analysis (note there are several instances of multiple usul mixage there, even though it is ostensibly Hanbali/Salafi in minhaj).

The way that we have constructed the platform, it will be significantly more rigorous as it grows than IslamQA (although again initial focus is just Quran), which if you are correct is a small group of individuals outside of the traditional system that have somehow become the go to place for a billion Muslims who have been bought up in that traditional system.

That should be worrying.

It should also be noted that even according to mainstream Sunni thought, you can say that the "agreed upon" positions are reflected by cross school primers like Ibn Rushd's Bidayat al Mujtahid or Ibn Qudama's Mughni, but all scholars are in agreement that fatwa are issue specific, temporal constructs, which is why you have multiple hiearchies of jurists and guidelines to issuance.

This is also why, until the last hundred years, you have seen the separation of siyasa and Shariah, with exceptionally high evidenciary standards to hadd (those severe) punishments: the legislative bench is simply too narrow to define a nations laws, except perhaps in the Maliki and Hanafi schools given some of the key methodologies there. Hanbali and Shafi jurisprudence certainly aren't suited to this.

Again, this resource will go a long way to clarifying some of these issues with regards to coherent application of things like blasphemy, as I discussed above, as well as hopefully combating extra-judicial elements.

The history of Islam isn't spotless, but there is a reason there were Yazidis in Iraq for thousands of years until ISIS came along, in contrast to the religion wars and homogeneity of Europe (cuius regio, eius religio etc).

So the questions are:

Will the Ananas platform be additive or subtractive to its stated mission?

Will it be of net benefit to the world or a net negative?

Given there are clearly negative elements of both Islam and other ideologies, religious, political and otherwise, causing increasing ideological divides and hate, does this have any chance at helping to bridge this gap for even a few?

I have not seen anything in your contestations against these premises (which I do not believe to be strawmen).

Thus far I have seen:

1. A belief mainstream Islam is reflected by IslamQA
2. Mainstream Islam is immutably illberal, sexist etc
3. A belief an increasing Islamic population will turn Europe illiberal and theocratic and shift its norms, particularly due to faster breeding an immigration

It would appear that Ananas can help with all of these and as other ideologies come online help better integrate Muslims with others as they can, for example, view Judaism from the perspective of Islam as opposed to learning about it through conspiracy theories.

A contention could be that Ananas would promote Islam, but the structure is such that as communities from other ideologies form and are approved they have access to teh exact same resources, which ultimately lays all the information and contexts standardised in data terms and bare..

I don't see how this project can help to eliminate hate. You don't need money to make good deeds, you collect money to become rich :)
There's Bible Coin with very interesting concept. And dev doesn't ask for money at all!

Bible Coin is an interesting project that is asking for your electricity to do good deeds  ;D

The project needs capital to build the infrastructure for the community and, more importantly, the information infrastructure and taxonomy.

The token structure allows for all contributors, information, technical and community based to participate in the growth of this platform.

Our targets are not excessive versus some of the pie in the sky projects out there, with more immediate value than most just by bringing together liked minded individuals.

The team and advisors do not get any tokens until the following two conditions are both met (see here for full details: https://medium.com/ananas-blog/tokenomics-building-a-token-economy-for-peace-af62ef2f3f32):

1. A year has passed

2. The total Anacoin market cap is over $100 million and daily traded value (30 day average) exceeds $1 million a day, a 10x increase on our initial target market cap of $10 million post launch and $5m cap at presale, at which point 25% (2% of initial 10 million) are released, with the remainder (6%) released above $500 million market cap and $10 million a day traded.

Thus we only get coins when participants in the presale have seen their coin value go up by a factor of 2,000% and only get all our coins once they have  seen a 10,000% increase.

Which we think is quite reasonable! (please see our token economy piece linked above).

This project helps combat hate by allowing people to navigate and understand their ideologies and those of others better using cutting edge technology and behavioural science. It narrows the range of places extremists can hide.

After the Living Quran we expect that a dedicated community of Christians will use the Ananas platform for the Living Bible, free for all to use  8)

Anacoin has a good development, what else to worry about? Let the difference persists
Anacoin has high stability

Thank you Adarwis :)

Our latest update, check out our video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlB3Mfe75Nk

great video information mate it will bring new hype for those who will going to watch this I think ANA will get some interest, while waiting
for its token sale, just needed more good updates from this project and lets your supporter learn more about your plan.

Thank you ardentvolcanoes for your kind words :) Ananas has updates and press lined up over the coming weeks, happy to have your support.

We are delighted to announce that we are now a part of the Nvidia Inception Artificial Intelligence Program.

https://icotracker.net/project/anacoin

Interesting crypto project.  Good idea for a peace coin in this current age of hatred.

Thank you cryptocronic :)

Few updates to the website, hope it helps :)

http://anacoin.io/

After careful consideration from google we are delighted to announce that the Ananas foundation has been accepted for the following programs from google!:

- Google Ad grants
- Youtube Not for profit program


"THE ANANAS FOUNDATION is a recipient of a Google Ad Grants award. The Google Ad Grants program supports registered nonprofit organizations that share Google's philosophy of community service to help the world in areas such as science and technology, education, global public health, the environment, youth advocacy, and the arts. Google Ad Grants is an in-kind advertising program that awards free online advertising to nonprofits via Google AdWords."

"We're pleased to inform you that THE ANANAS FOUNDATION has been selected to participate in the YouTube Nonprofit program: http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits!"

Our advisors are on the website, check them out :)

Introducing our advisory board!

Adam Rodman- a hedge fund manager and one of Forbes 30 under 30
Dr Myriam Francois - a writer, broadcaster, academic, and international news correspondent on Middle Eastern politics
Quadri Oshibotu- a tech savvy product and operations expert
Muddassar Ahmed- a director of the European Network of (US State Dept) American Alumni, the Institute of Rural Management & Faith’s Forum for London.
Amin Elkholy- AI expert within the crypto space
Beryl Li Chavez- Blockchain advisor, CEO of blockchain startup CapchainX that was recently in the TechCrunch July London pitch off

See their profiles here: https://ananas.org.uk/

A good concept about this new cripto, and also there is anyone who I think they ca't checked for any place without security.

thanks cewekimut

https://issuu.com/icocrowd/docs/ico_crowd_magazine__issue_one__sept

Featured on page 84 and 85

Cheers!

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/zeena-qureshi-on-her-mission-to-combat-terrorism-with-an-interactive-koran-app-a3628986.html#comments

landing page for sign ups : anacoin.io

Latest white paper: https://docsend.com/view/8bvjewh

I'm curious how this will develop. This coin is interesting and has an interesting future. Only what I please - do not add your coin to liqui exchange - which has a bad reputation.

Ok, so what's the purpose of the project? In a nutshell.

Thanks!

Hi friends.
our Thread has been updated. now we have more and better details and information about our project.

you can read our whitepaper for even more details and information: http://ananas.org.uk

hi can you please clarify about the bounty allocation?

why is that in this ANN thread, you said you allocate 2% for bounties..




but on the other hand, why is that in the bounty thread only 1.5%?



where is the .5%? where did it go?

The math is a bit wrong there, it should be 1.5% bounty at $0.02 a coin. The coins allocated per campaign are listed in the bounty thread. There was a coin split between bounty start and now that doubled $ amount of bounty from $150,000 to $300,000.

The remaining 0.5% is for sale costs. Anything left over from this will be used for bug bounties on platform.

Why team Developer not make pre-sell ICO ?
would not it be better to introduce the project within the ideal time to understand ?
total token supply is ideal and commensurate with the price offered.

Hey! My congratulations with the good news! Should admit I have mixed feelings about your project... It's a great mission and a brave statement, the concept has a future for sure, but I'd prefer to see more specifics, and look at a strategy for realizing your big idea. In any case, good luck. I'll think about joining.

Most likely this project will be followed by many people, looking at the names and posts listed above may be very good and can make people interested and many investors who like it, hopefully this ANACOIN will sell in the market good luck team

Hi finles_ceo

Thanks for inquiring.

We are working to reduce the division of hate by providing information behind different belief systems from the globe's perspectives. People can visit the platform to read, learn, explore, or even add content to promote peace and understanding.
Here's Ananas in a nutshell: https://medium.com/ananas-blog/the-ananas-project-bd1e77641c0e


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How to join anacoin bounty?

Crowdsale is LIVE today! Check it out at http://anacoin.io/ and here's a video on how they work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIAC-nNHsNE




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Joined on this biggest bounties program... :D

Hi Wirosableng212,

You can find the bounty campaign here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2176623.0;topicseen

Thanks for your interest!

Ananas is starting it's advisor blog post series where we introduce each advisor and tell everyone about them and why they chose Ananas.

First up is Adam Rodman.

https://medium.com/ananas-blog/ananas-advisor-series-introducing-adam-rodman-b7f03596d5e3

Thank you bheem0

How to join your bounty? What are the terms?

I see the dev responsible in this project has moved to a very experienced dev.
surely I'm sure this project will be successful in a very long time ;)

Why can not I see myself in the bounty of a company like I've been there for a long time already, maybe a bug

 
Hi there Orbitlense,
 
That's fully understandable, it's a lot to take in and frankly we're doing some unconventional things :) Let me know if you want more information. I'm in charge of strategy and still suffering from academic thinking so even if you wouldn't ask for it - I'd probably throw lots of specifics at you. Just let me know what you're curious about!

The latest blog post from the Ananas advisor series: https://medium.com/ananas-blog/ananas-advisor-series-introducing-quadri-oshibotu-f3b7a7303a09

Whoa, nice job Nelson4lov!

I'd like to bring you the latest blog post from the Ananas advisor series, blockchain advisor and CEO of CapchainX, Beryl Li Chavez https://medium.com/ananas-blog/ananas-advisor-series-introducing-beryl-li-chavez-3c77f15ac3aa

Today's advisor post in the Ananas advisor series is Professor Tom Kosnik of Stanford University.

https://medium.com/ananas-blog/ananas-advisor-series-introducing-tom-kosnik-47366e2d7cba

I like your ideas! Many new coin projects are popping up this month but many fail to develop well in the market, hopefully this project can be successful and can compete in the market.

I'd agree with you on that. Unlike other platforms that are vaporwares, The Ananas Foundation uses modern technology and behavioural science to help defuse negative ideologies and promote positive ones. This is a complex project made possible by the emergence of blockchain technology and token economics through a Platform-wide cryptocurrency token, the Anacoin ($ANAT)

I as a Muslim are very proud of a project like this.
Our first project, the Living Quran, will tackle the rise of Islamic extremism and Islamophobia. In time, we will map all of the world’s major texts, from the Quran to the Bible, from philosophies to the US Constitution, and distill the shared essence that is our human nature.
Our Living Quran project allows people to dig into the core text of Islam. With the help from knowledgeable individuals, religious communities are empowered to reclaim ownership of their holy text, and society is liberated from a dependence on biased sources and emotional volatility.
We believe this will lead people to make better informed decisions about their own beliefs, by providing contextualized and authoritative information, that prevents distortion and exploitation of ignorance.

same as me, we as muslin do not want to look for enemy, and why most europe people regard muslim as killer to be eradicated ?? this is not fair to us
I hope with this anacoin project can eliminate the phobia of Islam for all humanity and mutual respect, one another

i want to join the bounty please?

Hello, All Anacoin related bounty details/information can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2176623.0

Hi everyone,

Here's the latest post from the Ananas team: https://medium.com/ananas-blog/our-shared-mission-to-create-a-better-tomorrow-3c69dcb1f343

All about our mission for a better tomorrow  :)

hopefully what you say is true, with this anacoin project can make everyone aware of the importance of respecting all people who are different religion.
I am Muslim and I am at all times trying to respect people of different religion. So hopefully this project gets support from big investor investors.   

Latest blog post introducing Ananas advisor Dr Myriam Francois

https://medium.com/ananas-blog/ananas-advisor-series-introducing-myriam-francois-d9fdc7473a0d

Indonesia  whitepaper : https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwkJPnYIQmHOc0ZBOGtGT3hObVU/view?usp=sharing

Let's hope for the best for Anacoin!!!  :)

Check out Ananas's ecosytem and latest tech post! and stay tuned for the public sale that starts tomorrow!!!!

https://medium.com/ananas-blog/the-technology-behind-ananas-fe65c9169058

On why Anacoin: https://medium.com/ananas-blog/anacoin-turning-good-into-gold-with-cryptocurrency-1d4ab7783a68

Let us know if you have any questions!!!!

What it's like to work at Ananas:

https://medium.com/ananas-blog/from-academia-to-the-world-of-start-ups-my-experience-as-a-brain-scientist-at-ananas-e85908f2df99

Done by amazing Viky Neacsu

Thanks Viky

Hi there,

Do we have the info to add this token to Myetherwallet such Contract address, token name, decimal? TIA

We are proud to announce that our public token sale is OPEN and we welcome you to embark on this new opportunity! You will be able to purchase Anacoin in either Ether and/or by card payment.

Click here for sale: http://bit.ly/Anasale

We will be selling with a soft cap of $1.5 million and a hard cap of $3 million. The sale will then end on the 20th October 2017 at midnight (GMT+1).

The Ananas team will be holding an AMA on Reddit today the 10th of October 2017 at 6:00 P.M (GMT+1). This will be an excellent opportunity to clarify any questions you may have for us.

Click here for AMA: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/

Thanks!

Zeena
CEO

Also, did I mention my Co-founder Emad Mostaque, who is also Co-CIO of Capricorn Fund Managers will be speaking at London’s first large ICO conference tomorrow?

This will be on Wednesday the 11th of October 2017. 

Topics Emad will be speaking about are:
•    How to diversify token investments
•    What characteristics will attract institutional inflows
•    What will drive token price and correlations to other assets

Cheers!

Hi BountyHunter004, this will be provided between 30th October and final distribution on 16th November. Many thanks

where can i get about information this topics ?
can you share link or other ?

The conference details are here: https://icoeventuk.com/en

50% discount code ICOGB50

I will be writing a post on the topics I cover after the conference

Hi everyone,

Thank you so much for tuning in and supporting us. Yesterday's ICO event was amazing, and our friend at Wirex has uploaded the talks that can be found on their fb pages and blog.

Best,

Zeena

Nice to see a progressive project :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL2j18GWAAAEy6r.jpg

Picture of my last slide from yesterday's presentation, full version of which can be found here: http://bit.ly/wowpresan

Much wow.

thanks info sir why dev no update news or update link bounty ?
are you ok dev?

Dev's are dev'ing (!). We have had to iron out a number of things and will be making an announcement this weekend based on feedback :)

The bounty will finish on the 16th as scheduled with Coin allocation between the 30th October and 16th November. All bounties will be calculated 16th October to 30th October from final tally, the amount of bots has been quite insane (!)

More news soon.

this is for first time i see ICO with concept cryptocurrency for peace more better and different but how to see about progress your crowdsale, i am not see on your website how much amount already collect so far  ;D

syarifbitcoinishack thank you for your lovely words. Here's an update on us in our latest blog post:

https://medium.com/ananas-blog/ananas-update-16-10-17-806fbb7e2c28

Anyone interested in our progress can read here :)

Thanks!

Our latest post about our Philosophy and our Vision written by our very own Marco :)

Marco's goes into depth from a perspective dear to him and is happy to share this with everyone. To find out what gets Marco up in the morning, please check out the following link:

https://medium.com/ananas-blog/when-the-problem-and-solution-are-the-same-b58cf970a49f

Hi dev, I can not see anything a about the progress of the ICO, necause nothing information about the total sold of tokens and fund rised, can you add in to your ICO web the information?

I agree with you dude we need more information on what happen in the crowd sales, is this project success or failed? I'm supporting this project from beginning until the end I hope we can see update from Dev as soon as possible.

hay dev, where market listed for ana coin?

I have joined bounty for Twitter Facebook and article posting. But due to absence I am not able to submit forms how participations. Now I am trying to submit form but no entries are accepted. I apologize for it.

My Twitter profile is https://twitter.com/Digital_Bitcoin
My facebook profile link is https://facebook.com/abhijit.kale

I have make post on my blog check link at https://coinsinfo.xyz/token/anacoin-anat-ananas-foundation-peace-through-technology/

I have also perform twitter and facebook tasks. It can be trackable.

My request is kindly consider my activities for bounty rewards.

I think this project has long worked and until now the project is still not completed
mungikin the development of the project a bit of trouble in terms of looking for investors and I hope that the project is more active in the ico of the project

Thank you all for your inquiries.

As you all know, Ananas launched its crowdsale on Monday October 9th. We have been accepting both ETH and non ETH payments. The Crowdsale is still in progress.

In response to considerable feedback we are rolling out the Anacoin smart contract based on industry-leading standards shortly to give full assurance. Subscriptions to this smart contract will be open until the 16th November, when all tokens will unlock on schedule.

All those that have contributed so far will be receiving a 10% bonus on tokens as a thank you. These Anacoins are coming from an allocation of $50,000 that we set aside for one of the original foundations who funded our research, who have gifted these Anacoins back to the Ananas Foundation.

Also in case you missed it, here's a piece on Hackernoon on 'Using cryptoeconomics to bridge divisions'

https://hackernoon.com/using-cryptoeconomics-to-bridge-divisions-1d707806d66c?source=email-ab805da33824-1507916554601-activity.collection_post_published

Simple Supply and Demand

https://medium.com/ananas-blog/our-coin-sale-in-plain-english-f5d0b2d692ca

TOKEN SALE REOPENS 9PM BST!

Check out our latest update and awesome news  8)

https://medium.com/ananas-blog/token-sale-reopens-2cb1c2c76c2d

ICO Hotel published Anacoin https://icohotel.com/news/Cryptocurrencies/anacoin:-peace-through-technology

Ananas fighting hate and misinformation in TechCrunch

Check us out! https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/24/can-a-cryptocurrency-be-used-to-fight-hate-speech-fake-news-and-divisive-politics/

why you reopen the crowdsale ? i check on https://etherscan.io/address/0x30D0842a3d9Ac9D7a46bD8A8DD093CB72bC9B4A5 you just received 5.9 ETH with 8 transaction. i have more question, when your platform will be launch and when your crowdsale will ends ?

Hi there, please see https://medium.com/ananas-blog/token-sale-reopens-2cb1c2c76c2d

We paused our sale after extensive feedback to implement a smart contract solution and engaged the great guys at www.chainstarter.co.uk to handle that side of things, reopening it once in place.

The platform will launch by next summer hopefully, with the community portion launching in the next month.

This period of crowdsale will end December 4th 2017.

This was obviously a big blow to momentum, but we have a huge lineup of announcements and press in the works, including Huffington Post and Techcrunch today alone:

https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/24/can-a-cryptocurrency-be-used-to-fight-hate-speech-fake-news-and-divisive-politics/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fighting-hate-and-extremism-the-living-quran_uk_5a15b6f8e4b009b331ad76ab

We have also received grants from Google, Microsoft, IBM and others with more in the pipeline to build the platform regardless.

Given a great interdisciplinary team from Oxford, UCL, Stanford and others, multiple PhDs, solid partners, backers and unique token economics we hope we can deliver a project that provides a real difference without requiring technological breakthroughs like some others.

A coin based upon ideology to promote peace, not realising that practicly every war has been waged due to some ideology, especially the islam ideology. You might want to read up on history or better yet even turn on the 8 o'clock news for that matter. Also how are you going to achieve peace? What, you are going to keep giving anyone preaching hate these coins? As long as there are people that want to control there never will be such a thing as peace. This coin is just another concept of SJWs delirium that is severely lacking any form of sense of reality as if that part of their brain has ceased to exist. Keep repeating nice words like peace because it sounds good and moralistic while contributing nothing whatsoever to it in actuality.

Dear Zandar,

You might want to read our whitepaper or the recent Techcrunch or Huffington Post coverage:

https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/24/can-a-cryptocurrency-be-used-to-fight-hate-speech-fake-news-and-divisive-politics/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fighting-hate-and-extremism-the-living-quran_uk_5a15b6f8e4b009b331ad76ab

This platform is designed to combat those that want to control and warp narratives, be they conservative or liberal, by mapping what communities across the spectrum really believe using data science and incentivised/curated by cryptocurrency.

If you believe that nothing can be done to incrementally improve the situation, then so be it.

If you think the situation needs to change and anything that can help build bridges as others try to divide society, then take a close look at what we're doing and the background of our team in predicting, analysing and dealing with extremism and hate of all types.

We are not pushing any specific ideology, but we are pushing the well researched belief that when you can contextually understand others you generally tend to fear/hate them less.

I like the idea... I like the project but where's the value in the coin? someone else said it, too, seems like something you can do for free on google.  I'm not trying to be negative. I do see potential..

nice very well explained. Promoting for peace is a very noble thing to do. thumbs up

 ::)

Still no available orders in etherdelta as many bounty participants received their rewards. I think everybody beleive in the success of this project and will hold their coins as much as possible. We would like to hear from investors as well from the team, that we can track the developpment progress. Any information about the total supply and the crowdsle results?

Yes this coin have a good potential because this project was unique among other ico I believe in peace of anacoin but why theres no update how many token there sale.
I also received my reward for bounty campaign I hold anacoin until it will list in other exchange site now etherdelta have no sell/buy order.

Hi Ankara,

We spent a considerable amount of time constructing the token economics of Anacoin to be a unique membership/sponsorship asset that increases in demand as the price increases and is driven by increasing demand and decreasing available supply as more communities join the platform.

Anacoins are given to contributors by the Foundation or communities who purchase them, eg to sponsor prizes for resource creation or to reward active community members. As ERC-20 tokens they will be exchangeable for any currency with ease once they are hopefully trading regularly next year.

Now we can look at the other side: why would anyone buy Anacoin? What's the demand?

The primary use of Anacoin is to sponsor resources.

Practically, this means you can sponsor a verse of the Bible, Qu'ran or even constitution, with the top three sponsors receiving special status (auction style) for a year on the platform and those who do a minimum sponsorship also get status.

Sponsorships are per language so, for example, there are 6,236 verses available for sponsorship in Turkish. There are additional bonuses for sponsoring entire chapters or every verse.

Sponsoring a verse doesn't 'cost' Anacoins, but instead locks them up for 1-3 years, with rewards for higher holding periods.

Amounts of Anacoins locked up are also aggregated on a community basis, so you can see, for example, that Catholics are supporting the Living Bible with 5 million Anacoins whereas the Mormons have 6 million of sponsorship.

This does not inform strict governance, but it does guide the Foundation as to where we should focus.

There is a second form of sponsorship, which are auctions for chapters, eg surah of the Quran. These are lifetime donations in exchange for huge status as, for example, the Living Quran will include every other digital resource that can be found.

We anticipate governments, institutions and high net worth individuals will be involved in these auctions, where bidding in Anacoins gives a hefty discount for the winning bid. Half of the proceeds from these auctions go toward buying Anacoins in the open market.

Sponsorships are unique digital assets backed with a hardware key that can be resold with the permission of the Foundation, who receive half the profits. Given the most expensive rare pepe is a few million dollars now this could be huge.


Anacoins are also used in the data construction platform, where communities, liberal to conservative, pick and choose resources and views that represent them in increasing complexity (which is why we are using hyper-relational databases & AI). You need to stake yourself up with Anacoins to enter this area and submit resources, providing a level of troll protection as Anacoins are lost if you break the rules.

When a community has packaged all these up, they can submit a curated data set for our custom consumer apps (Living Qu'ran, Bible, Constitution etc), for which they need to stake further Anacoins as a "proof of stake", potentially being able to draw from the pool of staked coins in the verse/community level.

This also makes sense in regards to the "price" of staking for content, as the basics of every community are simple, but as time goes by and more is mapped, it becomes increasingly complex, requiring higher and higher rewards. Curated content resources also become more verified as leaders of each respective real life community get a chance to sign off on them, becoming a community resource.

The concept of all of this is incentive alignment.

Clearly a lot of people would like to have a comprehensive, dynamic, end platform where they can reliably access digital and real life resources of their own community and others if they like.

Standardising the support element and having people see the value of hodling aligns all sorts of different groups to build a platform for everyone, even if they primarily use it and the tools they provide for their own community.

Locking up increasing amounts of Anacoins as more and more communities join the platform means that there is huge incentive to join it early and strong competition between groups in a "tech arms race" while creating a free to use community resource for the world.

As the price moves up, the incentive to hodl increases further, much as Ethereum and Bitcoin engender pseudo-religious fervour (this is known as the endowment effect).

There is more explanation on our blog, whitepaper and video on www.anacoin.io

If this works it provides a model that allows projects like ours to create commons while rewarding all participants and steering clear of the strings that often come with funding.

Also, Google only gives information, we are building a platform for knowledge with full context.

You'll be able to tap on any verse of a scripture and see how its perceived by your group or any other group, or even talk to people from any group.

You can also access the broader space of resources for your community and others from any perspective, with the information provided dynamically and reliably, with the ability to dig into as much or as little depth as possible.

As an example of what this can achieve, we believe in a few years you will be able to learn about Islam from the perspective of Catholicism or vice versa (as the system will know roughly what you know already).

You'll also be able to use the system to create knowledge maps of how political policies differ, from objective to subjective assumptions.

It really messes with extremists as it allows for their incoherent world views to be deconstructed, derailing radicalisation (already radicalised individuals are very hard to deradicalise). You will literally be able to say here is what 1.8 billion Muslims believe, graphically, and here are the extremists out there on their own because they fundamentally disagree on x, y, z and so are apart.

Google can't do that, it just shows you links based on how many people backlink to pages, which is fine for what it is (note we have received grants from Google and will likely be working increasingly closely with them as well as other leading tech companies).

We will be posting an update on Monday ahead of the last week of the public sale.

We have:

- More international press than all but the largest token sales, all of it positive
- Funders/donors including Google, Microsoft, IBM, US hedge fund manager Mark Hart & renowned philanthropist & leading life strategist Tony Robbins
- A multidisciplinary, easily verifiable team with relevant expertise from Oxford, Stanford, Imperial and UCL amongst others
- Fantastic partners on every part of the platform to support the team
- A token economic model where rising token costs actually increase the use of the platform and factors like velocity have been factored in
- Industry leading team vesting where we don't get coins (unless we buy them!) until the price goes from $0.02 to $0.10, with full unlocking at $0.50, aligning us too (!)
- A strong ethics focus with the first ethics section in a whitepaper
- Leading governance as a UK-registered charity
- Achievable targets in terms of rolling out a platform in the next year that can immediately help a lot of people and long-term help literally billions

I'm not sure why we haven't sold out yet given a (relatively) modest $1.5 million total raise in the public sale.

Quite a few of those behind the $3.8 million pledged in the whitelist period were annoyed over the smart contracts, but nobody's ether was at risk and
e think we have a great solution in place now and are issuing tokens to be used shortly for their intended purposes once distribution complete.

We have a stack of new partnerships, major press & announcements in the coming weeks, so its probably just a case of this project hitting a tipping point and then shooting off.

If we don't sell out by December 4th we will likely freeze unsold coins and just get to executing the platform as thankfully we have multiple other funding sources. We think the token will be great in our platform but token sales are hard if you try to do them properly as we have: https://hackernoon.com/icos-are-harder-than-traditional-finance-ac2594c0817d

Fingers crossed, thank you  all for your support

religion should be kept well away from crypto you fucking lunatics..... ::)

"as thankfully we have multiple other funding sources"


Why the fuck are you even doing an ICO then you fucking morons?

need those funds to spend on hookers and blow, innit?

 ::)

not officially listed but you can trade your coin there.
there is no sell and buy order on etherdelta as of now.
still waiting for an exchange.

I think we need to waiting official exchange to get the good price, this token is very usefull. I hope very important for the world

No doubt that this project is legit. I like to invest in a project where the team is visible and of course 'REAL'.

Let the Ananas team do their thing and all we got to do is spread the word  ;)

I am using etherdelta all the time. Its a legit decentralised exchange. It will bring more people here and orders are begining to form there too.

Clarify pls, is this wikipedia like project?

Imagine if you had a Wikipedia where you could see information from any point of view.

https://medium.com/ananas-blog/how-ananas-is-creating-objective-subjectivity-43bb9eec29e2

If we build this right you'll be able to see Islam from the perspective of Catholicism or vice versa.

See the assumptions that underly political policy.

See what the Mormons really think and believe according to their own community in as much detail as you want, or be connected to a member of their community or any other.

You can navigate the digital and real life resources of your own community only or access those of any other.

Once this is built, it provides tools for building stronger communities and makes life really tough for extremists, on any part of the spectrum, to co-opt belief systems.

Dear all,

If the project hits its funding goal ($1.5m public sale), we intend on listing on a centralised exchange by year end and have one commonly used one lined up (1 BTC a month listing fee (!)).

We have also been in talks with Bancor about a potential token exchanger if we hit our target, which they have indicated they are happy to support.

If we do not hit our target, we intend to have an official listing end of year on a decentralised exchange or two and will move onto a centralised exchange once the platform is up and running in the first half of next year/liquidity picks up.

We have lots in the pipeline, including a special programme on the project on BBC in the UK on Christmas Day this year and a steady lineup of interviews and features in crypto press and mainstream press globally.

It's never nice to lose momentum as we did, but thankfully everything is back on track and we believe our project stacks up well as an achievable, potentially high impact platform versus others in the space.

Thank you for keeping us posted always @emad

This project deserves a lot of attention and I hope we hit the target. More Power Anacoin!

I am very happy to see you always give answers to all participants questions, and I am very confident that this project is very good for the future, even though I have to wait where to exchange Anacoin tokens, I will wait for the latest news from you ...

i haven't receive my anacoin rewards, is there any pending of rewards transaction?

If you have not received your expected bounty tokens per the spreadsheet please go to www.anacoin.io, click on the chat button at the bottom right and submit the following request format exactly:

I have not received my expected bounty tokens. I participated in the blog/twitter/signature campaign

My username is:

My ether address is:

I can be emailed on:

How are we doing with the Token Sale? Any updates please...

I am a true supporter for this project and already bought some ANA. I have been fighting hate since I was 16

on site www.anacoin.io not button CHAT

Hi blink_stun, it has been going slow, we will be sending out an update tomorrow.

In the meantime here is an article I wrote today on how we are the first token to have tax relief for UK and US contributors:

https://hackernoon.com/tax-efficient-crypto-assets-c5abfbe0499c

and here is a powerful TEDx video from our COO and Kofi Annan Bjørn Ihler on why we must build Ananas, sharing his experience of the Utøya attack when Anders Breivik tried to murder him and his fight against hate since:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmBATofAXr4

To be honest the token sale has completely exhausted the team as I think we've done most things right except for the smart contract error.

In particular the bounty, while we are grateful for the efforts of the hundreds who participated, proved a huge drain as they literally had to go through every tweet and retweet to be fair rather than focusing on building the product.

There will be a feature on Ananas on the BBC Radio 4 Today Programme (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Today_(BBC_Radio_4)") on Wednesday, so 7 million more people will hear about it.

Feature pieces in Coindesk, Coin Telegraph and other crypto press also hopefully on the way, as is the story of how Tony Robbins originally backed this project and news on some interesting new joiners.

Once the project gets going I think people will quickly realise that the core of the token economy is a souped up version of what is currently happening with Crypto Kitties, which should sustain it well into the future.

Many thanks for your support and I hope we can build a platform to make a difference.

any updatted information about the exchange which has listed this coin?? i don't see any information about it after bounty distribution until now

I was sure project anacoin it will be successful, the prospect of her good for the future..team anacoin very nice, response very quickly against any questions..I'm very appreciation of the project.. to onsite token COIN her long enough and should be patient..as far as this I’m sure this project will be successful

One bump a day for this wonderful project. This is one of the most underrated coin and it deserves a lot of attention.

It's 100% Legit, the team is so transparent, honest and active and we're talking about a real team here that really exist unlike other scam ICO's using fake names and photos.

I hope people see the value in this coin  8)

I can't wait for this coin to get listed in big exchanges as it is one of my favorite coin this 2017. I have high hopes for this coin and I know it will be valued higher than the ICO price. It could even quadruple your investment

Let see if your talking about will come true now the anacoin team are doing well to promote there project but I guess theres no update regarding how many token there sold during the crowdsale.
I know the team are honest for answering our question hoping anacoin will listed to exchange site soon.;(

lets we see this project , will growing or be shit tokens using religion for platform

do token holders receive percentage of the platform’s income?

Why not possible to buy tokens with bitcoin but possible with creditcard? Thats not a normal way?

Hi @vogueadagio and @LooseEndUser I suggest you join the telegram channel so you can ask the team directly with your questions.

You can join the telegram channel here https://t.me/ana_anacoin

Which exchange we can trade ANAcoin?
The bounty distribution was made already but it seems quiet.

As of now there's no available exchange site for anacoin but the Dev team said it will list in exchange site by the end of this year and if they collected a minimum amount they will listing the anacoin to centralized exchange site but as of now there's no update regarding the listing of this project.
I dont know how much money there collected during the crowdsale .

hope for ANACOIN ,  can to be listing on big market on hitbtc it think is good for exhange
keep on proggress ANACOIN , that good in future.

The coin is listed here https://etherdelta.com/#0x8b75125582ff3ed5481a8ff50e660e416fb8f50a-ETH for trading

anacoin , pricw on market etherdelta is under value on ico , so holding for this token i think dev on anacoin is still for work hard
to build and growing this token until can to be listed on big exchange.

any update about the exchange of this token? price on etherdelta is very low that if I exchange what i got on the bounty i will get less than a dollar.

No more update from the Developer since my last visit of this topic they said if the minimum target are reach they will list this coin from centralized exchange site but until now no update from the team I visit their site and I see no more detailed on how many money they collected this is not nice why they not answering our question hmmmm!!

dev said already have enough money from ico in crypto and fiat but him open ico again for stage 2 because not have enough money for building the project, what do you think about this? just leave from here

please do continue this project no matter what happen. Will Continue support ana coin.

What happened to this project? I thought the ICO raised enough funds to continue  the roadmap.
Is dev any plan to this token to be listed on any exchange?

They said this anacoin will be listed in exchange site by the end of this year bit until now no more update from them what happen to this project if you go tp there aite you can notice that the crowdsale are still in running hmmm. This is not good for every participant & investor of this anacoin.
I hope this project will continue I see the good potential for peace!!!
Go go anacoin

just like you I've also waited so long, I don't really expect a lot of anacoin, anacoin is only intended for coin peace not like any other commercial coin. But I'm still waiting for anacoin can to be listed in trading site, I don't know how developers can so long launch this coin to the public. please give our confirmation about this coin.

Hello Anacoin Team, do you have a timeframe on when ANA will be added in exchanges? I remember you said 'end of the year' on a decentralized exchange. Looking forward to your update.

Looks not that good. I hope somebody of the devs answers soon.

Project is moving slow but steady. I just hope we can hear from Emad or someone from the ANACoin team soon. We just want to hear some news!

Still HODLING here ;)

Hello all, we have contacted 7 decentralised exchanges and are negotiating with 3, my apologies for the lack of updates over christmas and the new year, some of the team were unwell and for some reason the notifications didn't come up from BitcoinTalk

We did not hit our target and are now shifting to stage 2, which is ERC-721-based sponsorship auctions (cryptokitties style!) while working on the core platform.

For trading/trading volumes you can expect it to be relatively light once official listings on decentralised exchanges are up, but gradually increase as the Anacoins are used for sponsorship starting from this month and the full platform gets up and running.

We clearly didn't manage to penetrate the crypto community, but have had more international coverage than any but the largest projects and have more in the pipeline, including a trip around the Middle East and Asia in the next few months talking to governments, partners and donors.

At $50k a day trading volume coins become eligible to join coinmarketcap listings and it would be suitable to move to a centralised exchange, most of these now cost $30-100k for a listing, which is money we would rather spend on development at this point.

I would warn everyone against EtherDelta given their recent actions, not sure that any of the tokens you have there are secure.

An update and newsletter will be sent out this weekend and go here and on blog

We are active on Telegram at all times: https://t.me/ana_anacoin

Happy New Year everyone and I hope it is a successful one for all!

I agree the project usually doubt his slow journey but successful and satisfactory result like, hopefully, the dev team always provides good news for this project. success is always to the fore his project.

today reserv 500 tokens)) many thanks

We are happy to announce our first listing at Token Store: https://token.store/trade/ANA

We are working on two more listings in the coming weeks and will move onto larger exchanges as volumes increase.

Many thanks and please join us on our Telegram: https://t.me/ana_anacoin

Emad

listed on some volumeless exchange is useless. hope it is listed on exchange even though small but atleast has a volume on it.
Goodluck dev

This is really true if this project cannot list in some good exchange site the possibility to grow are too low you need some promotion and developement if you need to see the price grow theres no buy or sell pair in token.store right now this is not good for all of us especially to the investor in this project.

dear dev why no add exchange but this is token long trend distribution for all an in etherdelta not add

pliss update exchange cryptopia sir thanks  ;)

its good that it is added on another exchange. but still there's no volume on this token. guess this token is dead now.
hope that the admin still continue the project.

LOL it's not central exchange so useless, at least ANACOIN should be listed in central exchange if want to have value and more volume

no buy wall, small volume
Ana must listed on central exchange like coinexchange or hitbtc for get volume buy wall

We should at least promote this coin while the Anacoin team do the marketing. We have to spread awareness about this project. A simple tweet from the Anacoin team and then we all retweet, that's already a good start to promote the coin. I just think that it lacks the marketing at the moment. I still believe in this project though  8)

Anacoin will be featured on Bloomberg 7:00am GMT when I go on a special show.

We will introduce a market making function shortly after to steadily increase market liquidity into platform launch later this year and auctions imminently.

The primary venue for liquidity for now will be IDEX: https://idex.market/eth/ana

Most likely the best time to buy Anacoins will be the next few weeks while there is a lull..

Also I discussed the current crypto volatility on Bloomberg a week ago: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2018-01-17/capricorn-sees-cryptocurrency-declines-amid-regulatory-scramble-video

Anacoin has been designed to be a hedge for this once the auctions and sponsorships get going as there will be a steady bid into the market.

We have a good use case, interesting technology, great team, international press coverage and an increasing roster of strong partnerships. We haven't handled crypto press too well, but ultimately the project will be successful if we build well and I think we are the most under the radar project out there.

We will get there..

ok sir nice info, hope this project give some good opurtunity to alot of people.
just keep this thread alive so every one will see the progress and more people will interest and take a part.

with a good development team , and continoue to work hard in contributing to anacoin to keep growing , im sure one day anacoin will be able to get into the big market with a big volume .
latest update now coming on some exchangers like etherdelta and idex , hopefully the future will continoue developed

Indeed if the team works well, will surely be a success for his future, and hopefully that is expected of the participants achieved getting satisfactory results. and hopefully developing project a success.

Still waiting for the day to come where we can have some more trading activity and more people to join the Anacoin community. A lot of people are getting impatient.

Our primary market is IDEX: https://idex.market/eth/ana

where you may place your bids and offers.

The market will determine volume, although we may add some more formalised market making as the main platform launches.

Emad

yes, I think you need a bigger exchange to increase transaction volume, is this your website https://www.anacoin.io? if yes, I think you need to update your website

Our main website is www.ananas.org.uk

Transaction volume is up to the market, although I imagine one announcement or two could lead to quite a rush..

ok, thanks for your answer, I think the wesite link in ananas twitter account needs to be updated with your main site, because many people are looking for information from there. hope your project roadmap run well and good luck.

I can see hope in market idex, anana now start grow up. to be honest I'm waiting for another exchanges, anana will increase when adding another exchange. Still wait for good news. I'm sure 2-4 month anana will be known in the crypto world. hoping to be on the list coinmarketcap ;D

To all Anacoin supporters out there and to the Anacoin team, let's try to make this thread active again if we want this coin to get some attention. At least post once a day here. If we do it all together, we can reach 200 pages in 2 months.

to support anaoin yes I agree, but by doing a post here without a topic that obviously I think it would be useless. it would be better to post on some threads such as altcoin discussion and bitcoin discussion and promote anacoin thats much better

Yes, I also hope the same. Hopefully, this project increased the participation of participants who would like to join in this project and a lot of investors who are interested in this project. success for this project. smoothly for this project.

how to get my bounty coin on referrals?

Here I want to ask how clarity this project, I have long wait. And of course many people are waiting. Please explain dev, I still support this project.

yes this is a good coin. litterally good. if we can slowly support this coin with chunk of our crypto this will go farther and be known. this coin should not necessarily to go to the moon but to be recognize.

I did not receive bounty payment so I'm declaring these people scammers.
Everyone who was scammed by Anacoin team, feel free to write everything what you think about them in their twitter:
https://twitter.com/ANA_Anacoin
https://twitter.com/EMostaque

if you have a problem with bounty payment I suggest you send private message to Jamal instead of this thread because that set the payment of Bounty transaction is jamal. Developer is not responsible for Bounty payment . You should check back to Bounty Thread

any update about this project? especially listed on exchange
has been waiting for a long time since october but it seems no progress, what's wrong with this platform

 this project will be followed by many people, looking at the names and posts listed above may be very good and can make people interested and many investors who like it, hopefully this ANACOIN will sell in the market good luck team

However, until now I haven't found where Anacoin (ANAT) can be traded and I see on their official twitter last update in February 2018. What happended with Anacoin project? ::)

Great this project will gain a huge success for sure

any exchange for trading?

Developer last active November 01, 2017, 10:21:04 PM.
where we can find this token for trade ? I'am not found this token on coinmarketcap , where we can find update about this project ?

Too bad it's becoming hopeless as the Anacoin team is a no show for the past few months. It would have been one of the better projects this 2018 as it is unique and it's intended for PEACE. I hope they revive this project and continue the development. It is not too late.