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Lauda recently without any reason posted two negative feedback on the dev of DeepOnion coin, while the dev has overwhelming positive support from the community (see his full trust feedback):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=321080

DeepOnion is a recent launched altcoin with free airdrops and no ICO/crowdfunding. It received a lot community support since start.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2006010.0

Lauda, who never posted a single comment on the DeepOnion thread, and without any contact and discussion with the dev or the community, posted two negative trust on the dev of DeepOnion. Since he's from the default trust group, the negative trusts was displayed to everyone while other trust feedback are hidden. This seriously impacted the dev credibility of the DeepOnion.

The DeepOnion thread is a moderated thread, therefore dev deleted a few fud/garbage comments, but there are at least 6 different threads created that expressed different opinions on the DeepOnion.

I saw many people complained about Lauda's behaviors before. Here is one example:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1905242.0

My question is this: does he has the right to do so? In this forum we have a small group belonging to the default trust group, where we put trust on them to be fair and make the right judgements. Do these people have the right to destroy other people's reputation at will, and in a hostile way? I think he abused his rights, and I request forum mods to investigate this matter. Thanks.

PS I am just one of the supporters of the DeepOnion.

Everyone in the DefaultTrust list have their own judgments and can cast their feedback on users they think will have positive/negative impact in the bitcon society. Also, seeing the reference of the neg trust, there is an extensive amount of evidence and proofs to support Lauda's judgment. I would not dip my feet into the waters but unless the dev proved that the DeepOnion project is not a premine coin, then the neg trust would (?) be removed by Lauda.

Lauda is on the default trust network because of hilariousandco and blazed. Both are effectively endorsing any activity that Lauda engages in, especially that regarding trust ratings.

If you do not agree with Lauda's trust ratings, then I would advise that you warn others against trading, doing business with, or entrusting to moderate the forum with either of these people.

They can, but without talking to anyone in the thread, and posted 2 consecutive negatives on the same thing, is a clear act to abuse his power, and try to destroy another person's reputation. Those who abuse the power should be removed. They don't worth the trust from us the community members!

How can the dev prove that the coin is not premined? It IS premined, or at least 90% of the coin is premined. That is the whole purpose of this coin. Premine 90% and distribute to the community.

Exactly. They have been very upfront about their intentions for this coin. They have delivered airdrops on time, have settled discrepancies on time (I can personally attest to that) and are always wanting more input from the community.

I am fully committed to helping this project in any way I can, and believe it will do very well.

There needs to be some sort of control, or moderation possibly before those posts on positive or negative trust become public.

it turns out that lauda is a dev of a competing coin,so it was in his interests to spread false fud and scamm accusations at crypto-onion. deeponion has so far delivered everything promised and more. crypto-rainbow has shown himself to be a trustworthy and very very active dev and has my full support

Proof?

Lauda is a very bad person, and would not be surprised by this, but I need to see evidence before I would believe it.

From the start it was very clear the onions are pre-mined. Let there be no mistake: everyone knew this. This is not an argument imo.

You know: it is a bummer to have to witness these attacks. You don't like a project: move along.
Why on earth would you give negative rep? I have seen FUD on multiple occasions: Minereum, Timereum. All based on bs reasonings.
Giving a neg rep is new to me though; it takes things to a next level.

This is far from random trolling. Hell; it can be fun to stir shit up a little bit. But to try and destroy a person's work? Or the work of a community?
Doing that requires motives. Motives here are unclear, but do "taste" highly emotional. Arguments were never proven, but repeated multiple times and sometimes in capslock. As if that proves accusations...

All I can say is I vow for rainbow and he really doesn't earn this crap which is being poured over him. Even so the dev team.

As an early follower of this project, a translator and an active community member it hurts me to see people like Lauda are trying to do this. In effect it has negative consequences for me too, as I would like to see this project can grow as it had in mind and as it deserves. I, with my good intentions, would benefit.

I am all in for feedback, but please do so reasonably.
This Lauda thing is far from reasonable.

Please follow the chronology of this issue: from fud to neg rep and see for yourselves.
Then I hope you can see the unfairness and will remove the neg rep.

/my2cents

Well this is the question: people in default trust group has the trust of the forum, so they should do things in a reasonable and justifiable way. Can they do whatever they want? Can he just destroy the reputation of anyone he does not like? or potentially has conflict of what he does? I don't care for whatever reasons he did it. But does he have the right to do so??

If a judge in a democratic country can do that, then it's no longer a democratic country, it is an autocratic country. This forum will not be like that... >:(

Relax guys, here's a fun video to enjoy. Make sure you turn on the subtitle (lower bar, left corner, after start on the lower right corner)  ;D

http://www.captiongenerator.com/632602/Fuding-from-the-bunker (http://www.captiongenerator.com/632602/Fuding-from-the-bunker)

The trust vote is a fairly democratic procedure.
I did so in the trust settings
I hope that he will receive negative trust from me.
~ sign means this  ;D

I wanted to take the opportunity to join the discussion in this matter. First of all, here are the observations I can make regarding the project.

From the moment I joined the project, I have seen several things that stand out:

- The community is growing organically thanks to :
     °AIRDROP : No Ico which means the team had to find the fundings to proceed on their own. Far from being the easy way to go (especially with the
                       latest monstruous ICO's) => No money has ever been involved.
     °Scam allegation which reality can be quite easily dismissed, and auto-verified with time. => I will insist on this point since on its own, this part
       can dismiss all accusation of scam.
- The promises, all kept, that allows us to build a relationship based on trust, avoiding the fear and doubts by essence.
- The unplanned rewards, given as a token of appreciation by the team for our efforts in building the community with a positivie mindset. Who does
  that? We just received twice the amount!

As You can see, these are only facts and no interpretation. On its own, these facts are reassuring, enticing and strongly motivating.



Let me remind that the coin is 90% premine, and most importantly :

- 70% WILL BE DISTRIBUTED DURING 40 WEEKS OF AIRDROP : on its own, if the project was to be a scam, it is going to be fairly obvious (in the rich list, we can see if the accounts holding the premined coins is diminishing). SInce we can get that reach list, it would be incredibly stupid to attempt a scam..
- 20% FOR BOUNTIES : same anaysis as previously
-10% FOR THE DEVS: this is what will be left to the team. Again here, it will be pretty easyto calculate exactly how many coin this amounts to, and see that the promise is kept : time will tell
-STAKING OF THE PREMINED COINS : I don't understand why the devs staking their premined coin is a problem. Since in the end, the only thing that they will keep is 10% and the result of said staking. How does it relate all this to a scam?

As you did understand, the allegations of scam WILL BE UNVERIFIED with time. Anywy who believes in it just has to wait and see for themselves, checking the rich list.


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Regarding LAUDA, I find it concerning that it is that easy to have the DeepOnion dev downvoted. I took the liberty to write him a post :

" Dear Lauda,

I had the pleasure of encountering your name through the MinexCoin ICO, where you acted as an ESCROW Solution. (it appears that I was one of the 2 people who were looking for you, with hansen)

More recently, I am involved in the DeepOnion project and stumbled upon the scam allegation from DogeMajestic. I will not judge him, for this is not the issue here.

What DogeMajestic has wrote may have some basis in the sense that he is concerned with the premined coins and the current staking of said coins. however, he is jumping to conclusions and may be proven wrong in the coming months.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2057229.msg20555622#msg20555622

You will find on this link my answer to his post, where I do not give any opinion regarding DeepOnion but question the rigor and seriousness of his analysis and even more so, his conclusions. His approach is fundamentally flawed and he did not read the full content of the OP apparently (devs will distribute 70% of the coins in 40 rounds of airdrops, 1 per week and 20% for bounties).

May I respectfully ask you, before downgrading the trustlevel of crypto-rainbow and thus endangering the project's image, to dig a little further and see for yourself wether or not the project is trully a scam?
At this moment, such allegations are 100% impossible to verify for there is NO ICO to it and DeepOnion is not present on any exchanges. This means, there cannot be any scam by essence. Moreover, If the dev is legit, he will distribute the premined coin as said in the OP and what will be left to the team is :

-10% of the total amount
- reward from staked coins (which they are doing right now)

This information can be verified on the OP page : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2057229.msg20555622#msg20555622

Lauda, if by chance my message has spread a little bit of doubt in your mind, enough to dig a little further in order to see for yourself if the project is a scam or not, may I ask you to do a proper research and find out?
If you do believe after that work that you were wrong, may I ask you to correct the mistake and upgrade his trust level again?

Thank you for the time you will allocate for this query of mine,

With respect"





This is the answer I received :

" The developer of that project is trust farming, thus he can not be trusted regardless of the accusations raised by DogeMajestic."



While I dot not know the guy and will not allow myself any judgment on the character, I do find the answer concerning. Crypto-rainbow didn't receive any positive trust rating BEFORE LAUDA downvoted him.
By nature, there was no trust farming. The community took the responsability to positive trust him to compensate for Lauda's vote.

In this matter, and given how poor the argumentation of Lauda is, both in the trust rating and in his answer to me, I still do not have a valid reason for Lauda's actions.

I will leave the judgment to the moderators of the forum to investigate and take the proper actions if an abuse of power was exercised (which seems to be the case here, if lauda doesn't justify his actions with additional reasons).

With respect,


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True. I, and many others, did so of our own free will. We were pointed to this possibility by another member of the community.
I was never asked by rainbow to do this.

Biased as always and now endorsing trust farming? No surprise.

Spreading lies now, are we? I am not a developer of any coin, at least not as far as the public is concerned. Furthermore, I couldn't give a single damn about shitcoin.

Every single time some butthurt fools complained, I was proven right and they often got more negative ratings.

Absolutely.

Absolutely if the rating is warranted, which it is in this case.

The fun part is that what you think doesn't matter. You wouldn't be asking some of these trivial questions if you were involved enough in the forum to actually be able to provide a constructive opinion on the matter.

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Ironically, I was proven right shortly after leaving the negative rating to the fool that started that shitcoin. Keep it up; I'm always lurking.

http://pre08.deviantart.net/4ced/th/pre/f/2011/212/e/5/cat_by_m_2_u-d428i0d.jpg

Well, after some research, I might agree with Lauda. Deep Onion dev is not very transparent, 20% for promotion is too much, way too much. 10% for dev is also very very big amount.

Byteball dev leaves 1% for himself and there's very big development going on with the code, releases etc, just to compare.

Nah. You gave neg rep.
So you do give a damn. By saying you don't give a damn you are giving yourself the "look at me, I am a cool guy" image.

But you DO care.

Can't we just go on. Live and let live and so on.

Even if you ignore the initial rating, you can take a look at the follow up ratings. They are both warranted.

No. I don't need to care about something to give it a negative rating. What I exactly meant is that I couldn't care about the specifications/features/et. al. of that shitcoin.

Trust ratings can be given without any rules by anyone for all reasons.
My latest trust rating was isoneguy   2017-07-28   0.00000000      your mom in a bathing suit



This can be done by all the higher DT members., It also can be counter rated by that same group of DT members.

@ lauda: Whatever rocks your boat.

I disagree with your action, don't like your character and display of attitude but wish you much wisdom nonetheless.

Hello Lauda

When you want to evaluate someone , We have to see him / her,Has caused you some risk or has deceived you !!!

But here, we see Dev @ Crypto-rainbow

- Is the developper of the DeepOnion project. He has shown delicate attention to his members and is growing the community with outstanding ingenuity and innovative approach.

The project is a type of Airdrop (with a comitment to participate in the community), which means NO ICO, NO USERS MONEY involved. The project has not yet reached the exchange (still no money involved)

The coins will be delivered within 40 weeks (40 rounds of distributions).

I have reasons to believe that this person is trustworthy given the time and effort put to grow his project.
Regarding DeepOnion, no money has been involved and the premined coins should be distributed by January through the airdrop rounds. This has led me to believe that the scam allegations are nonsense and no real base can be found for it.

 And  "Lauda, who never posted a single comment on the DeepOnion thread, and without any contact and discussion with the dev or the community, posted two negative trust on the dev of DeepOnion. Since he's from the default trust group, the negative trusts was displayed to everyone while other trust feedback are hidden. This seriously impacted the dev credibility of the DeepOnion."

Hope to help clarify !!!

https://i.imgur.com/pqxMIgx.jpg

No, that's not how the trust system works. I don't need to have any interaction with the person that I am leaving the feedback to.

The "airdrop" from that shitcoin is everything but a real airdrop. If you want to take a look at what an real airdrop is, take a look at Byteball.

Many people said that 1% is incommensurably small and offered to increase.
10% look quite legitimate.
As for Lauda then this is a clinical case. Too much self-importance.
Be more modest  ;D

Fucks to give chart.
Where have I seen that before? What's next a 6 legged spider?

Lauda; I was just going through your trust (yeah i know: zero fucks given).

Dude, you have some serious issues. Wishing you wisdom might not even help. Good luck with that karma of yours; I feel I can't help you.

Selling paypal accounts? Saving dox of people you trade with?

wow. just wow.

Which is your opinion, and which has nothing to do with the actual state of things. Judging people that you know nothing about, on a whim, classic.

You'd be surprised.

Are you stupid? ::) There isn't a single valid, negative, trust rating on me. Are you sure that you're not reading the feedback that I've sent to other people? I have never sold PayPal accounts, nor do I have anyone's DOX.

I have no more words.

What fucking rabbit hole is this?

Deep Onion is doing fantastically well and it's bound to attract negative attention due to this.

Most people see that Onion is a legit, open project with an honest and competent dev team doing things in an ethical manner. I haven't seen anyone who is genuinely complaining about the airdrop, it's fantastic.

The address with high coin counts have been explained and everybody understands what they are for.

The ability to impact an individual's trust in such a manner needs to be fixed. I personally talk to the Deep Onion dev team often (I am not officially part of their team) and have been extremely impressed with their open nature and professionalism. They solve problems in a timely manner, interact with the community and haven't missed any of their promises.

People trying to FUD the project are obviously invested in other altcoins, it's very clear to see. Instead of FUDing other coins just keep it to you own thread?

Deep Onion is doing great, it's here to stay and those that bother to follow and read the dev comments know that the project is already a roaring success. Long live Onion! In 37 week's time it's going to be funny seeing all the FUDers crying :)

It's disgusting. Is there a proof  ???

I think LAUDA is too worried for us !?  ??? Thanks. ::)

Remember: when you participate in any project, you also think about the benefits that the project brings and most importantly you do not have to take any risks.
Yes, exactly ! That's DEEP Onion  :)

And everything I get from Dep @crypto_Rainbo . I'm very happy and love it, that's also what people are involved in the project (including me)

  Very proud of DEEP Onion !!!

In #DeepOnion we trust! #OwnYourStake.

Yes thank you Bro for great advice  8)
We are here all for the development of DEEP Onion.

And thanks again.
In #DeepOnion we trust! #OwnYourStake.

So getting a negative rep from Lauda actually means you're doing a hell of a good job.
- Using a 4chan troll face in a David Thorne chart, shows his childish (no pun intended) way of communicating
- claiming negative trusts from others are false, orly?
- claiming his given trusts to others are to be read, meaning "read how I rate others and see my 100% credibilty", Sure

I am not even going into/ or searching for vod/ rip off anymore.
Clear as water.
Anyone doubting about rainbow and deeponion project... hopeless

Jesus H. Christ...

This is a serious suspicion. Thank you for your research and feedback.
The reverse side of freedom maims the soul.
Remember that your freedom ends where the freedom of another person begins  8)

what does this do excactly? I don't want to mess around with settings I don't understand. Something this important (trust) should not be so hard to use/understand/unfair. Any help is welcome.

Lauda has overplayed her hand here.

ZEIT shitcoin shill, AztekPhoenix, comes to defend another shitcoin. Quite ironic, isn't it? There's a lot more that needs to be done regarding this DeepOnion garbage. A single negative rating is the least that can be done.

It doesn't do anything besides trying to mask the reality. You won't see my ratings as default anymore, but everyone else who doesn't modify their list does.

I have not. Shilling is nice, ain't it? ::)

Ok, thank you.!

Trust is a difficult think and you might have your reasons to trust/untrust anyone. The tone of your messages however indicate this is a "personal" attack, and i see no objectivity in the claims you make in your trust ratings.

But hey, that's my opinion.  :P

You're welcome.

Personal attack? For this to be a personal attack, this coin would actually have to be good enough for me to care about it. In case that you still didn't get the memo, I don't care about shitcoins.

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Don't do untrustworthy things, and you won't receive negative ratings. It's simple as 2+2, but apparently that is beyond the capability of plenty of members here. ::)

Go fuck yourself Lauda

Disgusting piece of shit


EDIT:
You know. Nothing you have written here has made me re-evaluate my opinion.

I am out of this discussion.

Easy Bros. This's almost like insulting a police or lawyer for doing his/her job. It's never easy policing a forum with hundreds of members not to talk of one with thousands.

I think someone gave a pretty convincing review against Deeponion Altcoin here on  Bitcointalk,  I will post the link if I find it.  Maybe Moderator acted on that review or plus other similar reviews.

This forum great success is largely due to their efforts to see that things are done the right way. I owned a Group on Telegram with little over 80 members... I couldn't handle the negativity, I had to abandoned it last month and ran away...   I haven't visited the group since lol..
Admins need some respect.. This people are doing some extraordinary job here and the job isn't easy atall. I was penalized by them but took it in good faith.

My only advice to Lauda and other great Admins is to clearly state the reason why members were penalized with proofs attached Plus reference to the rules they broke. This I think will help easy off tensions. Everybody will be very satisfied knowing they were really treated fairly.
Do enjoy your day.

:-*

When you don't prevent something bad from occurring you get blamed. When you do, you get blamed for doing it. Likewise, the same goes with tagging or not tagging untrustworthy people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They have.

I have attached a reference to all three ratings left on the developer.

Nothing will ease off, as these people are:
1) Shilling in a sense that they are inclined to support the project due to the airdrop and whatnot.
2) Financially invested in it, thus also inclined to not listen to reason and write whatever nonsense they can in order to defend the developer.
3) Both.

Was going to ask what shitcoin Lauda was a part of, because I never heard
of one.  Seems that's a lie, so there you have it. 

Lauda didn't destroy anyone's reputation.   It takes more than one cat's feedback
to do that, even if thay cat is on DT.  So take it with a grain of salt.  Just because
the dev's account shows red doesn't really change much for DO's supporters,
does it? 

1/2. 2/2 yet a few more posts after them, very classic. I don't know why they're so worried about the credibility of the dev? apparently he has so many

Fans, look all the community members love the guy and trust him so why do you care if he has red trust? @Lauda could you give Satoshi 50 negative

Feed back to see what happens? I'll bet Bitcoin market will crash, the negative is there to inform people. you think if that dev is the real deal any ratings

Matters? if you guys love your dev so much and you are the said community members then nothing is lost here, I believe your dev is still a virgin.

What I think may not matter, but what many people think do matter. Look at the way you replied, you pretend to be god?? Don't think that you belong to default trust group that you can do anything, without rules, without standard, without reason.

I strongly request this kind of person be removed from the default trust group, because we have zero trust on him.

People who have had nothing to do with the forum, reputation section, scam accusations or have not made any other substantial contributions, i.e. have only been spamming for money and shilling? No.

Pretend to be god?¹ I have had my, unfortunately great, share of mistakes. The only god around here is Vod. ;)

Stating the obvious? ::)

Again, it does not matter who you trust.

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1 - I must be pretending to be:

http://t3.rbxcdn.com/f4d9d87146fc08c0e06cc9a9af337e4f

so Lauda only cares himself, he can do anything without a reason, anything he wants.

I also request other trust members to think to revoke Lauda's position in the default trust group, because it is ridiculous to have such a person in it, which makes this whole trust system absurd.

BTW, I put "~Lauda" in my trust system...

How exactly does this benefit me? I get a bunch of whining people spamming me publicly and privately. ::)

Every single of those ratings is reinforced with a reference link, is warranted and rational.

I wonder how many shills from this shitcoin will come up here and make similar requests? ::)

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Fresh smell of trust farming in the morning:
https://i.imgur.com/fiovuzb.png

Note how every single butthurt individual here is supportive of deepcoin. ::)

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If not for the retaliatory rating, the whole trust farming thing is extremely shady and deserves a negative. Which I'll add. Hopefully, I'll get some feedback 'interest' and my negative will multiply into 5 from the shills!

I put ~Lauda in my trust system. I won't waste more time here. You can't talk in a civilized way to a person who don't respect others. I have a feeling that I am talking to a gangster here, he has completely different logic, so let's ignore him.

And is part of their signature campaign, err I mean "airdrop" *cough*. ::)

Another one:
https://i.imgur.com/jDZ0ae0.png

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Not surprising, is it? I wonder how many accounts the developer controls. ::)

I am not getting involved in the ongoing mess here, however I have neg rated crypto-rainbow for blatant misuse of the trust system; farming trust. Lets not get into the trust abuse (which I fully expect to be hit with judging by previous ratings left..).

Trust farming is against forum rules, and it is clearly evident this has happened when you see 20-30 ratings left for this user within the space of a few days, with some of them using the exact same note, word for word.

Proof of the trust farming? He got many positive trusts is because when the community learned that Lauda posted negative trust on him, they felt it is unjustified and posted support to him. It's a big community, just look at the thread. It can not be done with a few fake accounts. Ask the mod to check. Please don't make false accusations, give the proof and let everyone judge.

Yes this is one of the best  8)

Read the references (https://archive.fo/jaRN0#selection-2711.0-2731.188).

So... trust farming.

Irrelevant. Still trust farming.

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If you're asking for trust to be posted to your account then that is trust farming. You are seeking trust for an inconsequential action or for no reason at all. If they didn't deserve the negative before, they sure do now.

Please see the reference in my rating.

I am not saying that the user has gained trust through fake accounts. I am saying that there is evidence of farming trust via legitimate users on his trust page. The reference also shows both the user and another account advocating people to leave trust for him; which is, once again, farming trust.

That single user wished to "cancel" out the rating left by DogeMajestic, which is perfectly fine. However asking for everyone else to do the same is not.


Precisely.

Wow.

Instead of apologizing and accepting that there has been wrongdoing, crypto-rainbow and his supporters go on and attack those who are contributing to the very foundations of law and order here on Bitcointalk. They don't know what they're doing. Attacking Lauda means biting your own tail.

Posts like these are causing ever vicious counter-attacks:


Seriously, why do you post crap like this? There has never been any attack against you in the first place. Accept the forum rules like everyone else. You're not special, crypto-rainbow. We all have to behave.

If there are scam accusations against you it is your duty as the coin's spokesperson to address these accusations adequately and openly. Censoring from your thread or attacking others is not a solution, but your end. I hope you know that.

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Good luck

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Well said!

Thank you.

I can't leave this be. Sorry.


This has gone from asking questions about the staking issue about 4 days ago to accusations of child abuse today. And everything imaginable in between.

This is one shit-circus where opinions are being dropped as facts. This was so 4 days ago and still is now. To both sides.

Be an adult. Keep your own honor. Leave a, quote: "shit coin", be. Leave all the lost souls dwelling in that ANN be. Were you trying to save the world by giving rainbow a neg rep? There is a really thin line between altruism and egoism. Believe; I know. And this action doesn't look like caring for the other, aka altruism. It looks like destruction, or thanatos, to continue my poor knowledge of Latin.

But yeah, this is my view/ opinion.
Lauda has his own views and actions. He has his own history to print out and put above his bed.

Lauda, I have been around in this world of 0 and 1, called the net or a series of tubes. For a long fucking time as it is.

Using (old) 4chan memes multiple times on different posts in your argumentation isn't helping you winning my soul over (i know; you dont give a fuck ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ).

But it goes to show.
It goes to show that pissing in an ocean of piss leads to nowhere. I know my memes (God I hate that word).

Now about that adult side, what would you think about using real arguments (not shit flinging, dropping links "READ THIS", not acting like a /b/ or /biz/ tard) and tell us in your own baby talk words why we are the victims of a scam?

Please elaborate me.

Any user can post anything, it is not a solicitation from anyone, anyone can express his opinion. As long as it is not from dev, you can't blame him. In fact, most of the community felt that he was treated unfairly, thus volunteer to post positive trust for him, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Don't try to get a post from millions and say that it is proof. This is the way communist does the thing, and it is rejected by most of the world.  



The problem here is that they can not put the real "reasons" on the table. As fisheater said, you can't reason with a gangster. So that's it, let's move on.

Why is 'the dev' deleting all kinds of basic and important questions from his thread? What is it he's hiding?

You can literally not ask about the premine or the staking of the premine because if you do your mouth is shut by censorship immediately. Awkward, and naturally negative trust follows soon after.

Then what the FUCK is this?

https://archive.fo/jaRN0#selection-2195.0-2195.57

The altcoin owner is literally asking for a DT member to give them positive trust in order to counter the negative from Lauda.

That is trust farming if I've ever seen it. Asking for positive trust usually doesn't end well.

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Cognitive dissonance and projection. Funny.

It is a moderated thread, dev has the rights to control his thread. You can create new threads and post your opinions. In fact I saw at least 5-6 threads attacking the coin. There's nothing to complain. Play with the rules and we have a democratic society here.

The delirium that this dog carries is terrific.
Create a separate thread and I'll go there in the enjoyment  ;D
As for Lauda, yes, this is a clinical case.
An exalted person with an exorbitant ego who is based on impunity.
Do not touch Satoshi  8)

Doesn't he has the right to do so?? what is wrong? he may be surprised by one man's action can change his own rating.

Can't people express their opinion? Are these the "proof" they do trust farming?? give me a break. Do you know how democracy works?

You have nothing but ad hominem attacks to offer?


This is not about the thread's moderation per se, this is about the fact that crypto-rainbow is trying to hide what he's doing. Those who point out the issues are called 'Gangsters'. This is an attack. There hasn't been any rational answer to the accusations posted. Negative trust is 100% justified. Particularly because of the trust farming scenario. Stop it now or you can only make it worse. You don't understand the way the trust system works if you think that you can ask the community to balance negative DT trust for no reason other than to get that trust rating removed. This is not allowed. That trust rating has been put there for a solid reason, and not arbitrarily. Call this arbitrarily, and you too risk negative trust rating.

What's wrong is that this is trust farming. There were many precedents before this event that reached the outcome of a negative trust due to it.

Asking for positive trust from neutral in order to gain reputation is equivalent to asking for positive trust from negative in order to counteract the negative trust rating.

We are expressing our opinions. That what you're all doing is bullshit.

Democracy is good except when it isn't.

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Notice how all the members that are supporting crypto-rainbow have been doing so before this thread was created. I would like to see some opinions from other members, not those that have preconceived notions of how the situation should go down.

Are you calling my input biased?
Whooptidoo

Unfortunately you're completely biased because you're blinded at the moment. You don't realize that you're being used.

The views I express here are my own.

Absolutely. I come to a situation with an objective look at things. This is trust abuse and I of my own volition have deemed it thus.

Before you say anything about an affiliation to Lauda, let me get that past us: yes, we all know about the extortion. No, I do not agree with the actions taken place and a removal from the Staff position was justified. Yes, a lot of threads were opened up about Lauda. No, a majority of those were from butthurt scammers that got tagged and now are thrashing out against the source.

Frankly, I'm much stricter than Lauda in terms of how I view things. Note all the account sale related tags ;)

I wanted to wait and see how things shook out with regards to DeepOnion which is why I havn't posted anything for or against it yet and view this topic as seperate to the coin itself. I also have had no relationship with or even past knowledge of the dealings of the people inviolved other than the small amount I have read recently in these posts so with that out of the way...

IMO what I see here basically invalidates the trust rating in my eyes, even if there was something a bit more solid to support Laudas feedback 3 negative feedbacks in 5 days is just an attack, I dont know how the default trust network is determined but if this were my forum and I had control over it Lauda would be imediately removed from said network.

My 2c.

Maybe Laura is somewhere right, but check my registration date and history. Ì have seen so much clear scams and devs really doing bad things. It took forever for them to receive one negative trust. Now in three days someone who hasn't begged for a penny received 3 negative trusts from one and the same person.

One might happen and we can argue if it was correct or mot
Two is suspicious behaviour
Three us total BS

Taking into account the used language I consider this as a personal attack which is not senior or trust member worthy.

That's what most people in the deeponion thread and above are angry about  and the main reason  for all the buzz about this trust issue.

Right, and Lauda = Vod = Zepher = theymos, right?

I'm not sure I've ever supported Vod publicly in any post. In fact, even though he and Spoetnik have some big history with each other I tolerate both of their opinions and have no comment regarding either one of them.

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If you want me to highlight some problems I have with DT members then I would be glad to do so. The problem with your analysis of my post history is that most of the time my opinions coincide with Lauda (and to a lesser extent, Vod). There's also been many a time that Lauda has supported me in my escapades. Is that really a linkage between the two of us?

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If you support a politician constantly, are you that politician? Fuck no.

I glazed over your post history.

Are you kiklo?

I generally do as well--but I'm not Vod, Lauda, or actmyname.  They're just solid scam/spam busters whose opinions coincide with my own a lot of the time.   I don't know if Lauda is right on this one, since I have to plead ignorance on the technical aspects of crypto.  So I don't quite understand if the premine was proven or even if it's relevant.   Don't crucify me for that.  But I believe most of these new coins are scams and I don't see why most of them exist other than to fleece new investors.

Lauda is entitled to an opinion, and his/her intentions are good so far as I can see--that ill-advised sting operation aside.  The way I see it, the more retaliatory negs and threads you generate, the better you're doing fighting scammers & spammers.  There doesn't seem to be any conflict of interest here.  It's just Lauda's honest opinion

Stop with this bullshit. Is someone paying you to lie and claim this is a "personal attack"?

No. The people from the deeponion thread are greedy idiots, which is why they're spewing nonsense in a section that they've got nothing to do with. To make matters worse, some of them are even actively supporting the trust farming that has been going on.

Kiklo and his gang, cutre. ::)

The dev announced very clear,90% premined,

for the 90% mined coins:
- 70% WILL BE DISTRIBUTED DURING 40 WEEKS OF AIRDROP
- 20% FOR BOUNTIES : same anaysis as previously
-10% FOR THE DEVS:
 if you do not agree with this ,u can not join the coin's campaign，but u cannot to say it is not trustable!

this is just a airdrop coin,many devs of ICO coins left 20%~50% coins for devs,there no one say somthing!!

This is the only reasonable explanation  8)

1) This thread has nothing to do with the trust ratings that I've left on the user nor could any of my posts *invalidate* those ratings.
2) There is no attack. For it to be an attack, the coin/developer would have to be important enough for someone to have an reason to attack them. This shitcoin is worth zero, and I would not have acted differently towards any developer of any other coin (provided that the course of actions was exactly the same).
3) You don't know how the trust network works, yet you make claims on what should or should not be? Definitely smart. ::)

Campaign != airdrop.

Relevance?

There is only 1 reasonable course of action: The developer needs to get more negative ratings, from more DT members.

1) I dont know what you're reading but this thread is litterally about those trust ratings and their implications. The fact IMO they cannot be trusted invalidates them in my eyes. I.e. I used to see the red numbers next to a persons profile and steer clear now I will just ignore them because I know they cant be trusted.

2) Why not just leave one negative trust rating if you feel so strongly that this is a scam, spamming the trust rating seems like an attack to me and further feeds into why I would no longer trust the trust system here, to me this seems like an abuse of the system. If it were just the one, even though I wouldnt necessarily agree with it, I wouldn't have bothered posting here.

3) Even though I dont know how the default trust network works I know how the trust system in general works and IMO if the people at the "top" of the trust system cant be trusted in my view the whole system cant be trusted.

IMO both sides have some questionable things, crypto-rainbow using the context of an airdrop for a campain and yourself for attacking him with the trust system, there is the miss step of him asking for positive feedback but I see that as an honest mistake trying to ask for help with a broken system when he should have posted here or contacted a mod. It all just seems like something that could have been resolved with an open discourse before jumping stright in with scam accusations and neagtive trust ratings.

At the end of the day this is just my opinion and I cant do anything more than express it in the hopes it will improve things in the future as a trust system that isnt abused could be a great feature but as it stands I feel it can do just as much harm as good.

I hate to say it but to me it seems like children playing games instead of adults trying to build a safe community.

20+10% part is very very questionable. If you check many other projects you will agree with me.

It is not. This thread was made by a shill, complaining about things that he doesn't even understand. The trust ratings are backed up by reference ratings and each of the three is perfectly valid.

Do I look like a time traveler? It doesn't seem like you've spent more than 2 minutes looking over the situation, and just came to complain. ::)

No, it's quite obvious that you don't even have the elementary understanding of the system in place. This is just more evidence that this thread is full of shills.

No, that's not a honest mistake especially not after it was followed by a fake retaliatory rating¹ which was full of baseless accusations. Contacted a mod? ::) Moderators have nothing to do with ratings, which are not moderated.

Shills complaining about their shady overlord getting what he/she/it deserves*.

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1 - Part of what he wrote on my wall: "because s/he did many mis-deeds in the past to the people and like stealing their money and reputation.". He claims that I have stolen money. Is this a honest mistake too? ::)

Can you explain how it fits in the light of a personal attack.

In what dimension does being a signature campaign manager mean being a developer? The only attack here is the one by the developer and his army of shills.::)

Is there a bounty payments reports in Deep Onion thread? I'd like to see a link. Bounty budget is huge and he can send big payment for the easy tasks to his friends. I think community should see all details of bounty payouts.

I'm not a friend but quite sympathetic. Your question is interesting and can cause support in the original topic. If you come there without attacks like a dogemajestic. IMHO.
So you blame the lie and are a member of another team.
Unexualness is the smallest expression that can be applied.
Die down on your ego.

You claimed that I was the developer of some other coin, which I am not -> you lied (for whatever reason). I am a member of plenty of teams/groups, which has no relevance to this shitcoin nor its developer.

That's not even a word.

Stop trust farming, being greedy and get some education. ::)

You understand well what smells is not a word.

What does "well what smells" mean ???
No shit it is not a word, it is a sentence captain obvious  ;D
I do not however understand, what kind of problem you have with Lauda?
Lauda might be maybe too strict on some occasions, however he/she is always reasonable about their decisions and such.
That is why Lauda is a DT member because of the responsibility and strictnesss (as well as always being fair and not bringing personal problems into business).

Forget the fud and nonsense that comes with this place. We trust you and support you. I mean what's the worst that can happen ??? He runs ! This is what comes from troll land.

Maybe 20% for marketing promotion is too much, but it depends on how deep onion dev do it.

And according to your theory, byteball 1% for dev is greedy too, Signatum 0% premined.

We can't really comment a coin on how much dev wanted to have.

I gave up the discussion here, as it is not really a discussion. Lauda basically said he/she wants to do whatever he wants, no rule, no reason, just what he wants. It's fine. It seems is the way of the trust system in this forum, so be it. Sigh.

There's nothing to discuss as you don't have a valid case and you're heavily biased towards the developer and the shitcoin.

Another false and defamatory claim. My rating (not that it is necessary) has been *re-enforced* by at least two other DT members. Please indulge me by explaining why I am wrong, again. ::)

I don't think that I have ever seen a larger collection of shills in one thread. This has to be a new feat.

Can a default trust member (Lauda) destroy other people's reputation??
 "Well what smells".
Captain obvious.

Yeah well you're 'captain nonsense', if I may be so bold. 
Fact is, most coins are scams and there appears to be some credible
evidence that this one is...so if anyone (that includes DT peeps) doesn't
trust the developers or the people trying to pump it into the stratosphere,
they are justified in leaving a red trust.  That's how the trust system works.
If you don't like it, that's cool but there isn't much you can do except complain.
This has been discussed to death already.  Not gonna change.

What was that word you made up in that other thread?  Something to do with
sex?  I had a little lol over that.

 All disputes arose out of fear for (90%) is premined at genesis block, at the moment the proposal is sounded,
"I am not Escsow!! just submitted the idea to the project was spot on. I can advise developers to contact respected bitcointalk SebastianJu !! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18640 !! "
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2006010.msg20704474#msg20704474
If the developer resolves, questions will disappear by themselves.

So 325 pages and a 5-page thread later, the ICO finally has an escrow? ::)

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Hindsight is 20/20

It is not an ICO. It is an "airdrop" where you have to wear an signature (and/or avatar?) and where your funds get locked up for a long period of time. ::)

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Does getting an escrow magically delete the trust farming? ::)

You make progress appearing here without magical shit and shill. Like  ;D
I advise you to rethink the concept trust farming. This is what you do here. In its pure form.
Does not require feedback.

Your point I assume is that he chides someone for investing in what he thinks is trash, and promotes a coin that you think is trash? One mans trash is another mans treasure, I don't think that point stands. Or were you pointing out that he called someone an idiot for investing in something he doesn't like, and that that somehow means he was working against their well-being? I think the opposite is true, if the opinion is genuine then I think it's fine to point out that he thinks it's a bad decision, and certainly is in their well-being. Arguably he could have put it "nicer", but it gets the point across well, and I got a laugh at the way the opinion was delivered. It doesn't seem to be a personal attack.

I can't believe I've spent so much time reading all of this thread and replying, but it's fun to delve into forum nonsense once in a while. My opinion that no one asked for is *drumroll* ... Lauda did a minor thing that they had every right to do, and shills responded in force. I've been following DeepOnion for a few days, even going so far as to create an account on their forum, asked some questions, I have a DeepOnion wallet. I think it's an interesting coin, but I also disagree (yet find amusing) how some have been incensed, and organised themselves into action over this. It's a disgusting side of internet culture (culture in general really), but fascinating. I just had to watch ;D

very well said, couldn't have said it better myself. people butt heads over their opinions on here all the time; presenting your opinion with reasons as to why x is a bad idea / scam as to dissuade others from dumping their money and time is more often than not met with shills and sockpuppets here of all places. sure lauda could've been less crass in how he put it in the quoted comment, but it stands there's reasoning behind it, and not at all just a personal attack. I've personally had zero negative interactions with lauda and have no reason to believe he would throw around his opinions without being able to back them up.

That's an objective assessment of the reality behind some of the top "currencies" (minus 1). Surely the usage of the word "scam" may be argued about, but that's often very subjective anyways. If you are too stupid to figure out the reasoning behind those statements and/or are unable to do the required research to come to the same conclusions, then I can only tell you "good luck with your life, you're going to need it". In addition to this, you're trying to insinuate that my involvement with BSD has something to do with this thread, your deeponion shitcoin or those statements. This only makes you look like an idiot. My opinions on those altcoins have been consistent (note: Some required certain events in the past to happen, thus opinion may not be the same since day one) long before I started managing the BSD campaign; the negative ratings were all warranted and backed up with references.

Something similar happened when someone exposed alts from the Turkish local board. A lot of them came running as true shills to back each other up, disgusting to say the least.

Kitty 'members. :-*

My personal experience with this coin is very positivie. Everything develops as promised till now, and they are very helpfull engaged and it is obvious that they are very skilled. So this FUD negative feedback just shows me how frightend are some by this project. Cheers

Why is this thread important again? ??? Went through so much shit forgot the topic  ::)

I don't know Lauda, nor have I read all of this thread, but something smells well fishy about DeepOnion.

 The other day, after discovering that the 'Tor based token` wallet did not work in Linux, I asked the OP of the ANN (Crypto Rainbow),

 "after downloading and extracting the 'wallet' file for Linux v1.1 from the DeepOnion website, which application is required to open, deeponiond?"...

 ...to which he replied, "YES"...  

   ??? ??? ??? ??? Wtf????

 so, to be clear 'DeepOnion' is a token to 'give you absolute privacy and anonymity', which only has wallets in Windows and Mac?


 Yeah right..............

       AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      


        SCAM!!!!!!!!

 :-*

But, but, my precious onions??? This coin is 100% anonymous!! :'(

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/_sbYKw.gif

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Just wait till they come swarming in here and attacking you; wouldn't be surprising given what they've been doing recently.

 Probably...

  I got my posts deleted in the ANN for asking that question, along with asking, "if they thought Mossad and co. were actually our friends?"

 To me, it's either kids (idiots) having a go at getting rich quick, or it is something worse.

most likely both, idiots + something worse

Confused here  ???

Where I come from, if you don't give a damn about something, you ignore it.  It shouldn't be taking up any space in your mind ::)

I really don't see the need for the character assassination of a developer who has a coin that you don't care about ??

Why get yourself all annoyed and worked up ??

you don't like the coin ??   So what---- I don't like cheese..  

But I don't go around chastising everyone who eats the stuff..  

But I Do Like ONIONS  :D :D :D :D

Take a chill pill @Lauda... life's too short dude  8)

Actually, some people care about others and try to warn them of potentially dangerous situations.

OK you don't like cheese, you say? But what if a certain cheese is actually going bad and turning poisonous? You'd just "mellow" and let others eat it?

Isn't cheese supposed to be Rotten and Rotting ??
Can't be 100% because i don't care for it, so I simply ignore it  :o :o

Don't care much for this negativity either as I got no time for it.
But One last thing before I take my own advice and clear the space in my mind that these Negative attitudes are taking up.

If your a cheese lover and you don't like onions...  Bit of a dilemna when someone gives you cheese & onion crisps  :P :P :P

No, that's not how intelligent beings work and do not generalize.

If we measured the value of this project in bytes, as in space that it would occupy, it would take up 0 bytes. ::)

Facts != character assassination.

Pretty sure that I am neither? Poker face as always.

You and people like you are part of the reason for which shitcoins exist and for which people get scammed. Just FYI.

You and people like you are part of the reason for which shitcoins exist and for which people get scammed. Just FYI.
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From what I have read about you lauda the following phrase comes to mind, bearing in mind I will probably end up with a cildish driven negative trust feedback

"People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

I've got one for you too: