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I don't get it  ???

I agree.  Oh well.

scammers and bots don't bother to post anything of value thats the value of it.

Haven't seen any bot posts? They will get to thousands of posts in a matter of secs :)

mostly junk though such as advertisments  ;D

yeah, so still doesn't make any sense.

if a bot spams the forums, at least the spam will be isolated in the newbies forum and not all over the place.   :D

Ok, much better :) Hopefully the bot will be spotted in the next 4hrs.

the sense of 5 posts is.... none, better way would  be 0.01 or 0.005 btc to get full access.
People would think twice before troliing

That already exists apparently. newbiejail.org (no idea if it works or not)

I also don't see the point



cough cough

If you don't see the point of worthless posts, well frankly, don't make worthless posts. There's plenty of opportunity in the newbie section to make valuable posts.

I see the point of making worthless posts for me: I'm making this post, to escape from newbie island.

From the perspective of the moderators or other users I can't see the point, because the hurdle - while annoying - is easy to overcome.

they make us because they can

Also not a fan of worthless posting... 1 down 4 to go!

there is no requirement that your posts be worthless. try doing 5 worthwhile posts.

oh good, is this the worthless post thread? if soi here is worthless post #3 for me. :D ;)

then I shall do my duty as well, to fill the newbie board with fluff...

I refuse to post simply for the sake of filling the newbie board with fluff.

Oh wait...  ;D

I like the idea of a tiny initial fractional charge for posting; plenty of other forums out there have a small one-time fee to keep the trolls and spammers out.  It is a bit of a hassle to build up five newbie posts so that I can thank the cudaminer devs and post my rig specs for feedback.

Robots don't like fluff, which is a well known fact.  These fluff posts are actually spambot repellent.   ;)

What sucks isn't having to come up with five posts... any of us could do that in a matter of minutes, blindfolded and standing on our heads...

what sucks is posting five messages... then having to lurk here for four freakin' hours to gain access to the message board for which we came here to participate...

I am not here to debate Bitcoins and Bitcoin companies and Bitcoin fees and all that jazz...

I am here because I utilize a specific website that will only communicate to its users through a message board on this site...

So, yes, there is a website owner out there... we'll call him 'Peter'... who has a wonderful entertainment website that is tons of fun to use...

but if you want to comment on it, or if you want to report a bug, you have to come here and be a newb for FOUR HOURS before you are allowed to post your comments/complaints on his own message board...

maybe that is genius...

what if you bought something from Walmart that was broken... and then you couldn't return it until you went through four hours of a 'How To Return Something' orientation seminar...

it would certainly cut down on their returns, huh?

like I said... his name must be 'Richard'...

~$1? I don't think it would stop many.

+1

The five posts stopped me from registering for awhile. I'm also just a very lazy person.

great, so I jsut spent the past 30 mins trying to figure out what am i missing that i cant find the new post link...
i guess i know now

Post all the fluff!

Just one more deterrent to prevent bots from flooding the site. Your 5 posts don't have to be worthless  :)

Just fun!

Five posts for spam deterrence. At least the forum is free otherwise.

Gotta keep the spambots out

I am a "newbie" and this post help me.

5 posts isn't hard to get so I'll go ahead and make some :)

Your five posts reveal something about the kind of critter you are. You are posting to readers who wonder whether you will say anything worth reading.

How many worthless posts would you be willing to read? (Me neither).

Think of it as a maturity test.       :)

even a small fractional cost wouldn't be effective against spammers.. if it was cheap enough to not be a deterrent to user growth. Maybe it would be better if there was an option to donate? Similar to reddit gold or something.

Think of it as bitcoin mining - easily-verifiable proof-of-work...

I honestly needed 20 attempts at solving the reg captcha. I wonder if bots are able to register at all, given humans already have a hard time doing that.

Hah yea the captchas here are pretty tough to read sometimes.

This said, coinvisitor (may it rest in pieces) had a pretty nice one click captcha, I'd say humans were able to solve it in 95% of all cases. Wondering why that isn't used more widespread.

And don't get me started on those slide captchas (I currently can't came up with the name.) Those guys have terrible performance problems, more often than not those captchas wouldn't load at all.

What came first, the troller or the spam?

12 posts and still a newbie. What gives? Definitely been on here more than 4 hours too...

Hmm

"Burying this 3 pages deep" -- he said?

concur.

I think it's important to take steps like this to increase the quality of the posts on this forum, even if they aren't perfect.

I think to prevent spam and bots posting on the main forum.

It's a pretty good system to ensure everyone in the forum has a certain degree of protection.

I think it is just to remove the bulk of spam accounts entering the rest of the forum.

How long after 5 before you can post? I have over 1 day logged in plus 5 posts and still no access. Just want to post sale request.

i know dat feel

I guess the point of 5 worthless posts is that now everyone is replying to this "5 worthless posts" to talk about it and at the same time accumulating 5 worthless posts.

I's quite annoying as I'm following the forum for almost three years now, but didn't register before.
Now I registered only for participate in group buy and have to post  5 useless posts only to be allowed to post where I should :)

BR,

bob

this is a worthless post :P

Oh, this is where we unload worthless posts, awesome

post 3

And here goes another one :)

OK, one more microscopic piece of spam coming up.  :-*

I'm done, i have enough :)

post 4

just to reduce the risk of bot post

What a great topic to post a worthless post !

There's nothing I want to post in the newbie section

scammers and bots don't bother to post anything of value thats the value of it.

Same happen to me here. Pretty boring.

Still don't get it?... Many people earn permanent "ignore" status before they even get out of the newbie quarantine zone.

For others, the "ignore" button gets pushed later, after they try a few troll posts and readers give them the benefit of a small doubt by looking up their post history.

If you post worthless posts, you will be treated as a worthless poster sooner or later, after which you just post into a vacuum. Not a bad system, all in all.

Post away!

Why can't we just pay to prove we're not spam accounts >.< Would much rather pay like 0.01BTC or something!

post 5...

You've made my ignore list. Congrads, u b z 1st.

It stops junkers coming in and spamming the main board immediately.
The 4hours I understand but yeah maybe not the posts...
I already know a lot about BTC so there's not much I want to post in Newbies!

post1  ;D

This is a worthless post too but I don't know how many more worthless posts I have make.

Then again a worthless noob forum deserves to have worthless posts.

At least I am not trying to scam people by promising bitcoins for clicks and then not delivering.

So what happens if they hit ignore?  That doesn't seem like punishment to me at all. The forum has tons of users and you are guaranteed to piss of some of them no matter what you say.

*insert worthlessness here*

It's not "punishment". It's just that in this forum nobody needs to read posts from people they perceive to be making worthless noise. No emotion needed. You can ignore whomever you wish, but they can ignore you too.

Someone who posts nothing but junk eventually winds up talking only to himself/herself and nobody cares. Someone who pushes the "ignore" button out of spite or mean-spiritedness locks himself out of reading potentially-valuable posts. That's OK too - self-inflicted wounds.

People can always turn "ignore" back on or off if they change their minds about the nature of a poster.

Ahhh the newbie board. Good times...good times.  8)

4 hours is annoying .

second post HURRAY

I remember having a similar feeling, but look at it this way...

If you can't think of anything worthwhile to say - any worthwhile contribution to make - while you're in newbie quarantine, then why would that change if you were suddenly allowed to post anywhere?

The best way out of your dilemma is to think of useful things to post - form a habit that will make people eager to read your stuff no matter what thread it's in.

I think newbies have the impression that only newbies read the newbie forum and that only other newbies will read their posts. Not so - many/most/all of the regulars read newbie stuff. Everyone was a newbie at some point.

Bottom line to OP's question though - the only point of making 5 worthless posts is to depict yourself as someone who makes worthless posts. It's a much wiser tactic to make five worthwhile posts, but everyone has to figure things out in their own way.

Yeah but they'll be over quick if you'd actually search the forums to learn. You may be restricted from posting elsewhere but you're not restricted from reading. Go learn a few things and it'll make your 4 hours fly quicker. I'm not sure but i think you can still mark a thread as watched. So if you bump into an interesting thread while you wait to complete your 4 hours you can keep an eye on that thread and participate in it once you graduate from the nube section. The key is to be productive. If you complain a lot bout being "stuck" in the nube section it seems that you won't be of much help to the community. Just keep all this in mind.

I think this is for the betterment of the forum.

I would imagine that non-Newbie status posters rarely take a look at this forum. While I agree with some sort of mechanism to insure that new accounts are legitimate users that have a positive interest in things, I feel the current mechanism only fills the the Newbie section with fluff and non important topics, and only provides a 4 hour wait time for bots/spammers to do any damage.

I don't have a cure all answer to this problem, maybe a time based system where posts are initially limited and additional posting cap razed as the account matures by age or # of posts. Also maybe implement the ability to reduce an accounts posting cap if any of the posts are flagged as spam or offensive.

Just some thoughts from a newbie who needs to make 5 posts to be able to use this forum, while simultaneously trying to suggest improvements to the process in the spirit of the forum.

It's pretty easy to also tell people who spammed their 5 posts to get our of newbie section. If you look @ someone's first 5 posts, if they're just there to get out of newbie section it makes it much more likely they're a scammer.

Peek-a-boo.       :)


Raised, I assume, for "razed". Interesting idea. I hope you'll mention it to the mods when you get your non-newbie chance soon. Really!


I remember that self-conscious feeling. Is anybody listening? Do I really have to do this? Should I pretend to do something useful to beat the system?... Relax - it's your system you are trying to improve. The newbie thing will be over before you know it. As a quick self-test of any suggestion for improvements to the newbie system, ask yourself whether you would still think it was an improvement if you were no longer a newbie? Will you still champion the idea when you are on the other side of the fence? Yours has merit, I think. Most don't - they are blatantly short-sighted, self-serving, opportunistic and not at all aimed at improving the community.

See you on the inside soon (he said smugly).
     

To make sure your not a scammer.

i am not a spammer (i think)  ;D

except that would require a great deal of work by the moderators to keep track of who donated and is now allowed access.  This is easier.

It's only 5 posts, not a big deal.

It's not that big of a deal. You could technically do it in a few minutes, and still provide helpful information.  :-\

Welcome to the newbie prison.

Makes it harder for bots and saves the mods a considerable amount of "moderation" ;)

course to avoid spam

Not only does it help with spam but I think it's a good practice overall anyways, makes people get more involved in the community as soon as they sign up. I'd think it makes for a lot less accounts that aren't ever being used to post too.

Why do you make them worthless, instead of using the opportunity for a strong introduction?

mostly junk though such as advertisments 

took me trying to reply to 3 posts before i figured out i was trapped in here  :)

Anyone try this?

Much moreso than 5 posts.

To me it seems quite logical to have a 5 post history to use the forum in general. People who scam and spam i think might not do so here just for the shear inconvenience. hopefully these folks with just move along to another place to do their dirty work.

Also in 5 posts people will probably get a sense of the typr of person you are.

Anyway, I am new to bitcoin and play poker on seals with clubs, a bitcoin poker site.

I am excited to learn more about btc through this forum

 ;D

Problem is though, I see scammers all over the forum. I browse the custom hardware sub forum allot since that's my interest, think I saw a good 5 threads just this week for scamware, shame too looking at the blockchain some people actually buy into them. I mean its not hard to just bs these posts for scammers but it probably keeps bots out alright.

I don't know but it has to be done!

I see the point of making worthless posts for me: I'm making this post, to escape from newbie

these newbie posts have been a waste of time.  i had a potentially important bit of information i wanted to share.

How much posts exactly needed for using forum on 100%? :))) ???

What a great topic to post a worthless post !

Welcome to the forum. ;D

enough to increase the number of your post!

For fun I suppose and help grow the forum community?

one *good* post would be worth a lot more than 5 no-op posts like this one.

annoying, but at least there is less spam in the forum

i have proposition so you could post also in alternate currencies thread. because some people are creating accounts for their new coins so its logical they dont have posts and this part of forum is trash anyway ;)

If you don't see the point of worthless posts, well frankly, don't make worthless posts

Preventing spammers.
At least delaying!

To avaoid Bots..

consider it just a proof of work.

Making a topic about worthless posts to post worthless posts. Awesome.

You could have made this one good.

Just for fun.

Post #1!

Post #2!

Post #3!

post 2

Post #4!

The point is to determine if you can post quality posts.. Of course, the problem is that no one checks them..

Wow, could you not at least try to pretend to play the game properly?

I don't get it too.

I don't get how your first 5 posts are "useless". I pretty much remember my "noob" phase as a very intense time, which I spent intensely browsing these forums, and my first posts where questions/comments about many issues that were still unclear to me. Your first posts are what you make them - try not to make them useless.

that would be good if anyone would check if that posts are useless or not because right now its not working as intended. i proposed ability to rate posts in another thread - that ability would open whole new solutions for spam/stupid posts problem

I am a bot. Please kick me /sarcasm

 :P

Wanna bet?              :)

hi all

What game?

The point of having someone post five times before being let loose is to build trust. If you're a one-timer that just wants to post a link to your new spam-filled site, not having five newbie posts will help to prevent that spam. This system is to (hopefully) determine if you actually want to contribute to the community.

Just for fun.

at least there's no BTC charge like the .it wiki site ;/

I've made 5 posts but still can't post elsewhere...

Maybe it's been updated to 10 posts?

No it seems like it's not even 10. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. I need to ask something in the blockchain.info thread, but I can't. I'm going to start spamming posts in this thread until I'm able to post elsewhere.

You also need 4 hours online time, you're barely over an hour.

You get to sit here clicking around for another 3 hours, more posts won't do anything at this stage.

Ugh. Thanks, Caesium.

You can say hello to everybody who doesn't care

Supposed to stop/slow down spammers and bots I would imagine.

I think the newbie system here is great  ;)

Maintains the quality of the forum for all and deters (most) scammers.

If you had used your opportunity to ask the question when you made your post, I would have given you an answer.

nothing

Somewhere there's a point.

Getting to 5 now (:

I lost count but I think I'm over 5.

Man - that - was - the - hardest - thing - I've - ever - done - in - my - life  :D

What does it mean to have worth, anyway?  It's all relative right?  Perhaps some researcher somewhere is data mining this forum and your post has proven something about the speaking patterns of humans.

Just kidding.

Did you take the red pill or the blue pill?  :D

I think the attitude of making worthless posts is the problem, you could easily use your first 4 hours to soak up as much knowledge as you could. On my personal account I had more than probably 14 hours on the board before I made a post. When I got here it was just so much to learn so I dove in head first. I mean I still have a ton to learn but just observing and taking things in are more valuable than most people think.

Sure, but just because you're a forum newbie, doesn't mean you're a bitcoin newbie.

The posts are not worthless if you make them valuable.  Do your best.
Established members do read in this area.  Do your best.
Post your questions and comments.  Do your best
I suspect that you can move your thread to another area after you achieve status.  Do your best.

ok, so i came to this forum, checked some posts that really took my interest, registered, to stay notified and now i would have a real question concerning one of the entries ... what now... for me those 5 posts are kinda like worthless... forces me to produce junk or come up with needless questions that might already be answered elsewhere for getting the info...  ???
so whatever i think 3 to go...  :D

I think the value is to only have the serious posters actually getting access to the other forums.

seems like you just made yourself a serious poster with that entry  ;) fives are full ...

In the name of posting, I am getting another post in.

As for the logic in this, without a more robust reputation system or integration with Google/Disqus/OpenID, it's an easy, but tedious, method.

ok, need to do this now - gotta head on to more interesting stuff...
for that sake i state that this entry is just rubbish for the sql database - thank you database for letting me generate more sophisticated subjects now...

I think that it is to stop spam and such.

security reason i guess

Just a protection, understandable.

The four hours is the real wall - why does everyone go on about the posts?

It is not that hard to write five posts!

 ;)

So moderators dont delete your posts?

No - maybe because mine are somewhat useful and I display an actual knowledge of crypto (and they are more than 6 words long - on average).

I didn't realise they did this I have never had that problem.

Are you sure they do this?

EDIT: Maybe they do delete posts like your one above - as it is so short.

another one...

Yup, that's an important part of it. You'll also find it handy when you're wondering whether to add someone to your ignore list - look back at their post history. If it's junk, it's probably safe to ignore their future offerings unless you're a masochist. I saw one today - dozens of posts, each with the single word "bump" - I imagine he thought he was beating the system. No matter - I'll never have to read his stuff again, and neither would you unless you choose to. Self-inflicted wounds, nice system.                     :)

I don't really get this either. Just because somebody is a noob automaticaly is a troll? or a a bot or whatever? Somebody needs to rethink this, this is a waste of time and time is money :X

Yea the 5 posts is nothing compared to the 4 hours of activity.  At least there aren't any captchas here like on SR forum where you need 50 posts I think it was.   That took me 4 hours in itself.

Maybe to prove your not a SPAM bot?

For verification?

I just keep remembering to write these posts every time I see some other post I would like to reply to :D

To prevent scammers.

thank.......

its to prove your not a bot...

4 more to go.  ;D

mostly junk though such as advertisments 

Going from jr to full member is a lot harder than going from newbie to jr

I am not a bot, I am a free man...

I think this restriction is simply forcing newcomers to post garbage.  Why?  Because most people will only actually register on a forum when they want to contribute to a thread they have been following, or to ask a question in same.  Very frustrating. This forum is likely missing out on a fair amount of valuable contributions due to this restriction, because a lot of people simply won't bother.

I want to break free-eee....  :(

Same, so another useless post before I can add something interesting to the trading discussion forum.

the requirements of 5 posts generate spam because many only lurking here and when they want post outside newbie area, they need to make 5 posts in newbie section asap

at least all the spam and worthless content is kept to the noob section

Got it! But won't share my eureka moment. :P

Lol... I'm a human with free will please let me into the other broads... LOL

It's not about the posts as you will soon see- try accumulating 4 hours of time here

It's a minimal effort requirement to build trust... and to learn how to click the post button :)

at least there are threads like this so i dont have to spam more useful threads.
thanks!

lol

Once done we can all have fun around the forum :)

The point of "5 worthless posts" is so that we dont get more worthless posts from people like you. No offense.

Its just to help the system not get overloaded with spam and a lot of worthless stuff. Its pretty good tbh. The time limit is a pain though...

It's a part of our "training" i guess. Cope with it. :p

They should change the conditions of the 5 post, as I've seen before in a non related forum as it wont let you  into certain areas in the forum unless you have a certain amount of useful, helpful/informative post, all other post wont count, which they kind of have in the whitelist section but should definitely be expanded here to reduce the one word post, hi,ty, etc

Yeah, this is not a really new concept.  It helps cut down on a flood of the same questions and comments from being spammed all over.  Hopefully in the 4 hours everyone takes the time to see if what they wanted to post about is already covered.

Yeah, we hardly get any freedoms lol

Wow... This thread has taken a life of its own! ;D

I subscribe that it's worthless.

I have arrived. Here is 1st post  :P

Oh why oh why must I post 5 times to enter thy great forum.

Anything worth doing just takes time. I love this forum and highly recommend it!

it's not ideal.... but i guess it helps with bots.

I'll add my 5 cents (:

It's kinda worthless still...

I don't know.

I don't know but thanks for providing a place for me to spin my counter in a somewhat on-topic way.

The Most on-topic posts are made in off-topic newbie thread  ;D

Hello,

Apparently I need to write 5 posts.

Thanks

the drop post

Bump...not that it's needed, but it's still a post.

Is annoying as there's a thread above I'd like to say something really clever.

Oh, only one more to go!

me too

Honestly, I don't understand the 5 post minimum. I joined the site to give thanks to someone who posted some information that solved a problem.

I joined to thank someone for creating a program that I have found incredibly useful.  The four hour time frame has been harder for me than the post minimum.

Here is me showing I'm not a bot or something of the like!

Here's my 5th post. Yay I'm free!!

To prevent bots.

It could be to actually start you on a trend of posting in the hopes that you might break the ice and be helpful to each other...  yup, I know it's kind of a mind-f**k  :-P

1) Instead of worthless posts why not post something about how you got interested in bitcoin, how long you've been involved, whether you mine or buy BTC, etc.? Posting a bunch of worthless posts just to get your numbers up will eventually get you ignored by other members.

2)You will appreciate this hurdle directed against spammers and scammers once you get through.

3)For those rushing to get through for group buys, there are new ones posted all the time.

4)If you are a long time lurker but recent registrant you already know all this.

I second that. lol  ;D

I don't know what possessed me to wait so long to register. Of course I want to comment now but I need these posts.
Hmmm, worthwhile post...does anyone think there will be a flood of cheap video cards to ebay shortly?