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Will bitcoin hard fork in November result in a third coin forked out from "Bitcoin"?

yep

the devs of core have already ruled out making core compatible and done everything they can to force it to be an altcoin.

this is why blockstream employees can no longer deny that they control bitcoin
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11128

sipa closed it the same day it was opened, giving no chance for the community to review, interrogate, consider or choose

real funny part
https://bitcoincore.org/en/2017/08/18/btc1-misleading-statements/
they pretend upgrades should only happen with community support yet do everything to avoid community involvement/choice

"Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss"

T]here is a discrepancy between those who can provide input to the project (the community at large) and those who have the ultimate call as to where the project is going. Indeed, while anyone is entitled to submit changes to the software (such as bug fixes, incremental improvements, etc.), only a small number of individuals (the core developers) have the power to decide which changes shall be incorporated into the main branch of the software.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-highly-centralized-network-says-harvard-researcher/

A second hard fork from Bitcoin was previously expected to occur only in November with the advent of SegWit2x.

Is it truly essential for BTC to hard fork again to increase the size of the blocks? Wasnt Segwit enough already?

If Jeff Garzik and his people were sensible, they should delay the November hard fork and think about it further. Segwit2x should also provide replay protection for its users. I heard there was none. Is this true? Why dont they want it to have replay protection?

I guess there would really be a hard fork and the ensuing "split" resulting into the birth of another altcoin just like what we experienced with BitcoinCash (BCH). Anyway, I am not a very technical person so I could not delve on its many technical aspects as most of them are beyond my simple grasp.

What I understand is that just like the BCH in August all Bitcoin holders would also be receiving their own share of this coming new altcoin and that is where the excitement is all about as it can mean free airdrop of possible money for all of us. I understand that this new fork may not really be good for the image of Bitcoin but there is nothing we can do if that would be the decision of those people involved.

I would just be glad to receive my share of the new coin. 

well so far this hard fork has 95.7% of the miners support according to coin.dance! and it will be nothing like bitcoin cash crappy and forced fork that nobody even wanted. and when miners support is that high, and if it stays high by that day, it means there won't be any other chain remaining unless the other chain also hard forks to change the difficulty the PoW or something like that to survive with no hashrate.

this is why i still don't know what SegWit2x is going to do to bitcoin!

What are they going to call it?

Is it possible they could give it a decent name this time? Maybe something that doesn't imply that it's fiat currency?

Maybe they should call it Fucking Bitcoin so we can refer to it as F-Btc for short. What do you think?

                     As for me, what is going to happen will still be happening, we just cannot say in advance but lets just wait what will happen, anyway they said it is for our own good or to make the bitcoin economy better. I have also heard so many rumors about side effects that can cause a lot of trouble to us, but still I don't know if its true or not.

there it have again ithink this is the time again to buy bitcoin..like in the last hardfork bitcoin is dump and is time to buy more bitcoin again i guess l...

Does this mean another airdrop just like what happen last August, we need a fork that will solve our existing problem right now but this is not good for bitcoin to have so many fork the price get unstable every time there's news of new fork

This is my first time to hear this news. If bitcoin will fork and fork and continue producing new alternative coins then, the whole alt coin ecosystem will be polluted with shitcoins.
I thought it will just be a soft fork and it is far different from hard forking.

This is why I think it is better to have hardfork on bitcoin. we all know that the confrimation on transactions getting slow thats why we need to upgrade the speed of bitcoin.

First off, I think this rumoured November fork will spread another FUD in the Bitcoin community and  plunge the price. Maybe, October will be the right time to buy more Bitcoin because of expected panic sell off.

To iamTom, this may not necessarily create an excitement for all the way it did for you during the August fork. There was a dude here who lost 45.8btc for attempting to claim the BCH from the Electrum wallet. In his confusion, just like many of us were, he wrongly downloaded a fake Electrum wallet from www.electrum-wallet.com and transferred the said amount of coins. And off his coins went. As at the time of the incidence those coins were worth over $150,000. I don't know if dude is still alive or he committed suicide thereafter.

Yes it is bound to happen this November so we will just expect another price correction by then. Although I think it will not greatly affect the market unlike the split with Bitcoin Cash. That's my take on the next Segwit happening in a few months.

What will happen to BCash? I mean, they can't support both

Charlie lee, who is the founder of litecoin, posted in his twitter.

I am against Segwit2x hardfork in November due to 3 reasons: - lack of urgent need - lack of replay protection - lack of consensus

I totally agree with him. Now the mempool is almost empty and transaction fee is as low as several cents. There is no urgent need to increase the size. We at least can delay and have more discussion.

They could care less, because this is just another attack on the Legacy/original Bitcoin. It is also a opportunity to divide the community and also a good opportunity to make a lot of money from the free coins.

I would not be amazed if BCash will go the same way as Bitcoin XT < Gone and forgotten >

The fork is just a power struggle between two groups of developers, who wants to be in full control over Bitcoin. The group on the BCrash side knew if they brought out a new Alt coin, it would not succeed, but if they fork Bitcoin and they can get enough people to support it, they would stand a chance to be in control. ^grrrrrrr^

It reminds me of what Wu jihan said, America is America, it is not England. Bitcoin cash is Bitcoin cash, it is not bitcoin.   lol. Think about it. Bitcoin is really what they want. Not Bcash.

lets clear this matter up

replay protection is not needed!

whn a implementation wants to utilise consensus to upgrade the network when it activates there would be only ONE network, meaning no double coins.. just a majority continuing on one network and a minority stalled with orphans unable to sync. end of

when core demand replay protection they are basically saying they want to create an altcoin by refusing to be part of the upgrade(new implementation(bip)) and will force a altcoin generation if people run the new implementation(bip).

what core should be doing is not being dictators and cause an altcoin. but instead let consensus do its job.

core have bypassed consensus a couple times now to follow the dictator roadmap designed by blockstream and tried pointing fingers elsewhere

EG avoided consensus and then gave the vote to only pools and then hypocritically blamed the pools.

in november core will have code to avoid communication with the next bip yes CORE putting in code to avoid communication with the next bip implementations.. but core will again blame the implementation when infact its core causing the split.

i really wish more people would understand the technology, code, rules and whats actually going on, instead of reading the reddit propaganda

As a bitcoin holder, and speak for many other bitcoin holders and exchanges, what we want is a smooth and stable bitcoin, less confusion and faster transaction, less fees, etc.  Would you like to address to people who think there is no such an urgent to split in November because now bitcoin is low transaction and more segwit deployment would empty more block space. We can at least wait to the point that the block is so full that we can try to increase the block size again.

How do you determine majority and minority? Companies (major economic nodes) might decide for their users, but can they deal with the blowback if they were wrong about what users wanted?

Replay protection is required if users are unsure which chain to follow. If both chains are viable, they ought to have the option, rather than many people instantly losing their coins on one chain or the other.


On the contrary, they are simply giving users a choice, rather than forcing a hard fork through their software which many people don't support. This way, users can have a choice one way or the other.

I get it: you'd prefer one chain, no split. Wouldn't we all? The question is, which chain is that?

Hard fork digital currency (cryptocurrency) is a very technical issue. You must save your Bitcoin with a dedicated Bitcoin wallet provider platform that has teams with world-class technical competencies, along with world-standard security, such as Luno.

I'm not too worried. When it suits their political agenda, miners like Bitmain will just spam the network and drive fees up anyway. We need to focus on layer 2 solutions regarding scaling. But more important than that: we need to focus on privacy and fungibility. Government intrusion and blockchain analysis are becoming increasing threats. Just look at BTC-e.

For the coming November hard fork, I think it is for the better sake of the bitcoin enthusiast for this event. Besides, whatever may happen on  that day let is put trust everything in the above, all I know is it is surely for good as well. I do believed also after this November bitcoin will continue rise again to reach 10, 000$. But still lets see what will happen of course.

is this bitcoin cash ??? i’m newbie here

nope. some might say "same shit, different day" but the planned november fork seems to have much more economic backing. most miners signed the NYA, and so did most big businesses like bitpay and coinbase and dgc (silbert/GBTC), etc.

and there seems to be more support among users as well. so i'm less confident that things will go quite as smoothly this time. the core developers and many users are still opposing the fork, so a major split seems very possible.

I just hope they do whatever it takes to get the Lightning Network up and running. We cannot continue with this low transaction processing capability and high transaction fees. Not that they have been too bad as of late, but it is still a major issue that needs to get addressed asap! I would much prefer instant, nearly free transactions like the early days of Bitcoin over large fees and long wait times, even if this involves a hard fork.

So you know a replay protection is required, because a split may happen.
Do you really think the Core dev will let a bunch of political lobbyists hijack Bitcoin ?

It may or may not happen. But my concern is "are they gonna protect us from replay attacks?" and "is it gonna be smooth fork just like bitcoin cash?" I am really nervous about these fork discussions.

They really decide internally ? and doesn't even take time to consider what community wants?. It seems like i smell a politics here, maybe they are really planning to control bitcoin but if that's the case , does a secret entity do control them? This is really contentious.

The fork will happen in November as being propagated by the promoters and another coin will come just like we had BCH and now we are having another rain drop of free money being pumped into the market. In all, I still think bitcoin core which is the one we are much more about and the centre of attraction will be stand tall in the midst of the storm.

When BCH forked, they had about 5% of the hashing power (I think, don't know the exact number anymore).
Segwit2x has about 90% at the moment.
F2Pool said to withdraw the support, but hey still flag it. And because they still flag the support we must assume they will keep supporting.
When you just look at those numbers, everything points to the conclusion that this time the new chain will be the stronger one. By far.

I think segwit in november will make bitcoin better,
yes there may be more schisms
and will give birth to a new coin again like BCH
we just wait and enjoy the process ,, it will not harm us

the main core devs are part of the "political lobbyists"
the NYA (segwit2x) is headed by barry silbert who owns DCG.co
check DCG portfolio (http://dcg.co/portfolio/#b).... oh look bloq (jgarzic) and blockstream(sipa)
what you need to realise is the lobbyists BAITED segwit2x because the majority of the community wanted 2x, but the lobbyists wanted segwit.
so now they got their segwit. they are now refusing the 2x part
its called a bait and switch

but as the links in my past post showed, the devs decided THEIR direction for bitcoin WITHOUT the community.

In and by itself... nothing good. 

as a relative newbie to the bitcoin scene I dont like
all this forking, I would have preferred the November fork
before the August fiasco as there seems to be more industry
backing of the one coming up. The only thing is FREE coins,
it cannot be good, will it be just diluting the bitcoin pool?

If this is possibe, it's time to stock up our bitcoin to have another free altcoin just like BCC but does our wallet includes here?
Last time i have a portion of my BTC in bittrex and automatically having a airdrop of BCC. Hope wallets are also included in this. Kampay!!!

Excuse me but lets not get into the politics and the counter propaganda. Isnt it dangerous for the users not to have replay protection in case of another fork happening? That would be unfair for some of them because there are some who dont want to use Segwit2x coins. Is the concern for the safety of our coins one of the objectives of the hard fork?

political crap and propaganda is the main part of scaling debate. just in this topic and others regarding this, 90% of the comments are throwing insults at individuals some calling core evil and others call J. Garzik evil! out of thousands and thousands of comments you rarely see "why 2 MB hard fork is bad" (possibly 1 out of 10,000) but you keep seeing people repeat same bullshits over and over again.

and as for replay protection, it is not needed if the fork has the overwhelming majority support. just the same way SegWit fork didn't need replay protection. the 2 MB hard fork is unclear now. we have to wait to see what will happen in reality. if nobody is left mining the 1 MB blocks there is no need for replay protection! but if the support falls below the current >95% then yes it is mandatory to have replay protection.

i personally am against this hard fork. it is too rushed because we just got SegWit and the 2 MB hard fork will double the potential capacity to 8 MB. there needs to be more time at least if we are to get that hard fork. this year is way too soon.
first let the wallets release their new version enabling SegWit transactions, implement the keys (BECH? or whatever it is called) and then let people switch and see how SegWit works and then we can talk about a hard fork.

Another segwit means another new altcoin ,thats exciting
meaning well be able to have that new coin equals to how many btc we have in the exchange..
means another extra profit 8) ;)

Is the price of bitcoin going to be largely afffected by this fork in november?

Jeff Garzik is a government puppet trying to get on top of the Bitcoin main branch development by stealing Bitcoin Core's hardwork and putting all of his "blockchain analysis" crap (google Jeff Garzik bloq) into the protocol.

Anyone defending segwit2x is a government shit or a retard, and must, and will, be stopped.

Miners are already defecting to avoid the disaster of 3 bitcoins and a massive price crash, nobody with a brain wants to be part of that, because they know they are going to piss a lot of people, maybe the wrong people.

Wang Chung from f2pool has already rejected the agreement and he is being threatened by Bitmain already:

https://twitter.com/f2pool_wangchun/status/902993967460925440

https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/905051845596471296

Segwit2x will fail just like all the other unnecessary hardfork attempts, and they will pay for the damage caused to Bitcoin holders.

Markets hate uncertainty. If there is uncertainty around a potential network split, contentious fork, etc. then I would expect that to be reflected in the market. We are still months away from the fork, though, so for now we can continue rallying to new highs. But come late October, I expect there to be some hedging against disaster.


Let's hope so. I'll say this: the forkers are getting better. XT was a joke and was easy to fight. Now we've got major mining pools fighting one another. Large services at odds with one another. And even internal struggles.... I saw the CEO and CTO of BitGo duking it out on Twitter yesterday. The interests behind Segwit2x are much more powerful than any previous fork attempt.

After the August hard fork ,i was not really afgected anymore in any issues regarding any correction or split . I will just keep on watching and believe that btc can recover in any storm .

How will the price of BTC be affected? And how about altcoins? Will we get more "free" money, just like it happened with BCH?

Another fork should mean another thing similar to BCH, which means free altcoins to sell for more BTC ;D. Not bad, as BCH thing was somewhat profitable for BTC holders.

They still don't control it.  Quote from Bitcoin Core:
See?  "Strongly advise", but they can't actually forcibly prevent anyone from running that client.
So he might claim, but the blocks are still suggesting that they support NYA.  I would take his words with a pinch of salt.

Jeff Garzik is convinced that he has enough hashrate and corporations behind him to turn btc1 into the official BTC.

f2pool is already out, we got some time to see more actors dropping from the agreement. If we end up with 3 Bitcoins it's going to be a mess, the market will crash and all the visible heads behind Segwit2x are going to be hated by every long term holder, and there's billions worth of long term holders that are going to be pissed at them. I hope they know what they are getting into, but hopefully we can avoid Segwit2x and continue to ATH with no drama.

Hello everyone, thanks for all your posts; however, I am still confused.

The Seqwit2x hard fork in November will create another altcoin. If I understood it correctly, there will be:
1) Bitcoin with Seqwit2x
2) Bitcoin as it is now.
Which of these are considered to be the original BTC and what is the name of the other one? Which developers and communities support which coin?

I would appreciate any comment on the topic.

SegWit2x is promised to be backed by some businesses and 85-90% of miners. It has no support from Bitcoin developers. It also doesn't mean that even it's supporters will treat SegWi2x as original Bitcoin, because if it will be traded on exchange against the original Bitcoin and if it will be weaker, it will open a huge arbitrage opportunity, which would cause a huge loses to supporters of 2x. It's also worth to mention that SegWit2x has less than 200 nodes.

Bitcoin as of now is supported by thousands of businesses all over the world, a huge team of developers and contributors and thousands of full nodes. There are no signs that Bitcoin community is going to switch to 2x, so that fork will have only a fraction of Bitcoin's ecosystem and economic strength.

It is interesting to see you finally looked up and realized everything can't be all about free money or airdrop. The proponents of Segwix2x are pushing to have their way with the network at all cost even if that means closing the door against  the core foundation of Bitcoin, which is exactly what Segwix2x is all about.

Segwit was a soft fork and its backwards compatible, while Segwit2x is a hard fork that could hurt BTC users because theres no replay protection in case the blockchain splits. Thats an important distinction.

Where does 95% of the support for Segwit2x come from? Does it come from the community?

It is very true that the supporters of the NYA are less in number and they are not gonna be high than bitcoin not today nor in the future. It will be the time to buy more bitcoin than selling your own bitcoin as in the past the price of the bitcoin hard fork and the price went down people bought more bitcoin and they are happy today to have those bitcoin so it will be good in the coming days as well no worries! Just chill and be patient.

Bitcoins 'core foundation' is impractical.

In real world practice Bitcoin can never really be decentralized.  Its centralized in its mining and its development.  Satoshis whitepaper reads like a manifesto. Did he actually believe mining would not lead to large pools run by a few centralized businesses?  He left and now we have new developers and now they are the leading Bitcoin in their direction(a realistic one).  If Satoshi has a problem with it, he can come out of retirement and say so.   :'(

If a consensus between Segwit2x and bitcoin core is not reached by November and there is a split in the network, then the price of bitcoin is sure to be affected, though we can be sure that bitcoin never stays down.

The last hard fork was really fine, so there's no need to be worry in my opinion.

Segwit makes everything tired, I have to move where my bitcoin?
Is this the main factor that inhibits the rise in bitcoin prices? I wonder if there will be a new bitcoin like bitcoin cash in a segment of August ago?

Yes, there will be a hard fork on November, and I’ve know that since August after the release of the so called Bitcoin Cash, which wasn’t as a result of any split. I believe the next split will be for the good of Bitcoin. I also expect the lightningnetwork to be released immediately after the fork.

In November prices of bitcoin will go high and that will be the best time for the investors who had invested in the bitcoin can earn more profit. No need to sale your bitcoins just hold them and then you will get the mind blowing result in the November that has ever been in history because bitcoin always give benefit to investors.

I am tired of hearing bad issues, and the impact is huge. this may be a risk to the trader.
it seems that every time we always face difficulties and big storms.
very sad.
when can we calm down ?? :'(

Nach der Hard-Fork, welche vom 1. August datiert, könnte bereits die nächste Splittung im November folgen. Das die schwerwiegenden Skalierungsdebatten, welche insgesamt über zwei Jahre andauerten nun der Vergangenheit angehören sollen, bleibt vermutlich weiterhin lediglich Wunschdenken.

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Well life is two: good and bad; high and low; profit and loss; man and woman, etc, you can never have just one because it is the other leg that makes the entire picture complete and meaningful. At any rate, if you are or become knowledgeable about the market, you would be able to follow and handle "bad issues" as you call them.

You can say that again, all of this negative deals that we are having with bitcoin you can surely make a it positive, well we are having a hard fork again but I think we will not having a split for this November because we recently have a split back in August so in my opinion it will only have a hard fork,

Lately, a lot of information has appeared that the subsequent hard fork in November will lead to the formation of another altcoyin. This serves as another incentive to transfer altcoyins to bitcoin, or simply invest in bitcoin, because in November, following this fork in the digital purse, where bitcoin will be stored, another coin appears that will have some value, as it was on August 1 with Bitcoin Cash.

The hardfork occurring in November is a nonfactor as there is barely any support behind it. If anyone is telling you there is they're lying, check out sites which list businesses against it, it's unanimous.

Definitely, that will result to a third coin forked from bitcoin. But then, I think, that will not significantly affect the value of bitcoin like what happened to BCC being forked from bitcoin (although bitcoin price dropped enormously in mid-July, 2017 even before the August 1 forking happened). It might drop for a while before November, but expect it to rise up later on after the forking is done.

I do not expect that to happen, if really hard fork happen bad things will come to BTC, The impact of china on the btc has been a big wave and if there continue to be bad things happen BTC could return to being a child. There will be a lot of investors have to dig holes buried themselves.

I don't think Bitcoin hard forks are problems at this point.

The last one was very positive for the crypto environment.

I'm still a newbie although I read that we really need to increase the blockchain the last forked made people thousands dollar richer, will the same scenario happen if a new free coin in case of a fork then I have to get as many Bitcoin I can.

You made me stronger with your statement there mate, such a simple statements could change a lot of things, in any case when we know how to handle tidal wave and hurricane storm only then we will see how beautiful the world could be including BTC How I wish I could save 10BTC when I reach the age of 27

Only one bitcoin and others just altcoins, it seems anything which not in line with core developers can't be implemented into bitcoin nodes, that's why scale solution implementation could take years to be activated, there are a lot of drama between core and miners to achieve an aggrement. However, if segwit makes bitcoin fees and confirmation time could be verified within 10 minutes or less than that, it would be nice, for now.

You are right, dude. It's the second fork and some say it would be the real test for Bitcoin. So, let's see what will happen on Bitcoin this November.

If the drama would be ONLY between core and miners  - no sadly the drama is fully decentralized between big parts of the community. It's a mess!

 

Hold on to your private keys and avoid any non-essential transactions in that period. Generally it's bad because people see it as a "free money". It can also cause confusion for the new investors if you have several different bitcoins, although there is eventually only one. Hopefully we won't see too many of such events in the future.

I do not think we have such move for now, we may not have a hardfork in November that will lead to a third coin out of bitcoin. If we would have a third coin i think it will still impact bitcoin price positively like what we have in August 2 this year. It then mean now is the best time to buy bitcoin.

Well yes the signatories of NYA will do the second  phase of segwit2x scaling proposal bitcoin core is against with segwit2x well there will be a chain split thus creating another bitcoin but the problem with segwit2x is they didn't include the replay protection segwit2x hard fork will be a controversial than bitcoin cash hard fork

Exchanges should ignore the politics and make it clear Bitcoin is the chain with most proof of work regardless of blocksize. The rationale is there are all kind of Bitcoin software in use already, like Core not compatible with SegWit2x, btc1 which require SegWit2x, and some software allowing both options like BU.

Yes just like what happened with the split of bitcoin last August 1, bitcoin cash isn't a big factor since there are some bitcoin supporters that are supporting both BCH and BTC. And this split made the price of bitcoin higher and so on. This is creating another alt coin and it's a money out of thin air for most of us. Realizing that even how many forks will happen people will stay on legacy bitcoin.

i really don't think there will be any 2x HF in November.

i expectation about hard fork in november are very positive for bitcoin get the majority decision bitcoin still remain in his position, its too early to worrying about the hard fork but i will stay relax and waiting for that time bitcoin goes strong and uprise the popularization.

a loud fork that occurred in the upcoming november is in the news will produce the third coin of bitcoin,
but we see the benefits
this might just strengthen the bitcoin exchange rate and make this into something useful and usable in the long term
this can be seen with the second coin of bitcoin (bitcoin cash) is able to increase profits for us, because bitcoin cash price rebounded when first appeared
and what we hope will happen will make us all have great benefits

Yes but it is getting the news of the market and the fork will happen as it is propagated by the bitcoin and the other coin promoters. It is said by the people that another coin will come as we have the bitcoin we are having another chance for the price to be pumped by eh market price. For me still I believe in bitcoin that it is the only currency that could be only currency in the future.

No matter what coins or how many of them split on bitcoin. The original will still overpower same on what happened on Ethereum. The original idea always win at the end unlike those new coin that just want only to gain.

i think it will make new "name" again from that fork, but is the third fork will success like the previously fork? if yes i think bitcoin rate will incerase and increases until $6000 maybe, our hope is third fork success and bitcoin rate is increased

From what i have heard and reed, yes there will be new coin out of bitcoin. But i guess there is nothing to fear. Fork from August 1st has proven that bitcoin is loved and supported by many people all around the world, and therefor it is hard for bitcoin to fail in surviving. Also after fork on 1st of August price of bitcoin has kept rising. I guess it will happen again after this fork in November, after panic sale before that. :D

I have also heard about this and  hard fork to perform on October 5, but this will affect the BTC again as BCC did. This will cause many investors to worry again about their favorite currency.

I think I will still keep the BTC because it will have a dance like August : :-*

It looks like a what happened last August hard fork. Everyone panics before Augusst start for it's split but after that dump due to split, btc pump and goes to the moon. It will be also like this if ever.

Since the hard fork is billed for November, I think it would out of place to anticipate an increase in price, at least not before the event  takes place. A good and safe approach would be to sell some coins at a peak value as the date draws near and then wait to buy at a dip after the event.

Pump and dump is the part of the crypto and the November will be the month of bitcoin and I expect prices will go up to 4500USD. And this will bring a lot of profit for the investors. An I am also waiting for November eagerly so that I will earn more and invest more.

That doesn't account for all the factors underlying the cryptocurrency market, or possible market manipulation. For example, it's possible that the BTC price could have gone much higher than $5,000 if Bitcoin Cash weren't drawing investors away. They are holding #3 or #4 in total market cap; that takes a lot of investor inflow to maintain.

There is also the allegation that Bitmain is propping up the BCH price. Would they do the same for Segwit2x? It takes a lot of money to prop up a market if real buying demand for the fork doesn't exist. That depends on users and new investors.

The possibility of the same thing to happen during lat Aug. fork is huge.  Remember when a coin fork, the same amount of coin will be available on both network.  This means those who have huge amount of Bitcoin will have a huge amount of the same coin on the forked network.  And if they wanted to get money from it, they have the ability since they have Bitcoin to fake pump that forked coin.  Buying their own coin with their on Bitcoin.  It always happens and definitely will always happen.

will it repeat the history of hardfork august yesterday? will the rich get richer? will that save btc get btg? a lot of questions that arise related hardfork that will come.

The thing I believe that will occur in November is the high pump and November will be the most profit giving month so hold on guys and put wallets in pocket and take them out in November and nowadays price is bit low so it is the golden chance to buy and after buying hold whole wallet till November and then enjoy the rain of profit.

Must be your hunch at work because a hard fork not only split a network, but also the network assets. For instance  it is some of the people that already invested in Bitcoin that would be needing to pull out their investment and the pull out always comes as a sell off, so expect price to rise under such a situation is simply a pipe dream!

This coming November will bring so many good news for all those who have controlled their nerves and did not sell their Bitcoins at the time of panic selling.

I am very much positive for the days to come as it will bring a lot of money and profit for the ones who will have Bitcoins by that time. You need to wait for few more days to see something really good.

Pump will occur and this November and that will be the investors month and one more thing the people who are saying it will collapse November will prove each and everything, there will a slap on the faces of those who says that November will be end of bitcoin, bitcoin is evergreen and profitable so invest without fear it will give your more than you expect.

oh yes. and traders will have another sweet profit gain because of it. ;)

Clients of US brokerage CoinBase have filed an online petition seeking clarification from the Crypto-Coin Broker on how it intends to deal with the hard fork slated to take place in November of this year. SegWit2x may result in two distinct Bitcoin blockchains and users require some explanation of what the brokerage plans for customer funds, how they will be protected, what the new currency will look like, among other questions. CoinBase customers request clarification on SegWit2x.

There are some discussion regarding the Bitcoin gold which I think will be introduced on November during the hardfork, it seems they are planning to divert the market of bitcoin by offering other alts in the market, anyways I hope that this would not make the price of bitcoin to drop again and resulted to a big lost for investors like me.

This could be bad for bitcoin to experience or to have too much hard forks in this year because it is just making the name of bitcoin garbage because they are creating too much coins that are like bitcoin and it is better to just stick with bitcoin and make improvements without cloning bitcoin or making another new coin.

It's indeed not going to be a pleasant experience for Bitcoin because every hard fork results in a split of assets and investors, so the price of bitcoin is likely to drop afterwards, though with Bitcoin, we can rest assure that recovery is imminent. At any rate, the coins they're creating are far from being anything bitcoin, they're altcoins and there will always be one bitcoin.

As you said in November people are not dumping bitcoin instead they are buying bitcoin for getting free coin may bitcoingold after hard fork most of the altcoins are in bloodbath my complete portfolio including ethereum going down . I could say it’s the right time to buy altcoins you will get real cheap coins.

Will the hard fork occur during the 1st half or 2nd half of November?

Yes, everyone knows that after the fork, Bitcoin Gold will emerge from bitcoin but i want to know how and on which wallet will bitcoin gold will be available?
On which exchanges will bitcoin gold be available and what will be its initial value. These are still many questions like this which are left unanswered .