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The Adblock Plus EasyList maintainers couldn't block the forum's ads, so they just blocked the links in the ads everywhere on the forum. So that's why you might see posts censored like this:




There's nothing I can change in the forum's HTML to stop this. This isn't a side-effect of my anti-ABP code. If you don't want posts censored, you need to disable ABP (or just these filters) on bitcointalk.org. You can complain about it here (https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=2).

Yes, it is. You're the one who started the arms race with EasyList. If you removed your anti-ABP code, easylist maintainers wouldn't have to go through such extreme measures. This whole arms race is retarded, and you're turning it into a game of "why are you hitting yourself".

I would just logout everyone who was detected using adblock.
Try to use the forum while logged out if you prefer to keep ABP on ;D

https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14688

Yes lets censor everyone, I think theymos should let the ABP block the ads, and just let it be. Theymos is sitting on a lot of money for the forum I don't see the problem. Plus who cares if butterfly labs or ripples is a scam which both are not. So he lets false ads, why can't we have the power to block those?

Do the advertisers pay premium for the anti-ABP code?

Actually, ABP charges money to unblock ads. You have to be considered non intrusive AND pay em.

I recommend using http://www.ghostery.com/ instead of adblock anyway. It blocks most of shitty 3rd party spying codes - that includes most ads but also Facebook, Twitter, Google and lot of other tracking codes from even more evil companies. It blocks most ads that adblock blocks, but is much, much better for your privacy. It also doesn't block any in-house ads like these on bitcointalk.org.

As for the ABP issue, I second the opinion that it is a side effect of anti-ABP code. I would remove this code and let ABP do their job the easy way. I also like the idea to logout everyone who was detected using adblock. That should keep number of lost ad displays reasonably low (limited to visitors using ABP and not logged in; and huge forums are hard to use without logging in).

You're confusing AdBlock with AdBlock Plus. AdBlock hasn't and isn't blocking the forum ads.


AdBlock does this as well if you add the following filter list:


Blocking all the social network spam that appears on some pages is the only reason I ever installed it.

Jeeez, I'm removing that crap from my browser then

I am not. I was referring to a category of products writing “adblock” in lowercase. I recommend Ghostery over AdBlock and over AdBlock Plus and over any other adblock (that is over any software focused on blocking ads that are visible).


Social stuff is just one category of shitty spies. Ghostery blocks also ~300 different beacons (codes that are “quiet”, that is they don't display anything and their sole purpose is to track users: these are conversion pixels, audience segmentation pixels, etc), plus ~260 different analytics codes, etc. It also blocks ~200 social widgets (which seems to be much more than this short AdBlock social list) and ~700 advertising providers.

I don't claim that adblocks don't have their lists covering these categories. I just think that adblocks are more effective for things that are visible and Ghostery is more effective for things that are tracking you, regardless of their visual effects (or lack of them). I prefer “doesn't matter if it shines or whistles, if it's a 3rd party that is tracking anything, we block them” philosophy over “if it displays something like ads, we block it” because the former fits more into my privacy needs and I suspect the latter is focused more on things that are visible and doesn't block all these invisible data gathering trackers.

Ads like these on bitcointalk.org totally don't bother me at all, as opposed to all companies in the business of gathering, processing and selling as much data on people as they can.

Non-intrusive would be the way to go for theymos and advertisers.
https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=9281#p55156

I knew this from the beginning of ghostery. I would not touch ghostery with a ten foot poll.

Please research before you use ghostery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostery#History_and_use

(I know this is getting off-topic, but) I couldn't find anything wrong in what you've linked. I know about their GhostRank reporting and I have it disabled, but I think it should be harmless even if enabled. What's wrong with Ghostery?

TradeFortress's comment is true but misleading. From what I've read and what the Adblock Plus people say about it, only the really large companies are asked to pay to be added to the list and they still have to meet all the criteria. That still makes it pretty shady but a lot less than just saying that you have to pay to get on that list.

Did that change? I emailed them a few months ago and they said they require payment.

You can also disable adblock plus "override" for non-intrusive ads.  

In the options:

https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads

I came up with a way to cleanly bypass this in Firefox with JavaScript (not yet implemented), but not Chrome yet. Does anyone know how to detect whether ABP blocked a particular element in Chrome using JavaScript?


Too many people would be driven away from the forum if I did that.

I actually don't care about the ads that much. The forum's income is much higher than necessary for its survival, and the ads probably aren't necessary for executing the forum's mission (though they help). But:
- If we're selling ads, I want them to be as effective as possible (without being annoying).
- I want the ad impression stats to be accurate.
- I'm annoyed that some people seem to think that all websites should just silently "take it" when their ads are blocked, or seek permission from the ABP organization if they want to keep displaying ads. I'm not going to do that. If EasyList wants to block the forum's ads, they're going to have to work for it.
- I'm now very irritated that EasyList maintainers fucked up the forum just to block a few unobtrusive links.

And what if the JS becomes blocked?

I find this behavior very similar to jailbreaking and Apple's cat and mouse game. Focusing this much effort just to display ads on a forum about an open source cryptocurrency.

I'm pretty sure that the EasyList maintainers are reading these posts, and will keep fighting your measures while causing a percent of users to think the server's fucked up.

It's slander to call certain advertisements slander when they are factually correct.

Show me the bitcointalk.org forum advertisement that said "Ripple is a scam". You can't because I never wrote an ad that says "ripple is a scam" for bitcointalk. When it is in my signature, it's obviously my opinion. Either way, we're pretty off topic by now.

You did not say in general. Specially, you were referring to my / the BFL ads.

Forum ads != what people put in their signature.

Sure thing. Now everyone knows how immature you are.

So just check the box in your profile to disable them...

It's in forum profile under "Bitcoin address". As a hero member you should see it.

I don't think it's visible yet, theymos said next ad round.

Makes sense.  Wouldn't be fair to make a new way to disable ads halfway through the round, if the advertisers didn't know that was the deal.

Where are these so called adds on this forum? I turned AdBlock on and off and still saw the adds for ripple scam and butterfly labs.

I agree with you, that no site should take it silently, I don't agree on allowing non-intrusive ads through adblock plus, as what is adblockplus? Its an addon that is suppose to block ads. That is why a lot of people switched to trueblockplus, because of this. Now if you go using ads through javascript, lot of people use noscript, then there is request policy, and then there are thousands of other addons to use including greasemonkey that takes care of javascript annoyances aka your javascript ads that you speak of. We will see how this battle will play out, in the end, the end user has the power to decide what is on the their browser until you ban the person "me maybe? I hope not", its like me stating I am not gonna stay silent and take ads on my browser, neither are you gonna take it silently. How can this be fixed now? I don't know. I have a feeling it's going to come down to you removing smf, and going with another forum software really tearing things up. imo, this is just going downhill for you. I do really appreciate you, for all the help you have given but I think what we are in is called a grey area now.

Edit:

What about opera, IE, and other browser users? Anything for dolphin browser on droid? This imo is gonna be a clustermess.

Emphasis mine. So why sell them in the first place?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-anti-adblock/

ABP can't block inline JS.

But noscript will? Then wage war on noscript? I am really fascinated now.

As a DoNotTrackMe user, I was curious about Ghostery after seeing your mention of it and came across this (From https://www.abine.com/donottrackme/faq/#q29 )

13.  What’s the difference between Ghostery and DNTMe?
Ghostery and DNTMe are both simple, functional "starters" for people who want to protect their privacy online.

Some comparisons:

• DNTMe is faster, based on page load/processing times.
• DNTMe generates fewer Javascript errors on the top 10,000 websites than Ghostery does.
• Abine is a consumer privacy company that’s funded by our customers and our investors. In contrast, the company that owns Ghostery (Evidon, formerly Better Advertising, Inc.) is funded by advertisers and businesses paying them for ad data and compliance.
• Unlike Ghostery/Evidon, Abine doesn’t collect any of your data when you use DNTMe. All we see is that a download occurred, which lets us know how many users we have. You can start using DNTMe with one click and no exchange of your personal information. Ghostery collects data from users who opt into GhostRank.

I think I'll stick with DoNotTrackMe for now since there may be a conflict of interest with Ghostery and who has time to analyze their code to see exactly what they are or are not reporting.

..am now trying ghostery, thank you for the recommendation!

Ente

I think that you need to specifically opt-in for GhostRank reporting, so if you don't do that, Ghostery doesn't report anything. I never had any JS errors with Ghostery or DNTM. I tested them both some time ago (a year or two ago) and noticed that Ghostery blocks a little bit more trackers (at least on pages where I visit frequently), so that's why I sticked to it. I think both are fine and both are doing their job reasonably well.

Implemented now for the PIA ad. Works on Firefox and Chrome. (The way to detect whether ABP blocks something in Chrome is to wait a while and then check whether the element has display:none.)


NoScript + ABP will block the ads. I'm not going to try to cover these users unless something easy occurs to me. NoScript users sacrifice some functionality here.

Cool. I think this will be good. I've tested the page with ABP&easy list only and waterfox and PIA shows up. I enabled noscript, PIA disappeared. People with noscript and self-moderated threads will have to be extra careful not to click delete on a post, and without java, you get no delete warning. Glad you got something worked out.

Just to let you know, the at the bottom of the page can still be blocked with element hider with noscript enabled or not.

That's fine.

A lot of AB users also tend to use NoScript.

Update on easylist. Links inside post should no longer be censored. There might be many more updates. If those ads are still css inlined.

https://hg.adblockplus.org/easylist/rev/76b3a40d78a1

Someone mentioned before that css hiding (such as through the CSS element ABP extension) could be used to remove the bottom advertisement. Unfortunately only the title of the company is within that element, to hide the whole advertisement you have to hide an unnamed element with much wider parameters. I know that the people have little incentive to name the element, and thus make hiding the advertisement easier but I felt it should be noted in case that starts causing problems for people.

While it's not possible to hide it by id, you can hack it using adjacent sibling selector (http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/selector.html#adjacent-selectors). Keep in mind that you risk hiding something different if the HTML code changes one day.


Not sure why would you even like to block this thing.

You guys should use the blackbox forum theme. It works better than ABP at hiding the ads. ::)


morons...

Yes, AB + Noscript is better than Ghostery (they collect your data).

I had it hidden because, easylist was hiding the links to it, and it was annoying just seeing
But this here is very acceptable after easylist was updated, as they are providing hosting for the forum, and isn't intrusive. I just pointed it out to theymos, as I guess it is JS inlined, and I was able to still block it with the above code, meaning, the ads might be able to be still blocked with ABP with noscript disabled here, if not read below.

How ever much theymos has got done with injecting JS inline ads, I think I will be learning how to write surrogates for noscript, not to sure about that though, learning to write it. http://hackademix.net/2011/09/29/script-surrogates-quick-reference/ then with a surrogate, java will be allowed and js inlined ads can be blocked with the correct surrogate and/or with the correct greasemonky script.

Thanks Theymos I was using Adblock on another computer and noticed the problem.

Wow. This is amazing.

(Off topic: theymos, instead of putting (Forum warning: possible phishing link) near links, rather put (leads to (actual site here)))

I'm on Chrome, and the bug is still present using AdBlock Plus (which is now turned off).

What bug? Blocked links? Which links are blocked?

I do wish people would explain when making posts like this. It's very irritating, having to ask, what they are talking about. Most time, they just get iggied, in my mind they are trolling.

I'm sorry. :( The links are still blocked - the first 2 in your original post's quoted posts

Sorry, fixed in the latest EasyList. :)

Now they are just blocking this:


To disable:
Right click and do 'Disable on bitcointalk.org'

Didn't work? Do this:

This above, fixes from censoring links in posts. Which was the point of this thread.

I used Adblock Lite with Fanboy's list and Adblock Edge with EasyList and never seen any problems. On top of that was Adblock Plus popup blocking add-on. And the ads were blocked for me :)

If people intentionally install Adblock they don't want to see that advertising crap. Anti-Adblock technology is almost as wrong as DRM or remote killswitch for software.

@MM
These updates were occurring daily/hourly, so, if you update only by weekly, you might have missed what the problem was. I think you might be getting this thread wrong, yes, ads were being blocked, new method came out anti-blocking easylists, resulted in new updates explained below V

It was a huge mess. Prior, easylists technique of blocking the ads was also blocking the links in posts = to censorship. The problem was fixed a while ago.

Why would it block https://bips.me/landing/ ?

Very shady.

This is why you should use Adblock without a plus. They're not corrupt.

Use normal AB + Noscript

Adblock (non-Plus) appears to be blocking advertisements without reporting it even being blocked.

AB on Chrome, only AB extension enabled - no advertisements.
Chrome, no extensions - advertisements.

ETA: Actually... some advertisements load under AB. Maybe I'm just being stupid.
ETA2: No, AB is definitely blocking ads. Anything with a background image, it seems, possibly more.

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class="td_headerandpost1373957100" > is not blocked (but uh... it's just a grin emoticon -- dunno if intentional. This place is crazy.)

No clue if that helps at all. With AB, ~85-90% of ads are missing. Without AB, 0% of ads are missing. (Not a huge sample size. I'm not going to refresh and stare at ads forever, y'know?!)

If it helps, this is what I see when an ad is blocked (again, no notification in AB icon):
https://i.imgur.com/ozlrR9h.jpg

ETA: As mentioned above, this is a block by EasyList.

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