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Hello guys,


Waves is a strange coin. Very strong team, lots of good news, price flat.

Partnership with Burger King ? Flat (OMG rumors with McDonald, +75%).
New website ? Flat (rebranding Neo / Lisk, dont need to tell you the increase it made)
Lots of partnerships ? Flat
...

There is something we don't get, I heard that whales wanted to keep the price low, it's not true imo, why would they do that exclusively for Waves ?

Here is my thought :

Devs are keeping the price low. Why ? Because they are waiting for the new DEX to come. If they let the price go at that time, it will create a lot of volume and attract a lot of new customers on the Wave Lite (and so the new DEX).

There development goes in that sens : New website, super clear, easy to understand and to download the Waves Lite -> NG, can drive a lot of volume even if it's not needed right now -> DEX, if the theory is right, big increase in term of transaction, just after the NG.


This could be the best advertising campaign for the new DEX.


I know devs are working hard on the global Waves masterplan, they have other things to do than manipulating the price, but something is wrong about Waves atm and if they are manipulating it for that reason, it's a good reason. 


Again, just a theory, let me know what do you think about it.

It seems to have some rough sea's though continiusally rising and falling between 5 and 2, it's more action then NEM/XEM gets.
Also what is DEX?

decentralized exchange

This is my though, we can compare it with dash.

Do you know the price of dash when it is darkcoin imediatly up to $6 from 50 cent. And when it is rebranding to dash no icreasment also down...it was in 2014, but you can see how much dash price now ?

When the up times comes to waves it will going to $100-$200..

I don't think team are trying to keep the price low, they rather don't share every little update to pump the price because they believe in waves for long term.

Price stay flat because waves team didnt put much efforts to list waves in bigger exchanges such as bitfinex and kraken, i have feeling that they dont care at all about waves price if it goes up or down , only waves community members are trying hard to add waves to new exchanges.

I don't agree. But I may agree that they hold it in lower levels indirectly. Why? Waves is so much popular in forums but nothing on public. Even some ICOs do better PR than Waves. So they are waiting for big move, doesn't really pay much effort for ads in current situation.

Could fit with the theory, if it goes with the new DEX.

Waves are clearly top 3 coin in future and I agree, price is being manipulated hard. But the time will come...that kind of a project is to huge to not be noticed.

Well honestly, if we think about it, your theories actually makes sense. Because no one wants to gain small. Everyone wants bigtime profits as soon as possible not unless they have been seminared( the big time investors) by the wave developer's team about plans that can give them big enough profits in the future which caught their attention. But then again, nothing's sure about this so yeah, I'll be watching this.

Nice speculation you got there but don't think so waves team has a thought like this.

Interesting thoughts. It's indeed suspicious that the price is more-less flat despite of all the good recent news about Waves (new collaborations, development atc.)
However, I don't think that the developers would be manipulating the price as you say. My guess would be that just whales are waiting and not buying in yet.

The most interesting thing is that waves and stratis move in the same way. look at this chart on coinmarket cap. Almost identical.

Interesting observation especially when coupled with some of the personalities Sasha's been meeting up with. In this age and time where a single tweet can send a crypto price high up the Himalayas or down hell's mouth, waves barely bulges. I see a tweet of Sasha with that billionaire and go "Gosh, investors/partnership! Price go moon!!!!!". Scramble up to DEX to check price movement and belp... nary an inch.
Something... something... just don't compute

Here is my theory which I wrote in another thread:

That is quite a bold claim. Do you have any hard evidence for devs keeping the price down?

Ive noticed this strange thing about Waves too. Someone is holding price above 100k. The price almost never moves below that.

Maybe it makes sense, i have never thought about it, but it sounds good, maybe you are convincing me to buy more? who knows?
I really wanna buy more waves, but i dont have more money to invest, all my money is already on some projects and i dont have any dollar that is not invested. But waves is amazing, a very good investment for long term for sure, i really believe in their developers, they have a nice community too.

Waves' PR is really awful and weak. I just can't understand why team doesn't sell small amount of their waves reserves to promote the platform and DEX. This is just crazy. We're investing in waves, we see it in the first 20 coin on the marketcap web site and no advertisement here.

Waves can fly high if they conduct campaigns.

I guess it could be the case that they deliberately focus on other things than advertising, which may be an indirect way of keeping the price low. Actively keeping the price low seems odd.

I wouldn't care too  much. Solid projects and solid coins pays off eventually, at least that's my attitude.

Maybe they want a finished, great product first.
If that is the case then it is a very, very smart move.
Dont show people 2nd best.
How do you make yourself up on a first date?

Its the american CIA that does not want russia to have the biggest currency in the planet with waves. Once Trump and Putin make real peace and finally end cold war once and for all ,one waves will be worth $5000 and i will be a millionaire

/dream

Hey guys -

Wanted to chime in on Waves.  Ive been holding for quite awhile and have been able to talk to some of the people involved there.

Its 3 fold.

1.  They Waves team is NOT focused on PR.  THey did not have a big PR budget from the get go and have chosen to spend their time on developments. 

2. Cultural differences.  We cannot think in terms of Westerns mindsets.  Russia is much more focus focus focus, work work work.  Here is my product.  I am proud.  North Americans are used to the hype of something.  Just look at the difference in how much American companies spend on PR vs Russians. 

3. Slow and steady wins the race.  I am 100% certain that after the DEX, we are going to see a price move of $7-8 in a month.  The devs are not holding the price down, but they do have contractual obligations that do not allow then to dump coins, like 80% of these guys.

My price prediction for WAVES is slow and steady.  Jan 2018 $7-10,  Then we will see NEO growth.  The roadmap is heavily geared towards Q2 2018 and onwards

its simply because wave team is not paying enough attention to the pr and marketing, it will pick up eventually!

It is sad somehow that Waves is seriously affected by news and other steps of governments along the way of its rise. It is not gaining much traction in the past several days for waves. I hope it gets back to its feet once again and move upward straight.

How would devs keep the price down to begin with?

Firstly it's not a claim but a theory.

If you want to keep the price low, you can do it like whales. Putting very high selling wales at 0.0011 and buy back around 0.0010. If the volume is not to big you can easily keep the price between 10 and 11.

Nice thinking there. I think you could be very right on this one.

I agree with that, but - that's make me nervous that price is still being manipulated (after good few months of rumors about WAVES). If they are able to manipulate now, what will keep them from manipulating when we reach 100$?

If we reach 100$ they can do whatever they want ^^

I don't think the price is artificially kept low. But I do agree that the DEX is the culprit. The current DEX is complete and utter shit and completely useless for any serious traders.

If Waves ever gets a serious DEX that can appeal to masses of traders and investors it will start gaining traction. At that point we'll see the price of Waves increase because they will be needed to trade on the platform, which would then have a larger volume of transactions. Furthermore, due to increased activity the mining revenues will increase substantially. This will have two effects, on one side it will increase the amount of Waves sold as it will be a form of "dividend" for miners. On the other hand, people will re-lease the mined fees to get even more fees. Overall, the price should be going up though.

However, this depends massively on the quality and speed of the DEX.

Another point that would greatly help Waves would be a better GUI for the platform. One that would make it stupidly easy to create tokens and to actually use them for voting and other contracts. What is currently missing (in crypto in general), are smart contracts that a donkey could program. Waves has a unique starting point for this due to the fact that it already uses a "platform" of its own. Whether or not they will successfully leverage it is an open question though.

It was not manipulated maybe their price in the market was increasing due to good flow of waves in altcoins society. However, I believe to the potential of waves in the market whatever reasons of increasing their value I can accept it.

as you can see from August dumping time at now price was flat. other currency did so much volatile.  i think any time waves can go to moon.

I feel the same. DEX needs improvement, certainly the charts, and when you're orders are executed, it doesn't show up immediately. It's more like etherdelta and need to be something like trex, functionality wise. Once that happens, we can see waves easily going above $10. Just look at Binance before the crash.

If Waves gets a very strong DEX $10 would be quite low with the current enthusiasm in crypto I believe. Waves has been hovering around $5 for quite a while now after all.

Last news, there will be a Q&A session with the CMO of Waves on the 18 of September, 17.00 UTC.

We will probably have a lot of new information at that time, now at 0.00098 I really believe it's the best time to enter (or consolidate, which is what I did, at 0.00105..).

Sorry, kinda new to this. What do you mean by "consolidate" in this context?

Any guesses when Waves will explode? :)

Buy moar ^^

I think the OP's theory on Waves is a little over the top and conspiracy theory'ish ... But either way.

I'm crazy mad at myself for not picking up more yesterday when the price dropped below $3. It's already back above $4 today.

Oh well --  maybe next time they drop (if that happens) I will scoop some more up.

Waves is a long term HODL coin for sure!

strong team but they are not doing your job well. they couldn't finished their platform. we are waiting it but just waiting.

Yes like waveseallet.io, they should be able to solve the problems that are there quickly, but they just make an announcement on twitter and do not do a good job.
Indeed, in recent months waves have shown good price increases, but may not last for long

the problem with Waves is the head, they are well capitalised but lack strong community, Sasha new a new blue print for the platform, so basic to me, even look at the Dex exchange nothing to right home about

my theory about all waves rumor is only one, there is some one or one group want to keep waves low. they still accumulate the number of waves. after there are many good news about it and still not pump, probably when another alt down waves will goes up, this thing is just when dash at this price, waves maybe will goes to $100 in two years, we will see... i my self only hold small chunk. but i will buy more when i got my hard earned money. because 1% / month from leasing waves is a really good deal.

Price is flat because WAVES was already pumped hard in April.

Before April waves trading at 20K sat

After Pump 200K sat that's 10x. Nice..

Now its selling for 100K sat (after correction) This is the new price until waves releases a functional product. Once that happens we will see an increase of 2x - 5x maybe. Any higher will need adoption. If it doesn't get adopted then the price will drop slowly over time back to where the market sees its value.

WAVES can pump to above $10 on next major crypto rally. Just holding and waiting for that.

That could take years or may never happen again. The last notable crypto rally was December 2013.

The last crypto rally was this may.

I think also Team are do their best to pump waves coin and for sure if you have waves coin you will earn a lot of profit because I believe also waves coin is longterm and if you have that you will become happy for the result. Many people loves waves coin and for sure they want also see price of waves coin increase so be patience and for sure you will see waves coin like hundreds dollars price like ethereum before.

Dex is a decentralized exchange and probably one of their strong points, I'm also waiting for the new dex to resurface the old one is to slow to load and the graphics is not to good compared to established exchange, anyway I'm sure when they launch it the price will surely kick.

The price of Dash was no accident or manipulation of the market. The rebranding only had a little to do with the increase in value. The real reason that it went up happened behind the scenes and it was because of Evan Duffield, the developer of the coin. He implemented a new user role called Masternode. It began paying masternodes half of the block reward making their incentive equal to that of the miners. The node count increased nearly 40% in a few days time. Then they started the rebranding with Amanda Johnson and gave away an incredible amount of Dash to participants who helped a friend get their first Dash Wallet and posted the pics to Twitter.

This actually made me laugh. Am I missing something or in what world was the last notable rally in 2013?

You mean, the devs has a role of making the price go up or price? Yes, the Wavedex has cool wallet client. But the trading feature of the client is so buggy. Specially the day and time charts. Hope the waves admin will fix this.

Wasnt there quite the rally this year until a few weeks ago?

And Waves surely needs to go way higher.

I think waves still have a bright future,
look at the platform waves are very not to be outdone by ethereum

I think it's a good analysis, I'm clearly in line with your opinion.

Smart Contracts will also increase the price I guess, but without mass adoption there is no way Waves goes beyond 25$ (which would be already a very nice price increase ofc).

A fully functional DEX and very strong marketing for it would be Waves' best bet in my opinion. There's tons of smart contract stuff going around already, which is why focusing on the DEX before the smart contracts seems like a better move to me.
But we'll see what happens. With BK Russia actually getting their hands into Waves we should be seeing some upgrades in the future.

In that case, we as small investors of waves can do favor to the Waves team, by endorsing it to other investors to get some bags of it. I am sure after these developments. They will start to promote waves again.

Not a bad theory, as I've been wondering the same thing about WAVES and why its price has been so flat, as you say. OK except for the normal alt ups and downs following Bitcoin, anyway.

But here's my theory. Opposite to what you're saying, devs are NOT keeping price low. They're just not meddling. OMG and Sia and Neo are spiking during those events because their devs and their whales are playing with market.

waves dex is great, very cool project - but the vol is shit compared to that and the valuation of BTS, the closest competitor. Not sure about the $$ or BTC Vols trend as neither Dex charts this anywhere for some reason, for the entirety of their respective Dex.

Waves is cheap and i expect good upside, but even more on BTS. maybe 2-3x for Waves, 5-8x for BTS over next 6 months.

Yeah, i actually really like Waves. It is basically like Etherium + the ability to trade tokens on their exchange which is going to be decentralized? Awsome. It really has some potential. I mean, it's in the top coins as we speak, but it might go even higher.

I do not care too much, I only pay attention to the development of it and people know it, as well as ETH first time people have noticed it, but now its value has risen very high compared to the original .

Don't know, on the one hand, developers do have other things to do than dump prices, and on the other....

What is this based on? Why is it being posted? I don't understand why people think that their theories are for it to the rest of the Forum. The fact is that waves is not going to make it. Everyone knows the waves is not going to make it. And there is no reason for anyone to come out try to say that it's going to.

I'd like to ask the same questions to you: What is your statement based on? Why are you posting it? The forum is all about open discussion, and there are very few hard facts to go around when it comes to Speculation, which is what this thread is about. Even the technical sections have all kinds of facts being argued over :)

"Everyone knows the waves is not going to make it".

Care to validate?

it's a good theory, but one thing's for sure is that there is some price manipulation going on. A coin with this much exposure, strong community, business links, it is definitely worth at least $10 but is currently forced at around half that amount. I think it is whales trading in dips, but who knows!

Whether or not your theory about wales was correct, the price has definitely started climbing with the new DEX coming up. I'm expecting a big pump around Wednesday, then some decline, and then another pump on Friday. Targeting around $30+ post correction.

waves is a promising price will climb very high. a lot of whales want waves. regarding waves more update will come and people much interested to buy waves. i suggest to buy waves before its will rise too much