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Due to the forbidden of bitcoin transactions in China, what do you think about the future of bitcoin? Will it be banned?

The future of bitcoins we can not read. But we have speculations for it that we can compare to what's happening today. Just like stopping China in ICOs and Exchangers. So it can affect bitcoins. But we really expect and almost everyone involved in Bitcoins. Our price will increase and keep hold of bitcoins. Because this is the answer to all our difficulties in life.

China is just a hump in the road for the Bitcoin journey and I am sure that Bitcoin can all survive and even much prosper without the China market though it does not mean that there will be no Chinese holders of Bitcoin as the government in there is not actually banning Bitcoin but the exchanges and the holding of ICO. Chinese are very creative and resourceful people they can soon find ways and means to deal with Bitcoin away from the freaking and creeping eyes of their "rogue" government.

China is just overrated and the market is overreacting to what the effect will the pullout of China from cryptocurrency. China is an important market but it does not mean that without China cryptocurrency can collapse it can even be better since China became the primary source of bad news for Bitcoin...once we kicked them out of the equation we can better move on and grow. Just look at Google, Facebook and Twitter...they are huge business but they do not have any significant presence in China.

The future of Bitcoin remains to be so rosy and all of those spreading FUD about it are the people who are disrupted by the coin...we don't have to listen to people who are angry on Bitcoin. Long live, Bitcoin!

No. Restrictions in China while there are more adoption based legislation conversations going on in Switzerland and the United States. Bitcoin is global, no one Country can take it down. And these restrictions from China don't even ban a Chinese citizen from owning Bitcoin, they just ban that citizen from using yuan to purchase or sell Bitcoin on an exchange in China.

No where in the legislation does it bank bitcoin transactions. You can send bitcoin to anyone in China and they can send money to you. They just can't cash out in China, in yuan.

I don't think it will be banned it is not something that can really ban it is like trying to ban the internet, a fruitless exercise that will never happen.
China already tries to "control" internet as much as they can by blocking certain services and sites in an effort to control their people.

If you ever heard about Russian banning Bitcoin a few years ago,
what is going on with them ?
basically it did not affecting them at all,until now many people from russian still using Bitcoin and buy it or sell it.
for now we might heard something like this from Chinese goverment but tomorrow ?
they will not doing this for nothing,chinese is a leader in economy and because of their statement a major decline happened a few days ago.
but it will not affecting Bitcoin future,because it has a lot room to grow and more importantly it has not being implemented yet by people.
so what is the future ? it's very bright in my opinion,and for chinese people,even though the goverment banning it they still can buy it or sell it or use it off their country.
so nothing to worry about all of this and keep holding

I think, when China forbidden of bitcoin transactions, there are still other countries that will accept bitcoin
Bitcoin will still exist even though we cannot predict its value

Other countries may try to ban it, but I don't think most countries will.  However, there will probably be a lot more regulation in the future.  If done poorly, it could really hurt bitcoin.  But if it's done correctly, it should help increase bitcoin's value as it becomes a safer asset.  It's also possible that China will eventually allow BTC <=> Yuan trading again with tighter regulation.

Just remember bitcoin is a global currency, not a currency of a specific country or a currency whose value is backed by some countries. Chinas ban has actually affected the price negatively, but was a short term affect. This was due to investors trying to secure their funds. We have seen it recover since then. So I still think the future of bitcoin is bright.

it is possible for it to receive bans... but I don't think it will ever be stopped. And morally it is not even right to ban it. How can you ban people from agreeing of using anything as money? That's how money begun to exist anyway.

although future is totally  unpredictable but i think china will recognize bitcoin soon. if not, then not to worry because bitcoin will not gonna stop in ffuture only for the reason that  China forbidden bitcoin. bitcoin has of a colourful future.  i would like to go with bitcoin & investment with it...

Since when has morality stopped governments from doing things they shouldn't?  ;)

There's a difference between trying to keep people from assigning value to something and trying to keep people from using something as an actual currency.  The former is impossible--you can always trade one thing for another.  But the latter is generally within the jurisdiction of governments--i.e., they can ban you from using something as a currency.  Labeling something as a currency usually isn't trivial, and there can be consequences to letting anyone declare anything they want to be a currency.  There need to be laws and regulations surrounding what a country uses for money, otherwise you could have economic chaos and all kinds of other problems like rampant fraud and other financial crimes.

Bitcoin will not banned just because of China is forbidden the bitcoin transactions.
Bitcoin isn't weak. Bitcoin can get through the difficult time without China.
Today, bitcoin price is return to $4000, the price of last week.
Maybe it can decrease again, but i don't think that can be banned bitcoin.

There is no ban of Bitcoin or any for forbidden transactions in China so far!!
This is all still rumor. So please don't spread something you have no proof for.
We will have to wait what's going to happen with cryptos in China.
However a ban won't hurt Bitcoin in any way. It is global, and one country acting as China may do will only hurt itself in the long run!
China doesn't had that much of any major significance since the wash trading got stopped by government interference.
Bitcoin will continue to work as it was designed for. As a censorship resistant money transfer protocolof global scale and significance.
Honeybadger doesn't care what China or any other nation state has to say or is doing!

bitcoin is now showing that the strength of bitcoin can beat the power of the country of china. bitcoin prices slowly began to rise and everyone has been happy to see the current state. I predict bitcoin will continue to grow for the better in the future, bitcoin in the future can be a tool of payment that is widely used and has been implemented in the financial system on a large scale. this certainly can not happen without the support of bitcoin. using bitcoin and introducing it to the wider community is the most effective way to increase the bitcoin's prestige.

Bitcoin's future is looking good IMO and I think it's future price is good too. Also, it might be that bitcoin transactions in China is forbidden but it is not forbidden in the rest of the world so dont think that due to the ban of btc transactions in China bitcoin's future will be bad. Also, I think it would not be banned by most of the countries that use btc today, they might follow with Japan's legalization but with it comes tax but still it is a good sign that btc's future is very good.

Bitcoin will not be ban at all even if it is ban in China. It is just ban with their place. Why are we going to be affected with it. It will still continue even without China but maybe bitcoin will not have a fast increasing amount.

Yeah, it makes sense to me. Transactions can't really be tracked to specific people.Some problems might occur with selling btc for fiat but there's always an option to deal face-to-face with no credit cards, so it's rather safe. Moreover, even though btc is not the most developed and innovative currency, more and more projects get involved with it, so the ban will be too unprofitable for many influential people. I guess even full ban of btc in China is rather impossible.

China is just one country, and yet we see people poop their pants because exchanges at this point aren't allowed to offer CNY trading anymore. Bitcoin will move past this nonsense drama without any problems. People shouldn't forget that we have a limited supply, and a constantly increasing demand -- do the math. I am as bullish as ever, and there is absolutely nothing in the world that can change this.

BTC future is still bright there are still untapped market for it and the adoption is still on going there are many people still hasn't known bitcoin. There are other countries had made it legal when using it.

China just want's to keep monetary stability and is pushing on the brake... (for now)
US is basically doing the same.

All those new ICO and ICO scams are financially disrupting countries and peoples lives. The scams need to stop.
People are hitting on Bitcoin like it's a casino ... all or nothing.... It's not healthy investing!

For now countries are just protecting their economy which is basically a good thing.

Give it time and crypto will get it's place in the economy ....

Well,  the future of bitcoin might be that struggling compared from past years and based on those mentioned in this thread that crypto will get the place for the economy. I know there will be positive progress in the future of bitcoin and although it now that stable, but it doesn't mean were not thinking great chances of growing it's valuable assets.

Bitcoin will never stop even china banned bitcoin , bitcoin is already a successful currency that other country using it there are those who will support bitcoin in the future but we can't even guaranteed that however the're the one who will pumped and make the bitcoin price bigger.

Actually, we can't really know it because a lot of changes may happen in the coming days in the market.
But probably bitcoin would still exist in 20 years something maybe. Life span of bitcoin is totally independent in the community, we are the one who take charge on this. If we still used it, then it is still alive more than that, acceptance in the market is a huge factor.

yes i suppose as long as the user still uses bitcoin for both trade and investment transactions, maybe during that time bitcoin will stay alive and be in the market crypto.
And i agree that we who are in this forum have obligation to participate in effort to progress bitcoin.

I think bitcoin prices will still continues to rise in the future and will remain higher than previous years. Whatever was happened / recent news affecting bitcoin, i don't think bitcoin until will be banned in all countries. I think bitcoin will continues to exist and continues to growing more mature in the future and more popular on using by many peoples.

 I agree that we who are in this forum have obligation to participate in effort to progress bitcoin.
Some experts have already told that the price of Bitcoin will reach around 10k by next year's April or May. So I guess it's all safe and don't worry about ban on Bitcoin.

Bitcoin's future will always be good. Bitcoin users are increasing day by day, so you can hold some bitcoins for future.

Yeah your right since if there's pump will be happen there will be a fake news,trouble or anything that can ruin the progress of the bitcoins and this is so pathetic events since it can trigger for those weak hands to drop there bitcoins for just a fake instances. But if bitcoins will grow for more on future then lets congratulate ourselves since we are a lucky earner for this.

I guess the question in the OP is a fallout of the "China" drama around the Bitcoin. Of course the turn out of recent events has shown that BTC is far bigger than a single China or any other country. Its decentralized nature makes it hard for a single country or government to control. Having taken the hit, BTC is back waxing stronger and to a bull run after all that plunge.

testing the limits wont work for china's fud i guess even without them bitcoin will proceed to its journey though they might be some delayed and drama's
will keep bringing the shake but for those who's got a strong nerved this issue will not bothered them to continue holding.

We accept the reality that China have a power to control bitcoin supply in the market, and if it is totally banned in their country probably it could have a huge impact in prices in cryptocurrencies. We can't deny that a sudden drop of bitcoin price is because of this country.

my opinion bitcoin will be more and more peminatnya because in the present
time this human already has almost all android phones that can be used as a bitcoin
transaction tools with ease and cheaper transaction costs so bitcoin get its own place
in the hearts of people but behind the ease may be there are drawbacks so we should
be more careful in the security of the account the bitcoin users.

Maybe China intends to protect its citizens from negative effects that bitcoin may cause in the future. However, this only one-sided action. On contrary, bitcoin will continue to spread perfectly, and China cann't intervene bitcoin just because prohibition.

Woth all the issues bitcoin is facing today, plus what happened in china, some will surely say that bitcoin is looking bad and would probably have a bad future. Maybe lose interest from people then decrease in value back to phase one or worse disappear. But I am on the bitcoin's side. I believe it will survive every challenge it is facing today and go out better after these trials. Just like how it did back then. Although there is no proof out there for this unsure prediction  of mine, i still strongly believe this.

I agree with you that bitcoin will continue to grow without any obstacles. The strength of bitcoin can withstand a variety of negative sentiments. The impact will only happen for a moment and then it will return to normal again. This is bitcoin, every time we can get a miracle. So I do not hesitate to continue using bitcoin because in the future more and more people will receive bitcoin and bitcoin will be made into a very large financial system and integrated with various sectors in this world.

With the growing bitcoin today i believe bitcoin will become a digital eye that will be widely used by everyone in various countries, even impossible if someday bitcoin will have official legality as a means of payment transactions.

the purpose of bitcoin created is to become a legally recognized digital currency and also used globally. now we are still in the process of development to start bitcoin for the better. should be more people who contribute more by using it regularly. it all can help bitcoin become one of the economic power in the world .

I think bitcoin's future seems good way because everyone start accepting it and its price is also increasing. But still we can't say anything. Since the banned of ICO in china lead bitcoins down so i am worried what if countries start banning it. Although at this moment this looks impossible, but still anything can happen in crypto world.

How many countries are there in the world and how many countries accept bitcoin?

just think so to realize that in the future the price of bitcoin will be very high

China will be left behind because it is a country that has a dangerous regime, in addition they spoke of 7 points that determined their decision against the exchange




No, there are a lot of miners who are in China, these miners pay a tax I think, and they pay for electricity, I think the Chinese government wins with the existence of the miners in their country, the exchange and icos is a different subject, I suppose the government has no control of what are the possible gains of each person who used the exchange and for a regime like the Chinese this is a danger to his regime

From my experience of two to three years the future of bitcoin is so pride so invest in bitcoin can make the large profit or price of bitcoin should countinously increase so people can earn large amount of money easily

There's a lot of obstacles experience now by the bitcoin, that's why bitcoin value now was fall down little by little. Hopefully they resolve it rapidly, because if it is continuously happen there's a possibility that bitcoin value is totally fallen. I'm looking forward to the future of bitcoin value of bitcoin as crypto.

Maybe even china ban bitcoin exchanges maybe theres also a good because if many people see bitcoin price decrease for sure they will buy more bitcoin so the price will increase again . And if you see the price of bitcoin last week its 3000 dollars and if you see today is go back again at 4k dollars and for sure it will see the price of 5k dollars for more . Buy more bitcoin now and you will earn a lot of profit.

i think bitcoin as payment in future and accept in store mall and market like fiat money make transaction very easy and happy for each user

China's ban on bitcoin transactions in his country is only a minor obstacle. Because bitcoin is global (although most of the earlier bitcoin is in China). I think, bitcoin in the future will be easier to use so we can transact bitcoin to meet daily needs.

Theres a news bitcoin ban offcial in china in september 30 I dont if its true or not. But if this happen for sure maybe the bad effecr first for the first week the price dumping and after few weeks again it will increase. But we dont know what totally happen in bitcoin price once china ban bitcoin . But I hope the price will increase. Always monitor the price of bitcoin.

I cannot understand your said about "the future of bitcoin value of bitcoin as crypto", what does that mean? Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency, the user of Bitcoin know that, because this is the basic knowledge when you become an user of Bitcoin.

The poll said it all 23 out of 23 or 100% who voted has same prediction that bitcoin path is going the good way. And "0" zero thinks the other way. I truly believe that we are all correct at this time, bitcoin is and will always be increasing the price, the popularity and the investors.

Let's imagine the whales will do the opposite our prediction, do you remember Bitcoin Cash? Yeah, Bitcoin Cash after listed on exchange did not fall down, even it increased the opposite our prediction to high value.

We can't compare two different thing, bitcoin did withstood the test of time. BItcoinCash is just a mere experiments by them if they can really dictate the future of cryptocurrency market. They can affect but can't totally change it. Most likely negativity in anything won't do good at all, so just relax and enjoy the ride. Let the whales shrunk they're heads below and be drowned.

During those days of bitcoin cash splitting from the main chain, users were much focused on the price drop. This was made to go opposite to that of the predictions. When splitting its expected that the price will go low, but this was overcome by the growth making bitcoin to be flourishing high.

I think and strongly believe that the future will continue to improve, this is because of the increasing bitcoin users so the price keeps going up, even though china banned bitcoin but I'm sure it will not have much impact for bitcoin.

China is not the huge player that it used to be.  They were instrumental in the last price spike to ~$1100, but the percentage of daily volume that Chinese trading represents is no where close to a majority anymore.  In the long run, the China ban isn't going to do much.  And should China allow bitcoin again one day, we should get quite a rally from the news.

**China explains the total removal of bitcoin miners, the bitcoin will crash.

**China explains a moderate regulation of bitcoin and its exchanges, bitcoin can make bull market for $1000 increase.

China's ban on Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies may be temporary, to appease international agencies and hardcore communist members ahead of the upcoming Communist Party convention. China's big government and banks cannot tolerate Bitcoin. It threatens their very existence, as it was previously written in a piece here. That's in the long term, though, when Bitcoin has the potential to replace the yuan in everyday transactions, and as a monetary asset. At present and in the immediate future, however, the size of the Bitcoin economy is far too small to be a real threat to the Beijing government and the banking system it owns and manages.

as i know China does not say they ban Bitcoin, only the ICO market and the cryptocurrency exchanges in this country have banned

That's right, but this FUD still affected the mentalility of traders on the market because the rumors changed many information about that, even some rumors fake China has banned Bitcoin and will penalize any one hold Bitcoin lol ;D

Rumors are created by 100% verified liar because he is a big liar in history that's why he has created a news like that and blamed bitcoin i will say that we should stop spreading that anymore.

If China wants to get out of this revolution instead of being the leader as it currently is then they can do it, bitcoin does not force anyone to use it, but if they do that, they are going to lose the opportunity they have been waiting of debunking the US dollar from being the top currency of the world, it seems the Chinese government has decided to keep their power on their country over having a larger base of power on the whole world.

The future will be much brighter than this as long as China, Japan or USA don't ban bitcoin permanently. The community keeps growing and this is amazing to see the progress of bitcoin eventually.

The future of bitcoin remains in its glory, it's okay for the Chinese government to ban bitcoin transactions from happening in his country, but this attitude is not necessarily the same as his people's attitude, I feel sure there are Chinese people playing here with bitcoin mining.

Currently the eyes of chinese officials are being closed to the royal throne as the rulers of the market, one day their eyes will be wide-eyed as bitcoin transactions flourish in his country, after which they will probably lift their ban.

But I'm pretty sure that China will change it's mind and give itself again to bitcoin community.
Like Russia before that they didn't believe that there's a future in bitcoin and later on it surprise the world and started to build their own mining company.
But if China won't turn back again then it's fine. Slowly we crawl to the top again without these Chinese manipulator.

Bitcoin transactions are not forbidden in China, what are you talking about?

The only thing that China has done officially was ban ICOs, and a few exchanges have shut down. That's all. You can still trade bitcoin on localbitcoins for local currency or vice versa. This should have no long term effect on bitcoin's development, even if China bans bitcoin completely.

Bitcoin is decentralized.

China banned Bitcoin? So what? There was a bit effect when China banned ICO's but see just after a few weeks the value of bitcoin went up. Lets change the question to what is Your future in bitcoin? Because what I think is bitcoin will definitely last in decades but we will never know that's why as long as we have bitcoin it in the present we have to treasure it :)

I will find it very weird if countries like Japan or the US banned bitcoin, Japan has taken the opposite route and they are in fact legalizing bitcoin so it will be very weird if theed did a 180 degrees turn, I think in the US they are going to be very careful about banning bitcoin since their citizens are very susceptible to any ban, however China is a different story since that is a communist and authoritative country.

China were actually trying to regulate the activities of local Bitcoin exchange and ICO. And even if they ban Bitcoin and crypto currency activities in their country it will have no major effect on Bitcoin and crypto currency in general because other countries like Swaziland and Japan are adopting it, so I believe Bitcoin future is going to be great without China.

In my opinion, today bitcoin prices continue to rise, already many companies-companies that use bitcoin transactions, then this shows a good thing for the future bitcoin. Even developed countries like japan legalizing bitcoin transactions, this makes bitcoin will not be banned in the future.

I am very optimistic about the future of Bitcoin. I can see Bitcoin will overcome more challenges and obstacles. Bitcoin will continue to surpass each of its records so the future of Bitcoin for me is very bright. The prohibition made by China is just a way of toying with Bitcoin, nothing is to be worried about and it will not trigger anything.

I see a bright future in bitcoin, because more and more countries legalized bitcoin which means people in those country will join with bitcoin. I think bitcoin depends not only on China because bitcoin central state is not just China, and the future of bitcoin is not determined by one country.

If at the price of bitcoin i guessing bitcoin price will still continue lead to the increase over time although often accompanied by some downward movement. And i seem to believe that bitcoin price can even be higher in the future or at certain times to come. Bitcoin is still in the process of development and i think bitcoin will continue to growing to be more superior in the future with the value and benefits that can be obtained from it.

Wanna say Bright. Just  "BRIGHT".  Although some rumors said that btc will fall down but i don't think so. Owing to cChina banned bitcoin and After fall down 3000$ ,  bitcoin is start to growing up and now the price of bitcoin is around 4370$ and i think bitcoin will hit 5200$ or more at the end of this October without china. Now China maybe realise that Bitcoin don't care about anyone and Bitcoin have a bright future...

Bitcoin's future is just way too unpredictable but I do know for sure that it will be good. If you look at it's historical price you will immediately notice something and that its pirce is always increasing. There will always be obstacles, forks, FUDs and accusations that will try to bring it down but only to no avail. With bitcoin's stand right now even without China's ICOs, future is much secured since it can strive even without the help of one of its major player. 8)

Everyone is talking about the fact that China prohibits the use of bitcoins but I haven't seen concrete evidence of this. I think these rumors start whales in order to reduce the price of bitcoins and buy them during the panic cheaper. Now We see stabilization of prices and I expect a sharp rise in prices since the middle of this month.

I hope someday bitcoin users are not banned, I think bitcoin is a very good thing for the future of world transactions because it is safer, cheaper and simpler when compared to the bank system.

Of course it will not be ban. Bitcoin is unstoppable now and you will noticed it because a lot of country are now thinking on how to deal with it. There might be a few nation who would be anti-bitcoin. But I believe most of them will be bitcoin friendly because it will have given their community a chance to earn a decent money out of it by trading and investing. So no doubt that the future is bitcoin will be brighter than ever.

Although all countries banned bitcoin but as long as users and community loyal use bitcoin then everything will not have any impact. can be said now big country like china, india and russia banned bitcoin, but not too impact because user still loyal.

Chinese regulations authority did no forbidden bitcoin reither they trying to block the way of scammers and fraudulent individuals not to used the loop hole create by unregulated blockchain systems to scams its citizens. I will also said here that bitcoin has a bright future and of a truth bitcoin is the future of money. You want to be among the rich people in future then invest in bitcoin and altcoins now.

I just watched a video of a prediction about the future of Bitcoin and some of the other big cryptocurrencies. This guy seemed to know what he was talking about and was believable. He was saying that the major cryptocurrencies will become in the future what the big tech companies are today like Microsoft, Apple, and Google. Basically the market caps of the good cryptocurrencies will get to that level which is the hundreds of billions of dollars. Currently Bitcoin is around 55 billion but most are under 10 billion. So if he is correct, many of the major coins will have massive increases over time. I don't think he gave a time table but I would guess maybe 10 years down the road.

The problem is that things change very rapid in the world of crypto, Japan, Russia and even North Korea are developing their own mining equipment, very soon the dominion they have over bitcoin is going to get a lot smaller, they take decisions as if their power over bitcoin is going to be there forever and that is simply not true, if they keep doing things like these the only ones that are going to lose are themselves.

I think that China's ban will not affect the development of bitcoin and soon China will understand that to improve the lives of its citizens it is necessary to take bitcoin and provide them with the opportunity to provide themselves.

Like of what happened. I expected that bitcoin will defeat china and bitcoin will falls back into place then it will increase the price before. Let us not over react and not give any comment in any situation if we really do not know what will happen next. Let us just see what will happen. Let us just beleive in the power of bitcoin. We cannot predict on what is really going to happen in the future. But bitcoin already proves us different things from its ups and downs then ups again, still and undefeated leaduing digital currency in the market, etc. Whatever the future become it has a reason but me I am seeing lots of good things about bitcoin I hope you too.

India and Russia do not have rule as banned Bitcoin, you are mistaken. And the Chinese government also do not did that, they only banned the ICO market and the cryptocurrency exchange to avoid the speculation in China.

I answerd in a "good way" but there are always external factors that influence the future of bitcoin. I based my answer from the price history due to the constant increase of its price from these past two months, but no one really knows what the future of bitcoin may bring. There are too many considerations needed to consider when asking the question about its future, especially bitcoin's value is very sensitive and volatile and may change due to little movement from the external factors.

No one really knows when another country will make the same move as China (banning of ICOs), but as far as I know, Japan has agreed to increase its capabilities and accept it as a payment. I see good movement and liquidity currently, but always consider that it will inevitably fall in the far future.

The issue with the future of bitcoin is that there is not a middle ground, bitcoin either success or fails, for many other inventions things are not like that , they can be more or less successful but do not need that most people in the world to use it, but in the case of bitcoin adoption is key, since it is a currency and if most people do not accept it then its usefulness is going to go down and the interest on it could dwindle.

i still see a bright future for bitcoins because  these days more and more people are now using bitcoin all over the world and also i dont think it will be  or not all countries are banning bitcoins there are still some countries (including ours) are now adapting bitcoin to be used as their secondary payment system to be used soon on malls, hotels, restaurants , atms, etc. although they might put a tax on it becuase government and banks will control it to be able to use it offline.

The future of bitcoin is looking brighter as more people are yet to join the bitcoin and crytocurrency ecosystem.
Bitcoin is now more popular than ever and will continue to do so because people are learning about bitcoin and investing their money too.

Totally agree with as bitcoin fight with china so I think there will be no more question abut bitcoin future because the way bitcoin fight with china I must appreciate bitcoin and after that incident bitcoin become more popular and stronger than ever and some more develop countries have already accepted bitcoin which is a good thing for bitcoin so the future of bitcoin is bright.

I think future of bitcoin will great, example for this month bitcoin reach 6.000 $, is really amazing.
So in future many people in many country will know about bitcoin and many people use bitcoin.
As we see some country they do transactions in market use bitcoin for payment.