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Title: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: erict on October 02, 2017, 07:53:08 PM
Mr. Satoshi is really a genius in hidding.
Still today no one could find his identity, nor even the national agencies could make it.

Question:
Besides Tor and PGP, what technologies else did Satoshi use to protect his anonymity?


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: tokenator.io on October 02, 2017, 08:49:43 PM
"Satoshi" hasn't left any trail that would lead others to him/her or at least tried his/her best to do so. As to what technologies he used the short answer would be, he didn't. In today's society it is easy to find someone using their "technological" (social media, bank accounts, etc.) trail, so the only technology that he used would be his head.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: Andre_Goldman on October 02, 2017, 10:35:01 PM
Mr. Satoshi is really a genius in hidding.
Still today no one could find his identity, nor even the national agencies could make it.

Question:
Besides Tor and PGP, what technologies else did Satoshi use to protect his anonymity?

Addresses as hashes of public keys  ??? ...  8)

Satoshi’s Genius: Unexpected Ways in which Bitcoin Dodged Some Cryptographic Bullets
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/satoshis-genius-unexpected-ways-in-which-bitcoin-dodged-some-cryptographic-bullet-1382996984/ (https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/satoshis-genius-unexpected-ways-in-which-bitcoin-dodged-some-cryptographic-bullet-1382996984/)



Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: lowbander80 on October 02, 2017, 11:21:18 PM
Thats not really true,Satoshi changed a piece of code to limit the block size to 1MB without anyone except the very few noticing the change.He was a very secretive person in all aspects of life.A great C++ Dev but actually knew little about cryptography


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: Andre_Goldman on October 02, 2017, 11:35:54 PM
Thats not really true,Satoshi changed a piece of code to limit the block size to 1MB without anyone except the very few noticing the change.He was a very secretive person in all aspects of life.A great C++ Dev but actually knew little about cryptography

I can't read lot of C++ code ... pure C makes more sense to me


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: gentlemand on October 02, 2017, 11:45:10 PM
Addresses as hashes of public keys  ??? ...  8)

Satoshi’s Genius: Unexpected Ways in which Bitcoin Dodged Some Cryptographic Bullets
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/satoshis-genius-unexpected-ways-in-which-bitcoin-dodged-some-cryptographic-bullet-1382996984/ (https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/satoshis-genius-unexpected-ways-in-which-bitcoin-dodged-some-cryptographic-bullet-1382996984/)

That article is largely incomprehensible to a simpleton like me, but it's still absolutely fascinating to think of the sheer amount of thought that went into Bitcoin before it was ready to go out into the world.

I would love to have heard a little from Satoshi about how long it took, how many dead ends there were and how much he discovered and learnt during the process.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on October 02, 2017, 11:59:13 PM
Thats not really true,Satoshi changed a piece of code to limit the block size to 1MB without anyone except the very few noticing the change.He was a very secretive person in all aspects of life.A great C++ Dev but actually knew little about cryptography
You really think that Satoshi knew really little about cryptography and yet he came up with the ingenious idea about bitcoin which uses cryptography in its core and still you feel like he was a novice in the field.  :P  I accept the fact that he was not good at front end,but his skills over all is outstanding and his vision is next to none,he may have hid is identity through VPN tunneling and used anonymous mail servers.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: Andre_Goldman on October 03, 2017, 12:04:20 AM
Thats not really true,Satoshi changed a piece of code to limit the block size to 1MB without anyone except the very few noticing the change.He was a very secretive person in all aspects of life.A great C++ Dev but actually knew little about cryptography
You really think that Satoshi knew really little about cryptography and yet he came up with the ingenious idea about bitcoin which uses cryptography in its core and still you feel like he was a novice in the field.  :P  

I think cryptology like Carl Sagan TV series "Cosmos" ...  a personal voyage ... so I will borrow a quote from Niels Ferguson, Bruce Schneier book ...

Quote
Applied Cryptography, which was first published ten years
ago. But while Applied Cryptography gives a broad overview of cryptography
and the myriad possibilities cryptography can offer, this book is narrow and
focused. We don't give you dozens of choices; we give you one option and
tell you how to implement it correctly.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: Kakmakr on October 03, 2017, 06:11:21 AM
The genius behind Satoshi's concealment of his identity does not reside with the use of technology, but rather the social tactics he/she/they used to confuse people. Satoshi posted at random time zones on the forums or platforms he used, so people could not determine in which time zone he/she/they lived in.

He also used anonymous mailing lists and secure personal emails in the Cypherpunk community to hide his identity : https://www.coindesk.com/the-rise-of-the-cypherpunks/ < Cypherpunks believe that privacy is a fundamental human right, including privacy from governments. >


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: liseff3 on October 03, 2017, 01:02:05 PM
With the loss of Mr. Satoshi identity, certainly better and accelerate the development of bitcoin.
if not, then bitcoin development will experience many significant obstacles and Pak Satoshi will be considered the enemy of the country for trying to revolutionize the current currency.

My answer: other than Tor and PGP Mr. Satoshi uses Gnutella to protect his anonymity.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: aleksej996 on October 03, 2017, 07:05:44 PM
Mr. Satoshi is really a genius in hidding.
Still today no one could find his identity, nor even the national agencies could make it.

Question:
Besides Tor and PGP, what technologies else did Satoshi use to protect his anonymity?

I don't know where you got he info that national agencies don't know who he is and that they tried to figure it out in the first place.
Bitcoin wasn't as popular back then, so he kind of kept a low profile and as I understand he went away just when things got him a bit of high profile.
It also isn't easy to retrospectively try to find out someone's identity, if they didn't monitor the Internet back then, then there would be little they could do now.

I somehow doubt that he used Tor and PGP has nothing really to do with anonymity, but with security.
He might have used some public Wifi and/or some proxies, I doubt he went very high tech.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: Tszunami98 on October 03, 2017, 07:12:52 PM
The guy/girl(even tho i strongly doubt it :D) was able to revolutionize the way we think of money...i dont think it would be so hard for him to hide his trail. He also had some time to do that because nobody took bitcoin very serious at the beggining.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: BenOnceAgain on October 03, 2017, 10:09:15 PM
Mr. Satoshi is really a genius in hidding.
Still today no one could find his identity, nor even the national agencies could make it.

Question:
Besides Tor and PGP, what technologies else did Satoshi use to protect his anonymity?

Keeping privacy on the internet is a mixed bag.  On one hand, it can be easy to blend in.  But someone that is determined can very likely ID a significant percentage of people.

I'm betting that some people know his or her true identity.  People that were around at the time.

I think I read that people have studied Satoshi's writings in comparison to known people that were in the Cypherpunk community and potentially could build a circumstantial case to identify the person.  Personally, I consider that an invasion of privacy.  If someone chooses to remain anonymous, I respect that choice.

I do sincerely hope that he or she has been able to enjoy some measure of success from Bitcoin.

And who knows, maybe one day he or she will reveal themselves to the world.  Legitimately (I believe there have been impostors).  That's entirely up to them.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: geac.xraekhurcoe on October 03, 2017, 11:52:22 PM
I have read that analysis of their writing using artificial intelligence has show he could actually be two persons and not one. To hide his identity using a public VPN, proxy or TOR is enough for the majority of cases, there is a lot of public openVPN gateways out there with high bandwidth and you can look like coming from anywhere in the world.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: jseverson on October 04, 2017, 02:38:35 AM
The genius behind Satoshi's concealment of his identity does not reside with the use of technology, but rather the social tactics he/she/they used to confuse people. Satoshi posted at random time zones on the forums or platforms he used, so people could not determine in which time zone he/she/they lived in.

Really? I read something about a Swiss coder who made a graph out of Satoshi's posts and was reasonably able to assume the time he was asleep based on the data. It was even consistent on weekends. I think they concluded that he lived somewhere EST. I know it's all conjecture, but it's still pretty convincing.

Still it's true that he was incredibly meticulous. Maybe he just wants to spend his newfound wealth in peace. He deserves at least that.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: erickkyut on October 04, 2017, 03:31:29 AM
I think no one really knows how Satoshi hid his identity and if what kind of technology he used because if there is someone who knew it, we will know who Satoshi really is. For me, there are still computer geniuses out there that are trying to figure it out. They are still working and eager to know about it. Maybe in due time they will find a clue.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: bitPico on October 04, 2017, 03:43:12 AM
Mr. Satoshi is really a genius in hidding.
Still today no one could find his identity, nor even the national agencies could make it.

Question:
Besides Tor and PGP, what technologies else did Satoshi use to protect his anonymity?
Nick Szabo showed himself to be Satoshi Nakamoto when he back-dated the notorious blog post about digital currencies after Bitcoin was released and then disappeared for the next 2 years only to reappear shortly after Satoshi vanished.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: mobnepal on October 04, 2017, 03:50:05 AM
There is no doubt that satoshi is very talented guy because the way he have developed bitcoin is really awesome. Talking about his ability to hide his identity, He haven't made any announcement after 2010 because by that time bitcoin have already got popularity and he doesn't want to get caught from governments. There are lots of tools to improve your personal privacy but the most crucial one is to not expose yourself with your own small mistakes like silkroad owner.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: Blamsud on October 04, 2017, 04:21:06 AM
I think no one really knows how Satoshi hid his identity and if what kind of technology he used because if there is someone who knew it, we will know who Satoshi really is. For me, there are still computer geniuses out there that are trying to figure it out. They are still working and eager to know about it. Maybe in due time they will find a clue.
Satoshi made btc as anonymous currency that can be used by anyone without being known. And satoshi did a great job, as well as in hiding his self.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: dillpicklechips on October 04, 2017, 04:31:13 AM
The genius behind Satoshi's concealment of his identity does not reside with the use of technology, but rather the social tactics he/she/they used to confuse people. Satoshi posted at random time zones on the forums or platforms he used, so people could not determine in which time zone he/she/they lived in.

He also used anonymous mailing lists and secure personal emails in the Cypherpunk community to hide his identity : https://www.coindesk.com/the-rise-of-the-cypherpunks/ < Cypherpunks believe that privacy is a fundamental human right, including privacy from governments. >

How creative of him. Creative in the sense that he managed to foresee simple things that may lead to a clue about his identity. I can say that he is wise enough to put the identity in dormant mode. I also believed that "privacy" is important including the government.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: An0nyMoose on October 06, 2017, 01:00:45 AM
Satoshi successfully hid his identity by using cryptography and his coding skills. There are ways to hide your location if you understand computers the way coders of Satoshi's status do.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: Xervo on October 10, 2017, 05:46:18 PM
I think that Mr. Satoshi acted very cleverly, hiding his identity.
At the beginning of the way to create bitcoin, when it was not yet a popular currency, it was quite easy to hide. A person who is engaged in crypto-technologies is definitely not much trouble. Now it is quite easy to use elementary VPN in order to hide your location, it can be done by anyone who owns a computer. What can we say about the programmers.
And yet, it seems to me that Satoshi's name unites the team of superprofessionals who launched bitcoin.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: zollyharvan on October 14, 2017, 11:00:57 AM
That's so wrong, Satoshi changed a password to limit the block size to 1MB without anyone except a few who noticed the change. He is a very open person in all aspects of life. Amazingly C ++ Dev but actually do not know much about cryptography.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: misnofenta on October 25, 2017, 10:21:21 AM
Awfully compelling. I will examine.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: Rosewater Foundation on November 09, 2017, 12:51:48 AM
Mr. Satoshi is really a genius in hidding.
Still today no one could find his identity, nor even the national agencies could make it.

Question:
Besides Tor and PGP, what technologies else did Satoshi use to protect his anonymity?
Nick Szabo showed himself to be Satoshi Nakamoto when he back-dated the notorious blog post about digital currencies after Bitcoin was released and then disappeared for the next 2 years only to reappear shortly after Satoshi vanished.

shhh!


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: traderethereum on November 09, 2017, 12:56:44 AM
Mr. Satoshi is really a genius in hidding.
Still today no one could find his identity, nor even the national agencies could make it.

Question:
Besides Tor and PGP, what technologies else did Satoshi use to protect his anonymity?

we don't know how satoshi hiding so far because i think he uses many things to cover his identity, maybe he deleted all of things that related with his identity especially his info in internet. i think he still in around us and watching from far place and maybe he doing something without we know. for a genius person in internet, i think its easy to hiding his identity without any one know and he can doing many things he wants.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: Wunderkind on November 09, 2017, 01:16:45 AM
Either way, "hiding" was such a smart decision and I think he will never ever reveal himself (or herself if you will).


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: momopi on November 09, 2017, 01:20:35 AM
I am not really good with technologies but for the fact he invented decentralize method of currency, for sure he's/they're definitely genius with all terms of technology. I got curious with Satoshi as well and made some research, I saw a post where identity of Satoshi are being sold in black market due tho the fact that someone tracked his real IP even he used TOR.  But the article was posted 2015 and I don't find it reliable


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: Ewox on November 09, 2017, 01:24:13 AM
Satoshi Nakamoto successfully hid his identity because he really does not want people to know his whereabouts because of course everyone would be asking a lot of questions of bitcoin and everything else. I don't even think he is using any technology to hide his identity because if his name is real, people would've already known him so most likely he is just using a screen name or something.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: Yankeestyle on November 10, 2017, 05:58:03 PM
I don't think he is utilizing any innovation to shroud his character in light of the fact that if his name is genuine, individuals would've definitely known him so in all probability he is simply utilizing a screen name or something.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: SilverChromia on November 19, 2017, 11:07:42 AM
Satoshi successfully hide his identity or not letting anyone know about his life is because of social media and also because he is not making any move to make a trail or marks that can give his identity or personality because we all know some people will work hard to gather info of some people that is still mysterious like an a goverment official and even a very successful person like Satoshi Nakamoto. I said that social media also help to hide Satoshi Nakamoto's identity because some other people doing spreading a fake news or hoax that spreading in every part of the world like spreading that someone claim that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Maybe they do that to gain popularity or attention on this world or maybe they do that to help hide the real Satoshi Nakamoto


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: kahc on November 19, 2017, 03:09:28 PM
We don't even know if Satoshi is he, she, it or maybe a group. Why do you guys always assume that it must be a male.
I think that entity hide well because of excellent OPSEC.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: lighpulsar07 on November 19, 2017, 03:33:16 PM
He doesn't use any technology to just hide his identity nor using a vpn to remain anonymous he just doesn't want to tell his true identity to the public for own persnal reasons that might threaten his life or he doesn't want the fame we don't know whatever the reason is we must be thankful to this blessing without him or them bitcoin couldn't exist.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: aleksej996 on November 19, 2017, 06:16:10 PM
We don't even know if Satoshi is he, she, it or maybe a group. Why do you guys always assume that it must be a male.
I think that entity hide well because of excellent OPSEC.

Wouldn't say that they assume it is a male as much as they refer to him as a male, since Satoshi Nakamoto is a male Japanese name, as far as I know.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: Rggadi on November 19, 2017, 06:28:24 PM
There is a more abstract reason that one should care about the identity of Nakamoto. Unlike HTML or HTTP, bitcoin was an ideological project from the start. Bitcoin began in the imaginations of a group of geeks known as Cypherpunks. Beginning in the early nineteen-nineties, Cypherpunks promoted an extreme form of libertarianism, in which all forms of commerce—in anything imaginable—existed beyond state control. This would be enabled by advances in cryptographic software that could utterly obscure users’ identities, creating a state that Tim May, one of the founding Cypherpunks, called “crypto-anarchy.” Cypherpunks believed that a decentralized currency was needed to allow their crypto-anarchic utopia to exist, and bitcoin began as a technical implementation of this vision.


Title: Re: How did Satoshi successfully hid his identity? Using what technologies?
Post by: kahc on November 19, 2017, 07:32:25 PM
We don't even know if Satoshi is he, she, it or maybe a group. Why do you guys always assume that it must be a male.
I think that entity hide well because of excellent OPSEC.

Wouldn't say that they assume it is a male as much as they refer to him as a male, since Satoshi Nakamoto is a male Japanese name, as far as I know.

Indeed, but also there are a lot of guys pretending to be girls on the internet, so Satoshi could potentially be a female pretending to be a male . ;D