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Title: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: karmadog on June 03, 2013, 06:30:30 AM
Will mining with a 25gh/s ASIC become pointless in the future or not? ;D


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: Bijeebus on June 03, 2013, 06:34:08 AM
Mining with an ASIC will not since ASIC stands for Application specific integrated circuit. This term will always fit for future mining rigs. However 25GH/s will probably become obsolete pretty quickly.


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: hruicn on June 03, 2013, 06:47:06 AM
i think it so


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: algobait on June 03, 2013, 07:06:49 AM
once everyone has one yes... unless the exchange rate goes higher :)


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: bigdude on June 03, 2013, 07:12:32 AM
once everyone has one yes...

Precisely.

It will become like having gpu's before asics arrived.

So as the network hashrate and difficulty increases, the playing field for asics will level out.

Then it will be a matter of getting more efficient and powerful asics ... but still asics.

And those who want to play the game bigtime, will go with the asic farms like they did with the gpu farms.


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: swiss on June 03, 2013, 07:15:31 AM
i'm waiting for the asic chips to ship cause i have preordered some chips wich will hash at 16.gh/s.. since i'm not getting it before august i hope the difficulty will not raise to much.. i'm not in to get rich quick but i want to mine some bitcoin's for myself just to be a part of bitcoin! of course it would be nice to mine as much as possible ;)


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: ArcticWolf on June 03, 2013, 07:24:08 AM
What are you going to put the chips into? Do you already have some boards or something?


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: Preschoolv2 on June 03, 2013, 07:26:47 AM
why not just buy a preorder and jump the line?


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: cygnus on June 03, 2013, 08:25:15 AM
Anyone can predict the time?


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: sealberrder on June 03, 2013, 08:59:33 AM
Those ASIC with higher Watt consumption per GHash  ;)  But not this or next year I believe


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: redmetal on June 03, 2013, 10:38:24 AM
I don't think they will hence the name, but they will get better and smaller as time goes on. More GH/s for less watts


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: aaksut on June 03, 2013, 11:08:52 AM
There will be more efficient asics as designs and processes improve, it'll be the equivalent of your graphics card getting old a no longer being worth it.


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: HyperX on June 03, 2013, 11:13:44 AM
We are working on really hardocre SoC based ASIC with 1024 engines and computing power with over 40Ghash/s in single chip with efficiency about 3.5W/Ghash


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: dannotinjapan on June 03, 2013, 11:13:56 AM
The ASICs currently in use/production will become obsolete as newer, more energy efficient ASICs are developed.


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: HyperX on June 03, 2013, 11:18:37 AM
The ASICs currently in use/production will become obsolete as newer, more energy efficient ASICs are developed.

The problem is manufacturer price from design to fab house... Now are using 14nm TSMC technology and it really expensive for designing not talking about manufacturing.

Kind Regards,
Tom


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: jeannie on June 03, 2013, 01:46:15 PM
The nano technology is evolving very fast, I guess, yes the ASICs will be obsolete extremely fast.


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: iram9172 on June 03, 2013, 02:18:38 PM
I think yes  in the future.


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: majorX on June 03, 2013, 02:25:56 PM
Will mining with a 25gh/s ASIC become pointless in the future or not? ;D

depends what you mean future - not next year imho, but 2015 yes


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: fmota on June 03, 2013, 02:42:25 PM
once everyone has one yes... unless the exchange rate goes higher :)

I think the exchange rate will keep getting higher as the difficulty increases.

My reasoning: As the difficulty increases, so too does the security of the Bitcoin network. It also increases the value of one Bitcoin relative to one gigahash. Now, looking at it this way, some amount of money will give you some amount of computational power. The value of a gigahash in Bitcoin will change as the difficulty increases, but the value of a gigahash in US dollars or in Euros is much less malleable. Eventually, the value of BTC will go up relative to USD or EUR, for this very reason.

So, a 25 ghash/s ASIC will net you decreasing amounts of BTC over time, but it will probably give you the value of 25 ghash/s in EUR or USD, which isn't a trivial amount and decreases much more slowly.

So: The bad news is that your 25 ghash/s will give you less BTC than you are expecting. The good news is that those BTC will be worth more in EUR or USD than you are expecting.


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: tronsom on June 03, 2013, 02:48:32 PM
what about 5gh/s BFL? I ordered 5 last week....am I stupid?


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: Rampion on June 03, 2013, 02:50:23 PM
what about 5gh/s BFL? I ordered 5 last week....am I stupid?

Ask for a refund NOW if you do not want to be severely burnt.


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: BitcoinBoss on June 03, 2013, 03:02:00 PM
what about 5gh/s BFL? I ordered 5 last week....am I stupid?

Depends how quickly you receive it, but as it's from BFL you could be looking at a long wait. I think they are just starting to fulfill orders placed last year.


Title: Re: Will ASICs become obsolete?
Post by: HorusFTW on June 03, 2013, 04:34:38 PM
Butterfly Labs reported Saturday that they shipped orders with a pay date of Jun 25, 2012 That puts them about a year behind. Its a gamble to see if they get their production ramped up to start putting a bigger dent in the delays. They are still the best value though.... for what its worth.