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Title: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on October 09, 2017, 07:57:49 AM
Date: Saturday, November 4th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 22:00 BCT / 3pm PST / 6pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 00:00 BCT / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 2:00 BCT / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.stopstream.me/


https://i.imgur.com/PcA32oy.jpg

Main Card (PPV)

https://i.imgur.com/9MsDPHl.gif Michael Bisping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bisping) (30-7) vs. https://i.imgur.com/ecoGNcd.gif Georges St-Pierre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_St-Pierre) (25-2) (Middleweight Championship)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Cody Garbrandt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Garbrandt) (11-0) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif T.J. Dillashaw (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.J._Dillashaw) (14-3) (Bantamweight Championship)
https://i.imgur.com/7xYkGn0.gif Joanna Jedrzejczyk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_J%C4%99drzejczyk) (14-0) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Rose Namajunas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Namajunas) (6-3) (Women's Strawweight Championship)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Stephen Thompson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Thompson_(fighter)) (13-2-1) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Jorge Masvidal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Masvidal) (32-12) (Welterweight)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Johny Hendricks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johny_Hendricks) (18-7) vs. https://i.imgur.com/1M3a7Pb.gif Paulo Borrachinha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Borrachinha) (10-0) (Middleweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif James Vick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Vick) (11-1) vs. https://i.imgur.com/rSXhCci.gif Joseph Duffy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Duffy_(fighter)) (16-2) (Lightweight)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Walt Harris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Harris_(fighter)) (10-6) vs. https://i.imgur.com/9MsDPHl.gif Mark Godbeer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Godbeer) (12-3) (Heavyweight)
https://i.imgur.com/YEKrU6i.gif Ion Cutelaba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Cu%C8%9Belaba) (13-3) vs. https://i.imgur.com/7xYkGn0.gif Michal Oleksiejczuk (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Michal-Oleksiejczuk-156397) (12-2) (Light Heavyweight)
https://i.imgur.com/fUuYOYZ.gif Randy Brown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Brown_(fighter)) (9-2) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Mickey Gall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Gall) (4-0) (Welterweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

https://i.imgur.com/X1kAVPE.gif Oleksiy Oliynyk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksiy_Oliynyk) (55-10-1) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Curtis Blaydes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Blaydes) (8-1) (Heavyweight)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Ovince Saint Preux (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovince_Saint_Preux) (21-10) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Corey Anderson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corey_Anderson_(fighter)) (9-3) (Light Heavyweight)
https://i.imgur.com/ecoGNcd.gif Aiemann Zahabi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiemann_Zahabi) (7-0) vs. https://i.imgur.com/1M3a7Pb.gif Ricardo Ramos (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Ricardo-Lucas-Ramos-121143) (10-1) (Bantamweight)

Other

- Gadzhimurad Antigulov was expected to face Ion Cutelaba at the event. However, Antigulov pulled out of the fight on September 26 citing an injury. He was replaced by promotional newcomer Michal Oleksiejczuk on October 13.

- Patrick Cummins was expected to face The Ultimate Fighter: Team Edgar vs. Team Penn light heavyweight winner Corey Anderson at this event. However on October 17, Cummins pulled out due to a resistant staph infection. He was replaced by former interim UFC Light Heavyweight Championship challenger Ovince Saint Preux on October 19.

Thanks to the Puertorican for letting me use this content (https://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/1153939/UFC_217:_Bisping_vs._St-Pierre.html)


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Hydrogen on October 09, 2017, 05:08:54 PM
I don't have many notes for this event.

-Aiemann Zahabi is actually Firas Zahabi's brother. In case people don't know who Firas Zahabi is, he's known for working with GSP, Rory MacDonald and many other UFC fighters out of tristar gym in canada.

-GSP, Joseph Duffy, Mickey Gall and Aiemann Zahabi are all fighting out of tristar MMA gym for this event.

-Joanna Jedrzejczyk, Jorge Masvidal and Alexey Oleynik are fighting out of american top team. ATT and tristar have the most fighters represented on this card afaik.

-Many will likely count Mickey Gall out since he's only 4-0 but don't underestimate him, he's trained seriously with people fighting in the UFC since he was a teenager.

-Cody Garbrandt clarified on the MMA hour saying he didn't knock TJ Dillashaw out cold in training(as was suggested earlier), he only rocked him.

-Alexey Olenik looked much improved after spending time at american top team before his last fight with Travis Browne.

Not a lot of info to offer on this event, I think most already know who the people fighting on the card are.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on October 10, 2017, 07:07:11 AM
Oh cool.  I didn't realize this is gonna be featuring Coach Zahabi and Tristar.  Thanks for pointing that out. 

I'm honestly more intrigued with Garbrandt vs Dillashaw than the main event.  Dillashaw's style is almost a carbon copy of Cruz's but with the KO power.  And this is a grudge match between the two since they have some history, with Dillashaw being the 'snake' for leaving Team Alpha Male and with Garbrandt being the Faber loyalist.

Let's see how the champ nullify's the challenger.

 


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: brascopck on October 10, 2017, 07:53:24 AM
what a great card, cody and bisping.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on October 12, 2017, 06:57:08 AM
There's nothing like a UFC promotional video to satisfy your cravings for the event.  The UFC has always done a good job in connecting with the fans thru social media, press conferences and with these videos.  I think they would have done a better job in promoting May vs Mac than Mayweather promotions.

UFC 217: Bisping vs St-Pierre - Extended Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjoOM6oBN0E

And Garbrandt is calling Dillashaw a prostitute for bouncing from gym to gym.  :D  Let the trash talks begin!


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: nydiacaskey01 on October 12, 2017, 07:21:53 AM
Oh cool.  I didn't realize this is gonna be featuring Coach Zahabi and Tristar.  Thanks for pointing that out. 

I'm honestly more intrigued with Garbrandt vs Dillashaw than the main event.  Dillashaw's style is almost a carbon copy of Cruz's but with the KO power.  And this is a grudge match between the two since they have some history, with Dillashaw being the 'snake' for leaving Team Alpha Male and with Garbrandt being the Faber loyalist.

Let's see how the champ nullify's the challenger.

 
This is true, Garbrandt vs Dillashaw fight is more interesting than GSPs return to UFC. GSPs last fight is not interesting anymore, he played safe most of the time just to keep his title. I know BJJ fighters what they are doing is not simple or easy and for those non BJJ fan watching them fight will just make them sleep, just like what GSP did in his last few fights but I respect his achievements in UFC and BJJ practioners.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on October 15, 2017, 01:19:07 PM
Guys!  All of you gotta watch the press conferences for 217, Bisping is really doing a good job in promoting the fight.  He's even getting GSP worked up a bit, it's hilarious.

UFC 217: Bisping vs. GSP Press Conference - MMA Fighting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgounNjAoH4

Georges St-Pierre Shoves Michael Bisping at UFC 217 Face-Offs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-K8LWqjYy8

UFC 217: Bisping vs St-Pierre Toronto Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0AoUB9Nqtw


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: gabmen on October 16, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
I've been waiting for this return for a long time now. Hopefully he gets the bashful bisping inhis place though its arguable that it will be a walk in the park as he probably won't be the same when he was in his prime. Hyped up for this though


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on October 16, 2017, 12:47:16 PM
I've been waiting for this return for a long time now. Hopefully he gets the bashful bisping inhis place though its arguable that it will be a walk in the park as he probably won't be the same when he was in his prime. Hyped up for this though

Lol.  Bisping is far from 'bashful'.  And from what he's doing, riling up the crowd and all, your kind of reaction is what he wants.  He's playing the part of the antagonist.  The funny thing is I think he's getting under GSP's skin. But let's see if that carries over during the bout.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on October 17, 2017, 10:41:38 AM
Michael Bisping is at 2.09 at Nitrogen.  What do guys think?  Should I jump all over that or wait for the GSP fan boys to place their bets making the Bisping line go higher?


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Kemarit on October 17, 2017, 12:20:27 PM
Oh cool.  I didn't realize this is gonna be featuring Coach Zahabi and Tristar.  Thanks for pointing that out. 

I'm honestly more intrigued with Garbrandt vs Dillashaw than the main event.  Dillashaw's style is almost a carbon copy of Cruz's but with the KO power.  And this is a grudge match between the two since they have some history, with Dillashaw being the 'snake' for leaving Team Alpha Male and with Garbrandt being the Faber loyalist.

Let's see how the champ nullify's the challenger.

 

Yeah, the  Garbrandt vs Dillashaw has more drama in it. Its been more than 2 years I think since TJ has left Team Alpha Male but the animosity is still there. I think they have been pitted before in a lot of training sessions when TJ was still in the team and there are rumors that Cody has already KO him. So its gonna be interesting to see those two settle their beef inside the Octagon. Good to see GSP is back. But it looks like he doesn't have that hype surrounding his Octagon return. But lets see if he still has hunger inside of him to fight. Otherwise he should retire for good.

Michael Bisping is at 2.09 at Nitrogen.  What do guys think?  Should I jump all over that or wait for the GSP fan boys to place their bets making the Bisping line go higher?

Nah. Don't jump in yet. I'm sure a lot of GSP fan boys will be making their bets in the next coming days. Better to wait dude.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Hydrogen on October 17, 2017, 08:25:33 PM
There is also Bellator 185 on october 20th.

http://i63.tinypic.com/2yttqoo.jpg

And Donald Cerrone vs Darren Till in Poland on october 21st.

http://i63.tinypic.com/5wjy3p.jpg

The UFC card ^ on the 21st is live around 6-8 hours earlier than normal due to it being in Poland.

Not certain about Bisping vs GSP. That could be a tough card to call. There could be many close fights and split decisions that could go either way.

Johny Hendricks is looking good as he's training at JacksonWink and seems to have renewed his competitive drive. Ion Cutelaba could be a big favorite as his opponent is a relative unknown. Other than that, a lot of the other fights could be very competitive. Hard to pick a winner in many of them.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on October 17, 2017, 10:33:47 PM
This is yet another big card with some interesting fights and it is back to Madison Square Garden,return of GSP is the focal point and i would like to see him face McGregor after this fight,Bisping is a tough opponent and it is really interesting to see whether we will see Anderson and GSP too as that was one fight i was looking for a very long time and now Anderson is not in his prime yet it is interesting to see that encounter.
Will make my predicts one week before the fight night.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: bbc.reporter on October 18, 2017, 01:27:26 AM
@Kemarit. I reckon Michael Bisping's big mouth and his charisma will get some casual fans and gamblers to take his side. So if you are betting for Michael, you have to do it now before the odds start falling.

For George St Pierre fans like me, it is better to wait until the odds reach +100 or more. He has not fought in the octagon for almost 4 years, therefore betting on -120 would not really be that smart.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Yaunfitda on October 18, 2017, 02:06:11 AM
This is yet another big card with some interesting fights and it is back to Madison Square Garden,return of GSP is the focal point and i would like to see him face McGregor after this fight,Bisping is a tough opponent and it is really interesting to see whether we will see Anderson and GSP too as that was one fight i was looking for a very long time and now Anderson is not in his prime yet it is interesting to see that encounter.
Will make my predicts one week before the fight night.

People already lost interest on GSP vs Silva. They are already past their prime. The fight should have made about 4-5 years ago when both of them are really destroying their opponent. GSP retired, Silva lost the belt to Weidman and he has lost his touch after that. I don't see hardcore fans wants to see that fight. I think Bisping is one of the weakest champion that UFC had and I'm sure GSP will take him down and win on the scorecard.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: TravelMug on October 18, 2017, 08:24:50 AM
There is also Bellator 185 on october 20th.

http://i63.tinypic.com/2yttqoo.jpg

And Donald Cerrone vs Darren Till in Poland on october 21st.

http://i63.tinypic.com/5wjy3p.jpg

The UFC card ^ on the 21st is live around 6-8 hours earlier than normal due to it being in Poland.

Not certain about Bisping vs GSP. That could be a tough card to call. There could be many close fights and split decisions that could go either way.

Johny Hendricks is looking good as he's training at JacksonWink and seems to have renewed his competitive drive. Ion Cutelaba could be a big favorite as his opponent is a relative unknown. Other than that, a lot of the other fights could be very competitive. Hard to pick a winner in many of them.

Yeah, Bisping vs GSP is a tough call. I reckon that the fight could you 5 rounds. If it go 5 rounds, could GSP survived it since he's been out of about 4 year now? Although Bisping is a big mouth, he has some skills to back it up and has been it tougher competition lately. So its really hard to predict their fight.

I hope that Johnny Hendricks can recover from this dismal performance. Its really hard to be on top, specially when he becomes a champion, it looks like everything went apart. Similar to Weidman. Let's see if he still have that itch inside of him to become a champion once more.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: matchi2011 on October 18, 2017, 10:25:29 AM
This is yet another big card with some interesting fights and it is back to Madison Square Garden,return of GSP is the focal point and i would like to see him face McGregor after this fight,Bisping is a tough opponent and it is really interesting to see whether we will see Anderson and GSP too as that was one fight i was looking for a very long time and now Anderson is not in his prime yet it is interesting to see that encounter.
Will make my predicts one week before the fight night.

Its going to be an interesting fight though to see whether gsp still has it takes to take the belt and shut bisping's mouth. The thing is mot all greats who went back after retirement had a successful run. I've been a log fan though of gsp and i'm hoping this run of his becomes at least worth while.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Jating on October 18, 2017, 11:47:04 AM
This is yet another big card with some interesting fights and it is back to Madison Square Garden,return of GSP is the focal point and i would like to see him face McGregor after this fight,Bisping is a tough opponent and it is really interesting to see whether we will see Anderson and GSP too as that was one fight i was looking for a very long time and now Anderson is not in his prime yet it is interesting to see that encounter.
Will make my predicts one week before the fight night.

Its going to be an interesting fight though to see whether gsp still has it takes to take the belt and shut bisping's mouth. The thing is mot all greats who went back after retirement had a successful run. I've been a log fan though of gsp and i'm hoping this run of his becomes at least worth while.

Yes, its really interesting to see if GSP has still what it takes to have a belt around his waist again. He retired on top and citing reasons that he doesn't have that fire inside of him to fight. But now he comebacks and its gonna be interesting to see the old GSP once more. I'm not a fan though because his fights always ended in a decision and that time his decision is weak that's why he totally dominated it. Plus we didn't given the chance to see him go against Anderson Silva in their prime.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: bbc.reporter on October 20, 2017, 01:19:28 AM
@Jating. George will win this. Michael Bisping is a big talker but George has the skills. Go to all the sportsbooks and look at the odds. There is a good rationale why they think George is the favorite.

If Michael wins, it will be because of luck or an error by George, like in Michael's fight versus Luke Rockhold.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: LuanX3 on October 20, 2017, 02:22:10 AM
I think bisping is going to get beat up pretty bad by GSP in this fight. Bisping is a pussy by the way. He would have lost to even to Soldier of God (yeah love his name!) if he faced him. But mr. Scaredy cat backed out because of an "injury." Though problem here is that GSP has been out of the octagon for too long and we'll have to see what he does in the fight.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: notserp on October 20, 2017, 07:43:45 PM
i got Bisping at +132 along time ago for the max on nitro wish i could have put more down, hopefully the line will go back up closer to fight time so i can put more on it.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Hydrogen on October 20, 2017, 08:01:45 PM
I've noticed some like these mmamania write ups. This one is devoted towards Bellator 185 whose main card begins in about 6 hours from now.

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185 lbs.: Gegard Mousasi (42-6-2) vs. Alexander Shlemenko (56-9, 1 NC)

It’s staggering to consider that the two competitors in Friday’s main event have well over 100 professional fights between them combined. It’s even more staggering when you consider their respective ages: Mousasi is only 32 and Shlemenko is 33. It’s amazing just how indestructible these two men seem to be, especially given neither one has lost in five straight fights. The only thing that dogs either of these men is the fact Shlemenko failed a drug test, so some might wonder if any of his other performances up to that point were chemically enhanced. Since he tested clean before and after his dominant Bellator 162 win it may be his slate is now clean.

There’s a lot to prove for both men despite their recent win streaks. Only one of Shlemenko’s five wins came in a fight outside of Russia, so it’s hard to believe “Storm” Shlemenko didn’t benefit from some favorable booking via M-1 Challenge. Mousasi has an axe to grind after obliterating one top Middleweight after another via knockout from Vitor Belfort to Chris Weidman, yet despite his dominance he felt he was “getting screwed” on being paid what he was worth. That’s why when push came to shove and his contract ran out Mousasi signed a six fight deal with Bellator so he could show everybody that he deserves the money AND the main event spot.
Who takes advantage of the spotlight in Uncasville to further their agenda and potentially work toward a Middleweight title shot against Rafael Carvalho? Both men are knockout artists, with Shlemenko earning 31 in 56 wins (55%) and Mousasi earning 23 in 42 wins (also 55%). That suggests a coin flip in a striking exchange UNTIL you look at their size. Mousasi stands 6’2” and sports a 76” reach, while Shlemenko is 5’11” with a 71” reach. While Shlemenko was fed suitable opponents for his style including in his Bellator 162 return, Mousasi was facing submission artists like Thales Leites and men who had previously beaten him like Uriah Hall.
A fight is a fight and a win is a win but from where I stand Mousasi has faced and proven himself against much better competition. A failure here would vindicate UFC not matching Bellator’s offer to keep him and I can’t imagine more powerful motivation to do well. What motivates Shlemenko? Maybe he wants the title back at some point, but if he doesn’t earn a title shot, he can go home and get more fights from M-1 Challenge from now until whenever he retires.

Final prediction: Gegard Mousasi wins by technical knockout in the second round

155 lbs.: Ryan Quinn (13-7-1) vs. Marcus Surin (4-0)

Originally “Irish Bad Boy” Brennan Ward was looking for a quick rebound fight after being submitted at Bellator 182 in August, but an expected Welterweight tilt with “Caveman” David Rickels will have to wait as Ward withdrew from this card late due to injury. As a result a brand new fight has been bumped to the main card featuring both a familiar Bellator fight and a new prospect making his promotional debut on Friday.

Ryan Quinn’s tenure goes all the way back to Bellator 15 in 2010, where he picked up his first promotional win by unanimous decision against Matt Lee. Quinn had a mixed record outside of the promotion but inside of it he was 7-0 until he ran into Saad Awad in April. Quinn is an American Top Team veteran with a BJJ black belt, holding four wins by submission, but his opponent Surin is a knockout artist with 50% of fights in his young career leaving opponents flat. When the hard handed Awad tagged Quinn he repeatedly shot for takedowns and got swept. Surin won’t even give him that chance.
Final prediction: Marcus Surin wins by knockout in the second round

170 lbs.: Neiman Gracie (6-0) vs. Zak Bucia (18-8)

The name Gracie carries high expectations, expectations that decorated jiu-jitsu medalist Neiman Gracie has thus far managed to live up to. All but one of his six MMA wins have ended by submission, and a typical bout doesn’t get past the halfway point of the second round. He faces an opponent in Zak Bucia who obviously has more pro MMA experience. Somehow I don’t think any of that is going to matter once Gracie takes him to the ground. I’ve been watching him do this for four years now and he’s as good as billed so unless Bucia starts quick and lights him up standing it will go badly for him.

Final prediction: Neiman Gracie wins via rear naked choke in round one

125 lbs.: Heather Hardy (1-0) vs. Kristina Williams (0-0)

I don’t think we need to expound upon this one for very long. Although their MMA records suggest a nearly equal amount of inexperience it couldn’t be further from the truth. Hardy is an undefeated pro boxer with a 20-0 record nicknamed “The Heat.” She showed exactly what kind of heat she can bring to mixed martial arts by beating Alice Yauger at Bellator 180, and I expect her to showcase more of the same against a fighter ill equipped to make a debut against such a seasoned striking veteran.

Final prediction: Heather Hardy finishes Williams with strikes in round one

125 lbs.: Ana Julaton (2-2) vs. Lisa Blaine (1-0)

Don’t let Ana Julaton’s record fool you. Even though her mixed martial arts line may be middling, the boxer turned MMA fighter compiled a 14-4-1 record in the ring before transitioning to the cage, winning the Women's WBO Super Bantamweight and IBA Super Bantamweight titles in the process. Her hand speed has earned her the nickname “Hurricane,” but the “Hurricane” must face the “Insane” Lisa Blaine on Friday. Even though Blaine only has one pro fight, she beat Tammy Worrick by TKO at 2:23 of the second round, so her hands might be “alright.” It may be a theme here for the Flyweights but I’ve got to pick the boxer with the better striking experience here.

Final prediction: Ana Julaton finishes Lisa Blaine by knockout in the second round
That’s a wrap!

https://www.mmamania.com/2017/10/19/16341524/bellator-185-predictions-preview-mousasi-vs-shlemenko-spike-tv-mma

Summary:  MMAmania predictions as follows.

Gegard Mousasi > Alexander Shlemenko
Marcus Surin > Ryan Quinn
Neiman Gracie > Zak Bucia
Heather Hardy > Kristina Williams
Ana Julaton > Lisa Blaine

Not certain what mmamania's overall win vs loss record is. At the least it might provide decent exposition and background info on some of the fighters people may not have heard of.

Gegard Mousasi and Alexander Shlemenko are the only two fighters on this card I can remember seeing fight. I have Mousasi winning. Shlemenko has improved his kickboxing a lot of late though. It will be interesting to see how much he has progressed.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: krach on October 20, 2017, 09:17:49 PM
https://degenbet.com/ufc-217-bisping-vs-gsp/ (https://degenbet.com/ufc-217-bisping-vs-gsp/)

I like Bisping to win this, I think you get some nice odds with him as a slight underdog.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: bbc.reporter on October 20, 2017, 11:22:01 PM
@krach. In your article you mentioned that Chael Sonnen and Dan Henderson are probably the strongest wrestlers Michael has faced in the octagon. How does George's wrestling to both of them and what can he do to bring something new in this fight to surprise Michael?


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: thejaytiesto on October 29, 2017, 03:00:41 PM
Did anyone see that Khabib Nurmagomedov will fight Edson Barboza in UFC217? did anyone get dropped and got replaced with these guys or there were free spots for this fight?

This fight is huge, I want to see it more than Bisping vs GSP to be honest. Khabib is undefeated and I think will be the next fight for Conor after Tony Ferguson. I would like to see an undefeated Khabib fight Conor so I hope he wins. Also noticed how short Khabib's reach is. 70 inch reach for a 5'11 guy is pretty short. Barboza got 75 reach at 5'10'' and Conor got 74 reach at 5'9''. I guess Khabib is not going to try to throw hands and just constantly go for the takedown.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: DaddyMonsi on October 29, 2017, 04:47:02 PM
Bisping is the kind of fighter who will charge and doesn't care if he will end up flat on his back that's why on his first square off with Hendo, he got KOd but on the 2nd square off, still the same fighting style but a little more careful and he may have studied Hendos fighting style, his face ended up bloodied but he won. GSPs fight is more technical but watching his last fights in UFC, he seems like he just want to hold on to the title and always play safe. We may have a good fight this coming Saturday and I hope GSP will be aggressive and try to KO Bisping and not run away to play safe.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: krach on October 30, 2017, 04:14:26 PM
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@krach. In your article you mentioned that Chael Sonnen and Dan Henderson are probably the strongest wrestlers Michael has faced in the octagon. How does George's wrestling to both of them and what can he do to bring something new in this fight to surprise Michael?

He can try to out volume him, on the feet so that Bisping has to take more chances and that might open up an easier takedown. GSP is very athletic , maybe he will try some head kicks or something else we have not seen him use a lot.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on October 31, 2017, 02:13:55 PM
Did anyone see that Khabib Nurmagomedov will fight Edson Barboza in UFC217? did anyone get dropped and got replaced with these guys or there were free spots for this fight?

This fight is huge, I want to see it more than Bisping vs GSP to be honest. Khabib is undefeated and I think will be the next fight for Conor after Tony Ferguson. I would like to see an undefeated Khabib fight Conor so I hope he wins. Also noticed how short Khabib's reach is. 70 inch reach for a 5'11 guy is pretty short. Barboza got 75 reach at 5'10'' and Conor got 74 reach at 5'9''. I guess Khabib is not going to try to throw hands and just constantly go for the takedown.

It's at 219.

And Khabib after McGregor vs Ferguson?  No way.  Khabib dropped out from fighting Ferguson and he ruined his chances to be on the way to get a crack at the belt.  The UFC should make him wait.  But we'll see.  

Anyway, I updated the first post.  Check the poster out.  It's one of the better looking posters I've seen from the UFC.  It has this Star Wars vibe which I kinda like.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on October 31, 2017, 07:03:41 PM
Got a feeling Bisping is going to lose this one, he’s already had 7 losses in his career & he’s only champion because the best guys are past their peak.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Siren on October 31, 2017, 08:16:52 PM
Got a feeling Bisping is going to lose this one, he’s already had 7 losses in his career & he’s only champion because the best guys are past their peak.

I think so as well. Bisping is one of the luckiest champion and he is the weakest. While GSP has been a champion and its very relax on the cage and seems to be focus. And I also believed that he challenged Bisping because he thinks that he can beat him easily. And he will not make his comeback if he thinks that his mind and body is not ready plus the opportunity presents itself to him to fight for the belt in his comeback.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on October 31, 2017, 09:08:03 PM
@krach. In your article you mentioned that Chael Sonnen and Dan Henderson are probably the strongest wrestlers Michael has faced in the octagon. How does George's wrestling to both of them and what can he do to bring something new in this fight to surprise Michael?
George is a perfectionist and he always get the right coaching staff always,to deal with Bisping and his striking he has Freddie Roach in his corner and his game plan will be to take Bisping down and score points every round and that is his natural game plan,his long lay off is the only factor in this fight and i am not sure how that will affect his game plan,only after seeing the first few minutes we could determine how the fight is going .


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Hydrogen on October 31, 2017, 09:59:57 PM
Don't follow me on this but I have Bisping winning.

GSP might have broke mentally when he fought Johny Hendricks. Something happened to GSP after that fight where he lost his nerve and didn't want to fight anymore. I think its a long and hard road for GSP to climb back into the cage and the odds are against him.

GSP has also been a one dimensional fighter throughout his career. Either GSP jabs his way to decision wins or he takes his opponents down. That doesn't leave GSP with a lot of options if he someone shuts down the two ways he has to win fights the way Johny Hendricks did. Also I think MMA has evolved since GSP retired. Everyone has improved. GSP was always a small welterweight. There are pictures of GSP standing next to Conor McGregor and they're both close to the same size.

This my resemble and thorough and confident analysis but its really not. I could easily see GSP winning the fight.

There's an alternative analysis which says the reason GSP stepped away from MMA had to do with his former manager being awarded rights to big chunks of GSP's paychecks by a judge even though they had parted ways years ago. GSP might have quit MMA due to him not wanting his former manager to get a cut of his UFC salary. So there are a few competing theories for explaining why things happen and not everything is necessarily etched in stone.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: D2R2 on November 01, 2017, 11:36:10 AM
i think Bisping vs GSP result will be like machida vs brunson,1-2 round bisping TKO  . too long gsp was on holidays


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: steveabrahams on November 01, 2017, 11:57:50 AM
Another great card in this year, 3 main events with the belt. I'm surprised Bisping odds is bigger than GSP, I mean Bisping is not that bad and I feel like GSP era is already done. About Cody Garbrandt vs T.J. Dillashaw, this is a must watch match.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: nydiacaskey01 on November 01, 2017, 03:52:58 PM
So with Freddie Roach on Georges St Pierre's corner does that change the odds? I am siding with Michael Bisping on this fight but after I saw a video clip Boxings hall of Famer Freddie Roach I think GSP has a bigger chance to to win this fight as Freddie Roach is helping him with his striking skills. GSPs ground game is good but if he adds striking to his arsenal, he may disappoint Bisping this coming Saturday.

I've seen Freddie Roach make Mike Tyson a changed Boxer after training him. Without Roach, Tyson rely more on his power punches but after Roach stepped in the training camp, Tyson is ducking punches, moves faster and his punch is more precise.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Kemarit on November 02, 2017, 01:24:44 PM
So with Freddie Roach on Georges St Pierre's corner does that change the odds? I am siding with Michael Bisping on this fight but after I saw a video clip Boxings hall of Famer Freddie Roach I think GSP has a bigger chance to to win this fight as Freddie Roach is helping him with his striking skills. GSPs ground game is good but if he adds striking to his arsenal, he may disappoint Bisping this coming Saturday.

I've seen Freddie Roach make Mike Tyson a changed Boxer after training him. Without Roach, Tyson rely more on his power punches but after Roach stepped in the training camp, Tyson is ducking punches, moves faster and his punch is more precise.

As much as I loved Freddie Roach, I don't think it will add up any value to Georges St. Pierre. I think we have seen Freddie's best days, Pacquiao is declining I can't remember any of his stable boxers making a scene in the boxing world so for me there's nothing special having Freddie on GSP's corner.

The Tyson thing is different I think, he just honed Tyson because that guy has already punching power. And as time progresses Freddie's style is somewhat outdated plus the physical deterioration he has makes him less trainer than he used to be.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on November 02, 2017, 02:22:59 PM
Hey guys, just dropping by to post some videos.  Enjoy watching them and I hope it doesn't affect your decision making when making your bets.  ;)  These vids are known to hype the event.

Which comes down to my question...  Do you think Rose Namajunas can get lucky against JJ?  Odds on here at Nitrogen seems to look like it's value.

UFC 217 Countdown: Full Episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlVwGjwex9s

UFC 217: Inside the Octagon - Garbrandt vs Dillashaw & Joanna vs Namajunas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk0-piiwvJ8

UFC 217 Embedded: Vlog Series Episode 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU_XfiNJkos

UFC 217 Embedded: Vlog Series Episode 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yUEhjbNhKs


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: DeathAngel on November 02, 2017, 03:02:52 PM
Bisping to win here, even though he is a veteran fighter I think he has peaked late, he’s a very dangerous man atm. Bisping by KO or TKO.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: bbc.reporter on November 03, 2017, 11:54:11 PM
@DeathAngel. Michael Bisping is merely having a string of good fights and some luck with how judges scored them. But his skills are the same as it were, showing only minor improvement.

GSP has a better chance to win this. Have you also watched their faceoff yet? The size difference between the two is not that great. Many casual fans make the mistake of thinking that this will be like David versus Goliath.



Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: btctalk4life on November 04, 2017, 06:00:33 AM
GSP by tko round 2.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on November 04, 2017, 12:59:14 PM
Does anybody else think Namajunas can win vs JJ?  I think she has a better chance than the 5.74 odds Nitrogen has given her.  I also think she has the edge mentally.  JJ could be leveling herself with all the psychological warfare she's doing against a person who just sees thru her.

Here are the weigh ins.  Enjoy.  :)

UFC 217: Official Weigh-in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmTR_mx9-EE


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Kemarit on November 04, 2017, 02:50:31 PM
Does anybody else think Namajunas can win vs JJ?  I think she has a better chance than the 5.74 odds Nitrogen has given her.  I also think she has the edge mentally.  JJ could be leveling herself with all the psychological warfare she's doing against a person who just sees thru her.

Here are the weigh ins.  Enjoy.  :)

UFC 217: Official Weigh-in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmTR_mx9-EE

Thanks again for sharing us the link. Wow JJ just barging in but Rose didn't move a thing although she is very focus and tight. But JJ again used his big mouth to try to intimate Rose but I think she's getting in her head because look how tight she is, even she has his fist clenched. LOL. I think Rose has improved a lot and she is very dangerous once she gets a hold of you and try for a submission. But JJ is still above with all the women's right now, she is on a different level specially with her striking ability. I think she will win again for her 7th successful defense of her title.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Hydrogen on November 04, 2017, 08:58:45 PM
Does anybody else think Namajunas can win vs JJ?  I think she has a better chance than the 5.74 odds Nitrogen has given her.  I also think she has the edge mentally.  JJ could be leveling herself with all the psychological warfare she's doing against a person who just sees thru her.

My thoughts exactly.

Namajumas is showing maturity and wisdom in the way she carries herself. Joanna's antics appear more immature in contrast. I have Namajunas winning the talking battle. What happens in the cage can often be an entirely different story, though. There have been many fights where one person dominated in the talking and promotion, then got KO'ed in the 1st round of the actual fight.

One point no one is touching upon is, one of Thug Rose Namajunas' training partners is Valentina Shevchenko. Joanna and Shevchenko have fought 2-3 times in muay thai kickboxing and Shevchenko beat Joanna every single time. Shevchenko could know Joanna's game very well and be able to teach Rose counters that might allow her to win. That theory is farfetched, Joanna's technique has changed a lot since she first came to MMA. Still it is possible that having Shevchenko as a sparring partner, someone who already beat Joanna 3 times in kickboxing, could give Rose an advantage.

Cody vs TJ is similar. TJ predicted Cody's team would say a lot of bad things about TJ during fight week & TJ turned out to be right. TJ might be a little better spoken than Cody in the talking part of things. No one's giving TJ a chance but the fight could be a lot closer than many realize.

Bisping vs GSP also. Bisping is probably winning the talking part of things. While GSP looks very relaxed and confident.

Its possible we'll see that talking doesn't matter at all, the only thing that matters is what happens in the cage. Or maybe it will show that the talking does matter and can serve as a valid indication of how the fight will go.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: eaLiTy on November 04, 2017, 11:51:03 PM
And the day of the big fight has arrived and i am going the safe route in my mind and my bet for the day is GSP,Cody Garbrandt,Joanna Jedrzejczyk,Stephen Thomson,Paulo Borrachinha,Walt Harris Mickey Gall OSP Vs Corey over 1.5 , i have made multiple parlays and hope i win some of them,it is a juicy card to miss and i am sad that i missed out on the Bellator card earlier today which was easy pickings.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: vit05 on November 05, 2017, 12:01:53 AM
I am really excited for this fight. GPS back is a major event. But I do not know if he has a chance. I just hope that the fight goes well and it is not the bullshit that some of the last fights was.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: btctalk4life on November 05, 2017, 05:10:08 AM
WHAT A CARD! all are the new champion.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: gabmen on November 05, 2017, 06:09:57 AM
WHAT A CARD! all are the new champion.


Whooooh! Won a couple of bucks there with my boy gsp. Honestly i only placed a bet on him because i've been a fan but boy, what a return. So much for loudmouth bisping :D


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: bbc.reporter on November 05, 2017, 07:27:59 AM
Does anybody else think Namajunas can win vs JJ?  I think she has a better chance than the 5.74 odds Nitrogen has given her.  I also think she has the edge mentally.  JJ could be leveling herself with all the psychological warfare she's doing against a person who just sees thru her.

My thoughts exactly.

Namajumas is showing maturity and wisdom in the way she carries herself. Joanna's antics appear more immature in contrast. I have Namajunas winning the talking battle. What happens in the cage can often be an entirely different story, though. There have been many fights where one person dominated in the talking and promotion, then got KO'ed in the 1st round of the actual fight.

One point no one is touching upon is, one of Thug Rose Namajunas' training partners is Valentina Shevchenko. Joanna and Shevchenko have fought 2-3 times in muay thai kickboxing and Shevchenko beat Joanna every single time. Shevchenko could know Joanna's game very well and be able to teach Rose counters that might allow her to win. That theory is farfetched, Joanna's technique has changed a lot since she first came to MMA. Still it is possible that having Shevchenko as a sparring partner, someone who already beat Joanna 3 times in kickboxing, could give Rose an advantage.

Cody vs TJ is similar. TJ predicted Cody's team would say a lot of bad things about TJ during fight week & TJ turned out to be right. TJ might be a little better spoken than Cody in the talking part of things. No one's giving TJ a chance but the fight could be a lot closer than many realize.

Bisping vs GSP also. Bisping is probably winning the talking part of things. While GSP looks very relaxed and confident.

Its possible we'll see that talking doesn't matter at all, the only thing that matters is what happens in the cage. Or maybe it will show that the talking does matter and can serve as a valid indication of how the fight will go.

Good analysis on all 3 fights! I wish I listened to the first one with Joanna versus Rose Namajunas. Who would have thought it would end that way? Next time please share your MMA bets with us 1 week before the fight hehehe.

I liked Rose's interview after the fight. She remained humble, very much the opposite of Joanna who is always full of herself. Sorry boogie woman, time for you to keep quiet.





Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on November 05, 2017, 12:54:47 PM
Here are the results for the event folks.  I'm pretty happy with my Namajumas win.  And I almost bet on Dillashaw at 2.84 right after but I hesitated.  Oh well.

Anyway, JJ probably leveled herself with all the trash talk.  Ever since McGregor came to the scene and became huge, every MMA fighter wants to do it like him.  It's getting old. 

https://i.imgur.com/wYAaDwX.jpg


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: vit05 on November 05, 2017, 05:02:23 PM
GSP could bring back some excitement to UFC. He is really great and I wasn't expecting for him to come back in such a great shape.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Awnar on November 06, 2017, 11:01:56 AM
What an event! All champions are defeated in a night!

Michael Bisping was being too way arrogant and with his trash talks, St. Pierre made him eat all his words. But respect with both fighters  a great display of sportsmanship, in the end Bisping shows a class even he's defeated. Compared to Garbrandt with no class, very arrogant till the end, I'll spend money to watch this fight again. I just remember the fight is similar  to Holmes vs Rousey.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on November 06, 2017, 01:47:15 PM
What an event! All champions are defeated in a night!

Michael Bisping was being too way arrogant and with his trash talks, St. Pierre made him eat all his words. But respect with both fighters  a great display of sportsmanship, in the end Bisping shows a class even he's defeated. Compared to Garbrandt with no class, very arrogant till the end, I'll spend money to watch this fight again. I just remember the fight is similar  to Holmes vs Rousey.

You're right.  I wasn't even thinking about that. Lol.

Bisping was just trying to sell the fight.  If you watched all their press conferences, you'd notice that GSP has finally caught on at the later ones, and knew Bisping was doing it all for the crowd.  GSP wasn't as annoyed anymore and started laughing a bit more.

Garbrandt was actually showing respect for Dillashaw right after the match.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on November 07, 2017, 09:37:33 PM
It was a good card and it is filled with lot of surprises and i never expected these sort of upsets,i knew GSP could win against Bisping as he wont rush his return if he is not prepared ,but Rose really surprised me and i never expected her to defeat Joanna with strikes,three titles changing hands in one night is rare and i do not remember a last card that all the titles are changed in one night.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: thejaytiesto on November 10, 2017, 04:59:46 PM
It was fucking fantastic. It was awesome to see GSP back in amazing shape, still looking really sharp at age 36. I hope he continues fighting, but that weight was probably too much for him, he should cut and fight Conor McGregor, now that would be an epic fight, but McGregor still has Khabib and Ferguson first.

Cody's perfect record got fucked by TJ and Joanna's perfect record also got fucked by Rose. A night of upsets and exciting fights. Now I wonder, besides Khabib, who else is undefeated?


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on November 11, 2017, 08:57:55 AM
Is it just me, or does anybody else think that GSP's come back was 'meh'?  It looks like another publicity stunt just to draw a large crowd.  I would rather watch Whitaker vs Bisping.

And who else thinks GSP will vacate the MW belt?  Don't think he'll defend it.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Kemarit on November 11, 2017, 12:20:37 PM
Is it just me, or does anybody else think that GSP's come back was 'meh'?  It looks like another publicity stunt just to draw a large crowd.  I would rather watch Whitaker vs Bisping.

And who else thinks GSP will vacate the MW belt?  Don't think he'll defend it.

I just finished watching the replay of the fight. And its looks like just a "OK" performance from GSP. He was heavily breathing from round 2 onwards and he is huge. LOL. I think he needs a few more fights though, but since he is a champion I'm expecting him to face the challenge. It looks like he will vacant, based on the interview though. Also, he is too small for a middle weight and this is not his natural weight. This is just for the fanfare and to become a 2 divisional champion. Nothing else.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on November 12, 2017, 01:56:47 PM
And Bisping looks like has become a paycheck fighter over night, and just like that.  He's fighting again vs Gastelum on November 25 in replacement for Silva, who failed a drug test.  Lol.

He'll be retiring after he gets his fill.  Prolly by late 2019?

UFC Fight Night 122:  Bisping vs Gastelum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Bisping_vs._Gastelum


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: thejaytiesto on November 13, 2017, 05:14:05 PM
Is it just me, or does anybody else think that GSP's come back was 'meh'?  It looks like another publicity stunt just to draw a large crowd.  I would rather watch Whitaker vs Bisping.

And who else thinks GSP will vacate the MW belt?  Don't think he'll defend it.

I don't know man I think GSP looked pretty good to me. It's been 2 years? since the latest fight, the guy is 36 and he was out of his natural weight range.

I agree that he would need to fight a top5 fighter to see what he can do. I would love to see GSP vs Khabib, I think it's a good match and both are similar in frame and weight. If GSP ruined Khabib's undefeated record it would be huge. But I would rather see Conor vs Khabib, but im sure Conor will fight Tony first.

Conor can make fucktons of money doing the whole Tony-Khabib-3rd rematch with Nate and even throw in a fight with Woodley that would be epic too.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: Baofeng on November 13, 2017, 05:45:34 PM
Is it just me, or does anybody else think that GSP's come back was 'meh'?  It looks like another publicity stunt just to draw a large crowd.  I would rather watch Whitaker vs Bisping.

And who else thinks GSP will vacate the MW belt?  Don't think he'll defend it.

I don't know man I think GSP looked pretty good to me. It's been 2 years? since the latest fight, the guy is 36 and he was out of his natural weight range.

I agree that he would need to fight a top5 fighter to see what he can do. I would love to see GSP vs Khabib, I think it's a good match and both are similar in frame and weight. If GSP ruined Khabib's undefeated record it would be huge. But I would rather see Conor vs Khabib, but im sure Conor will fight Tony first.

Conor can make fucktons of money doing the whole Tony-Khabib-3rd rematch with Nate and even throw in a fight with Woodley that would be epic too.

I'm also having a hard time thinking GSP fighting at Middle Weight. We all know that this is not his natural weight and what will happened if he faces a natural Middle Weight fighter like Luke Rockhold, 6'3 who could probably go 200 lbs full during fight night? And during the interview he says that he was really hurt from Bisping shots, imagine what other MW who is more stronger than Bisping can do to GSP faces. Yeah GSP vs Khabib would be a dream match. Let's see if GSP can take that 0 from Khabib.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: tokeweed on November 14, 2017, 12:17:46 PM
Is it just me, or does anybody else think that GSP's come back was 'meh'?  It looks like another publicity stunt just to draw a large crowd.  I would rather watch Whitaker vs Bisping.

And who else thinks GSP will vacate the MW belt?  Don't think he'll defend it.

I don't know man I think GSP looked pretty good to me. It's been 2 years? since the latest fight, the guy is 36 and he was out of his natural weight range.

I agree that he would need to fight a top5 fighter to see what he can do. I would love to see GSP vs Khabib, I think it's a good match and both are similar in frame and weight. If GSP ruined Khabib's undefeated record it would be huge. But I would rather see Conor vs Khabib, but im sure Conor will fight Tony first.

Conor can make fucktons of money doing the whole Tony-Khabib-3rd rematch with Nate and even throw in a fight with Woodley that would be epic too.

He was just 'OK' at most imho.  Sure it's been two years, so why did the UFC make him and Bisping the main event?  I mean if GSP was fighting Rockhold or Whitaker, I don't think he would look good vs them.  He'd get owned and dominated.

Khabib and GSP?  So you want GSP to go down at LW then?


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: nydiacaskey01 on November 14, 2017, 04:01:59 PM
And Bisping looks like has become a paycheck fighter over night, and just like that.  He's fighting again vs Gastelum on November 25 in replacement for Silva, who failed a drug test.  Lol.

He'll be retiring after he gets his fill.  Prolly by late 2019?

UFC Fight Night 122:  Bisping vs Gastelum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Bisping_vs._Gastelum
Well we have to give credit to this man who is willing to take this fight in such a short notice and I guess he really wanted to redeem him self after his loss with GSP. He did well in his fight with GSP and I guess Bisping is aiming for a rematch. He tried his best but GSP is the best man for that fight.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: thejaytiesto on November 14, 2017, 06:26:01 PM
And Bisping looks like has become a paycheck fighter over night, and just like that.  He's fighting again vs Gastelum on November 25 in replacement for Silva, who failed a drug test.  Lol.

He'll be retiring after he gets his fill.  Prolly by late 2019?

UFC Fight Night 122:  Bisping vs Gastelum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Bisping_vs._Gastelum
Well we have to give credit to this man who is willing to take this fight in such a short notice and I guess he really wanted to redeem him self after his loss with GSP. He did well in his fight with GSP and I guess Bisping is aiming for a rematch. He tried his best but GSP is the best man for that fight.

Bisping should retire to be honest. The man is fighting with only one eye as far as I know, because he lost his vision on the other one due an eye-poke. It is insane to think that he is risking his life on the cage with 50% of vision. The man must be a millionaire by now and he does a good job in Fox Sports (I think he works there). But these guys really love fighting. DC is also a millionaire and has a secured job on TV but im sure he would love to fight Jon Jones again. If you don't love fighting you don't get this far, you need that competitive edge.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: bbc.reporter on November 15, 2017, 07:35:46 AM
@thejaytiesto. I reckon Michael Bisping will be announcing his retirement after Fight Night 122 whether he wins or loses. There is no other explanation why he is taking a fight this early especially after failing to defend his championship.

I also hope he wins. He is one of my favorite talkers in the sport.


Title: Re: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread
Post by: gabmen on November 15, 2017, 04:08:33 PM
@thejaytiesto. I reckon Michael Bisping will be announcing his retirement after Fight Night 122 whether he wins or loses. There is no other explanation why he is taking a fight this early especially after failing to defend his championship.

I also hope he wins. He is one of my favorite talkers in the sport.


Well talented as he may seem, he's seen better days. I'll admit he's quite a fighter as well as a talker but he proves himself inside the cage most of the time. There are many young guys emerging now and i think its time for the veteran likes of bisping and even gsp to hang it up. Probably one last fight but no more