UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread

[tokeweed]

Does anybody else think Namajunas can win vs JJ?  I think she has a better chance than the 5.74 odds Nitrogen has given her.  I also think she has the edge mentally.  JJ could be leveling herself with all the psychological warfare she's doing against a person who just sees thru her.

Here are the weigh ins.  Enjoy. 

UFC 217: Official Weigh-in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmTR_mx9-EE

[Kemarit]

Does anybody else think Namajunas can win vs JJ?  I think she has a better chance than the 5.74 odds Nitrogen has given her.  I also think she has the edge mentally.  JJ could be leveling herself with all the psychological warfare she's doing against a person who just sees thru her.

Here are the weigh ins.  Enjoy. 

UFC 217: Official Weigh-in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmTR_mx9-EE

Thanks again for sharing us the link. Wow JJ just barging in but Rose didn't move a thing although she is very focus and tight. But JJ again used his big mouth to try to intimate Rose but I think she's getting in her head because look how tight she is, even she has his fist clenched. LOL. I think Rose has improved a lot and she is very dangerous once she gets a hold of you and try for a submission. But JJ is still above with all the women's right now, she is on a different level specially with her striking ability. I think she will win again for her 7th successful defense of her title.

[Hydrogen]

Does anybody else think Namajunas can win vs JJ?  I think she has a better chance than the 5.74 odds Nitrogen has given her.  I also think she has the edge mentally.  JJ could be leveling herself with all the psychological warfare she's doing against a person who just sees thru her.

My thoughts exactly.

Namajumas is showing maturity and wisdom in the way she carries herself. Joanna's antics appear more immature in contrast. I have Namajunas winning the talking battle. What happens in the cage can often be an entirely different story, though. There have been many fights where one person dominated in the talking and promotion, then got KO'ed in the 1st round of the actual fight.

One point no one is touching upon is, one of Thug Rose Namajunas' training partners is Valentina Shevchenko. Joanna and Shevchenko have fought 2-3 times in muay thai kickboxing and Shevchenko beat Joanna every single time. Shevchenko could know Joanna's game very well and be able to teach Rose counters that might allow her to win. That theory is farfetched, Joanna's technique has changed a lot since she first came to MMA. Still it is possible that having Shevchenko as a sparring partner, someone who already beat Joanna 3 times in kickboxing, could give Rose an advantage.

Cody vs TJ is similar. TJ predicted Cody's team would say a lot of bad things about TJ during fight week & TJ turned out to be right. TJ might be a little better spoken than Cody in the talking part of things. No one's giving TJ a chance but the fight could be a lot closer than many realize.

Bisping vs GSP also. Bisping is probably winning the talking part of things. While GSP looks very relaxed and confident.

Its possible we'll see that talking doesn't matter at all, the only thing that matters is what happens in the cage. Or maybe it will show that the talking does matter and can serve as a valid indication of how the fight will go.

[eaLiTy]

And the day of the big fight has arrived and i am going the safe route in my mind and my bet for the day is GSP,Cody Garbrandt,Joanna Jedrzejczyk,Stephen Thomson,Paulo Borrachinha,Walt Harris Mickey Gall OSP Vs Corey over 1.5 , i have made multiple parlays and hope i win some of them,it is a juicy card to miss and i am sad that i missed out on the Bellator card earlier today which was easy pickings.

[vit05]

I am really excited for this fight. GPS back is a major event. But I do not know if he has a chance. I just hope that the fight goes well and it is not the bullshit that some of the last fights was.

[btctalk4life]

WHAT A CARD! all are the new champion.

[gabmen]

WHAT A CARD! all are the new champion.

Whooooh! Won a couple of bucks there with my boy gsp. Honestly i only placed a bet on him because i've been a fan but boy, what a return. So much for loudmouth bisping

[bbc.reporter]

Does anybody else think Namajunas can win vs JJ?  I think she has a better chance than the 5.74 odds Nitrogen has given her.  I also think she has the edge mentally.  JJ could be leveling herself with all the psychological warfare she's doing against a person who just sees thru her.

My thoughts exactly.

Namajumas is showing maturity and wisdom in the way she carries herself. Joanna's antics appear more immature in contrast. I have Namajunas winning the talking battle. What happens in the cage can often be an entirely different story, though. There have been many fights where one person dominated in the talking and promotion, then got KO'ed in the 1st round of the actual fight.

One point no one is touching upon is, one of Thug Rose Namajunas' training partners is Valentina Shevchenko. Joanna and Shevchenko have fought 2-3 times in muay thai kickboxing and Shevchenko beat Joanna every single time. Shevchenko could know Joanna's game very well and be able to teach Rose counters that might allow her to win. That theory is farfetched, Joanna's technique has changed a lot since she first came to MMA. Still it is possible that having Shevchenko as a sparring partner, someone who already beat Joanna 3 times in kickboxing, could give Rose an advantage.

Cody vs TJ is similar. TJ predicted Cody's team would say a lot of bad things about TJ during fight week & TJ turned out to be right. TJ might be a little better spoken than Cody in the talking part of things. No one's giving TJ a chance but the fight could be a lot closer than many realize.

Bisping vs GSP also. Bisping is probably winning the talking part of things. While GSP looks very relaxed and confident.

Its possible we'll see that talking doesn't matter at all, the only thing that matters is what happens in the cage. Or maybe it will show that the talking does matter and can serve as a valid indication of how the fight will go.

Good analysis on all 3 fights! I wish I listened to the first one with Joanna versus Rose Namajunas. Who would have thought it would end that way? Next time please share your MMA bets with us 1 week before the fight hehehe.

I liked Rose's interview after the fight. She remained humble, very much the opposite of Joanna who is always full of herself. Sorry boogie woman, time for you to keep quiet.

[tokeweed]

Here are the results for the event folks.  I'm pretty happy with my Namajumas win.  And I almost bet on Dillashaw at 2.84 right after but I hesitated.  Oh well.

Anyway, JJ probably leveled herself with all the trash talk.  Ever since McGregor came to the scene and became huge, every MMA fighter wants to do it like him.  It's getting old. 

[vit05]

GSP could bring back some excitement to UFC. He is really great and I wasn't expecting for him to come back in such a great shape.

[Awnar]

What an event! All champions are defeated in a night!

Michael Bisping was being too way arrogant and with his trash talks, St. Pierre made him eat all his words. But respect with both fighters  a great display of sportsmanship, in the end Bisping shows a class even he's defeated. Compared to Garbrandt with no class, very arrogant till the end, I'll spend money to watch this fight again. I just remember the fight is similar  to Holmes vs Rousey.

[tokeweed]

What an event! All champions are defeated in a night!

Michael Bisping was being too way arrogant and with his trash talks, St. Pierre made him eat all his words. But respect with both fighters  a great display of sportsmanship, in the end Bisping shows a class even he's defeated. Compared to Garbrandt with no class, very arrogant till the end, I'll spend money to watch this fight again. I just remember the fight is similar  to Holmes vs Rousey.

You're right.  I wasn't even thinking about that. Lol.

Bisping was just trying to sell the fight.  If you watched all their press conferences, you'd notice that GSP has finally caught on at the later ones, and knew Bisping was doing it all for the crowd.  GSP wasn't as annoyed anymore and started laughing a bit more.

Garbrandt was actually showing respect for Dillashaw right after the match.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

It was a good card and it is filled with lot of surprises and i never expected these sort of upsets,i knew GSP could win against Bisping as he wont rush his return if he is not prepared ,but Rose really surprised me and i never expected her to defeat Joanna with strikes,three titles changing hands in one night is rare and i do not remember a last card that all the titles are changed in one night.

[thejaytiesto]

It was fucking fantastic. It was awesome to see GSP back in amazing shape, still looking really sharp at age 36. I hope he continues fighting, but that weight was probably too much for him, he should cut and fight Conor McGregor, now that would be an epic fight, but McGregor still has Khabib and Ferguson first.

Cody's perfect record got fucked by TJ and Joanna's perfect record also got fucked by Rose. A night of upsets and exciting fights. Now I wonder, besides Khabib, who else is undefeated?

[tokeweed]

Is it just me, or does anybody else think that GSP's come back was 'meh'?  It looks like another publicity stunt just to draw a large crowd.  I would rather watch Whitaker vs Bisping.

And who else thinks GSP will vacate the MW belt?  Don't think he'll defend it.

[Kemarit]

Is it just me, or does anybody else think that GSP's come back was 'meh'?  It looks like another publicity stunt just to draw a large crowd.  I would rather watch Whitaker vs Bisping.

And who else thinks GSP will vacate the MW belt?  Don't think he'll defend it.

I just finished watching the replay of the fight. And its looks like just a "OK" performance from GSP. He was heavily breathing from round 2 onwards and he is huge. LOL. I think he needs a few more fights though, but since he is a champion I'm expecting him to face the challenge. It looks like he will vacant, based on the interview though. Also, he is too small for a middle weight and this is not his natural weight. This is just for the fanfare and to become a 2 divisional champion. Nothing else.

[tokeweed]

And Bisping looks like has become a paycheck fighter over night, and just like that.  He's fighting again vs Gastelum on November 25 in replacement for Silva, who failed a drug test.  Lol.

He'll be retiring after he gets his fill.  Prolly by late 2019?

UFC Fight Night 122:  Bisping vs Gastelum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Bisping_vs._Gastelum

[thejaytiesto]

Is it just me, or does anybody else think that GSP's come back was 'meh'?  It looks like another publicity stunt just to draw a large crowd.  I would rather watch Whitaker vs Bisping.

And who else thinks GSP will vacate the MW belt?  Don't think he'll defend it.

I don't know man I think GSP looked pretty good to me. It's been 2 years? since the latest fight, the guy is 36 and he was out of his natural weight range.

I agree that he would need to fight a top5 fighter to see what he can do. I would love to see GSP vs Khabib, I think it's a good match and both are similar in frame and weight. If GSP ruined Khabib's undefeated record it would be huge. But I would rather see Conor vs Khabib, but im sure Conor will fight Tony first.

Conor can make fucktons of money doing the whole Tony-Khabib-3rd rematch with Nate and even throw in a fight with Woodley that would be epic too.

[Baofeng]

Is it just me, or does anybody else think that GSP's come back was 'meh'?  It looks like another publicity stunt just to draw a large crowd.  I would rather watch Whitaker vs Bisping.

And who else thinks GSP will vacate the MW belt?  Don't think he'll defend it.

I don't know man I think GSP looked pretty good to me. It's been 2 years? since the latest fight, the guy is 36 and he was out of his natural weight range.

I agree that he would need to fight a top5 fighter to see what he can do. I would love to see GSP vs Khabib, I think it's a good match and both are similar in frame and weight. If GSP ruined Khabib's undefeated record it would be huge. But I would rather see Conor vs Khabib, but im sure Conor will fight Tony first.

Conor can make fucktons of money doing the whole Tony-Khabib-3rd rematch with Nate and even throw in a fight with Woodley that would be epic too.

I'm also having a hard time thinking GSP fighting at Middle Weight. We all know that this is not his natural weight and what will happened if he faces a natural Middle Weight fighter like Luke Rockhold, 6'3 who could probably go 200 lbs full during fight night? And during the interview he says that he was really hurt from Bisping shots, imagine what other MW who is more stronger than Bisping can do to GSP faces. Yeah GSP vs Khabib would be a dream match. Let's see if GSP can take that 0 from Khabib.

[tokeweed]

Is it just me, or does anybody else think that GSP's come back was 'meh'?  It looks like another publicity stunt just to draw a large crowd.  I would rather watch Whitaker vs Bisping.

And who else thinks GSP will vacate the MW belt?  Don't think he'll defend it.

I don't know man I think GSP looked pretty good to me. It's been 2 years? since the latest fight, the guy is 36 and he was out of his natural weight range.

I agree that he would need to fight a top5 fighter to see what he can do. I would love to see GSP vs Khabib, I think it's a good match and both are similar in frame and weight. If GSP ruined Khabib's undefeated record it would be huge. But I would rather see Conor vs Khabib, but im sure Conor will fight Tony first.

Conor can make fucktons of money doing the whole Tony-Khabib-3rd rematch with Nate and even throw in a fight with Woodley that would be epic too.

He was just 'OK' at most imho.  Sure it's been two years, so why did the UFC make him and Bisping the main event?  I mean if GSP was fighting Rockhold or Whitaker, I don't think he would look good vs them.  He'd get owned and dominated.

Khabib and GSP?  So you want GSP to go down at LW then?