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Ok, now that I've got your attention with an over dramatic sensationalized headline here is the real deal....

Soon the DHS will announce that anybody who owns, transfers, buys, trades, or settles debts with Bitcoins in the U.S. will be considered a person of interest in terrorist activities.   

That is exactly where I think we are going...Just give it time & with this new scandal literally breaking RIGHT now it further pushes the theory even closer to reality. With all the recent activities & Government involved shut downs of BTC & now this HUGE breaking news that websites like these including FB, Yahoo, Google, etc. are not only monitored but they have access to your accounts just makes it all worse...I can not believe the intrusiveness and abuse of power this U.S. Government has taken.  Soon well all have to be using TOR until that is outlawed... 

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/new-leak-feds-can-access-anything-in-your-google-facebook-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+All+content%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/nyregion/liberty-reserve-operators-accused-of-money-laundering.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://betabeat.com/2013/05/department-of-homeland-security-shuts-down-dwolla-payments-to-and-from-mt-gox/

The list goes on... :'(

Bad Title
Should be We are all ....
I am sure just posting on this site is adequate.
The horses are out, don't bother locking the barn door.

The OP joined on the day BTC was selling at $266.
Is this another case of bought-too-high so its time to unleash some serious FUD-slinging? Wants to talk it back down to $5 so that he can average in at a good price.

Actually that's not the case at all I've been buying pretty consistently since around $75.00

THE DHS  ???
O M G

I thinks that only applies if you're social life depends on the use of those company's products. That's why I switched to Duck Duck Go for web search. Lavabit for email. And now only use VPN for internet browsing. The only thing that I'm exposed with would be facebook but I don't even have any personal info on there besides my name and birthday. Though FB always tires to get me to include more info "about myself".

I will try Duck Duck Go.

don't fool yourself liberty reserve was a shady company used mostly by criminals , but this has nothing to do with bitcoin.

I am not a terrorist.  Your topic is lame, even if it is a joke.

On that same note, I hope the Bitcoin community is trying or attempting to do its due diligence concerning people who would harm others indiscriminately.

We are not terrorists.

We are pirates riding outside the "civilized" system.

The DHS can't do anything more about Bitcoin than they could about BitTorrent.

DHS & co are the real terrorists!
When will american people wake up and defend their freedom and constitution?

Know who else was always talking about how his people should wake up and defend their freedom?


























































http://images.wikia.com/illogicopedia/images/6/6b/Dancing_hitler.gif

BTW good title!

I find the context for your post to be a tad banal because one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.  This makes it a hopelessly polarizing way of thinking about the struggles that surround us, only serving to box your mind into a restricted set of outcomes thus missing the root cause solutions that would actually bring positive change.

We should not propagate the idea that Terrorists even exist.  People do bad things for many reasons, and they are all criminals if proven guilty, plain and simple.  We have laws and punishments for this.  WTF - what's the big fuss?

The "T" word allows powers to further justify the extra-judicial CRAP they are pushing to bypass the rule of law, and I would argue that the fear-warmongering propaganda they spew on the nightly news counts as terrorism if one must use the stupid word.  World powers all LOVE terrorism because the sheeple who buy the BS willingly hand over their rights and fund the false flag fight.  It's because we participate in the "T" word diversion that the attack on our rights is even possible.

Don't buy it, do your own math, and keep your mind free.  And when people throw the "T" word around, politely correct them.
    After all, :) small acts do add up.

Exactly.
I was watching a documentary on the Medieval period, and the public were constantly being watched over by teams who worked for the bishops. They were looking out for heretics, anyone who publicly disagreed with some aspect of theology. Heretics were arrested and slowly killed. The professor compared the scare about heretics with the fears about modern day terrorists! That is the mindset everyone is in. Any terrorists found should just be charged with whatever criminal laws they have broken and that is the end of it. A 'war on terror', is just plain stupid, just like a Medieval war against heretics.

I think USA will be reminded by other countries that they cant simply spy everybody around. This wont be simply adopted by rest of the world. And only one thing they can achieve by this spying is even more enemies. Especially when you consider that not only regular people was spied but also officials from every country in the world.

So first they plan on how to tax btc, then they will consider the persons owning it as terrorist suspects.. naaah.

Unfortunately it's based in Amerika.  Try https://startpage.com/eng/aboutstartpage/

Not everyone ;)   The time is fast approaching when a significant proportion of the population recognize that the "laws", the definitions of "criminal, heretic, and terrorists" are being concocted and enforced by authorities which are MORALLY ILLEGITIMATE.

At that point, people stop caring about what "laws" they are breaking, and instead look to their own moral compasses, and after much chaos, the cycle turns again.

As Lao Tzu said:

When the Tao is forgotten,
Kindness and morality arise.
When wisdom and intelligence are born,
The great pretense begins.
When there is no peace within the family,
Filial piety and devotion arise.
When the country is confused and in chaos,
Loyal ministers appear.

Sheesh. My crystal ball says something different than your crystal ball. I suppose we must simply agree to disagree.

Why are logic and reality so hard to consider for so many here?

Whose reality?  ;)

I've literally belly bumped with a DHS fatass in a riot.
They know who I am. If they busted down this door and carted me off to gitmo or a fema camp, an eyelash I would not bat.
I'm pretty sure I am on the no fly list, and I'm just a nonviolent penniless hipster homebum.
PBJTIME.GIF

I think you need to hurt someone to be a terrorist don't you? stupid title!
I know for people1 i am the most remote thing from a terrorist you can get and i have been in bitcoin for a long time now.
Bitcoin is about helping the people of the world not hurting them. It's has no boarders, religion, government, or organisation. Yes there are people who will use bitcoin for the wrong thing but we are people, there will always be people who will abuse.
Bitcoin will not be stopped now, the idea is out and governments who don't like it know it won't be stopped. the only way they can deal with it from here is regulate the exchanges and make them agents of the law.

Love me or hate for saying this but it is a good thing for bitcoin.  It will get the word using it and excepting it.

Nice question. We might as well make this thread entertaining :D

I select the real reality.

Let's assume for a second here a government let's say the US would want to stop bitcoin.

What makes you think Bitcoin doesn't die a horrible death as soon as the heads and mouths of bitcoin get invited to a free vacation in Guantanamo for supporting terrorists? Think Ver, Versennes, Andresen, Karpeles, etc. etc. You think Bitcoin keeps going on when the movers and shakers are removed? "But but others will take their place!" Yes, they will. On the waterboard.

Well, philosophically people have been search for this "real" reality for thousands of years. Haven't found it yet.  ;)

The U.S government can outlaw all they like, it doesn't mean they can enforce it, filesharing for instance has technically been illegal for years now yet it's still going strong, I suspect Bitcoin is going to be the same, all of this is just simply working in the favour of cryptocurrencies.

Hmm right... Anyways, that's irrelevant. It's still the one I want to consider.

got to say it,
I reject your reality and substitue my own :)

Oh GOD! I'm MELTING! I'M MEEEELTING!

Thanks for that. I see DuckDuckGo uses a script, according to NoScript. Do you happen to know what that's about?

Edit: I'm looking at lavabit now also. Looks promising. You wouldn't believe how many "secure email" places I've used over the years, with terrible results such as the mad scramble to reroute mail when they went out of business. This one is clearly different. Open source - nice. This item in their "philosophy" page gives me pause though:  "Lavabit adamantly protects the privacy of its users. Lavabit will only release private information if legally compelled by the courts in accordance with the United States Constitution." I don't see how they can avoid that, and it's obviously much better than the "share everything by default" approach, but it still means that if the US authorities get overzealous (hard to believe, I know), then there is no privacy after all. Is this as good as it gets today - total privacy unless "the authorities" want your data? Ironically, it is a good thing such a rule was not in place when the Federalist Papers were published anonymously in 1787-8 or there might be no US Constitution. But I digress.       :)

I don't mean to look a gift horse in the mouth, and thanks again for the names. I'm just trying to do the due diligence thing. 

About PRISM, just dont tell me you were not suspecting such activities..

Duck Duck Go is a very good search engine, using it and a VPN should be concidered a must !

Happy not to live in evil empire USA. All they care is establishing total control over whole world and total slavery for it's own citizens. I'm happy that USSR dissolved but there must be someone who effectively counters USA both military and ideologically. I call for Greater Iran to be that opposition who keeps balance. Russians are evil too, China even worse, India too divided to be called single nation.

As for Bitcoins the day we all become labeled terrorists does not be a different day to me. Don't care. Probably I'm already labeled suspicious for running Tor node.

US govt is just a lame joke now ... "... land of the free, home of the brave."

... complete with widespread surveillance, press intimidation, IRS bully-boys, militarised police forces, detention without charge,
suspension of
 - presumption of innocence
 - trial by jury
 - secret courts
 - due process
 - speedy trials.

Unenforced financial crimes by powerful, two systems of justice ... we all know how this ends just that no one wants "to go there" yet.

Wait I think I saw a terrorist sneaking up that alley, didn't you see him too? I mean really you fell for that old line? ;)

That goverment shouldn't even be taken serious.
Why not buy an island make it a country of bitcoin, and we all move there  ;D

Because USA will invade your bitcoin island to bring democracy, peace and anal syphilis.

Duck to the duck to the go my nizzle.  Been using it for years, no internet bubbles here baby!  Quack!

"You're all terrorists...."

your mom's a terrorist...



BOOM

If any1 needz me,
I will be facing Mecca, praising Allah... ;D

LOL great post.

I disagree with the quality of that post.  This "USA-centric" thinking is annoying.  The US is already a gulag state; pick any socio-economic measure that exists and the US won't be anywhere near the top of global rankings.  So what's so great about the USA again?  It's living off a legacy of past excellence while it unravels its past wisdom.  Not likely in the remotest, but yeah - they might water-board every bitcoin owner in the US and some outside, but really.  Believe me.  There is a world beyond Uncle Sam's borders which is getting bigger and better every day. 

Small and well publicised setbacks aside, the positive progress in the world gets no press time and is bigger than most suspect.  So don't believe your nightly news 'cause it's not representative of reality.  ;-)

A nation has the right to defend itself from both foreign and domestic enemies, if they are physical foes or ideological ones; But the point is mute when the world has already embraced
the BTC by allowing people to declare their earnings and to consider it money. The only terrorists I forse are those ideological ones that support a organizations enemies, North Korea vs South Korea, Western World Vs Iran, activists vs the establishment, environmentalists vs Big Business; Money can be very devisive when people are able to see how much support and backing ideas have that they do not support, especially when it can be catalogued on a giant public ledger, a global tally of world power.

Nah! Actually, the US Government only cares about collecting taxes on capital and short term gains, preventing money laundering and stopping drug and illegal arms financing. If you are going to run a legit business, the US Government doesn't care.

Just pay your taxes, and quit visiting SR to get goodies.