Title: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: legendster on June 07, 2013, 07:56:48 PM Loudmouth yes I am.
Absent from the forum for a while : YES I am. Outraged by the OBAMA administration's PRISM ? YES I AM ! My Comments : This just shuts me up. All I can officially say is that Obama is no longer my favorite american president anymore and the prophecy about a future where we loose our privacy has come true. The Prophecy on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IzryBRPwsog) lol and they say its a "Modest encroachment on privacy" .. well it doesnt really matter if you are a street whore or a high class NY whore, you are still a WHORE. Join the conversation here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228145.0 Or Express your views here in this thread. In case you have NO IDEA (if you are an alien like me) about what this PRISM thing really is here's a little excerpt for you. Quote PRISM is a top secret electronic surveillance program that has been run by the United States National Security Agency (NSA) since 2007.[1][2] "In confirming its existence, officials said that the program, called Prism, is authorized under a foreign intelligence law that was recently renewed by Congress."[2] Reports based on leaked documents describe the PRISM program as enabling in-depth surveillance on live communications and stored information.[3] It provides for the targeting of any customers of participating corporations who live outside the United States, or American citizens whose communications include people outside the USA.[3] Data that the NSA is able to obtain under PRISM allegedly includes email, video and voice chat, videos, photos, voice over IP conversations, file transfers, login notifications and social networking details.[3] The Washington Post noted that the leaked document indicated that the PRISM SIGAD is "the number one source of raw intelligence used for NSA analytic reports."[4] The President's Daily Brief, an intelligence product, cited PRISM data as a source in 1,477 items last year.[5] The leaked information came to light a day after the revelation that the U.S. government had secretly been requiring the telecommunications company Verizon to turn over to the NSA logs tracking all of its customers' telephone calls on an ongoing daily basis. I'll be honest I didnt knew about this before. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: Benson Samuel on June 08, 2013, 01:10:28 AM We have something called the CMS here. Disgusting stuff.
We also have 2 decryption centers in Bangalore and Coimbatore. Equipment well over 50 Cr in each center. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: subvolatil on June 08, 2013, 06:36:20 AM one word .
"asymmetrical encryption". Learn it , love it, live it and follow it like a religion. vpn i2p and never use cell phones . they read your mind too . lol hahaha :P Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: legendster on June 08, 2013, 11:45:33 AM This is just bullshit. Is there no way to 'avoid' this ?
Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: Benson Samuel on June 08, 2013, 02:06:41 PM This is just bullshit. Is there no way to 'avoid' this ? https://silentcircle.com/ Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: wolverine.ks on June 08, 2013, 02:16:17 PM is silent circle open source yet?
I prefer red phone, text secure, orbot, gibberbot, true crypt, Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: Benson Samuel on June 08, 2013, 02:20:19 PM is silent circle open source yet? I prefer red phone, text secure, orbot, gibberbot, true crypt, Yeah, loads of options. The one with the least barrier of entry for zero knowledge users seems to be silent circle though. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: Benson Samuel on June 08, 2013, 02:22:34 PM Kinda keen to do an article on all of this and ways to work around surveillance.
Any inputs would be awesome, else I will just pen my own thoughts. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: subvolatil on June 08, 2013, 03:49:22 PM well in that case look into strong box . a legacy Arron left us all.
Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: legendster on June 08, 2013, 04:28:06 PM Kinda keen to do an article on all of this and ways to work around surveillance. Any inputs would be awesome, else I will just pen my own thoughts. For me personally I avoid surveillance with TOR and some products of 'Net Tools' I would definitely look into this silent circle. Cant we all just build a new land on water ? or make our own Bioshock City ? after all 70% of earh is water :/ or just go and settle a new country in space somewhere ? i m serious with this question .. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: legendster on June 08, 2013, 04:31:01 PM Just checked em out, they (Ss) are basically an app download for smartphones, still uses WIFI/internet so that is still traceable.
Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: Benson Samuel on June 08, 2013, 04:31:52 PM Kinda keen to do an article on all of this and ways to work around surveillance. Any inputs would be awesome, else I will just pen my own thoughts. For me personally I avoid surveillance with TOR and some products of 'Net Tools' I would definitely look into this silent circle. Cant we all just build a new land on water ? or make our own Bioshock City ? after all 70% of earh is water :/ or just go and settle a new country in space somewhere ? i m serious with this question .. You have a right to start your own country, but you need an army to defend it as well. The ocean is unclaimed space, with enough of a landfill, you can declare it your own country. This was tried before, but a neighboring country conquered the space. Read up, its quite interesting on how to start your own country. Sealand was also started by not recognized by any nation. You can even declare yourself as a country, but if you are on someone else's land, they may override your declaration. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: wolverine.ks on June 08, 2013, 04:32:32 PM Cant we all just build a new land on water ? or make our own Bioshock City ? after all 70% of earh is water :/ or just go and settle a new country in space somewhere ? i m serious with this question .. what would stop people from doing the same thing on your island or space country? Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: legendster on June 08, 2013, 04:35:58 PM Cant we all just build a new land on water ? or make our own Bioshock City ? after all 70% of earh is water :/ or just go and settle a new country in space somewhere ? i m serious with this question .. what would stop people from doing the same thing on your island or space country? We the original citizens of the new world will drive them away.. and I m not talking about a new 'country' per se .... I m talking about absolute freedom.. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: Benson Samuel on June 08, 2013, 04:46:28 PM Cant we all just build a new land on water ? or make our own Bioshock City ? after all 70% of earh is water :/ or just go and settle a new country in space somewhere ? i m serious with this question .. what would stop people from doing the same thing on your island or space country? We the original citizens of the new world will drive them away.. and I m not talking about a new 'country' per se .... I m talking about absolute freedom.. We are approximately 150 - 200 years away from that :( Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: KSV on June 08, 2013, 09:08:34 PM i think every1 is outraged
Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: legendster on June 08, 2013, 10:23:24 PM i think every1 is outraged The question is, Is anyone doing anything to stop it ? Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: wolverine.ks on June 09, 2013, 01:40:23 AM unless there are immutable economic principles that support a completely free society you arent going to get one. of course, you could argue that we live in a completely free society now and people are completely free to act to limit your freedoms.
Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: legendster on June 09, 2013, 03:39:28 PM unless there are immutable economic principles that support a completely free society you arent going to get one. of course, you could argue that we live in a completely free society now and people are completely free to act to limit your freedoms. If I would argue that we live in a completely free society I wouldnt be so concerned about PRISM. I'd happily live in denial and talk about alien conspiracies. So you are trying to say is that a completely free society is economically 'UNSTABLE' ?? Like since when did that happen ? Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: wolverine.ks on June 09, 2013, 06:09:24 PM I'm saying we either already live in a completely free society or the laws of economics and the current state of technology prohibit a completely free society.
either way, more technology = a better world Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: subvolatil on June 10, 2013, 08:08:49 AM unless there are immutable economic principles that support a completely free society you arent going to get one. of course, you could argue that we live in a completely free society now and people are completely free to act to limit your freedoms. If I would argue that we live in a completely free society I wouldnt be so concerned about PRISM. I'd happily live in denial and talk about alien conspiracies. So you are trying to say is that a completely free society is economically 'UNSTABLE' ?? Like since when did that happen ? Why are you so concerned about PRISM . during the 80's echelon network network was already created with the cooperation of about 6 world nations to openly exchange intelligence and intercept digital data. i can assure you that most of your open communications have already gone past these networks, And any ways India has it's own systems that are extremely good at listening to every ones communications and internet traffic . do note that according to the DOT ruling all ISP needs to loge meta data of every customers and allow access to the government to these data. So all the thing that you have done online is seen and known by the government even your tor. Then we have china who with the help of their state controlled mega companies, do tap into the most of the corporate infrastructure. Freedom is lost, and privacy is now a thing of the past. till now vpn is a solution only if the vendors are trusted. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: Pinwheel on June 11, 2013, 09:40:24 PM till now vpn is a solution only if the vendors are trusted. As of society I like India, it is in perfect mess, corruption and anarchy. strong communities and weak government. quite cool. I dont think Indian PRISM will produce any valuable INTEL in 20 years, who cares. Such projects created not for been useful for security needs, but been useful for stealing budget money. As such it is totally useless waste. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: legendster on June 15, 2013, 09:10:54 PM till now vpn is a solution only if the vendors are trusted. As of society I like India, it is in perfect mess, corruption and anarchy. strong communities and weak government. quite cool. I dont think Indian PRISM will produce any valuable INTEL in 20 years, who cares. Such projects created not for been useful for security needs, but been useful for stealing budget money. As such it is totally useless waste. Doesnt matter if it produces any intel or not, they are STILL seeing and hearing everything we do .. how is this NOT a big encroachment into privacy ? WHY is it being accepted ? Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: Benson Samuel on June 16, 2013, 03:00:07 AM Quote Doesnt matter if it produces any intel or not, they are STILL seeing and hearing everything we do .. how is this NOT a big encroachment into privacy ? WHY is it being accepted ? No one is given a choice. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: wolverine.ks on June 16, 2013, 03:41:57 AM the alternatives for many people are less economical than just letting it happen.
sure there are ways to change the law but they are deliberately difficult. there are ways to get around it, they are deliberately difficult. there are ways to prevent it they are deliberately difficult. if you want out, study economics and find a way to change yourself and your environment so that it is not economical to fight you. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: Benson Samuel on June 16, 2013, 04:01:40 AM if you want out, study economics and find a way to change yourself and your environment so that it is not economical to fight you. Agreed. People are comfortable with the times, they are hard to change. Some quips from my discussions with people: Quote I do not care if they read my FB, Twitter, E-mail, etc... It will not stop me from posting what I want. About the Indian version of PRISM; CMS.This guy probably did not have a wallet.dat on his computer. People do not understand the depth of privacy invasion. They fail to realize that allowing governments to go this far only allows them proof that they can go even further. Mandatory chipping may be closer than we think, even in India. About Taxes: Quote I like paying taxes and what the government is doing. Look at how well they are developing the roads and the city. How do you explain to these people that there is hardly any involvement from the government in these matters. Apart from dispute resolution and scam chasing. The private free markets own the infrastructure of our country. About Free markets: Quote You can get anything you want in India. Really! And at what cost? Even setting up a small business is a nightmare sometimes. Learning is the key! Until people start with the basics and allows everyone in India to a portal of education, people will continue to believe that they are free. With tools like google voice search, education can only get better. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: skysnap on June 16, 2013, 12:57:32 PM Dominos, pizza hut and few other food chains are already collecting food preference as per mobile number and address. So this sort of stuff though looks good but is annoying. e.g. if you buy X product like hair dryer from flipkart, then they will send you monthly emails about hair dryers and other products in same category. I don't understand why this sort of tracking has to be dumbed down. I mean just because i purchased one prodcut this week doesn't mean you should send me same product news every week.
Such data in the hands of government and the corporate companies is quite dangerous. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: subvolatil on June 16, 2013, 02:34:36 PM Funny in the open market you can buy any type of data you need on people here in india, in fact good data provides can give you names, DOB, pan card numbers address, financial details, insurance details, incom tax records, and purchase history. nothing new with what businesses do . in facet this is a good lie of business with high profit margins.
Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: Benson Samuel on June 16, 2013, 05:25:53 PM Funny in the open market you can buy any type of data you need on people here in india, in fact good data provides can give you names, DOB, pan card numbers address, financial details, insurance details, incom tax records, and purchase history. nothing new with what businesses do . in facet this is a good lie of business with high profit margins. You can subscribe your business to a service on the PAN website which allows you to verify PAN card numbers and other customer data. I got a firsthand look at the system at a ShareKhan franchise that I was consulting for. They leave systems open and unlocked all the time and some have easy entry access from the road to their systems. And now they are getting biometric data as well for Aadhar. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: subvolatil on June 16, 2013, 08:55:28 PM Funny in the open market you can buy any type of data you need on people here in india, in fact good data provides can give you names, DOB, pan card numbers address, financial details, insurance details, incom tax records, and purchase history. nothing new with what businesses do . in facet this is a good lie of business with high profit margins. You can subscribe your business to a service on the PAN website which allows you to verify PAN card numbers and other customer data. I got a firsthand look at the system at a ShareKhan franchise that I was consulting for. They leave systems open and unlocked all the time and some have easy entry access from the road to their systems. And now they are getting biometric data as well for Aadhar. Dam i am already in that Aadhar system. i just did not want to get that thing made. but had to in the end :-( Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: Benson Samuel on June 16, 2013, 08:56:51 PM Dam i am already in that Aadhar system. i just did not want to get that thing made. but had to in the end :-( http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-05-31/india/39654692_1_aadhaar-card-uidai-empty-chair Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: subvolatil on June 16, 2013, 09:08:36 PM Hahaha lol cant stop laughing.
there was also an instance in one of the centers i went to, with my friend she was wearing a tank top and would not let her take her picture without a suit on, kept saying that every one has to be in traditional. had my done without any hiccup. but she had to go back to her place and change, took up our entire day for a simple picture. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: buysellbitcoin on June 17, 2013, 05:41:17 AM Dam i am already in that Aadhar system. i just did not want to get that thing made. but had to in the end :-( http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-05-31/india/39654692_1_aadhaar-card-uidai-empty-chair come on dogs, trees.. rofl :) I agree no system is full proof, but it has to be at least system... This is unacceptable and on top of that tjhe excuse given is just, well, unacceptable :( Cheers Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: subvolatil on June 17, 2013, 05:02:39 PM Some more to read about PRISM and the man behind it http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: RodeoX on June 17, 2013, 05:09:22 PM Outraged by the OBAMA administration's PRISM ? YES I AM ! You mean George Bush, right? Because PRIZM was started by George Bush, not Obama.Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: legendster on June 18, 2013, 11:56:57 AM Outraged by the OBAMA administration's PRISM ? YES I AM ! You mean George Bush, right? Because PRIZM was started by George Bush, not Obama.OBAMA reinstated it. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: RodeoX on June 18, 2013, 12:53:11 PM Outraged by the OBAMA administration's PRISM ? YES I AM ! You mean George Bush, right? Because PRIZM was started by George Bush, not Obama.OBAMA reinstated it. Title: Re: PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy Post by: subvolatil on June 25, 2013, 12:42:31 AM Here you go some tools you guys may want to use from now. http://prism-break.org/ |