PRISM - The Indian Perspective on American NSA's new policy

[subvolatil]

unless there are immutable economic principles that support a completely free society you arent going to get one. of course, you could argue that we live in a completely free society now and people are completely free to act to limit your freedoms.

If I would argue that we live in a completely free society I wouldnt be so concerned about PRISM. I'd happily live in denial and talk about alien conspiracies.

So you are trying to say is that a completely free society is economically 'UNSTABLE' ?? Like since when did that happen ?

Why  are  you so  concerned  about PRISM . 

during the 80's  echelon network network  was  already created  with the cooperation of about 6  world  nations  to openly exchange  intelligence and  intercept  digital  data.  i can  assure  you that  most of  your  open communications  have  already  gone  past these  networks, And  any ways  India  has  it's  own  systems  that  are extremely good  at  listening  to every ones  communications  and  internet  traffic . do note  that according  to the DOT  ruling  all ISP needs to  loge  meta  data  of  every   customers  and  allow  access to the government to these data.  So all the  thing  that you have  done online is seen  and  known  by the  government  even your tor.

Then  we  have  china who  with the  help of their  state  controlled  mega  companies, do  tap into  the most of the  corporate  infrastructure.

Freedom is lost, and privacy is now  a thing  of the  past. 

till now  vpn is a  solution  only if the  vendors  are  trusted.

 

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[Pinwheel]

till now  vpn is a  solution  only if the  vendors  are  trusted.

I cant say much about the rest of discussion but VPN will give you no protection.  About 10 years ago VPN was decrypted from 10 days old dumps now it is on the fly decryption in real time.

As of society I like India, it is in perfect mess, corruption and anarchy. strong communities and weak government. quite cool.

I dont think Indian PRISM will produce any valuable INTEL in 20 years, who cares. Such projects created not for been useful for security needs, but been useful for stealing budget money. As such it is totally useless waste.

[legendster]

till now  vpn is a  solution  only if the  vendors  are  trusted.

I cant say much about the rest of discussion but VPN will give you no protection.  About 10 years ago VPN was decrypted from 10 days old dumps now it is on the fly decryption in real time.

As of society I like India, it is in perfect mess, corruption and anarchy. strong communities and weak government. quite cool.

I dont think Indian PRISM will produce any valuable INTEL in 20 years, who cares. Such projects created not for been useful for security needs, but been useful for stealing budget money. As such it is totally useless waste.

Doesnt matter if it produces any intel or not, they are STILL seeing and hearing everything we do .. how is this NOT a big encroachment into privacy ? WHY is it being accepted ?

[Benson Samuel]

Doesnt matter if it produces any intel or not, they are STILL seeing and hearing everything we do .. how is this NOT a big encroachment into privacy ? WHY is it being accepted ?

No one is given a choice.

[wolverine.ks]

the alternatives for many people are less economical than just letting it happen.

sure there are ways to change the law but they are deliberately difficult.

there are ways to get around it, they are deliberately difficult.

there are ways to prevent it they are deliberately difficult.

if you want out, study economics and find a way to change yourself and your environment so that it is not economical to fight you.

[Benson Samuel]

if you want out, study economics and find a way to change yourself and your environment so that it is not economical to fight you.

Agreed. People are comfortable with the times, they are hard to change.

Some quips from my discussions with people:

I do not care if they read my FB, Twitter, E-mail, etc... It will not stop me from posting what I want.

About the Indian version of PRISM; CMS.

This guy probably did not have a wallet.dat on his computer. People do not understand the depth of privacy invasion. They fail to realize that allowing governments to go this far only allows them proof that they can go even further. Mandatory chipping may be closer than we think, even in India.

About Taxes:

I like paying taxes and what the government is doing. Look at how well they are developing the roads and the city.

How do you explain to these people that there is hardly any involvement from the government in these matters. Apart from dispute resolution and scam chasing. The private free markets own the infrastructure of our country.

About Free markets:

You can get anything you want in India.

Really! And at what cost? Even setting up a small business is a nightmare sometimes.

Learning is the key! Until people start with the basics and allows everyone in India to a portal of education, people will continue to believe that they are free.
With tools like google voice search, education can only get better.

[skysnap]

Dominos, pizza hut and few other food chains are already collecting food preference as per mobile number and address. So this sort of stuff though looks good but is annoying. e.g. if you buy X product like hair dryer from flipkart, then they will send you monthly emails about hair dryers and other products in same category. I don't understand why this sort of tracking has to be dumbed down. I mean just because i purchased one prodcut this week doesn't mean you should send me same product news every week.

Such data in the hands of government and the corporate companies is quite dangerous.

[subvolatil]

Funny  in the open market  you can  buy  any type of  data you need on people here in india,  in fact   good  data  provides  can  give  you   names,  DOB, pan  card numbers  address, financial  details, insurance  details,  incom tax  records, and  purchase  history.  nothing  new   with  what  businesses do . in facet this is a  good  lie of  business with high  profit  margins. 

[Benson Samuel]

Funny  in the open market  you can  buy  any type of  data you need on people here in india,  in fact   good  data  provides  can  give  you   names,  DOB, pan  card numbers  address, financial  details, insurance  details,  incom tax  records, and  purchase  history.  nothing  new   with  what  businesses do . in facet this is a  good  lie of  business with high  profit  margins. 

You can subscribe your business to a service on the PAN website which allows you to verify PAN card numbers and other customer data. I got a firsthand look at the system at a ShareKhan franchise that I was consulting for. They leave systems open and unlocked all the time and some have easy entry access from the road to their systems.

And now they are getting biometric data as well for Aadhar.

[subvolatil]

Funny  in the open market  you can  buy  any type of  data you need on people here in india,  in fact   good  data  provides  can  give  you   names,  DOB, pan  card numbers  address, financial  details, insurance  details,  incom tax  records, and  purchase  history.  nothing  new   with  what  businesses do . in facet this is a  good  lie of  business with high  profit  margins. 

You can subscribe your business to a service on the PAN website which allows you to verify PAN card numbers and other customer data. I got a firsthand look at the system at a ShareKhan franchise that I was consulting for. They leave systems open and unlocked all the time and some have easy entry access from the road to their systems.

And now they are getting biometric data as well for Aadhar.

Dam i am already in that Aadhar  system.  i just  did not  want to  get  that  thing  made.  but had to in the  end :-(

[Benson Samuel]

Dam i am already in that Aadhar  system.  i just  did not  want to  get  that  thing  made.  but had to in the  end :-(

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-05-31/india/39654692_1_aadhaar-card-uidai-empty-chair

[subvolatil]

Hahaha  lol  cant  stop  laughing. 


there  was also an instance  in  one  of the  centers i  went  to, with  my  friend  she  was  wearing a  tank top and would  not   let  her  take  her picture  without  a suit on, kept  saying  that  every one  has to be in traditional. had my  done  without  any hiccup. but she had to  go  back  to her place and  change, took up  our  entire  day for a  simple  picture. 

[buysellbitcoin]

Dam i am already in that Aadhar  system.  i just  did not  want to  get  that  thing  made.  but had to in the  end :-(

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-05-31/india/39654692_1_aadhaar-card-uidai-empty-chair

come on dogs, trees.. rofl

I agree no system is full proof, but it has to be at least system... This is unacceptable and on top of that tjhe excuse given is just, well, unacceptable

Cheers

[subvolatil]

Some  more  to  read  about  PRISM and  the  man  behind it 

http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower

[RodeoX]

Outraged by the OBAMA administration's PRISM ? YES I AM !

You mean George Bush, right? Because PRIZM was started by George Bush, not Obama.

[legendster]

Outraged by the OBAMA administration's PRISM ? YES I AM !

You mean George Bush, right? Because PRIZM was started by George Bush, not Obama.

OBAMA reinstated it.

[RodeoX]

Outraged by the OBAMA administration's PRISM ? YES I AM !

You mean George Bush, right? Because PRIZM was started by George Bush, not Obama.

OBAMA reinstated it.

That is a fair criticism. But just too be clear, this was started as part of George Bush's illegal war on terror. Not surprisingly it's victims turnout to be the American people.   

[subvolatil]

Here you  go  some tools  you  guys may want to  use from now.

http://prism-break.org/