subvolatil
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June 10, 2013, 08:08:49 AM |
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unless there are immutable economic principles that support a completely free society you arent going to get one. of course, you could argue that we live in a completely free society now and people are completely free to act to limit your freedoms.
If I would argue that we live in a completely free society I wouldnt be so concerned about PRISM. I'd happily live in denial and talk about alien conspiracies. So you are trying to say is that a completely free society is economically 'UNSTABLE' ?? Like since when did that happen ? Why are you so concerned about PRISM . during the 80's echelon network network was already created with the cooperation of about 6 world nations to openly exchange intelligence and intercept digital data. i can assure you that most of your open communications have already gone past these networks, And any ways India has it's own systems that are extremely good at listening to every ones communications and internet traffic . do note that according to the DOT ruling all ISP needs to loge meta data of every customers and allow access to the government to these data. So all the thing that you have done online is seen and known by the government even your tor. Then we have china who with the help of their state controlled mega companies, do tap into the most of the corporate infrastructure. Freedom is lost, and privacy is now a thing of the past. till now vpn is a solution only if the vendors are trusted.
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June 11, 2013, 09:40:24 PM |
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till now vpn is a solution only if the vendors are trusted.
I cant say much about the rest of discussion but VPN will give you no protection. About 10 years ago VPN was decrypted from 10 days old dumps now it is on the fly decryption in real time. As of society I like India, it is in perfect mess, corruption and anarchy. strong communities and weak government. quite cool. I dont think Indian PRISM will produce any valuable INTEL in 20 years, who cares. Such projects created not for been useful for security needs, but been useful for stealing budget money. As such it is totally useless waste.
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legendster (OP)
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June 15, 2013, 09:10:54 PM |
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till now vpn is a solution only if the vendors are trusted.
I cant say much about the rest of discussion but VPN will give you no protection. About 10 years ago VPN was decrypted from 10 days old dumps now it is on the fly decryption in real time. As of society I like India, it is in perfect mess, corruption and anarchy. strong communities and weak government. quite cool. I dont think Indian PRISM will produce any valuable INTEL in 20 years, who cares. Such projects created not for been useful for security needs, but been useful for stealing budget money. As such it is totally useless waste. Doesnt matter if it produces any intel or not, they are STILL seeing and hearing everything we do .. how is this NOT a big encroachment into privacy ? WHY is it being accepted ?
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June 16, 2013, 03:00:07 AM |
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Doesnt matter if it produces any intel or not, they are STILL seeing and hearing everything we do .. how is this NOT a big encroachment into privacy ? WHY is it being accepted ? No one is given a choice.
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wolverine.ks
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June 16, 2013, 03:41:57 AM |
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the alternatives for many people are less economical than just letting it happen.
sure there are ways to change the law but they are deliberately difficult.
there are ways to get around it, they are deliberately difficult.
there are ways to prevent it they are deliberately difficult.
if you want out, study economics and find a way to change yourself and your environment so that it is not economical to fight you.
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June 16, 2013, 04:01:40 AM |
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if you want out, study economics and find a way to change yourself and your environment so that it is not economical to fight you.
Agreed. People are comfortable with the times, they are hard to change. Some quips from my discussions with people: I do not care if they read my FB, Twitter, E-mail, etc... It will not stop me from posting what I want. About the Indian version of PRISM; CMS. This guy probably did not have a wallet.dat on his computer. People do not understand the depth of privacy invasion. They fail to realize that allowing governments to go this far only allows them proof that they can go even further. Mandatory chipping may be closer than we think, even in India. About Taxes: I like paying taxes and what the government is doing. Look at how well they are developing the roads and the city. How do you explain to these people that there is hardly any involvement from the government in these matters. Apart from dispute resolution and scam chasing. The private free markets own the infrastructure of our country. About Free markets: You can get anything you want in India. Really! And at what cost? Even setting up a small business is a nightmare sometimes. Learning is the key! Until people start with the basics and allows everyone in India to a portal of education, people will continue to believe that they are free. With tools like google voice search, education can only get better.
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June 16, 2013, 12:57:32 PM |
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Dominos, pizza hut and few other food chains are already collecting food preference as per mobile number and address. So this sort of stuff though looks good but is annoying. e.g. if you buy X product like hair dryer from flipkart, then they will send you monthly emails about hair dryers and other products in same category. I don't understand why this sort of tracking has to be dumbed down. I mean just because i purchased one prodcut this week doesn't mean you should send me same product news every week.
Such data in the hands of government and the corporate companies is quite dangerous.
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subvolatil
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June 16, 2013, 02:34:36 PM |
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Funny in the open market you can buy any type of data you need on people here in india, in fact good data provides can give you names, DOB, pan card numbers address, financial details, insurance details, incom tax records, and purchase history. nothing new with what businesses do . in facet this is a good lie of business with high profit margins.
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June 16, 2013, 05:25:53 PM |
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Funny in the open market you can buy any type of data you need on people here in india, in fact good data provides can give you names, DOB, pan card numbers address, financial details, insurance details, incom tax records, and purchase history. nothing new with what businesses do . in facet this is a good lie of business with high profit margins.
You can subscribe your business to a service on the PAN website which allows you to verify PAN card numbers and other customer data. I got a firsthand look at the system at a ShareKhan franchise that I was consulting for. They leave systems open and unlocked all the time and some have easy entry access from the road to their systems. And now they are getting biometric data as well for Aadhar.
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subvolatil
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June 16, 2013, 08:55:28 PM |
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Funny in the open market you can buy any type of data you need on people here in india, in fact good data provides can give you names, DOB, pan card numbers address, financial details, insurance details, incom tax records, and purchase history. nothing new with what businesses do . in facet this is a good lie of business with high profit margins.
You can subscribe your business to a service on the PAN website which allows you to verify PAN card numbers and other customer data. I got a firsthand look at the system at a ShareKhan franchise that I was consulting for. They leave systems open and unlocked all the time and some have easy entry access from the road to their systems. And now they are getting biometric data as well for Aadhar. Dam i am already in that Aadhar system. i just did not want to get that thing made. but had to in the end :-(
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subvolatil
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June 16, 2013, 09:08:36 PM |
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Hahaha lol cant stop laughing.
there was also an instance in one of the centers i went to, with my friend she was wearing a tank top and would not let her take her picture without a suit on, kept saying that every one has to be in traditional. had my done without any hiccup. but she had to go back to her place and change, took up our entire day for a simple picture.
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June 17, 2013, 05:41:17 AM |
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come on dogs, trees.. rofl I agree no system is full proof, but it has to be at least system... This is unacceptable and on top of that tjhe excuse given is just, well, unacceptable Cheers
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June 17, 2013, 05:09:22 PM |
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Outraged by the OBAMA administration's PRISM ? YES I AM !
You mean George Bush, right? Because PRIZM was started by George Bush, not Obama.
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legendster (OP)
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June 18, 2013, 11:56:57 AM |
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Outraged by the OBAMA administration's PRISM ? YES I AM !
You mean George Bush, right? Because PRIZM was started by George Bush, not Obama. OBAMA reinstated it.
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June 18, 2013, 12:53:11 PM |
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Outraged by the OBAMA administration's PRISM ? YES I AM !
You mean George Bush, right? Because PRIZM was started by George Bush, not Obama. OBAMA reinstated it. That is a fair criticism. But just too be clear, this was started as part of George Bush's illegal war on terror. Not surprisingly it's victims turnout to be the American people.
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