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bitcoin = BTC
Bitcoin Cash = BCH

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, YA DINGUS!

Bitcoin is bitcoin while Bitcoin Cash is simply another altcoin that is trying to cash in on the good name of bitcoin.

Let's stop trying to pretend they're the same thing. Its an absolute travesty that whoever runs bitcoin.com would publish an article stupid enough trying to say they are the same thing, when they most clearly ARE NOT.

Here's a couple other reasons:

Was Bitcoin Cash founded by Satoshi Nakamoto? NO.
Do _any_ merchants that you can think of off the top of your head actually accept BCH? NO.
Will merchants be more likely to accept BCH in the future, now that they've just barely wrapped their heads around the concept of bitcoin and begun to integrate payment acceptance mechanisms for it? NO!

This is by far the biggest and most sinister pump job of an altcoin I've ever seen. If you're gonna make your own coin, at least come up with your own damn name! BCH reeks of unoriginality and is greed at its worst. This kind of behavior is what turns off the general public from wanting to get involved in crypto in the first place.

Critics what say ye? I'm all ears.

I have not seen anywhere that an offshoot of either a person, figure, thing or commodity outshine the original which is why there cannot be two bitcoin and since bitcoin is still in existence, we cannot have another one taking its place. There cannot be two ETHs and ETC cannot be outshine ETH is the same way BCH cannot replace BTC no matter the amount of forks that happened from it.

However, I see it being with us for a long term because they will continue to operate in the shadow of the original which means as the original gets more popular, they get a portion of it which keeps them within reach. Aside that, nothing else can come out of it.

Absolutely right! BCH will never be BTC, and I'm glad! From day of its creation BCH has always been superior. faster transaction at a fraction of the price is just the beginning. Do you honestly think the future of crypto is going to a coffee shop and waiting 30 min and paying 8 $ in fees to  buy a coffee? BCH is better in every way, the only thing they lack is the brand. In time people will stop being stubborn and realize a quality coin is more important then what its called.  The only reason it angers you so much is cause they are superior in every way and you are fearful that you are backing the wrong horse.

The cults of BCH have been here in the forum lurking around and simply posting about Bitcoin Cash that it was the real bitcoin and not the bitcoin founded by satoshi, what a bunch of dorks. ::)

Look at that BCH graph!!! So much better than anything we've ever seen!  ;D

https://i.imgur.com/2G2dz9I.jpg

 :D

It always is odd to me the number of newbie posters that come out of nowhere to support BCH. It is as if they got an account just simply to support it.

Obviously bch can never replace btc , it isn't useless i mean see the value of it $300 , you could get $300 simply by holding 1 btc what's wrong with that who in real world will give you $300 for free. The price eventually fall slowly slowly but it is has a good value

It might be for you but most articles posted are actually helpful for the people who don't know much about btc.


All are a freaking no but do you think eth , xmr or any other alt have a wider acceptance rate among merchants no because alt are mostly used for trading stop saying if a coin isn't accepted by a merchants that means it is useless.

Bitcoin cash is 99% for marketing and 1% tech. Almost all of the project's perpetrators are business people not techies nor coders. From that observation, it should be clear that this is made to take people's money.

The coin itself is better in every way, as I said they simply lack the brand. To many stubborn people out there for BCH to have its real value shown. all anyone can ever say is "its not worth as much" or "lower market cap" but as a sustainable crypto that follows the true values of the founder of bitcoin BCH is better in every way.

It is important to note that BCH was not created by some Joe Shmo who wanted to build a crypto. Its called a fork for a reason, and was started by some of the same influential people in the bitcoin community for years. They saw how disastrous the future of bitcoin was becoming and decided to fix it. To many people are to lazy to actually do the homework of the differences of the coin to make an informed decision and the brand is more well known so they stick with BTC but as a coin itself it is better in every possible way.

BCH became a simply altcoin after the fork. It's kinda funny people actually thought that BCH would replace bitcoin, and I hate the fact that Developers of Bitcoin took months to build the whole project of Bitcoin and worked hard to bring this new concept of payment method and some clowns think can come and build a new coin from the original code and blockchain. Why don't they do the same thing ICOS do? Bring your new idea and project, work hard, raise money and we'll see what you can do.

It's simple as it is bcc can be possible outright the btc in some way but the of it is the bcc can't never be convert to bitcoin cause bcc is out of the bely of btc correct me if I'm wrong

It is a common knowledge even before that we got BitcoinCash (BCH) into the scene: There will always be Bitcoin and it is no other than Bitcoin; all the rest are just called as altcoins even including Ethereum which many considered to be the top heir to the throne in case something can really go wrong with Bitcoin.

Anybody can call daisy a rose but everybody knows what can be the truth. No pronouncement from anybody could ever alter that reality...the same thing here with Bitcoin and all the altcoins that can come because of the hard fork. In fact, we have new coins all because the Bitcoin decision makers could not unite themselves on what to do and they let their business interest took the reign of their deciding power rather than what can be the best interest for the whole Bitcoin community.

Anyway, since am gonna receive my BitcoinGold too (later to be sold and converted to the real Bitcoin) then am not that complaining that much...in fact am smiling also just like you.

Its well known fact that bitcoin cash can never be bitcoin because both have different block chain. Bitcoin cash is just another altcoin like many others out there. The only advantage what I see is it has got low transaction fees. So may be in future, merchants may accept bitcoincash as a  form of payment because of this low transaction fees as we all know we cant use bitcoin for purchasing 10 dollar or 15 dollar items because of its high transaction fees.

People thought BCH would replace Bitcoin because it is in fact better in every way. what people failed to see is how important brand is and its the only thing BTC has going for it. I also refer you to my last statement and suggest you do some homework. Bitcoin cash was created by those very same developers who built BTC, this isn't some random person trying to make money off of bitcoin's name. This is leading edge developers who worked for years WITH BTC seeing a vital flaw in its system and fixing it through a fork. Its more like 2 partners developing a business together decide on very different goals splitting up on 2 different paths. I thought this would actual be an informative debate with actual facts, not just mindless insults with no actual knowledge.

you are being too emotional in my opinion :D
bitcoin cash is not bitcoin simply because the majority did NOT want it to be bitcoin. if majority wanted it to be bitcoin it would have been bitcoin.

that is how bitcoin works and must always work. based on consensus of the majority. this is all the miners and users and businesses. generally anyone involved!

saying it was "not founded by Satoshi Nakamoto" is a silly reason in my opinion. the bitcoin we are using today is not what was created in 2009. it has evolved ever since. always based on the same consensus i talked about.

It is like comparing the father with Son. A father will always remain the father for his child no matter what.  Same goes with bitcoin as all the other are there today because of bitcoin. Yes if there is something new comes up which has never being before in this world than its a different story else nothing can overtake by bitcoin for few years atleast.

it is a pump and dump altcoin, what else did you expect out of it except a lot of advertisement to get it to pump up. and they are not all newbie accounts there are others too. everyone wants to earn more profit, more money to put in bitcoin.

and the chart is not like that, and it will never go to zero. it has bitmain and Roger Ver pouring money into it and pumping it in order to keep it alive.

Bitcoin was the very first decentralised crypto currency to reach such a height. And few months back it was split into BCH. So definitely people are Interested in BCH but not as much as they are in BTC.

How "NEW" I am or anyone else for the matter does not make any facts that I have stated any less true,and I obviously am WAY more informed then someone so esteemed as yourself. I would also like to point out it is the op who felt the need to start a post to use completely illogical arguments to discredit BCH. This pump up conspiracy theory is just  an argument being used because other then brand, BCH is better in every single way. I have yet to see any logical point to contest this.

 Bitcoin but has some very noticeable differences like thats  but never be a bitcoin
The blocksize is 8 MB.
It won’t have segwit.
It won’t have the “replace by fee” feature.
It will have replay and wipeout protection.
It offers a way to adjust the proof-of-work difficulty quicker than the normal 2016 block difficulty adjustment interval found in Bitcoin.

you are correct about you being "NEW" doesn't change anything. but lets check these "facts" you speak of and see how "informed you really are.

bitcoin and bitcoin cash both have the same block times and follow same rules except the block size and having SegWit. nothing else.
this means transactions have same "speed" so to speak.

fees are only low because of two things:
price is low + nobody is using BCH

as for comparing it with bitcoin, bitcoin fees went up only to protect it against spam attack. if bitcoin cash stops creating 95-99% empty (100-500 kB) blocks and starts creating 95%+ full blocks, it WILL be under spam attack the same way bitcoin is and by then fees of BCH will also rise and that is when many of BCH nodes will fail because not only they have to verify 8 MB of data each time a new block is mined but also they have to hold a huge backlog of transactions which they also have to verify and hold in their memory.
the first thing will be running out of RAM, second will be excessive use of CPU power and finally is the excessive use of network. all of which is 8 times more that what bitcoin is using.

Satoshi never created bitcoin to be used for paying for coffee. and it never takes more than 10 minutes nor more than 10 cents to send a bitcoin transaction. apart from during the spam attack, something that BCH is also susceptible to.

ohh please stop praising bitcoin cash we all know that it is failing just look your blockchain and compare it to bitcoin and also , the transaction fee isn't 8 dollars or more it is way lower now and it's just bitcoin is under spam attack that's the fees skyrocketed and that's not an issue anymore. if you want to compare bitcoin and bitcoin cash just look the reply above me. ::)

Well, op got a point there.
It is two different things. I mean, It is their right if those people love bitcoin cash that much.
The price was only good in the beginning. Well, I admit it has a very good value now.
But it keeps decreasing from time to time.

i see  you're very like Bitcoin Cash but my opinion BCC only is a altcoin like a lot of other altcoin and i'm sure BCC will never be bitcoin
This is bitcoin cash Charts:
https://imgur.com/a/wK6wv

The price of bitcoin cash will soon reach $200/BCC

Do you honestly think the future of crypto is going to a coffee shop and waiting 30 min and paying 8 $ in fees to  buy a coffee?
So you ever paying a coffee by ingoing. I think i have easy method to pay a coffee without bitcoin that should use to purpose more necessary than

8 MB (with scale function) allows more transactions to be done at once. In a world where transactions can get back logged for days, increasing how many transactions that can be done at once is an increase to speed. In a world where no chain needs to be higher then 2 MB your right, they are not any faster but this is hardly the case.

You do bring up a point I am not really all that knowledgeable on and that is the spam attacks. however in a scaling environment the amount of attacks required is significantly more? as well as if a fee IS needed to be introduced with the ability to process 4* the transactions would mean the fee required would be  significantly less.

Though I don't understand the exact technical issues of memory and ram BCH has already mined 8MB blocks on several occasions with little issues? I assume 8 transactions of 1 MB takes up the same memory/ram as 1 of 8MB?

To your last point, they must be under a spam attack 99 % of the time then. I mine and trade both currency's any time I do any kind of transaction with BTC my fee is anywhere from 3 - 8 $ and the transaction takes 3- 18 h.  longest wait ive ever had with BCH is 30 min and fees are never more then 20 cents. if you are using some other kind of method to get around this hey i welcome the info!

I do appreciate an actual point of view backed by some thought instead of mindless insults.

umm? I think your trying to make the argument that BTC was never intended to be used to buy a coffee? on this I disagree (along with many others) original vision for the currency was a "decentralized peer-peer cash system" in other words. A low fee currency that was meant to be used as cash without government breathing down your neck. "cash system" not investment portfolio system it has become.

BCH is just another altcoin

You realize that it would be trivial for Bitcoin core to move to 8 MB (or some other larger blocksize) when the time is appropriate, don't you? If it looked like users might abandon 1MB blocks I'm sure it would not take long for core to decide to move to bigger blocks.

So, who here has actually used BCH to _buy_ something? Anybody? Anyone? Ever?

I can't believe people never stop to realize this may be a problem... No merchant adoption = no actual future.

I really think OP is just a newbie when it comes to Altcoins you can sure see it in his questions he thinks that bitcoin cash is just another Altcoin  that comes from other developer, or just pop out out from nowhere to get the bitcoin name, but yes bitcoin cash is just another Altcoin that have tried to conquer the world of Cryptocurrency,

and For OP Bitcoin Cash is produce from the August Hard Fork of bitcoin back then bitcoin had split then we have Bitcoin Cash right now that is why it has the same name as bitcoin and In my opinion the developer of BCH thinks they will get the upper hand towards bitcoin but they don't, and in the coming October 25 another Hard Fork will occur that will produce another Crypto that is Bitcoin Gold or BTG.

Indeed Bitcoin Cash is an altcoin and there isn't any comparison of bitcoin with it. One more thing i would like to add is users trust, bitcoin is still the real boss and much reliable than any other coin, that's why users rely on it and they don't want to put their investment on high risk.
It doesn't matter who founded it but the thing is bitcoin is pioneer and was the first ever cyptocurrency having strongest and biggest community.

Well, there are several merchants/services that accept BCH, like Overstock and SimpleFX. Presumably Bodog (or whatever it rebranded to) given that Calvin Ayre is piling in with Roger Ver and Craig Wright? But I think most of them are just using payment processors, anyway. Overstock is just converting the BCH to Bitcoin after purchases are made.

With the popularization of Shapeshift, Changelly, Coinpayments and others, I think we'll actually see more integration of altcoin payments for e-commerce. That includes BCH, if only because it's a top coin by market cap. It trades on major exchanges and Bitpay is supporting it; that's reason enough for merchants to support it, regardless of the fundamentals.

Bitcoin cash is an altcoin - lets just accept that and move on. It will never reach the level of what ethereum or litecoin nor will it ever be the second to bitcoin. It is just a pump and dump scheme which got a lot of traction because it was forked from the original bitcoin blockchain. People can buy it but it wont rise anytime soon. And besides it has not official support of people and wont last long. Soon it will reach the lowest values possible and get delisted from exchanges.

Litecoin hasn't really been all that successful either. Ethereum is gaining some traction but who knows whether it will be around in a few years time. I think the same for bitcoin cash/gold they are going to hyped and the first initial days they will go up to double figure sums but after that I believe it will completely die. Like you said it's a pump and dump scheme where some will benefit from and others won't.

Haha! Bitcoin Cash is now worth $320 and it continues to drop! I recommend anyone who didn't cashed out Bitcoin Cash cash out it as soon as possible. You have only possibilities with normal, one and only true Bitcoin, 2009 Bitcoin. So cashout it now and be like her. You'll stay poor when you don't cashout it. I'm saying seriously.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSpPz6Kr8m8k-c2dp3UZWjDo6glmxPiyp7YffioAP5SsXqfx4PX

In my opinion, bitcoin itself is still a speculative currency. Only if more sellers, both online and offline, start accepting bitcoin (or any cryptocurrency), then only it will have some value. Otherwise, it is more likely that people tend to use printed currency.

First off there is many exchanges that take BCH, also in the beginning of October bitmain themselves actually had a shipment of machines that they where selling for BCH only and where offering an exchange of $425. Price of BCH is also dropping at the moment because of this craze for free bitcoin gold, once everyone gets their free gold you will notice the currency jump in value. Its like one person said on here "You dont get rich for being right, you get rich when everyone else is wrong". I am glad so many fail to see the value in BCH.

maybe the bitcoin.com site owner is a BCH fans
I have read Bitcoin.com article and I think the article only explains BCH technically and the author gives an opinion that BCH is better
only the ignorant is affected by it. why should choose BCH? for me BCH is not worth to be compared with Bitcoin and even BCH is no better than others altcoin
some altcoin have done that before. they feel better than Bitcoin and make a difference and have advantages that I think are better than BCH

Right, so both BCH and BTG are NOT the same thing as BTC, agreed? If they were, they would ALL be called "BTC." Despite my level of noobness, why can't this very basic concept sink into some peoples' brains?

I'll tell you why: greed. Greed is a staunch preventor of the understanding of the true reality of the situation.

And again, you failed to address my question, sidestepping it to call me "Noob." Who accepts BCH for payment? Anyone? Please, somebody name a single company that accepts BCH for payment.

Yes, bitcoin is bitcoin, bitcoin cash is bitcoin cash. If it was me, I would definitely choose bitcoin first. Choose bitcoin, you can accept more platforms or more people, easy to trade.

BCH is possible that the transaction is faster and transaction fee is lower than the BTC but BCH can not replace the BTC position. One is godchild and one is progeny - Who do you choose?
It is important that Bitcoin has been around for quite some time and has received the support and trust of everyone. What BCH can not do.

Bitcoin cash existed from the main chain and even if the chain becomes more valuable it might gain the market capital if majority of the exchanges switch to bitcoin cash. Same won't happen anymore as the bitcoin main chain keeps growing with large acceptance from large scale firms.

logically, BCH is present to upgrade the btc that has exceeded the transaction limit. Bitcoin Cash has raised the block size limit to 8 MB. Transaction capacity sufficient for transactions globally.

Transaction costs are lower and network confirmation is faster and more stable. This is certainly a positive impact for all users Bitcoin, so it will be more comfortable doing business other digital currency.

so, BCH will remain BCH, coin born from the result of network development.

The irony is that the PO is a newbie. I guess the opposite is true as well. Do you think he got the account just to bash Bitcoin cash? I am always fascinated by how people who bash Bitcoin Cash are always posting about bitcoin cash.

Simply because its only a fork with no specials ^^

Don't worry, I've been around, despite what it says under my name.

I'm mainly trying to promote a Crypto Resource Website (https://coinclarity.com/) (Coin Clarity) which I handle social media management for. I gotta say, its one of the best jobs I've ever had. They are one of the most altruistic bitcoin-related websites I've ever worked for, because their main emphasis is education and not moneymaking or "get rich quick" schemes.

Of course we all want to make money using crypto, or at least _save_ money by using crypto. But BCH is a thinly-veiled ploy to steal from the successes of bitcoin. If they truly thought they had such a great, novel idea, why did they have to incorporate the name of the #1 crypto into their own altcoin? They're simply trying to rip off the good name of bitcoin. It's not really a matter of opinion.

I agree with your opinion. Bitcoin Cahs is nothing like Bitcoin, only thing that they have in common is Bitcoin. From my poin of view that is just ripoff of name, and try go get fame on Bitcoin. Probably most of new people that come into cryptocurrency are confused, and don't know what is the difference between them. I guess that same is happening now with Bitcoin Gold. That also I don't support. There is only one Bitcoin.

Bitcoin cash is a fork of the original Bitcoin, but nothing can beat the original Bitcoin.
Bitcoin cash is a good alternative, and in the last time more people are interested to him

Guess what the logo for BCH looks like? I'll give you a hint: its the EXACT same logo as BTC!

RipoffCoin is by far a more honest attempt at making a novel cryptocurrency than BCH.

Roger Ver is just a sad man. How much wealth is enough, Rog?

God, if only people got past the hate and thought it through lol "$200 trash coin" for the win

BCH is simply the biggest, most well-funded altcoin pump ever. If you buy into it, you're simply loading the pockets of the already tremendously rich.

Again, please, somebody name ONE vendor who currently accepts Bitcoin Cash? Just one? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?

Bitcoin Cash will never be Bitcoin because of a ticker symbol?    That's your best argument?

When Bitcoin Cash has the most accumulated work, I think it will be the only real bitcoin in every sense.

LOL! why dont you take 2 seconds to read and actually stay informed bitmain currently ONLY takes BCH lol, so not only a vendor that takes it but takes it OVER BTC

". Only BCH(Bitcoin Cash) payment method is accepted in this batch, please use the exact amount mentioned in your order and complete the payment within one hour. After one hour, the order will expire and your payment may not be detected by the system automatically. Payment must be in BCH. We cannot accept payment in BTC. If you send BTC to the BCH wallet the coins may be lost. If the payment is submitted but the receipt is delayed, we will make your payment "Valid" manually. "

I agree with you! BCH is merely just using their name to gain recognition in the community. For those of us who have been around a while, we can see through it. It's an altcoin and we know it!

It´s just stating the obvious, but we have to consider something that was wisely expressed by some specialist at the time of the fork. The strength of the bitcoin reside in his network, but also might be his weakness. As we see, the moment that bitcoin did not want to advance in what is becoming its bottleneck the size of the block bitcoin Cash soared, the reason is simple, the crypto world needs fast transactions and the small block size only benefit a few number of miners that become greedier when the price increases and they choose only the most profitable transactions over the smaller fees. BCash with a bigger block can accommodate a much higher number of transactions and can become more attractive to miners then when a lot of miners may start to transfer their power of mining to Bcash and increase its strength. True prophecy, let´s see how long bitcoin will insist on not evolving.

Sorry mate, I read your post and I read no solid argument whatsoever to demonstrate that BCC is a bad coin that has no future.
No mention of block size, no mention of speed of transactions, no mention of fee. Your post is just air.
Please try again.
Thanks.

You have some valid points raised there, mate. I am still on the side of Bitcoin. But I am trying to look at the situation objectively. Because as I see it now, Bitcoin Cash has gained the momentum already and some additional trust. I think the future is going to be exciting. Bitcoin Cash is offering very little transaction fee as compared to Bitcoin. The confirmation time is much quicker also as compared to Bitcoin transactions.

But i is the real BTC, BTC should have been the one that changed it's name not the other way around. you need to read more, you got brainwashed by the media inspired propaganda from a few determined individuals to deceive the community and fork there own coin using the original BTC name. And they got away with it too.

OK, so the bitcoin blockchain currently stands at over 140 GB in size. This already makes it extremely hard for the average user to run their own node.

Granted BCH blocks aren't very big right now (because nobody is using it for anything except speculation), but let's just say people actually _do_ send it back and forth to each other and eventually begin using it for things other than speculation. How long will it take the BCH blockchain to surpass that of BTC's in size? 2, 3 years tops?

This means that only the extremely wealthy or with access to top-notch computers will be able to run full BCH nodes, putting BCH squarely in the palms of the 1%.

Is this what Satoshi had envisioned?

The answer is "no."

So please, for the love of all that is decent, please, I beg you, STOP pretending they are the same thing when clearly they are not.

I mean, BCH stole BTC's logo, but the similarities end there.

You are uninformed.  Do some research.

Uh... care to explain why? This is just an ad hominem attack, meaning it is pointless.

Satoshi envisioned bitcoin to be money used by all. While this clearly turned out not to be the case (Dogecoin is closer to reaching this goal), BCH will put even more power in the hands of the wealthy.

But the debate is over now. BCH lost. Sorry another one of your bitcoin spinoff pumps failed. How much money did you lose this time?