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Post by: BitcoinEXpress on June 10, 2013, 09:23:05 AM
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Title: Re: delete
Post by: smilez on June 10, 2013, 09:32:43 AM
Wonder how much time until FTC is dead at btc-e.


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Post by: bushstar on June 10, 2013, 09:40:57 AM
We have lots of orphan blocks created by the attacker. The network is not running two version of the block chain as some people believe. Clients see one chain with a fair few orphan blocks after the attack. Our orphans are a result of an attack no doubt but these things do occur naturally. Some of the faster block chain manage to generate huge orphan chain.

Rolling back would be very hard to achieve and would be incredibly damaging to the coin. There was over 4000BTC volume on Feathercoin at BTC-e. I doubt you could convince them that we need to roll back.

I imagine that the attacker would take great delight watching someone try to rollback a coin after they attacked it and would endeavour to attack it again to make all efforts fruitless. Rolling back is not a practical or sensible solution for this situation.

We are investigating technical solutions that everyone can use. In the short term we are safe guarded by the large hash power coming to Feathercoin. The Feathercoin source code has been updated to include new checkpoint to make sure that none of are subsequent work after the attacks can be challenged. You can get the updated client from the Official Feathercoin website.

Official Feathercoin Website (http://www.feathercoin.com)


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Post by: Boxman90 on June 10, 2013, 09:46:15 AM
We have lots of orphan blocks created by the attacker. The network is not running two version of the block chain as some people believe. Clients see one chain with a fair few orphan blocks after the attack. Our orphans are a result of an attack no doubt but these things do occur naturally. Some of the faster block chain manage to generate huge orphan chain.

Rolling back would be very hard to achieve and would be incredibly damaging to the coin. There was over 4000BTC volume on Feathercoin at BTC-e. I doubt you could convince them that we need to roll back.

I imagine that the attacker would take great delight watching someone try to rollback a coin after they attacked it and would endeavour to attack it again to make all efforts fruitless. Rolling back is not a practical or sensible solution for this situation.

We are investigating technical solutions that everyone can use. In the short term we are safe guarded by the large hash power coming to Feathercoin. The Feathercoin source code has been updated to include new checkpoint to make sure that none of are subsequent work after the attacks can be challenged. You can get the updated client from the Official Feathercoin website.

Official Feathercoin Website (http://www.feathercoin.com)

If there are no split forks, how come transactions are 'lost' even after >200 confirmations?


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Post by: Mogumodz on June 10, 2013, 09:48:42 AM
Welcome to my world.


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Post by: xorxor on June 10, 2013, 09:59:41 AM
Dear Mr Bushstar.

cryptoexplorer, wemineftc, coinotron - those are on a different chains than BTC-E .

No one got their coins. The chain is still forked or completely fckd.

     


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Post by: Mogumodz on June 10, 2013, 10:02:11 AM
We have lots of orphan blocks created by the attacker. The network is not running two version of the block chain as some people believe.

That's total BS and you know it. The whole reason you don't want to roll back is because of the volume traded on BTC-e before you decided "hey, this is a real attack". Setting a CP post attack is stupid when it's not a post attack LOL

What you're doing is praying to god that whatever fork BTC-e is on becomes the dominant fork.

The only way the attacker doesn't succeed in killing FTC is if you don't fix it right.


~BCX~




+100000000000


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Post by: anderl on June 10, 2013, 10:08:09 AM
Dear Mr Bushstar.

cryptoexplorer, wemineftc, coinotron - those are on a different chains than BTC-E .

No one got their coins. The chain is still forked or completely fckd.

     

you can add BigVerns fcpoool to that list too.


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Post by: Mogumodz on June 10, 2013, 10:11:29 AM
*grabs popcorn*


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Post by: Entimp on June 10, 2013, 10:14:44 AM
FTC isn't 51ed and an updated client is available.
http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?topic=1525.0


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Post by: Boxman90 on June 10, 2013, 10:16:08 AM
FTC isn't 51ed and an updated client is available.
http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?topic=1525.0

Quote
Checkpoints have been added to the client set to after the attacks stopped

SO yes, it was successfully 51%'ed.


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Post by: mm8000 on June 10, 2013, 10:18:06 AM
*hides in closet*


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Post by: anderl on June 10, 2013, 10:19:16 AM
Rolling back would be very hard to achieve and would be incredibly damaging to the coin. There was over 4000BTC volume on Feathercoin at BTC-e. I doubt you could convince them that we need to roll back.


You know what else is very damaging to the coin?  Not rolling back.  FTC's reputation is on the line

You see if you allow the attacking chain to persist then the attack wins.  It also sends a message to all other potential attackers that your coin network condones this behavior.  Which means FTC will get attacked again.  FTC will lose hashing power in the future and will be ripe for another attack based on this attack and response I refuse to mine FTC and I'm sure there are others.  Coinchoose has already delisted FTC and I expect that other services will do the same in time.

FTC is broken if you don't fix it then the block chain will have this attack in its history and FTCs future as a potential currency will forever be tarnished.


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Post by: mmitech on June 10, 2013, 10:19:47 AM
it is ironic when I see people trying to comfort their selves about what is happening!! it is a huge problem, you are just so ignorant, or the new FTC pump made you risk everything for nothing, unbelievable !!!!


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Post by: anderl on June 10, 2013, 10:22:04 AM
it is ironic when I see people trying to comfort their selves about what is happening!! it is a huge problem, you are just so ignorant, or the new FTC pump made you risk everything for nothing, unbelievable !!!!

it's greed, I'm sure that the developers or the few insiders that hold FTC don't want the chain fixed.


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Post by: bushstar on June 10, 2013, 10:27:24 AM
We have lots of orphan blocks created by the attacker. The network is not running two version of the block chain as some people believe.

That's total BS and you know it. The whole reason you don't want to roll back is because of the volume traded on BTC-e before you decided "hey, this is a real attack". Setting a CK post attack is stupid when it's not a post attack LOL

What you're doing is praying to god that whatever fork BTC-e is on becomes the dominant fork and I'm sure that's the one you hard coded into the new client. Screw the rest of the people on the smaller fork huh?

You shouldn't worry about pissing of an exchange and do the right thing. Hard code at the first point of attack and roll back.

Just my .02 ftc and wish you luck.

~BCX~

Are you the infamous BitcoinEXpress that threatened Litecoin with a 51% attack all that time ago and ended up crashing the market? I though you went into hiding.

Anyway yes, undoing all that trade over the last couple of days to spite an attacker would be very damaging. Check the block chain explorer if you want to see the chain that everyone is using, orphans can be viewed there two, you can verify that the orphans are incorporated into the blockchain and are not left running out there. If there were multiple version then miners would not have seen orphan blocks on the pools, they would have showed as genuine on the fork. Fork did not happen, orphans happened. I hope this is clear to you know.

Please keep misinformation to the trollbox. It is a shame to see BitcoinTalk slowly turn into a troll sanctuary :)

Dear Mr Bushstar.

cryptoexplorer, wemineftc, coinotron - those are on a different chains than BTC-E .

No one got their coins. The chain is still forked or completely fckd.

I am not sure what BTC-e are doing. I have never been able to make contact with them. They may be suspending their daemons and double checking everything manually before updating. They are a major target and I'm sure they are doing everything they can to safe guard themselves. I would like them to be a bit more upfront about things as we are left guessing.


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Post by: Buffer Overflow on June 10, 2013, 10:58:56 AM
Don't roll back the chain = Feathercoin stuffed.
Do roll back the chain = Feathercoin stuffed.


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Post by: YipYip on June 10, 2013, 11:01:19 AM


Are you the infamous BitcoinEXpress that threatened Litecoin with a 51% attack all that time ago and ended up crashing the market? I though you went into hiding.




Yes that would be me (which should be apparent I understand 51% attacks) and just like your thinking on there not being two block chains, you're wrong on me going into hiding. For the record I never actually attacked LTC but I did 51% Fairbrix, Tenebrix, Geistgeld 1 and 2, IXC, I0C, Solidcoin 1 and 2. LukeJr nailed Coiledcoin before I could get to it.

I've no time or inclination to "stress test" any chains since early 2012.

You think I crashed the LTC market when it was worth 10 LTC to the penny and BTC was worth was less than $4.00....what market?

Just so you know I had ZERO to do with this but I can see the signs of what's happening.

Roll back is the only way to fix this cluster and you know it.

Would love to see you succeed, I have a huge amount of FTC.


~BCX~



WHo the fuck are you to go around 51% coins....

You are some type of extreme low life that needs to get a girlfriend...

WHy dont u just go fuck yourself... It did seem rather urgent how u wanted to get a roll back so you could bath in your misguided belief of  power in ones deeds ...in reality you are a no nothing punk who could never create anything... all u can do is smash windows and write graffitti on the walls...gee that took sooo much skill !!!

U are pathetic...and also evil ...u must be so happy and have soooo many friends that you resort to this type of behaviour

Good luck lonely boy.... somebody not even a mother could love !


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Post by: Boxman90 on June 10, 2013, 11:05:01 AM
Conspiracy time:

Could it be that BitcoinExpress 51%'ed FTC, got to BTC-e and sold all of his coins?
Could it be that he now wants the rollback, so he essentially can double-spend the coins he already spent at BTC-e again?

I'm not saying anything like that happened, I'm just asking questions. [/cartman]


Title: Re: delete
Post by: Boxman90 on June 10, 2013, 11:08:59 AM
Still if you roll back, the attacker essentialy gets the chance to spend all his coins once more.


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Post by: YipYip on June 10, 2013, 11:10:02 AM
As bushstar has said and is there for everyone to see the chain is fine (some orphans but fine)

What is and what has happened is now the block chain....

There are not 2 forks as some low lifes are trying to sell for their own motives


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Post by: jubalix on June 10, 2013, 11:11:28 AM
I have always wondered cua bono?

and I think the source of this attack maybe be closer to home....a long game could be being played which may also explain ftc support on btc-e despite this cluster fk.....nothing like a high volume pet coin....


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Post by: YipYip on June 10, 2013, 11:12:24 AM
Conspiracy time:

Could it be that BitcoinExpress 51%'ed FTC, got to BTC-e and sold all of his coins?
Could it be that he now wants the rollback, so he essentially can double-spend the coins he already spent at BTC-e again?

I'm not saying anything like that happened, I'm just asking questions. [/cartman]


It's possible but not me LOL...

Still have all my FTC unfortunately.




~BCX~

Yeah right ... also what a tosser..we can see who u are.... we dont need you to sign off as well..

~(<YY>)~

BCX = Tosser


Title: Re: delete
Post by: jubalix on June 10, 2013, 11:13:09 AM


Are you the infamous BitcoinEXpress that threatened Litecoin with a 51% attack all that time ago and ended up crashing the market? I though you went into hiding.




Yes that would be me (which should be apparent I understand 51% attacks) and just like your thinking on there not being two block chains, you're wrong on me going into hiding. For the record I never actually attacked LTC but I did 51% Fairbrix, Tenebrix, Geistgeld 1 and 2, IXC, I0C, Solidcoin 1 and 2. LukeJr nailed Coiledcoin before I could get to it.

I've no time or inclination to "stress test" any chains since early 2012.

You think I crashed the LTC market when it was worth 10 LTC to the penny and BTC was worth was less than $4.00....what market?

Just so you know I had ZERO to do with this but I can see the signs of what's happening.



Roll back is the only way to fix this cluster and you know it.

Would love to see you succeed, I have a huge amount of FTC.


~BCX~



WHo the fuck are you to go around 51% coins....

You are some type of extreme low life that needs to get a girlfriend...

WHy dont u just go fuck yourself... It did seem rather urgent how u wanted to get a roll back so you could bath in your misguided belief of  power in ones deeds ...in reality you are a no nothing punk who could never create anything... all u can do is smash windows and write graffitti on the walls...gee that took sooo much skill !!!

U are pathetic...and also evil ...u must be so happy and have soooo many friends that you resort to this type of behaviour

Good luck lonely boy.... somebody not even a mother could love !

maybe maybe not

he is providing a real world simulation of a 51%, useful info.


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Post by: crazyearner on June 10, 2013, 11:36:17 AM
never got close to 51% attack read feathercoin forums plus its all fixed anyway in their new client update so people should update and read. And not post THUD lol

http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?topic=1525.0


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Post by: tiberiandusk on June 10, 2013, 11:42:48 AM
Good riddance.


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Post by: bitdwarf on June 10, 2013, 11:47:52 AM
never got close to 51% attack read feathercoin forums plus its all fixed anyway in their new client update so people should update and read. And not post THUD lol

https://i.imgur.com/qJy7mKb.jpg


Title: Re: delete
Post by: Raoul Duke on June 10, 2013, 12:01:08 PM
awwww...  BitchcoinEXpress is afraid of losing his shitcoins and wants a rollback... How cute is that!? ::)


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Post by: dubs on June 10, 2013, 12:02:13 PM
awwww...  BitchcoinEXpress is afraid of losing his shitcoins and wants a rollback... How cute is that!? ::)
what a twat


Title: Re: delete
Post by: b!z on June 10, 2013, 12:02:39 PM
Congratulations FTC community  8)


Title: Re: delete
Post by: erk on June 10, 2013, 12:03:18 PM
Yawn, the attack finished about 15 hours ago I think that was when the last string of orphans was reported.

There has also been a FTC client release 0.6.4.1 with checkpoints added that I suggest you grab.


This is a troll thread, sounds more like the opposition in an election campaign speech, more than a genuine concern.

Obviously BitcoinEXpress is trying to spread FUD as this is the second thread he has started on the topic now.




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Post by: kelsey on June 10, 2013, 12:16:42 PM
Yawn, the attack finished about 15 hours ago I think that was when the last string of orphans was reported.

There has also been a FTC client release 0.6.4.1 with checkpoints added that I suggest you grab.


This is a troll thread, sounds more like the opposition in an election campaign speech, more than a genuine concern.

Obviously BitcoinEXpress is trying to spread FUD as this is the second thread he has started on the topic now.




so do we grab release 0.6.4.1a or 0.6.4.1b?  ;D


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Post by: mmitech on June 10, 2013, 12:21:01 PM
never got close to 51% attack read feathercoin forums plus its all fixed anyway in their new client update so people should update and read. And not post THUD lol

https://i.imgur.com/qJy7mKb.jpg

LOL I remember this one, he was a legend, I forgot his name thought, in 2003 when war in Iraq was at the peak the guy show up on TV to tell that everything is under control and that there is nothing going on. good example for this situation.


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Post by: erk on June 10, 2013, 12:26:02 PM
Yawn, the attack finished about 15 hours ago I think that was when the last string of orphans was reported.

There has also been a FTC client release 0.6.4.1 with checkpoints added that I suggest you grab.


This is a troll thread, sounds more like the opposition in an election campaign speech, more than a genuine concern.

Obviously BitcoinEXpress is trying to spread FUD as this is the second thread he has started on the topic now.




so do we grab release 0.6.4.1a or 0.6.4.1b?  ;D
There isn't an a or b.

Perhaps you should mine CNC and leave FTC to the adults.


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Post by: kelsey on June 10, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
Yawn, the attack finished about 15 hours ago I think that was when the last string of orphans was reported.

There has also been a FTC client release 0.6.4.1 with checkpoints added that I suggest you grab.


This is a troll thread, sounds more like the opposition in an election campaign speech, more than a genuine concern.

Obviously BitcoinEXpress is trying to spread FUD as this is the second thread he has started on the topic now.




so do we grab release 0.6.4.1a or 0.6.4.1b?  ;D
There isn't an a or b.

Perhaps you should mine CNC and leave FTC to the adults.


dude my digital watch could 51% FTC


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Post by: YipYip on June 10, 2013, 12:35:12 PM


Are you the infamous BitcoinEXpress that threatened Litecoin with a 51% attack all that time ago and ended up crashing the market? I though you went into hiding.




Yes that would be me (which should be apparent I understand 51% attacks) and just like your thinking on there not being two block chains, you're wrong on me going into hiding. For the record I never actually attacked LTC but I did 51% Fairbrix, Tenebrix, Geistgeld 1 and 2, IXC, I0C, Solidcoin 1 and 2. LukeJr nailed Coiledcoin before I could get to it.

I've no time or inclination to "stress test" any chains since early 2012.

You think I crashed the LTC market when it was worth 10 LTC to the penny and BTC was worth was less than $4.00....what market?

Just so you know I had ZERO to do with this but I can see the signs of what's happening.



Roll back is the only way to fix this cluster and you know it.

Would love to see you succeed, I have a huge amount of FTC.


~BCX~



WHo the fuck are you to go around 51% coins....

You are some type of extreme low life that needs to get a girlfriend...

WHy dont u just go fuck yourself... It did seem rather urgent how u wanted to get a roll back so you could bath in your misguided belief of  power in ones deeds ...in reality you are a no nothing punk who could never create anything... all u can do is smash windows and write graffitti on the walls...gee that took sooo much skill !!!

U are pathetic...and also evil ...u must be so happy and have soooo many friends that you resort to this type of behaviour

Good luck lonely boy.... somebody not even a mother could love !

maybe maybe not

he is providing a real world simulation of a 51%, useful info.

... oh what joy... there is ONLY self benifit involved in his motives

spare me the white hat hacker bullshit !!


Title: Re: delete
Post by: digitalindustry on June 10, 2013, 12:40:23 PM
 So that was it then the so called 51% ,  it was all a failure ?

wow - BitcoinExpress and all the other BTC must be rubbing one out ?

or not maybe ?

the price is high and nothing happened.

and now I and many others are interested in mining it . 

What team are you guys working for ?

Seriously you need a performance review .