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I have seen and read so much crap on these with comments going both ways that I'm not sure what to believe...

My common sense tells me that if this "free" power were really viable three things would be happening:

a) there would be videos of electrical equipment working off these generators in the middle of an open field in the desert to prove that there is no other way the energy is being generated

b) you would have a lot of buzz by governments and electric companies (negative of course because this smashes one of their levers of control over people).

c)  Solar panel makers would be trashing these because it would definitely cut into their business...

Since I'm seeing none of these there is an overwhelming need to call BULLSHIT on this...but since there is always someone smarter I thought I'd put it out there...what do you folks think?

I tend to give it a small level of credence because frankly, all new innovative tech seems like magic to those not in the know...I just imagine that WI-fi would have seemed like magic to people just 30 years ago.  

I've seen a quote a few times while reading about this tech:



 

 

Isn't this what any induction generator would do by turning kinetic (motion) energy into electricity?

It would be more or less 'free' if you had a big ol' paddle wheel turning this generator around using a water fall :P

No, what I'm talking about is that these things are using magnetism to self sustain a generator turning while at the same time outputting extra electricity to run some device connected to the generator...

So basically drawing 100w and outputting 1000w...

Something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUMEAMdwb8c

Phrahahaha, someone flunked physics 101 :P

Yeah, so, weld a big ol' rod to you car to dangle a big magnet infront of it, and you got free propulsion too... haha

No seriously, that sounds like bullshit :)

No such thing as a free lunch. ;)
(or free electricity)

Energy simply can't be created from nothing. (quite unfortunately, as my last electric bill indicates...)

Yeah definitely not in technical terms, but it qualifies as feedback  ;D

I figure it's gotta be bullshit, but there are so many different people doing this I wonder if there isn't something to it...

Lots of people have been chasing this kind of dream since the beginning of time.  Doesn't make it anymore feasible ;)


However, if you could find a naturally occuring alternating magnetic field, all you'd need to do is set up some coils to harvest some induction energy.

I don't know of any of these, but there are some non-natural ones... for example... if you take some copper wire (nice and thick wire) and run it underneath and along a high-voltage line (between two high-voltage pylons... say some in the range of 100-400kV) then you could harvest some of the energy from their magnetic field ;)

That'd probably be viewed as stealing from the power company though, so I wouldn't suggest anybody actually does this.
And there's some calculations to be done so you don't end up frying your hardware, or worse, electrocuted. (Length, distance from power lines, field strength etc)

No matter what, output cannot be more than input, there isn't really such a generator

Until we start messing with Stellarators and quantum mechanics and crap, but if we made fusion reactors work (as in viable actual energy surplus producing unit), we'd be next in line for the Nobel prize of physics :P

Perpetuum mobile

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Cannot create energy from nothing. It has to come from somewhere.
FIRST LAW of Thermodynamics. Physics 101 as someone said earlier.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

If you're talking about this site:
http://topmagneticgenerator.com/
Could not be a more obvious scam!

I haven't looked at the video and haven't even considered the concept but the one thing I would say in general is beware of LAWS, particularly 'LAWS' of physics and chemistry. Throughout history, what they thought of as laws weren't and they have been modified, changed or even abandoned.

Whilst I don't doubt that the 100w to 1000w generator is crap, I also take with a pinch of salt all the current 'laws' of physics.

I had to use all my strength to restrain myself in this response.
I challenge you to cite a single example of a LAW of Physics that has been "changed or abandoned"
They don't change and they are fundamental to our understanding of the world around us. That is why we call them laws.
And in question here is part of the FIRST Law of Thermodynamics, arguably one of the most fundamental in Physics.

THEORIES are a different story and maybe that is what you had in mind.

Anyway, this is completely off-topic for this forum and I am not going to comment on it further.

I invented one of these when I was eight! Drew lots of pretty diagrams, thought I was pretty clever, then forgot about it.

Then in high school physics we studied work and energy and came across the Laws Of thermodynamics (nicely described in the previous posts).

In short TANSTAAFL, a good principle to apply to everything in life (including Bitcoin).

Just thought I'd share  ;)

Same here, as an Electrical engineer by training, it doesn't look plausible.

Yikes. Not sure if you've heard of Quantum Mechanics, but it was this pretty revolutionary development that is pretty widely accepted currently, that has shown many verified experimental results, that on the micro-scale most of Classical Mechanics (and its laws) don't hold. For example, conservation of energy is violated all the time (which the First Law of Thermodynamics is based on), on the micro scale when particles literally form out of nothing.

Here's another fun one for you, clasically a ball rolling up a hill will never be able to get to the other side of the hill, unless it has enough energy to surpass the top of the hill. Yet every day we use electronics dependent on current passing through an insulating layer, which would be clasically impossible.

Does this all lead up to a free-energy device? Nah. But it is good that you restrain yourself in your responses.

I'm personally waiting for a Dark Energy Generator. :p

What this device in the video looks like is nothing more than an expensive unshielded magnetic field generator whose only purpose is to distort the instrument readings. I bet if he had two different brands of meters hooked up to the same spot but located a couple of meters apart they would show different values.

No such thing as a perpetual motion machine.

By the way, just took a quick look at the video. Almost every sentence out of the guy's mouth is total technobabble or else irrelevant, I can tell you that with 100% certainty.

Nope. The spontaneous creation and destruction of virtual particles is not an example of the violation of the conservation of energy. That is because the measurement of energy is subject to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Just like the position and momentum of a particle cannot simultaneously be measured to arbitrary precision, there is an analogous relationship for time and energy. A particle that exists for a sufficiently short amount of time (such as a virtual particle) cannot have its energy measured, meaning that said energy never really existed in any relevant physical sense. Hence, conservation of energy is not violated.

No, fusion reactors still do not produce more output energy than exists on the input. That is physically impossible. Rather, fusion takes nuclear binding energy and releases it as kinetic energy and radiation. Just like nuclear fission, nuclear fusion is not creating energy out of nothing.

Urban myth.

There's plenty of these. The Earth's magnetic field, or Jupiter's. Or even better, a rapidly rotating neutron star (pulsar). Plenty of energy to be had there. Of course, harvesting said energy is unlikely to be worth the trouble (except maybe the pulsar, but gotta get there first).

That particular link is not correct. There are plenty of ways to make "free energy" but that isn't one of them.

As the story goes, this video was released after a patent was filed... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiWiXMHn0 --- inventor promptly vanished never to be heard from again.
And here's a replica that took 6 years to build based on the first video and the patent for the that one.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqJDrFMqGlU

This concept involves using magnetic repulsion (and tactical blocking of the leading edge of the field) to make it spin until it either accelerates to the point where the bearings wear out... it shakes itself apart or the magnets literally fall apart and turn to dust from the field interactions. It works well enough, but the cost effectiveness of it is iffy at best (the general assumption is that parts wear out too quickly to make enough return before you have to stop it and replace parts).

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There's a very interesting coil arrangement called a rodin coil (or star drive coil or starship coil) the interesting effect is that at certain places inside the fields generated by the coil there is enough incidental flux to power diode (or any uni-directional circuit) wirelessly - with no additional loss to the process already going on in the coil. There are literally dozens of people who've made the coils and simply drop handfuls of leds into the flux areas and watch them light up... while monitoring the draws across the coil and showing no loss.

AFAIK there's no serious research into making any sort of generator chain using this tech... I believe the primary issue is that you'd have to be willing to move huge amount of amperage through the coils at some point to produce this wierd effect... and the sheer cost of the materials gets prohibitive rather quickly.

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There's plenty of people making DIY solar powered stirling engines (using focusing plexiglass to heat the hot side of a stirling piston) - that work even in extremely cold environments... as of yet - no computer controlled consumer products on the market. It's all done with a human focusing the lenses.

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There's something called a tesla-cable-generator... (yes it's an old tesla patent) that describes how running many meters of insulated cable can harvest current from the em field of the earth - the only reason it hasn't been developed commercially is because of lawsuits where power companies went after citizens using them claiming they were using induction to steal electricity from the lines... Since then everyone's pretty much left it alone.

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And my personal favorite... Browns gas generators. There's one commercial product that will turn distilled water into browns gas (it's an unstable molecular reconfiguration of HOH into HHO) hydrogen is aproximately 250 times more explosive than gasoline - and browns gas is aproximately 3500 times more explosive than hydrogen. I know one guy in particular that uses a modified browns gas welder running off house current to power a steam engine to charge the batteries that run his house. Seems like a lot of work to me... but man it's cool.

I don't know of any commercial internal combustion engines that are designed to run purely off uncompressed hydrogen... but it's conceivable that it would be possible to design such... and that if you could build one to run browns gas instead you'd see massive amounts of 'free energy'

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Ultimately when it comes right down to it... the cheap and easy free energy is solar and hydro. You can build it yourself and it's pretty reliable. Hydro is of course best (but requires running water) - solar is climate (and time of day specific) but the stirling engine running off focused sunlight may ultimately make even low light or bad light capable of making good reliable power.

You can upgrade your pre-order to this 98-coil version for $100 ...   :)