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I will send you
   

• Australian dollar (AUD) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_dollar),
• convertible mark (BAM) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_and_Herzegovina_convertible_mark),
• Canadian dollar (CAD) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_dollar),
• Swiss franc (CHF) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_franc),
• Czech koruna (CZK) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_koruna),
• Danish kroner (DKK) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_krone),
• Euro (EUR) (https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro),
• Pound sterling (GBP) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling),
• Hungarian forint (HUF) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_forint),
• kuna (HRK) (https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuna),
• Japanese yen (JPY) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_yen),
• Norwegian krone (NOK) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_krone),
• złoty (PLN) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_z%C5%82oty),
• Swedish kronor (SEK) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_krona), and/or
• United States dollar (USD) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar)

bills / (bank)notes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknote) via priority / air unregistered mail for 104% of the 7-day average market value of the fiat currency cash – plus 3.97 Swiss francs (CHF) for the shipping – in Bitcoins (BTC).


Confidentiality

Do not confuse confidentiality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidentiality) with pseudonymity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudonymity) or anonymity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymity). For instance, the Anonymous do not realize they are pseudonymous (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudonymity) and not anonymous (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymity).

You can encrypt all communication using my 2012-04-11 OpenPGP public key (http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7777b1915933acf1b998010170b97690c7f8dd31) (4096-bit Rivest-Shamir-Adleman (RSA); 7777 B191 5933 ACF1 B998  0101 70B9 7690 C7F8 DD31), but it will take me longer to respond in that case as my semi-secure station is dead at present. For that reason, I am not accessing my Tor Mail (http://jhiwjjlqpyawmpjx.onion/) account, so don't send anything there.

I am very non-cooperative with the government fuckers and will give them my name and official address when asked. That's the approximate extent of my cooperation.

Shipping is performed using unregistered mail, meaning there is no tracking number and – probably – no record of the sender or cecipient, except for the originating and destined post offices.


Ordering and feedback

The exchange will go as follows:

• Send me a private message (PM) with the subject "Bitcoins (BTC) to Cash in Unregistered Mail (CiUM) order" and the following information to me:
        
  • A list of bills / (bank)notes for me to send. See: Swiss franc (CHF) bills / (bank)notes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknotes_of_the_Swiss_franc), Euro (EUR) bills / (bank)notes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_banknotes), kuna (HRK) bills / (bank)notes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_kuna#Banknotes), Japanese yen (JPY) bills / (bank)notes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknotes_of_the_Japanese_yen), United States dollar (USD) bills / (bank)notes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Note) etc. Don't order rare ones because I will then refuse the order. The more bills you order in a single shipment, the higher the chance of shipment theft. Example:
                
    • 4 × 100 Swiss franc (CHF) bill / (bank)note
    • 2 × 20 Swiss franc (CHF) bill / (bank)note
             
  • Shipping address. Check how your name is spelled – I know this is ridiculous, but some Americans who've ordered seem to not know it.
  • Shipping video requirement – i.e. "Shipping video required." or "Shipping video not required." – see Shipment loss liability below.
     
• I will calculate the price of the ordered bills / (bank)notes in Bitcoins (BTC), private message (PM) you the text of the agreement and its' 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool_(cryptography)) – in hexadecimal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal) numerals.
• I will post a cleartext detached OpenPGP (http://www.openpgp.org/) signature of the agreement text in this thread.
• You will post a cleartext detached OpenPGP (http://www.openpgp.org/) signature of the agreement text or "I accept the agreement Whirlpool-512: " plus the 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool_(cryptography)) – in hexadecimal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal) numerals – of the agreement text plus " with nlovric (https://www.bitcointalk.org/?action=profile;u=51020)." in this thread.
• You will transfer the required Bitcoins (BTC) to the Bitcoin address stated in the agreement, within the time limit stated in the agreement.
• I will ship the bills / (bank)notes stated in the agreement and video-tape the shipping – see Shipment loss liability below – if you have so requested.
• After your receive, partially receive, or don't receive – for some time – the ordered bills / (bank)notes, you will post the 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool_(cryptography)) – in hexadecimal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal) numerals – of the agreement along with your feedback on the order in my Trust network (https://www.bitcointalk.org/?action=trust;u=51020).
• I will post the 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool_(cryptography)) – in hexadecimal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal) numerals – of the agreement along with my feedback on the order in your Trust network (https://www.bitcointalk.org/?action=trust).

Shipping delay

The shipping delay depends on 15 fiat currencies Cash in Pseudonymous Mail (CiPM) to Bitcoins (BTC)  (https://www.bitcointalk.org/?topic=234351.0) orders etc. This means that you will have to wait for this much longer.


No cancelation / guaranteed shipping

Once an agreement is made, neither side may cancel it, regardless of market rise or fall.


Shipping duration

Only orders for which buyers have accurately reported reception times are included in the table.

Country State / region		Province / county / district		UTC calendar weekdays (holidays included)		UTC calendar days		UTC calendar days
Germany (DE)		Nordrhein-Westfalen		Lippe		2		4
		Mecklenburg-Vorpommern				2		4
Japan (JP)		Kensai		Osaka		4		6
Latvia (LT)		Riga		Riga		4, 5		4, 7
Slovakia (SK)		Bratislava				2, 3, 5 (?)		5, 3, 7 (?)

Shipment loss liability

By placing an order, you agree that I am not liable if my shipment does not reach you. If you pay 3.97 Swiss francs (CHF) in Bitcoins (BTC), extra, I can send a continuous video of the item being placed into an envelope with the shipment address on it, the envelope being sealed, and the envelope being placed into a yellow collection box of Croatian Post, Inc. (http://www.posta.hr/) as proof that I have shipped the order. Shipping via priority / air unregistered mail has thus far produced 0% shipment loss.


Disputes

Only you, I, and – hopefully only – BitcoinTalk staff will have access to the text of the agreement, but my cleartext detached OpenPGP (http://www.openpgp.org/) signature of the text of the agreement and/or its' 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool_(cryptography)) – in hexadecimal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal) numerals – will be public. Therefore – in case of a dispute – either of us can share the text of the agreement with a 3rd party, have them authenticate it by checking my cleartext detached OpenPGP (http://www.openpgp.org/) signature of the text of the agreement and/or by comparing the 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool_(cryptography)) – in hexadecimal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal) numerals – of the provided text to the 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool_(cryptography)) – in hexadecimal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal) numerals – posted in this thread, and get their feedback.

I will sell you a brand new porche for $1000.  I'll send it to you after you pay me the $1000; no really I promise I will.  I'll even send you a video of me sticking it in a mailbox.  Not my fault if it disappears before you get it though, you still won't get your $1000 back.

/end sacrcasm.

buyer (https://www.bitcointalk.org/?action=profile;u=122848) runs similar services and is posting scam accusations in all competing service offer threads.

Nice attempt to evade the argument.  Why did you not answer the charge that you are running a risky service for the buyer?  There is no secret that I built (but do not own) a btc to gift card service.  And it is registered and law abiding.  Don't you wish you could say the same?

Of course it is risky, much like the services which you run yourself. Seeing as how you're posting scam accusations in all competing threads, I would say that your services might be a true risk for the buyer and that not being due to e.g. shipment loss or theft by postal workers as your current bahaviour is a scam in itself and customer manipulation.

Comparing my service to your unregistered and criminal attracting money laundering "cash in the mail" offering is not fair.  We are registered and do not break the law.

I only post when people come to scam, as you obviously have.  Your ad hominum attacks against me are transparent to the users who see you trying to scam them.

You are a sponsor of totalitarianism and not a libertarian. For instance, the law once said that Jews must be gassed with Zyklon B. I would disobey and you are law abiding. Additionally, I cannot register a business even if I wanted to as I am under a full government blockade following an international lawsuit against the state. However, I have no intention of sponsoring unlawful police attacks and beatings of me – and others as well, for that matter – by paying them tax.

The users will decide for themselves who is the real scammer plus who stands for what.

Oh, so you are in a terrorist state?

Have you ever heard of déjà vu? Here's some:

Ad hominem.

Oh, so you are in a terrorist state?

In fact, yes. The predecessor of this state killed more citizens of the Federal Republic of Germany on their own soil than Ministerium für Staatssicherheit – the Minitry for State Security.

Sorry dude, I'm an American.  Fuck you and your terrorist friends.


ANYONE DEALING WITH THE OP IS SUPPORTING TERRORISM!

Now you've changed your answer.  So you are saying you live in Germany and in the same breath you are saying "fuck this terrorist state I live in"?  Is that right?  Can I have your name and address?

I can't confirm where you're from, but you seem to be a psychopath. So, by fighting a terrorist state, I am their friend? Also, you seem to be a terrorist yourself. Maybe you should come here and become a government employee?

I did not change it; I appended the second sentence while you were posting.

I don't live in the Federal Republic of Germany. You're twisting backwards each and every response. Clear symptom of psychopathy.

So you are not giving any straight answers now, just attacking me...

Ok, let's go for a straight answer.  What country do you live in and operate this completely unregistered "cash for bitcoin" and "bitcoin for cash" money laundering operation?

ROFL I posted the answer in the other thread – in which you keep selectivelly-posting just like here – 4.92 minutes prior to your above post:


Just attacking is what you're doing.




So, what you're saying is that if you exchange Bitcoins (BTC) earned though Marijuana sales, you're not laundering money and if the same customer comes to me, then I am laundering money?!? Are you storing customer identification?

All Bitcoin (BTC) transactions practically constitute "money laundering" as neither the sender nor recipient are directly identified in transactions.

BTC is used for this since years...

I don't sell marijuana, I smoke it which is perfectly legal in my state.  And I don't exchange.  I buy BTC but I do not sell.  

Did I say you? I said customer:


Also, it does not concern me what is perfectly legal in your state as in some it is perfectly legal to beat women on account of being female etc. so that must be right – according to your way of thinking – on account that it is perfectly legal. People who want to smoke Marijuana being able to do so is right – irrespective of what the law says, and women being beaten on account of being female is wrong – irrespective of what the law says. Laws are verbal formulations of psychopathy and totalitarianism.


Also, you have not answered the following question:

Perhaps you are allowed to beat women in Croatia but we in the civilized world made that illegal a hundred years ago, because we are civilized.  I am not here to debate you about what you think of the law.  I am here to WARN THE WORLD THAT SENDING CASH IN THE MAIL IS STUPID and that anyone falling for your "scheme" will regret doing so as you have no way to send cash or recieve cash that is insurable in any way.



I am not personally, but the server is storing publicly available information about visitors to the webiste.  Unlike your offer this is all explained and fully available to read at our webiste under the privacy, terms of service and FAQ sections.  The owner of the site is FinCEN registered and so he is required to keep certain records and report suspicious activitity to the authorities.

https://www.sellbitcoinforcash.com

The short answer is that for transfers of gift cards to the user under a face value of $1000 per day there are minimal requirements for storing transaction data.  If a customer wants to purchase more than $1000 per day then we require more information from them like their name and address.  This is all pretty standard stuff over here in the FREE WORLD where we follow the law and look down on those who do not as CRIMINALS.

Look at the psychopathic response. I did not say that the Republic of Croatia is such. In these parts of the world, women got the right to vote at the same time as men. American women did not have a right to vote until the early 20th century. The United States of America (USA) had Africans for slaves. The last slaves in these parts of the world were held by the Roman Empire almost 2 millenia ago. States – e.g. partially Saudi Arabia – are supported by your – if you're an American at all – "civilized" country – the United States of America (USA). If you're anywhere close to a typical American, then an American is not even verbally civilized, much less legally. Fortunately, I know that you're not necessarily a typical American.

And selling Bitcoins (BTC) for something reversible – such as your gift cards – is smart? When my customers receive cash, it's in their hands and irreversible. When your customers receive a gift card, you can resell it to someone else and then claim that the customer compromised it somehow.





That is not the free world; that is the Total Information Awareness and Big Brother world. If you consider mandatory delivery of such information to the government freedom, then you must either be delusional or in denial.

So you are unlicensed, uninsured, not registered as a company anywhere, live in a worn torn country that you think is terrorist and we should do business with you?

That's quite a compelling argument you make there...  ::)

You already posted this somewhere; I was expecting to reply to something new.

I have added support for OpenPGP (http://www.openpgp.org/) and changed the feedback method to the BitcoinTalk Trust network (https://www.bitcointalk.org/?action=trust).