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I moved away from Bitparking Pool, and made a number of private requests that you pay out my outstanding balance with Bitparking Pool:



I never received any answer.

I am now repeating the same request publicly.

It would be very sad if the negative views that I expressed about the pool turned out to be the reason for the refusal to pay.

EDIT: Thanks to the kindness of a member, the matter has been resolved. It is good to see that there are people who have a sense of justice.

My userID is "drlukacs2" -- everyone can confirm that I have a balance of about 0.0028 BTC with bitparking.

I decided to move away from the pool permanently, and requested the owner to arrange for a final payout to me. I have never heard back from the pool owner.

When and how did you make the request?

I sent a PM on  May 06, 2013, 10:42:08 PM

I sent an email on Sun, 2 Jun 2013 19:17:59 -0300 (ADT)

I was asking for a payout of 0.028, which is about $3, depending on the exchange rate.

I was asking for a manual payout, because I permanently moved away from the pool after it changed from PPS to DGM.

But it doesn't distinguish between manual or automatic payouts.  It says the "minimum withdrawal amount."  It looks like you have a bit more mining to do before you cross that line my friend.

First, I am not sure why are you engaging in ad hominem. This is not professional.

I was asking him to make a manual payout because I was closing my account with him. I did a lot of mining for a while, but when the switchover was happening from PPS to DGM, I left, but there was still some balance that remained unpaid.

I am not asking for changing the rules, but a one-time final payout. Do you believe that the pool should be entitled to keep the money?

(I note that part of the issue is that the pool operator never responded to me.)

Please note that I added detailed information to OP.

The problem with "one time withdrawals" is that anyone can say they are leaving the pool, withdraw all their coins, and then create a new account.  That would be an easy way to bypass the minimum withdrawal amount.  Not saying that is what you're trying to do, but if the pool operators begin doing this type of thing as a favor, don't you think people will catch on pretty quickly?  

Just mine the rest out like everyone else, man.

I really dislike pool operators having these huge minimum withdrawal amounts as well. This is a really nasty way to make money in a partially obscured way (while advertising 0% fees). BTC-e does the same thing and I'll probably refrain from using them in the future after I found out (although I was able to cash out thanks to TECSHARE, so I might do it if TECSHARE continues to run his service).

But in the end it's their site their rules :)

This is the same problem on every pool although it is true that the minimum is 5 times higher on bitparking.  But I have on at least 3 different pools found that I had to go back and do more mining to get the last scraps of my earnings out of their pool after I had decided the pool sucked and wanted to leave it.  Rather than spending much time and effort trying to publicize it you can always just go back and mine there until you can get your payout (and then you could get the rest of your NMC and IXC out too).  You could also ask people to help you reach the payout threshold and mine on your account.  I have seen that happen in the forums for other pools and people have stepped up and done it.

Minimum payouts are necessary. If you want a tiny amount paid without a pool paying a fee, then it may take a very long time to be confirmed. Then you'll still be hassling the pool op for your payout.

I would not. I don't mine Bitcoin anymore (at the moment I don't mine anything), but when I did I ditched all pools and used p2pool for this very reason.

I think 0.005 is huge.

You would not want a tiny amount paid?

See, this depends on your total hashing power. I never mined with more than a single 6850hd. If I were to start mining 0.005 BTC would take a long time to mine and it's my Bitcoins! :P

Yes? I wouldn't mind waiting a long time for it to mature. That was you whole point wasn't it?

Ah, you wouldn't mind. Sorry, I couldn't tell from your comment.

I have read a number of interesting points, about minimum withdrawal, etc.

1. Minimum withdrawals serve the interest of the miner even more than the pool operator, because having small outputs can increase the cost of trying to spend it. The common minimum, however, is 0.01 BTC and not 0.05 BTC.

2. I see no benefit for the miner to get many small payments, so there is no risk of abuse.

3. The problem with high minima is that it forces people to mine if they want to get what they earned, even if they no longer with to mine with that pool.

4. For the transfer of 0.028 BTC there would likely not be a transaction fee. However, if the pool operator wanted me to pay for the transaction fee (if there is any), that is just fair, and I have no problem with that.

5. Part of the issue here is communication. In this case, the pool operator simply ignored inquiries.

This is incorrect. I mined for the pool operator, and he is currently keeping more than the pool fee. I performed a service by lending my computers for mining, and he refuses to pay.

Sorry, I don't normally respond to PM's and your email probably got buried in your previous ones complaining about PPS vs DGM. The order in which I deal with email and bitmessage is usually:

1. People using the pool needing support
2. People I'm processing funds recovery requests for the closed exchange
3. Everyone else.

You're number 3 as you're asking for something that is already covered by pool instructions - the minimum withdrawal fee can be worked around by mining. I need to manage this order otherwise I get drowned in requests by people for "just this one time" to do things like you are asking.

Note that I'm not 'refusing to pay'. The pool states there is a minimum payout. By mining you are agreeing to this and you need to mine to reach that minimum to withdraw. The minimum payout of the pool is 0.05 to reduce the cost in fees from a fragmented pool wallet. You know this of course because you've asked me to manually transfer a balance before.

At some point in the future I plan to implement automatic withdrawals where small amounts like yours can be processed with zero fees and picked up by the pool when it solves a block. Unfortunately until that time any request for a manual withdrawal depends on my free time.

If you have sent an email, I'll process it in due time and can do the manual withdraw then. In the meantime you can either:

1) Wait for it to be actioned
2) Wait for automatic payments to be enabled
3) Mine until you reach 0.05.

Edit: I looked in my email pending queue and see an email from a G Lukacs on June 3 requesting a fund withdrawal but they didn't include an account name. If that's you can you do a followup including that information, thanks.

Thank you, doublec, for writing back.

My address has already been provided when I created the user "drlukacs2"  and so providing another address did not appear to be necessary. However, for greater clarity, please feel free to feel this address:

1GASBhniDWYZ6BSQqxqres28TPxH5ZkHqM

Once I receive the deposit, I will update the present thread to confirm so.

I'm pretty sure he was asking you for the drlukacs2 name.  He says "account name".  I'm also pretty sure he was asking you to follow up with an email and not necessarily in this thread.

At Bitparking, all bitcoin addresses are hard coded. Moreover, due to a previous exchange, my user ID (drlukacs2) was also known to him. Anyway, I followed up with an email as well.

You're a bit hard to deal with...things would go faster if you'd just provide the necessary information, especially since you're asking for something outside of what the pool normally does. Your latest email still doesn't include an account name. I need a simple email from you asking for what you want including the account name so I have an audit trail. Thanks. Instead of complaining about it, how about just doing it, so this can be resolved.

Here is the latest email I sent you:

I'm always amazed at how small an effort people are willing to put towards complying with instructions when they are clearly putting someone out of their way.  It's funny how the last e-mail is simply his account name.  Not even a complete sentence referencing this thread so doublec could have a complete audit trail.  Amidst a sea of support emails, the chances that this email gets lost are great, yet he is satisfied sending a one word email despite all his (unjustified) frustrations to this point.  If it's so important, follow instructions and get your shit together.

Hw long would it take to mine the other 0.025?  I have an old GPU and that wouldn't take me more than 3 days!  I understand that you don't want them keeping your money, but everyone else follows the rules and mines out till they get above 0.05 before quitting.  I don't understand why you think the rules are different for you?

The rules were changed mid-game. This used to be a PPS pool. It was changed to DGM pool.

Ah, I didn't know about that.  But did it change overnight?  There should have been enough time for you to mine yourself out right?

I note that you still have not paid me the outstanding 0.028 BTC.

Note that you're still being a cock jockey. Send a complete fucking email, rather than random one-word emails that have zero fucking context.

Or better yet, grow the fuck up and learn to follow pool rules, instead of expecting the world to accommodate you.

God, based on what I've seen you do in this thread, you are SUCH a bitch. What are you, 12?

I have to side with the pool op. The terms of the pool are absurdly simple, and it's really not hard to find and follow the rules. Posting like this here does not damage the credibility of the pool, as you (OP) are so clearly trying to do.

I am not trying to damage the pool's credibility at all. I respect the pool and its operator.

All I would like to make sure is that I get paid for the mining that I did around the time the rules changed, and I moved away.

I provided both my username and my bitcoin address (the latter is already available to the OP).

All you have to do is actually provide your information is a useful format. You're going out of your way to make things difficult. I think the Pool operator ought to tell you to get lost, and follow the rules, if you want to withdraw your money (finish mining the minimum).

Turbor paid the bill. TX ID 5c3880e5f90e5274009111ed4cb5dd46c4e25412ec650ef486b0c623fb5b5596

Eure Armut kotzt mich an ;D

While that was a very nice gesture it was completely undeserved.  You basically rewarded him for bad behavior.  Still though, nice to see such generosity.

Oh and also I'm owed 5 BTC by some guy who refuses to pay and I deserve it and some junk and what-not.  My address is 1NxGCC1nFdXbHiS38RNQ9NsaXsKCNdjRjy  ;D

He's now mining for deepbit... :D They will make him rich. It's ridiculous to argue about $3 !

Danke schoen