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Why did LitecoinFoundation delete posts from this thread stating that the Litecoin DEV team does not know WHO you are?  Please explain.  Trolling event?

See the scam thread aspect made for answers.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236506.msg2499524#msg2499524
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236518.0

Its not a scam. You never are in the Litecoin IRC chat, are you?

They announced this 2-3 days ago. Try to keep up on things before calling people out.

Chaang-Noi is the person behind the donation. He (or their group) is the wealthiest LTC address out there. They've already discussed why they aren't donating to the foundation, but directly to Warren and Aspect. Again, you'd know this if you joined the chat and asked.

Listen, when I see someone who is PART of the DEV team not know about it that is a reason to disbelieve it.  So calm the fuck down buddy.

Aspect did not respond on irc and honestly might not have a clue.

If he does not want the ltc that is fine. It was expressed to us he had done a significant part of the new client and we fealt it would be unfair to not reward him as well. I will ask the full 2k to be sent to warren.

Also aspect was messaged on this forum about this before his scam thread.

Bythe way i am not the richest in ltc land but the group as a whole hasa good shot.

I am waiting for Warren to wake up.  We are actually quite well organized and keep in constant contact with each-other.  I would phone Warren up right now, just don't want to do that as he has not slept in almost 2 days debugging & testing the client.

None of this has been discussed nor on the private dev channel, nor on the QA channel, nor on our mailing list.  I don't know who posted what on IRC.  If something has been announced, it should have been announced on the Litecoin forums and I am _sure_ this would become a major topic on the dev side.

Furthermore, creation of a foundation has been discussed internally just few weeks ago and it was decided to postpone this.

aspect

We formed in 2012 when there were no active devz but greedi.

At the time the name fit. Now coblee is back and we have warren as an active and skilled dev we might change our name.

We are speculators who formed to help ltc. We are happy to see progress and wanted to hand out the ltc we collected ages ago.

A good shot at what?

Like I said, I will wait for Warren to wake up to make any further statements in relation to this.  All I know right now is that few of us in the development team who is online right now have never heard about any of this.

I just messaged you on IRC.

aspect

I will wait for coblee or warren to get in on this and other threads before having any further discussions in this regard.

In my personal opinion, if you wanted to donate and your intentions were honourable, you should have done just like all other donors and contributors.

Im not at home at warren  is the only dev guy we talked to. We can do what we want and do not answer to the current dev team.

Again we do not answer to you. All you should do is refuse the ltc not claim scam.

The last dev fund we supported was run by greedi and you know where that money went. We are more careful now.

I answer only to Coblee.

I refused the funds and I did not claim this to be a scam. I simply asked to justify your existence as an organization other then a domain name or identify who you are.  I also stated that a new bitcointalk account with 0 posts offering donations and stating in the topic 'LitecoinFoundation.org donates 2000 LTC to wtogami and Aspect for 0.8.2' which is not true (as 'donates' denotes present and past) and that this looked suspicious.

When my response https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236506.msg2499524#msg2499524 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236506.msg2499524#msg2499524) has been instantly deleted from the thread without anyone responding or explaining or discussing, I instantly created a fraud accusation thread.

If your statement states 'XYZ donates' this will be interpreted by community members as donation challenge being reached.  If you then do not do that, it will be damaging to the donation fund.

Next time, do not delete developer responses but post actual responses to it in the thread.

Did you not read the thread?

They clearfied that.

Also you started a thread in the scammers section...

You can answer to coblee but we dont. We were formed at a dark time in ltc history.

So you owning a huge stake of LTC gives you the right to decide to be someone or claim some rights that you shouldn't have ?

seriously who you think you are ? and what are you even arguing about ?  why didn’t you just send the donation like the rest of us ? do you want us to make a song about you donating so you go more viral? what is the whole point of that anyway?

- if you have a good attention just send the LTC to the address in the original thread and that is it, why you even complicate things when there is no need to, except if you have other attention!!  

Wow, would be great so see 2k donated to the fund raising so that the 5k bounty can be triggered. That would be awesome!  :-*

We want to reward positive work. We gave to the last dev fund and it was umm... lost.

We can give to who ever we want it is our money.  Aspect caused the drama. He could have politly declined.

I will tell you again, aspect freaked out, I think it was an overreaction but he has totally the right to do so , the way you stated things was really wrong, now every one is watching, if you have good attention of all this especially now , you just donate the 2K to the Address in the original fund raising thread and let Dev's decide between each-other. you just can add a note that you wish this LTC goes to X and Y, and let X and Y decide whether take it or leave it for the development  .

I honestly thought be knew. I understand he did not and his reaction is reasonable.

Sadly our org took almost a week to agree to give the ltc the way it wanted to.

Also it did so cuz the last lead dev stole the ltc. We want to pay for work done.

What happened to it?

It seems like Litecoin development is heading in a good direction now, so it might be worth considering donating to the main fund?

Yes but warren has stated he might not stay and coblee seems to be too busy. We wanted to give more than 2k.

I wouldn't worry about someone stealing the donation really, let them discuss this between each-other, your 2K could bring the Dev team to reach the goal to claim the 5K LTC reward, and let the Devs decide who deserve what and how much any one deserves, because they only know what every one is doing and how much is every one contributing, it is just not right to decide for whom the donation should go.

I think people should do whatever they want to do. I dont see any problems at all. I was around during the ltc dark times and understand that people thinl twice. I dont see a problem with 2k being sent to devs that people trust. If dev then sends ltc to donation pool or if it is accounted for even though its on another address who cares? If the 5k pledger cares that would however be interesting to know about, but he/she/it is anonymous so I guess well.. Anyway people are free to do whatever they want to do with their ltc. Would be awesome if 5k could be triggered.

We took the word of warren who we trust and he spoke well of aspect.

So we wanted to send ltc to aspect cuz he did the work but we really wanted to support the new warren who lacks stake.

Free market for the win. Does it support secret deals?

So much popcorn time, it's crazy!

Who would have thought giving away ltc would cause so much drama.

Drama so sweet 8)
thanks to it, the fundraising has had more exposure in a couple of hours than the last couple of days.

that would be a pity, would be sad to see Warren leave. Clear communication is key which and he has done tremendously good. I was glad to finaly see a coherent dev team.

keep up the good work dev team ^^

  ;)

Myself remembering the "darker days" of LTC and at one being being thoroughly convinced the gig was up, I think its perfectly reasonable that you guys started this foundation back then and perhaps haven't thought much more about it since then.

If it makes you feel any better you can donate 2000LTC to me and I promise not to touch it for 2 years. :-) Oh and I'll talk all sorts of lovely sweet things about LTC left and right. :-)

Honestly his lack of comitment is why we did this and limit it to only 2k

I think people do what ever they want to do as long as they can do whatever they want to do, no matter what people say what people can and can not do.

My thoughts exactly. Note my pointless comments just to keep the thread alive for bumping the drama (which I unfortunately can not contribute to).

I'll just go on record as saying if anyone wants to send 2000LTC my way, I promise I will graciously accept it.

Who's first  :D

I did not freak out.  I think my response was balanced while questioning the validity of the message and validity of the organization.

I stated that donation fundraising is for the development team and that the development team is not susceptible to dictation of what should be done with the funds.  Any dictation of what and how should be done by the development team will be instantly refused.  If anyone gives donations saying "if you do so and so", can take their funds back.  If someone wants to donate to individuals, they are welcome to do that in private.

I then proceeded to question the validity of someone with 0 posts calling themselves 'Litecoin Foundation'. Especially since we have had ongoing discussions about this internally.  I also stated that:

I then also added a personal note that criticized your approach of stating that 'XYZ donates to warren and aspect'.  The whole post looked designed to me like an entrapment that validates your so called foundation the second we accept the funds from you.

My post was almost instantly deleted by whoever started the thread - the 'foundation'.  You should not have done this.  People who have good intent don't delete other people's messages from threads, instead they engage in discussion.  My original post was not hostile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236506.msg2499524#msg2499524 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236506.msg2499524#msg2499524).  Your deletion of my response was. Hence the alternate threads.

aspect

thanks for the support mate:)

respond to me on irc...

edit: He will not respond on IRC.

You folks want me to respond to this mess, or to push some code that fixes bugs in the new 0.6.x release where we are very close (https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,4488.0.html)?

I think I'll push some code first...

And here us ignorant speculators were tricked into thinking 0.8.2 was right around the corner  ;)

You guys can say what ever you want, I still think my comments are pointless and only serves the purpose of bumping this thread to max the attention a good drama brings.

Joking aside, some drama is actually refreshing read (instead of "new alt coin released"). Especially since all participants in this one are prominent people.

 :-*

+1

Chaang,

We made it pretty clear in the development fund thread, that the LTC received will be used in a responsible way. All the current LTC devs are in constant contact with each other. And we all have to agree to something before the funds are used. And every expense is laid out in the public.

There is no secret deal. We have not made any deals with anyone that would unfairly influence the direction of the project. Each one of us are adamant about this point. The large mysterious donor just wanted to help out our cause and did not want his identity known. Is that a crime? No. Does that mean he has a secret influence on us? No!

It is true that I was preoccupied with RL a year ago and let Litecoin development slip. Greedi took advantage of that and tried to claim himself to be the lead developer of Litecoin. I was not aware of that. Did he ask for donation and did you donate to him? I'm sorry for your lost LTC. But you could have easily done your due diligence before donating. I was still available via PM on bitcointalk. If I had received a PM from you saying that "Greedi is claiming to be the lead developer of Litecoin. Is that true?", I would have come back sooner to clean house. The second I found out Greedi was overstepping, I took cared of it.

If you wanted to donate to help improve Litecoin, then please donate to the development fund that all the LTC devs agreed to use. If you want to donate to a single person, feel free to do that in private. But publicly donating to 2 of the devs seems a bit manipulative. And that's why aspect called you out on it.

https://plus.google.com/104307324656397909502/posts
I pointed you at important news URL's to read, and you repeatedly refused to read it, instead continuing to ask me questions that were answered in public.

0.6.x and 0.8.2 are being developed simultaneously to both have the same rules.  0.8.2 still has bugs and is very experimental.  I discovered an annoying problem in it a few days ago and fixed it.  We don't want surprises with a new official release, so 0.6.x is the next stable release which reduces fees.

I have an appointment soon.  I'll be back later today.

+1

We were just following the advice of warren (and that is why aspect was included in the donation).

I'm going to PM you about other details so they are not public.

Quoting PMs eh? Can I publish my log for transparency?